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biggest driver. >> do you care how quickly you know who the next fed chief is and who it's going to number. >> not really. betting race is all it comes down to for fun. >> talk to you soon. second hour of the "closing bell" begins in a moment. we'll come into "closing bell." scott will join me in a moment. the dow jones industrial average higher than 138 point. back about 15,000, gained nearly 1%. nasdaq with a gin of more than 1%. and s&p 500 with 16.40 with a gain of 1%. we got some news about syria today about whether or not there was some kind of political resolution option on the table regarding syria's ability to hand over chemical weapons, perhaps. that gave the markets an
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additional boost to talk about -- which we'll talk about now. >> yeah, certainly did. joining us now to help break down the day is mark travis from intrepid capital fun, steve grasso will join us, and rick santelli is with us as well. mark, begin with you. nice to see you. >> glad to be here, scott. >> this whole day into perspective and what you're thinking about the market, given everything that's out there, syria, taper, you name it. >> well, i think that the market has decided maybe syria's not going to happen after all. if it is, it will be kind of a pinprick. and the jobs report on friday, let the air out of the -- >> taper bubble? >> yeah. >> taper talk? >> and so, you know, you've got a relief rally at this point that, you know, makes us feel better. i'm not sure we're not just spinning in place, which has been my point of view really since may when rates started to rise. >> so you're cautious now still?
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because an hour ago we had a panel on. they were 100% bullish. >> biggest bull market in our lifetime or our careers or something is what rich bernstein said. >> let's hope so for all of us. >> you don't think so, it sounds like? >> you know, michelle, i think valuation techniques we use at intrepid capital funds to kkr or apollo or blackstone. we've been challenged finding securities that meet our valuation parameters. so, we have a lot of cash at this point. >> rick santelli, interest rates moved how based on this news of syria? >> they didn't move a lot. as a matter of fact, i think the most interesting aspect of today is when you look at it in the context of how we traded after friday's number. we saw a good deal of buying after the number was out, which made sense. it was a weak number. but in the last several hours going into the close, they pushed rates up. they took that yield premium out. who could go home short treasuries? does that sound like a group of guys worried about syria? to me, i don't know if i could
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say as our guest did that syria's just going to be a pinprick, it's going to be gone. unintended consequences can be crazy. i think at this point, it's just not holding the market's attention. as far as interest rates, there may have been one session where it really did pay attention. i think rates continue to look like they're going up. if i took the name off a ten-year chart since may and showed it to any of your guests as a stock, they would say, oh, my god, that's the most bullish looking chart i have ever seen. >> yeah, except it's interest rates. >> yeah, interest rates. what is 2.91, 3% ten-year mean to a guy like you? >> if you do discounted cash flow, terminal value will be lower. i think this low level of rates is not as significant as maybe at a higher rate. i don't think it's insignificant. you know, if you look at the bond indices since may, a lot of them were negative. >> is it factoring into the
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stocks you're buying? you're a well respected investor. a lot of people follow your stock picks. >> again, i think if you look at the less efficient parts of the capital market, it's small cap equity and higher debt. those asset classes have done well this decade. if you look at the rest of 20 00, it's not trading at low values ebdt. you've had this artificial rate suppression that's forced everybody first out into the treasury market, then the corporate market then they sought equities and driven those prices up. you know, i can go through a litany of things that could happen. i tend to agree with roik syria. who knows what's going to happen. for us to think they're going to turn over those chemical weapons, i find that hard to believe. so, if we think back over our investment careers, you know, all sort of things happen. who would have thought of long-term capital blowing up in
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late september of '98? you had three noble prize winners -- >> and it was $5 billion. quaint now in terms of the size of hedge funds. >> yes. let's bring in jeff kleintop as well. what do you mang of today's rallies? is this going to stick? >> five days in a row now that we're up. you have to ask yourself, is this the kick the can september? i'm kicking the can on september seems to be bullish on this market, maybe kicking the can on the debt ceiling, later resolution, that might be bullish. what about the taper? is the fed going to kick the can on the taper? i don't think so. that means we'll see volatility come back here. i don't think we've seen all-time highs yet for the year but i think it will come with some ups and downs and september will live up to its reputation as a bumpy ride. >> what do the guys think of what happened in the market today and what it means going forward? >> just to jeff's point, you had a lot of taper taking a little out of the market.
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then syria monopolizing the headlines. syria, a little relief today. if you look at taper, it's still there. debt ceiling, still there. i think today was a pretty good day to be a seller. that's what i did with a couple of positions. i don't think we can -- you know, 1675, 1685, s&p cash i think is a pretty good level to be selling stock. i think we're due for a little bit of a pullback. >> we went back above the 50-day moving average on the dow today, did we not? >> i don't follow the dow but i don't disagree. the s&p we're above that level. the 100-day is the big level where we bounced. you know, at this point i'd rather be a seller because i think there's a whole bunch still coming down the pipe. >> steve, a guest on last hour he thought what was moving the markets high other were people were back from vacation. sell in may, go away. maybe not a bad idea. they come back, here it is september, now we have some -- i mean, the jobs report wasn't
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great, but you see flow. are there more people back? >> there's a healthy amount of people getting back to their desks saying, wow, i missed a rally and a couple of these things because taper was so consensusly sold off in the marketplace. also syria was as well. so, when people get back to their desks and missed 50 handles to the upside, they want to get back in the marketplace. >> i want to get one stock pick before we go from mark travis. one that jumps out more than any other is pan american silver simply for the fact of obviously what's happened to the metals and how volatile they've been over the last couple of months. >> yeah, scott, i think again looking for a discounted dollar the way we look at it, the things that seem to be popping up for us are asset valuation plays. pan american silver being one of them. the challenge is, as i've said to some of my analysts, i don't think we would wake up tomorrow and decide we're going to mine for silver and gold. what a difficult business. you're mining in mexico, peru, argentina, they steal your mine
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in argentina. again, here's a business whe where -- with $2 billion market cap, $400 million in cash. good margins. i like to say, silver is gold on steroids. >> it's gotten hammered. down 37% year to date. when did you get in? >> we owned a lot at 12. we think it's worth $19. now, when that happens, i can't tell you. if it happened tomorrow, it would be great. >> good to talk to you. >> thanks, guys. good to see you. really appreciate it. the first day of trading for the week is in the books. it was a good one. let's go to dominick with how it all shook out. >> michelle, all three major stock indices finished up on the day. all ten sector groups in the s&p 500 finished in the green. leadership came from cyclical stocks. in other words, companies that get the most benefit from an improving economy. materials led the way, gaining nearly 2%. cliffs natural resources,
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mosaic, they paced gain for materials stock. the best best performing sector was technology. it didn't hurt molex shot up over 30% after privately held coke industries agreed to buy it for $7.2 billion in cash. also yahoo, advanced microdevice, all strong performers as well. the worst performing stocks are those considered more defensive, the ones less sensitive to the ups and downs of the economy. you think naik names like utilities, health care, consumer staple companies. they were positive on the day but each only up half a percent. overall, very strong start in terms of a day, very strong start for the markets this september. back over to. >> you yeah wide breadth. it's been five years but feels longer. a half a decade after the mortgage led to global financial calamity. we'll take a look at the fate and future of the fha. >> and apple looks to polish up
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its product line with a bushel of announcements tomorrow. will the market like what it's going to hear? we'll see if the products and stocks will pop.
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welcome back. mortgage mania helped lead to the great economic downfall of 2008. federal housing administration played a key role in the run-up and in the aftermath to get things back on track. so, what's its role now? a diana olick has that. >> reporter: when private investors pulled out of the subprime mortgage market during the housing crash, the fha stepped in. the government mortgage insurer went from about a 3% market share during the boom to over 25% market share at one point. now, as lawmakers try to figure out how to extract government from fannie mae and freddie mac, some are questioning whether the government should be involved in the mortgage market at all. they point to the fha's very high delinquency rate. it is falling but at the end of june it was 8.22%. seriously delinquent. compare that to 5.88% delinquency rate for all loans. >> it's the one institution that made it through the entire
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crisis without yet having to take any draw and perhaps may ultimately work its way out of this without having been a failed entity. >> reporter: dave stevens, now ceo of the mortgage bankers association, led the fha during the worst of the housing crisis and says there will always be a role for government mortgage insurer pipts the entryway for first-time buyers. >> i think it's going to be very difficult to have availability of capital on a large scale for the low down payment market that is safe and sustainable on a go forward basis without having the government play a role. >> reporter: while the fha has not needed a bailout yet, it still could. as the rest of the mortgage market deals with new regulations, making mortgages more expensive, the fha could, in fact, start to grow yet again. for more, of course, on the blog realtycheck.cnbc.com. >> the financial crisis inquiry
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commission was created in 2009 to investigate the causes and recommend ways to stop it from happening again. >> commissions former chairman phil angelides kepz his fingers on the pulse of the progress of his group's success and he says it will be largely dependent on how who is the next fed chairman. joining ining us exclusively f angeles is mr. angelides. considering the consumer financial protection bureau, dodd/frank, five years later still being written, how would you rate the success of what's being done right now to prevent another crisis? >> i'm not very sanguin. i've been disappointed. if you look at what's happened in wall street, very little if anything has changed. the credit rating agencies are pretty much like though were
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before. compensation practices really haven't changed. the biggest banks are now even bigger so we're at greater risk of too big to fail. across the board, very little change. of course, dodd/frank has been fought at every turn in congress at the regulatory agencies and the courts by the big wall street financial interests. >> does it distress you as equally that fannie and freddie exist in nearly the same form, the fha is still around in the same form? you didn't mention those as being distressful to you. >> i think if you look across a broad band it's striking the extent to which there has not been the deep structural reform we need to protect our financial system and our economy and to make sure our economy can grow again. there's been almost no political, legal or economic consequence for the wrongdoing on wall street. >> so, your concern is that people haven't been arrested? >> well, my concern is there's been no fundamental change.
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compensation practices where people got big bonuses no matter how deals turned out in the long term. those practices are still in place. the dodd/frank regulations, many of them have been stymied by a fierce rear-guard action by the financial industry that spent hundreds of millions on lobby and campaign contributions. the credit rating agencies which performed woefully have not changed. derivatives market -- >> why aren't you as angry about fannie and freddie and the fha? >> first of all, let me say something. they need to be reformed. the truth is, the government had to weight in to stabilize the mortgage market because of the recklessness on wall street. >> you're talking about afterwards. what about the mere existence? >> well, i think some level of federal support for responsible homeownership makes sense. but across the board, i would agree with you, the kind of changes we need in our financial system have been very slow to come about. >> let's steer the conversation,
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if we could towards who's going to be the next fed chairman. know you think that's critical to preventing a crisis in the future. who do you think the best choice would be right now? >> i think janet yellen would be an excellent choice. look, i think we want someone at the fed who will be firm and strong and resolute in their oversight of the big mega banks. that's a primary responsibility of the federal reserve. under alan greenspan the federal reserve failed woefully, helping lead to this crisis. we want someone who will also take seriously the other mandate of the fed, which is to move up employment. five years after the crisis, we still have millions of people who are unemployed and been unemployed for the longest period of time since records were kept after world war ii. we do not want somebody as part of the deregulatory movement -- >> i knew you were -- it's like you and sheila bair share
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talking points. she says larry summers was part of the deregulatory kabol and you're making the similar, if not exact date? >> i have a lot of respect for sheila bair. we're of different parties. the fact is larry summers did stand in the way of deregulation of derivatives, which would have been the sensible, right thing to do partially after capital management blew up. he also shepherded through glass/steagall. one thing in glass/steagall, it lightened the hand of regulation. was actually called fed light. i think we need someone who's not been part of the washington/wall street access. i think janet yellen is an extraordinarily capable person. i join a whole set of people who believe she would be a fresh perspective, a fresh voice at the fed -- >> why do you -- why aren't you equally critical of the fed for having kept money so cheap for so long, which a lot of folks also think happens to be one of the causes of the financial
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crisis? when everyone seeks yield because money is cheap, desperate to cover inflation, this is what happens. and janet yellen would be considered very dovish and likely to continue that same policy path. >> i actually operate in the real economy. while i did public service for more than two decades. i've been in the real economy. i'll tell you, things are very fragile out here. we need policy makers who understand that and are doing what they can to buoy the economy. i don't buy the argument that cheap money needs to lead to a crisis. inexpensive capital can also be a boone to job creation, enterprise development if it's properly applied. if it's used for pure speculation like in the mid-2000s disaster will occur. >> people who are certificates of deposit get desperate. it happens regardless because the money is so cheap. you can't be -- >> let me just say, things are
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very fragile out here. we need a federal reserve chair who understands how fragile the economy is and will do what needs to be done, particularly if congress won't undertake -- >> larry summers doesn't understand that? larry summers doesn't understand that? >> let me just say something. if you asked me, which you did, who my choice is, i think for a variety of reasons, including a fresh perspective, i think janet yellen is fresh and new. i think we need to break from the policies of the past that brought so much pain to this country. >> shis she's been on the board for years now. what makes her new and fresh? >> she comes from -- >> larry summers hasn't been on the board at all. he's new and fresh. >> let me suggest -- michelle let me suggest something to you. go take a look at the interview ms. yellen did with the financial crisis inquiry committee. it showed a real willingness to learn from what happened in the 2000s. i sat in on her interview with larry summers and he had a very hard time acknowledging any kind
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of mistakes, for example, in the decision not to regulate derivatives. again, i think all in, when you look at monetary policy, when you look at strength of regulation, janet yellen would be the best choice. that's just my opinion. >> larry summers has a problem admitting any mistakes at any time, is miening. don kohn foregone, although reporting indicates he might be a leading choice. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> let's go to dominic chu. >> pva, phillip van heusen. they are off their session lows. we should say earnings come in better than analyst estimates. also sales coming in better than analyst estimates. however, it's the guidance that has some invest worries worried. current quarter profits are forecast to come in below where
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analysts thought they would on average. they're also holding their full year forecast for profits just at around $7 per share, around where it was before. pvh coming out and saying they think the consumer environment will remain soft and sales volatility will continue especially in southern europe. those pvh shares taking a little bit on the chin do the downside on this earnings. remember, earnings beat sales beat but it's the forecast that has some investors concerned. we'll keep it on those shares as beprogress in the after-hours session. >> thank you so much. most with -- i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> thanks. most describe the supreme court as the most revered dispensers of justice in the land. >> but they're getting a new unflattering description from a u.s. senator, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren kalg the justices a wholly-owned subsidiary of big business, end quote. neil and buzz:
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12450u . markets got too far a good start this week. for a look at who was tallest and who was smallest, bob pisani joins us. >> syria, number one. stronger asian data in japan as well as schin that, number two. lower bond yields that help certain sectors of our yield. we start largely on the asian data. good numbers, 2%, 3% across the board in asia, on stronger exports from china.
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middle of the day, talk syria might give up control of chemical weapons to international monitors. i think the wind at the back of the markets. take a look at sectors moving throughout the day. asian etfs that trade here in the united states, 2%, 3%, 4%. they're making a big comeback. the eem has been up. steel stocks, and whenever you get asian news strong, china economic news strong, you generally get a follow through on material names. material sector ended at a five-year high today. u.s. stocks notably on the upside. how about interest rate-senses ive stock? we've had a couple days where rates have been moving to the downside, primarily to the disappointing job report on friday. home builders have stabilized recently but this works on the other side as well, michelle. as rates have moved down, the long end, of course, has suffered moving down. we've had a steeper yield curve. in the last couple days that's
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put pressure on the regional banks which you see, didn't end on the upside. iphone 5-c is widely expected to be revealed by apple. here for what to look for tomorrow about any and all apple announcements is john fortt. >> expect two, a high-end 5-s or mid to low 5-c. two things that matter. short term and long term. the high end 5s doesn't get can balanceized and the 5c is affordable enough to eat into android share? apple will get criticized no matter what, if the 5c is priced high, people will say it's not cheap enough to gain share. if it's cheap, they'll say it will destroy margins.
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longer term, the smartphone market has matured enough there's not a lot of growth in hardware and apps anymore. now the growth belongs to the companies that can build the best services on top of their platform. beyond the launch apple's success gets people to pay for annual fees like icloud or itunes. we'll see if voice recognition and maps are truly getting better. back to you. >> thanks so much, john fortt. will apple stock be trading higher or lower this time tomorrow as a result of the announcements? >> i don'ten. max wolf says it's not the event the company's engs kugs that makes or breaks the situation. the leadership is questioned and whether competitors breathe down apple's neck. i need glasses, that's the bottom line. alex, make or break? >> i think there's something of
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a make or break element to it in the sense that i think coming into this android has set a relatively low bar for apple to exceed this go-round. i think that some of the mobile watch offerings have been somewhat clumsy. obviously, there's been some slack in galaxy s-4 demand. the ball is in apple's court to show it can do something with product diversification, responding to the various needs, different price points globally. and i think the stage is set for them to have a good day tomorrow. >> max? they do have to deliver, right? given all the questions about innovation or lack thereof, given the fact that the stocks had a pretty nice move since icahn got into the game, they need to dlieliver, don't they? >> yes. i think the buried lead is ios 7, if it's meaningful better than what he can call kit cat, if it's better than android
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offering and if the new software package, dumping the new flap design dove tails nicely with the hardware, they have a real chance. part of the legacy is these hardware-based events. everyone talking about the 5s and 5c where the future is software because the hardware is commodityized and it's not going to move the needle. >> i think you're right. people are used to device launches. so, a software launch, you can't see it, you can't touch it. you can see all the functionality in a presentation but i think a lot of people will be asking, i can get it in ten different colors, right? >> sure. the case business is huge for that, the extra battery, the way you sort of -- people put jewelry on these things in the most rapidly growing market in northeast asia, south asia, north america. everyone has their way to personalize it. the truth is, can apple still sell the old, outdated technology at a high price, 4s, increasingly the 5, and have a cheaper version of the new one, the 5c.
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that's the $64,000 question. does the new software actually work with the hardware better? does it do more things-o or just look different because it's flat design? i think that's the story. >> just wonder if the story is going to be a similar one to what it's been in the past from a stock standpoint and that's a sell on the news event. you know, the stocks come up. maybe people sell it. the rel real tell we won't get until the first or second week of october when apple comes out with earnings numbers and we find out how many of these new devices they've sold. >> that's right. i think that you have seen a 20% plus move in the stock coming into this, which is on par with some of the best moves it's seen in the past. in those instances, yes, apple did not trade up. it was a sell on the news event. but i do think there is some element of -- or some reason to be optimistic will will be differentiate on on the hardware. there will be lt dance and tdlte for the china market.
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there are things happening in addition to the saft wear that i think they can generate excitement around this event. >> i think china carrier, japan carrier story, the fact that apple used to buy the rumor, sell the fact because all the rumors used to be fawning and pushing shares higher. for the past six months that hasn't been the case. >> you kept using a word i didn't understand, excuse my ignorance, skemorphic? >> in the early days of apps, early days of apple, the notion was all the apps, all the features of the phone would have an electronic symbol that looked like what you were trying to do. the note pad was yellow. flat design is saying everyone's been using a smartphone, most folks have for year, so you know it's a notes program. we don't have to make it look like notes before you did them on your phone. >> okay. >> that's a big johnny ive challenge? >> absolutely. >> thanks, guys.
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senator elizabeth warren taking aim at supreme court, criticizing the court to be too friendly to corporate meeshg mer america. she did not hold back. >> the five conservative justices currently sitting on the united states supreme court are in the ten -- top ten most pro-corporate justices in half a century. the chamber of commerce is now a major player in the supreme court. and its win rate has risen to 70% of all the cases it supports. think about this. you follow this pro-corporate trend to its logical conclusion and sooner or later you'll end up with a supreme court that functions as a wholly-owned subsidiary of big business. >> wow. so, the high court accused of being in the pocket of big business.
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>> to weigh in on that charge, let's bring in former senator kay bailey hutchison who disagrees with senator warren's view and also jared bernstein, former economic adviser. senator hutchison, whether you agree or disagree, you've been in the seat, it seems rather odd for a sitting senator to launch an assault, really what that was, on the supreme court of the united states. >> it really is. it's a new front to take on the supreme court in such a personal way. you can disagree with what the supreme court has ordered, but to say all of a sudden they're bought and paid for by big business is really irresponsible because this is a supreme court that affirmed a good part of obama care. i mean, my goodness, that's not pro-corporate america.
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and people who disagreed in the senate, of which i was certainly one, didn't assail the supreme court. we just said we respectfully disagree with that conclusion, which is the way it's supposed to be, i think, in a respectful way. >> right, jaered, it is rather interesting when you have senator warren calling the supreme court too conservative when you have the chief justice of the united states, john roberts, come down as the deciding vote on what many would consider to be the most liberal of liberal agendas, that being obama care. >> i think it's a great point. and i don't think that the supreme court is bought and paid for. but i do think that senator warren actually has her facts correct. if you look back over the past 65 years, there have been 36 supreme court justices. if you rank them in terms of their pro-business votes, it really is true that five out of
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the top ten on the current court, conservatives in the current court. and in slots number one and two, something like 2,000 decisions we're considering over all that time span, are justices alito and justice roberts. it is true that the win rate for the chamber of commerce has been 70%, if you go back to the rehnquist court it was about 55%. so, she's got her facts correct. >> you say like it's all about nothing. senator hutchison, senator, go ahead, weigh in. >> yeah, let me just say. why do democrats feel they have to make big business the enemy? who do the labor unions think high hire people? who do these democratic senators think will bring our economy back? it's people who hire people. that's business. why do you -- why would you -- >> that's interesting. >> -- make big business the interesting -- >> i can speak to that. senator, i can speak to that. two things -- i want to speak to that.
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first, i want to mention, citizens united, probably one of the boast counterexamples to the health care law. i bet senator hutchison would agree there's already much too much money in politics right now. senator warren has been very clear and much of her rhetoric is saying, i'm a big supporter of business. she says, but remember who helped you get to where you are today. she's not attacking business here. she's worried about the supreme court influencing, for example, class-action suits. the supreme court has made it very tough for consumers to bring those kinds of suits. and i think that probably the senator would agree with me that consumers often need class-action suits to fight back against corporate power when it is abused. >> before the senator answers, come o you listen to the senator make the speech here and she sounds as though she's attacking big business at almost in the same breath as attacking the court as if they're one in the same. that's the point she's making, as if they're one in the same, in the pocket of one another. >> ander to tonality is poisonous. >> i take your point.
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that's not the way i heard it. >> her tonality? come on. >> i heard her very much suggesting it was the court that was giving big business more power thavn they need. i thought that was the target of her comments. but i take your point. >> citizens united, senator hutchison, i always saw that as finally leveling the playing field between unions and everybody else. unions were able to do whatever they wanted and now finally corporate america is on an even playing field and their influence. >> that's true. it's been an unfair and level playing field. the supreme court was saying to put your own money where you want to in politics is a very important right. and it's protected in the constitution. what elizabeth warren and the labor unions said is that they're equating money with freedom of speech. that's not right at all.
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they're trying to equate your money as you will in politics as part of the american political system. >> look, i'm actually very surprised to hear a former senator support citizens united from this perspective because most americans, i think, hearing the sound of my voice would agree, a, there's already way too much money in politics, and citizens united make that worse. >> if you want to remove money from the unions and politics, let's do it. would that be okay? the unions aren't allowed to lobby? >> i agree with both -- in other words, it's not just that corporate power is unleashed with citizens united. it's union power as well. but those scales are weigh out of balance. >> with all due respect, it's not how much money is in politics. it's the transparency issue. what has happened in finance reform in politics, we don't
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have transparency because the parties themselves are been put out of the system. so now we have these -- >> citizens united -- wait. citizens -- >> wait, wait. no, no, this is not a conversation about citizens united or -- >> sure, it is. >> no, it isn't. >> it should be. >> i want to ask you one final question. it's bad form, would you not agree, for a sitting senator to attack the supreme court? you've been in the white house. is the white house cringing at a moment like this when senator warren is going off like that? >> perhaps. i think it's not bad form for the senator to cite facts of the type she did. i'm sorry you don't want to talk about citizens united. it has diminished transparency in campaign finance. it's not made it more transparent. >> i understand but we're not -- >> we all agree we need more transparency. >> we're not trying to have a conversation about campaign finance. >> well, that's -- that's one of the main ways that the supreme court has lifted corporate
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powers influence in elections. i think you've got to understand that. >> we're simply trying to debate senator warren saying, and this is the sentence, you follow this pro corporate trend to a logical solution and you end up with a supreme court as a wholly owned subsidiary. that's the debate we wanted. we'll have the other debate another time. >> you're right. as i said in my initial -- >> we wrael have to go. thank you. >> thank you. >> well, as president obama prepares for tomorrow night's who white house address to the country, syria may be paving a way without military action. the market liked that. for more on that, let's go to john harwood. >> reporter: it's a bit of curveball during the middle of this administration's very heavy-duty selling campaign, that's syria's discussion, along with russia, of turning its chemical weapons stockpiles over to international control. may have started with an offhand
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remark by secretary kerry. but hillary clinton said it's worth checking out. >> we've seen the reports. we want to take a hard look at the proposal. we'll discuss the idea with the russians. of course, we will welcome a decision and action by syria to give up its chemical weapons. >> if the regime immediately surrendered its stockpiles to international control, as was suggested by secretary kerry and the russians, that would be an important step. but this cannot be another excuse for delay or obstruction. >> reporter: now, both democratic and republican foreign policy strategists tell me this could be credible if syria agrees to promptly turn over its supplies, although that could take a long time to
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implement, agrees to subscribe to the chemical weapons convention and has a turn toward some sort of peace conference at geneva the united states and russia have been trying to organize. too early to know if any of that will happen but this will color the debate in the run up to the president's speech to the country. >> john, thanks much. speaking of that speech, tomorrow night, cnbc provides a special report on the president's address to the nation. that starts at 9 p.m. eastern tomorrow evening. the times, they are a changing. few thought they could change like this. the president of the afl-cio said the organization traditionally made of unionized workers needs to open doors to accept nonunion workers. t paid g you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you?
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welcome back. the number of private sector workers that belong to a union has dropped. >> our guest is now a distinguished lecturer. good to have you here. how do you do this? you have non-union members. what do you do for them if you don't have collective bargaining? >> one of the things i think we
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will see here is organizations that have been working with low wage workers, contract employees, freelancers are going to be in discussions with the afo/cio organization to talk about what kinds of things they can do to improve wages. in terms of individual members paying dues, i don't think you will see that for a long time. >> what is this about? is this desperation or something else? it certainly appears to be that. >> i wouldn't use the word desperation but i think it is the engagement of the reality of how the world economy has reorganized. the implications of that, the american trade union movement comes out of the cold war and didn't understand how the world was going to reorganize its economy. they actually did not engage the new very well. i think what you are seeing here is after a number of years where unions and organizations like the domestic and taxy workers, hotel and restaurant workers who
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were outside of the traditional sphere of the trade union movement organized themselves. they are now coming to the table and say we have some power. you have power and experience. we have got some shared resources and an agenda that we want to talk about. >> thanks so much for joining us on this interesting topic. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> find out what you need to know for trading tomorrow.
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