>> give you another stock here in the resourceary teck. i like this one year. >> last day as a 49-year-old. guy. >> buy him a pinto. i like nuance. nuan. >> i'm melissa lee. be >> meantime, "mad money" with jim cramer starts now. my mission is simple, to make you money. i'm here to level the playing field for all investors. there's always a bull market somewhere, and i promise to help you find it. "mad money" starts now. hey, i'm cramer! welcome to "mad money." welcome to camer qaa. other people want to make friend, i'm just trying to make you a little money. my job isn't just to entertain you, but educate you so call me at 800-upon vr 743-cnbc. on a not so hot day for the market, the s&p declined .3%, and the nasdaq dipped 1.4% and
maybe it's time to stop fretting so much about tomorrow's big, bad fed event. i can tell you the ceo of boeing jim mcnerney, is it worried about what the fed might do, and who runs 3m isn't going let it get in his way for mig for growth. the co ceos of whole foods will be riveted to tomorrow's 2:00 p.m. release describing the fed's plans for the economy. they're too busy opening stores and making money for the stake holders. i bet you they'd rather man the register. so, if they're not worrying, why should we? in other words, let me ask you a question. has the fed become our version of "inside baseball?" all of the writers and all of the pundits and the wrogs, are we wringing our hands with the fly rule? are we focused like a laz or the cover two defense or the pick and roll?
rather than thinking about the actual teams themselves i found myself struggling to answer these questions because while there is no doubt in my mind that it matters and it's trading, i keep wondering can the fed's pronouncements impact investing for the long term? for that i am far less certain. consider the action this morning. we got good news, lasting news from four great american companies, goldwell, honeywell, and whole foodses. boeing announced a 50% increase, bringing the yield to a 2.7%, and along with the $10 billion buyback equal to 10% of the float. 3m announced a 35% dividend bond take the yield to 2.6% and a huge boost in the buyback over the next three years. honeywell had confirmed an aggressive forecast that people had feared would be curtailed and instead it's on track to meet it despite government
cutbacks. an increasingly natural and organic segment of the supermarket space, instead, they used our interview which you can see later in the to break news, break news about raising the number of stores from 1,000 to 200 and one that calls into question, whether they're really concerned about cannibalization. these pronouncements did not impact the overall stock market and as we know it did nothing today. why won't the markets are in the throws of fretting. the market, not the stocks. these pronouncements didn't move the needle if you're hanging on every word of ben bernanke, with the futures bids and ten-year treasury. >> buy, buy, buy. >> sell, sell, sell. >> they do impact the fortunes of investors who had the shortfalls in 3m of not long ago and the tales of economic weakness from honeywell and
whole foods. those who believe what happens in 3, m, honeywell aren't what matter. they don't think they can pick out the names in the stock pin of the s&p 500. they contain some not so hot stocks because they firmly believe no one can prediction which stocks will get hot and which ones won't. they think trying to pick stocks is not worth the risk. it's better to accept mediocrity, and an asset class for per that if you do it yourself you could end up in the wrong stocks. even though boeing is up 80% this year. 3m, is rallying 31% and whole foods is with 25%, they would still urge you to not take any chances and even as the basket itself is much more hostage to the whims of the fed than individual well-run, well-managed companies. to me, the analogy as is often the case comes down to sports. these masters of markets would prefer that you back a team that's playing 500 ball, an 8 and 8 team in footballes have us
a team that can make the playoffs and go further. what makes me so confident? what makes me feel that i've been more than just lucky that i've been pushing the stocks since the show began nine years ago, simple. one word. management. let me use the four stocks to talk about ability of management, what i wrote that comes out in two weeks. we know the players better, but we also know the players managed by the right coach can vastly outperformed the players managed by the wrong one. a bill belichick-coached team is better than one of someone who is acknowledged and feared. they each continually win coin tosses and andy reid doesn't turn the 2 and 14 team which are the kansas city chiefs into an 11 and 3 game that has already locked up a playoff position, merely by chance.
all coaches, many all chief executive officers are pretty much created equally and if even if there aren't, there's no way to tell the good from the bad. they like to offset the good and theed about. so be it. inga, curtie, jerome mack and walter rob are the kind of coaches you can get behind, good coaches that can lead their institutions through what happens with the fed or the next day after that and these companies aren't constrained by the word of ben bernanke and janet yellen, for that matter. this is not about picking the stock of whole foods. i am not talking about boeing, per se. i am talking about this because i want you to own stocks you like, believe in and have done the homework on. i want you to participate in the great capitalist wealth creation engine by picking ceos you want to invest who are doing a terrific job of surfing long-term themes. what are the waves you'll be riding? it's fuel efficient because the
cost of air fuel can eat up 50% of the budget which is why you can't get a dream liner to 20/20. take a look at that deck. take a look at the slides they put out today. they had new products like film and they improved the energy-efficient abilities and reduced the composite materials. honeywell, and it's seed planting and producing new products for airplanes and refiners and for whole food? it's the pursuit of good foods that are health, organic in the case of brooklyn by local artisans and mergeants who come together to create a gigantic farmer's market within a supermarket. i don't want to oversimplify the process. we don't have the time or inclination to do the homework. i don't mind you investing in an index fund with a good long-term record. there's nothing you could do, but what i really don't want is
for you to get so overwhelmed by the notion that the fed may or may not taper the bond buying program that you stay away from stocks entirely because you feel it's just time to go home because it's too hard because you can't predict the fed. yept you to be shaken out by the fed either, whether they stop buying or do continue to buy because it's not going to change with companies like boeing, honeywell, 3m and whole foods will do for you over time. the ceos won't let that happen. when you think about how many times you might have sold wholed foods from the bottom in 2008 until now, just because you felt the fed had to take some sort of action. that's quite embarrassing. that's what's happened to so many people. i like all four companies and y i want you to invest in it, but here's the real bottom line, you need to use the fear of the fed meetings and the disappointment about whatever the heck they're going to say as an opportunity to --
>> buy, buy, buy! >> these stocks into any weakness that of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with them or their managements and that's how you make big money owning stocks for the long term. scott in georgia. scott? >> hi, jim. merry christmas boo-yah from atlanta, georgia. >> oh, man, right back at you. what's up? >> we enjoy following your chair theable trust and enjoy what you and your staff do. >> thank you. >> i learned about establishing a position and now with the sec investigation behind it and with the merger closed i expect to see a bump in the stock, but it's down over a dollar since the merger and i was interested in your insight and what's going on. >> i know this is a difficult situation and we talk about every stock constantly because that's part of what action alerts are all about and we were at 5:00 this morning and say someone is leaning online or leaning on linko and there are people who want this stock down. is that a vast conspiracy? there are people that want to
knock it down. i'll take that in the 10% yield and giving it away to charity and i think you should hold onto it, too. the fed, the fed, the fed. what has fearing the fed done for you lately? if the fear versus the sell-off tomorrow, look for the good stocks that are on sale. stop fearing the fed. start doing the homework and buying stocks. coming up, happy new year? the magic of the holiday season continues and cramer's got more stocking stuffers that could present you with an opportunity for 2014. from where you deposit your cash to where you deposit your information online, two of cramer's favorite plays are coming up. and later, natural selection. from new york to naperville, organic grocer whole foods continues to grow and today the company dropped a bombshell. >> we can do maybe 1200 stores in the united states at this point. what does this mean for the
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♪ ♪ with the holiday season now in full gear, i've decided to get into the spirit of things which is why all week i'm giving you a list of my absolute favorite publicly-traded companies to use as stocking stuffers. it's the one thing that keeps on giving. sure there are better presents in the scheme of things and i'm sure some people would rather get an ipad air than shares in a company. it will be obsolete whereas the stock in a company with
top-notch management can make you serious money. it's's great way to start teaching them to manage their money responsibly, a subject they can learn if they grab a copy of my soon to be released "get rich carefully ". with that self-promotion out of the way, let's get down to business. i'm only going recommend my absolute favorite companies as stocking stuffers. which i run with co-manager, cnbc contributor stephanie link which you can follow along. last week i put a couple of industrials in your shopping list. i like them. ge and johnson control, gci. tonight i have two more for you. a tech stock and a bank for those of you that like lowly worm stocks. if you want a company that's a mobile and social, with a stock that happens to be darn cheap, i say look no further than google.
at a time when red hot internet stocks have been absolutely roaring lately, google is the safer more responsible and less expensive way to play the themes of social, which is why we own it for the charitable trust even though google is up 51% on the year, and i think you can put it on fabulous for 2014 as they continue to surge growing at double digit rates. google is the sultan of the internet search business responsible for 60% of all searches around the globe. 60, 6-0, not only do they control half the market, but that 6-0 figure is five times bigger than the next closest competitor and it makes google the king of online advertising. get this, 40% of all online advertising revenue in the united states goes toing gooel. the company is a colossus. not only that, but google has an unparalleled understanding of the consumers thanks in part to the search business, but also through android, its mobile operating system as well as
chrome, its browser and the fact that it owns doubleclick, an online service and not to mention youtube. dominance. all of which explains why google is growing like a weed. they totally knocked it out of the park. google website sales, the search business growing by 23% year over year. a substantial acceleration from the previous quarter and international sales up 32%. i thought they were supposed to be weak over there! goog google's paid clicks, rose by 18% and another terrific acceleration from the 14% growth in the previous quarter. google has a fortress balance sheet. 53.3 net cash. giving them enormous flexibility to make all sort of acquisitions and invest in the robot. going forward i expect the company to post earnings growth in the high teens and not too shabby and thanks to the advertising and yes, the motorola business and perhaps the best thing of all after google is that after all of that, it is still cheap. yes, this $1,070 stock is cheap.
it's growing in the 16% long-term growth rate and i any upon that to be to be too low. compare this to facebook which sells for 48 times next year's earnings estimates and google is much less expensive and even on a growth basis. i see the stock headed to 1,135 in the near future and perhaps higher in the next year and if that scares you, remember my rule of thumb. if you're intimidated by a $1,000 stock multiply it by ten and you may feel more comfortable owning it, and you own a stock going to $9.70. get adjusted and you won't be so nervous about what is an inexpensive stock. suppose you don't want a fast-growing tech stock. how about a play on an industry that's been stagnant for years. one that i expect to have a comeback with a vengeance in 2014. i'm talking about the banks and specifically bank of america,
bac. another bank that the charitable trust started a position. if the fed does decide to taper, stop buying the bonds tomorrow that's a reason to buy the stock, not sell it although i am sure it will get hit. bank of america is one of the biggest banks in the country with leading exposure to everything from consumer, business, large enterprise and the company has a huge large enterprise business that the market will look upon more fond low since the volcker rule is the law of the land and we can put the hand wringing behind us. bank of america is also extremely cheap versus the rest of the cohorts. it's got knowledge inment's restructuring effortses. the growth has been sluggish for some time and thanks to a rebound in commercial construction and the continual recovery in the job market. they've seen real pockets of strength. bank of america posted a 19% year-over-year growth in commercial loads and on top of
that is the net interest income and that's the ditches between the ultra low rates it pays for your deposits and the rising interest rates it charges for loans or that it invests in and that number increased by $100 million. wow! that's -- most banks did not have that kind of increase. management said it would rise in the current quarter, given commercial lending. sure bank of america still has legal issues and i'm not saying those are over, but the company reiched ton of settlements and that means we can go back to evaluating the stock based on what i call normalized earnings stream which is a big reason why i think it can go higher. it trades 1.1 times tangible book value. wells fargo trades at 1.9 times tangible. is wells fargo that much better? i can see the stock heading to $20. a 33% gain from these levels and that's not up in of a stretch,
considering it was 19 1/2, and not even in the midst of the kram rer session. j.p. morgan was at 38. wells fargo, now at 43, and there's a huge amount of catching up for bank of america to do and take it from me, this is a much better bank than when it traded at $19. google and bank of america, ideal stocking stuffers for the holiday season and beyond. let's go to fozzy in colorado. fozzy! >> hey, foz, here, jimmy. i want to give you a big per christmas boo-yah and talk more about yahoo. >> same thing right back at you, foz. >> the ali banna portion will be worth $50 billion. what do you think? >> i think it will be worth double that. i think it will be worth more than $100 million check is why i think people should still own yahoo. yahoo email and -- i don't care. i think that yahoo is worth a
substantial amount more than it is selling for and that's because of the sum of the parters on s.o.t.p. stocks are the gifts that keep on giving. i've given you johnson controls and general electric, and i'm adding to my stock gain, and google and bank of america. stick with cramer. coming up, whole foods opened its latest store in the heart of brooklyn, new york, today and cramer got a sneak peek before the ribbon was cut. find on ut what surprises lie inside and on top of this store in cramer's exclusive. ♪
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you know the natural and organic food theme is one of the strongest stories out there in the entire stock universe, but lately it seems everybody in the grocery business has been jumping on the bandwagon, even walmart and that's got people concerned about the incoming player in the category including best of breed's whole foods. that's a tremendous stock that's been up almost 1,000% over the last five years and people are worried? >> look at the end of september whole food his 347 stores in the united states and another eight in canada and seven in the uk. while it beat wall street's earnings estimates by a penny and same-store sales by 1.8%, still below the company's
guidance as well as the analyst forecast, plus the company shaved down the near-term earnings outlook. the competition could be putting a dent into whole foods sales which is why it's down nine points from its high. as for me, i'm not concerned. whole foods is an incredibly well-run company and doing well than any marketplace, let alone any retailer and these new location are doing incredibly well and it's accelerating those new store openings. just today whole foods opened its long-awaited new store in brooklyn on the banks of the kiwanis canal and i had a chance to check it out with the co-ceos of whole foods. take a look. >> we've got real excitement here, not just because you're opening in brooklyn, but you're upping the number of stores that you think this country can handiel. >> 1,000 goes to 1200. >> the market continues to evolve and america is a different nation than it was
when we got started 30 years ago. >> and this store is probably emblematic of the fact that you're not just opening a supermarket. this is anything but a supermarket. >> it's also a great point because, jim, the ops for us here. we've been in new york for a number of years, but this is an exciting flagship opportunity in brooklyn, but we have opportunities not just in the existing market and there are lots of new market, as well. >> how is this store different from the other stores that you opened? >> it's got more of a green edge to it. we have the absoshg pavers and the solar and the wind and the hundred new local suppliers and a beautiful community feel to it. those are some of the aspects i think that set it apart. >> knife sharpening and all sort of cool things going on here. >> also, on top of the roof we'll have a 20,000 square-foot greenhouse where we'll be producing -- can't get more local than on top of the building and it's going to be a hugely productive greenhouse. >> this is a borough that rem k remarkable e has been underserved. are you part of the resurgence of a city that was kind of a
second to manhattan? >> i think that's for others to say, but we're here to be participants in the community and help out. i think we'll lead to traffic, energy and excitement in the community. >> the brooklyn nets didn't move until after whole foods market had announced the new location. >> that's because we started in the last century. >> will you have a better record? >> this is next to a place where the epa just a few months ago said was one of the nation's most seriously contaminated bodies of water. a problem? >> we won't be getting our fish out of there. >> but -- >> and there is a lot of remediation and we've spent a lot of money to remediate this project. >> i lived here for a part of the week and at one point during the summer the river was green and it smelled bad. what do you do if that happens again? >> i think the authorities are working, investing and putting
resources to continue to improve that, but in the meantime, we're taking our step here to open this store and contribute to stepping up for the community. >> brooklyn is one of the most dynamic of all of the communities in america right now. we're really excited to be here. >> you had no problem coming up with different local merchants who are part of this store. it's like a store within the store and there are enough companies in brooklyn to create this. >> are you kidding me? there are so many companies. just look at the energy and the things that are happening here, it's fantastic. >> one of the things that's happening across the united states is this complete renaissance of local food production. it didn't exist 30 years ago. we had a mass market. now we've got all of these artisan producers of food. it's very exciting. they're quality people producing quality products. >> brooklyn is the home of youth trade which is this group of entrepreneurs, 20, 25 years old and there are 10 or 11 companies that started in brooklyn to produce product and create
companies and a lot of those are trade partners for us, as well. >> how important are those giveback days to get the community behind you. >> it's about establishing partnership with a number of people in the community and it's uniquely whole foods. every quarter we do 5% and the team members here in the store select the organization. john and i don't select it. >> we're part of the community. we should be good citizens in every community that we trade in. we think that's the right thing to do. >> do you think that this store can be a generator of jobs that can move the needle in brooklyn? not just within here, but in this area which had been a warehouse district with not a lot going on? >> we created about 450 jobs. over two-thirds of them here from brooklyn residents. >> one of the things that happens over time when whole foods comes into a marketplace like this. and ten years from now, you're going see, this will be a very different area and it will
continue to gentrify. other persons will come in and you'll see housing developments and you'll look back and say, wow! things shifted when whole foods opened up. that's what's going to happen here. i think you will bring a certain spirit and you walk in the store and you can feel the culture and you heard the rally meeting this morning and i think we'll bring that strength of culture and spirit to the community, as well. >> what is the prevailing wage here? there is a lot of talk. we're seeing fast food companies under attack because they don't pay people enough. some of the large chains, we recognize they have labor issues and what is the package if i come to work here? >> the starting wage is $10 plus, but the average wage is somewhere around $17 or $18 all in including their four-week gain sharing check. we're more than competitive. we've been doing that for a number of years and we believe in team member excellence. >> we pay significantly above the minimum wauj because we want
to have quality team members and they work hard and have high productivity and we can afford to pay better. >> and the benefit, and whole foods has been a leader. >> say i'm a businessman and on a conference call and an analyst on the conference call, and i'm saying if they didn't do this stuff, and the giveback and they didn't pay the 17 and they paid the 10, how much more lucrative they would be. did that make any sense at all? >> not really. that has the mindset that the stakeholders in the organization are competing with each other. so if one gets more, the other one gets less and what we discovered is is that they're all interdependent on one another. if we pay better are and we have a higher quality workforce that gives better service that helps our sales be higher -- higher sales results in higher profits. one thing you can't question is whole foods market had a very successful business formula, so i would say our strategy is working and the proof is let's look at the stock.
>> i have to imagine with your package, you don't have to train many people. our vol unary turnover would be 10%. when when you're looking at companies and we talked about this before is when you invest in your team members the customer experience is better and the loyalty that you create with the team members is valuable that results in lower turnover. >> this is part of who we are. >> we are all in this together. we have this philosophy of shared fate. we need our team members to flourish. as they flourish the business flourishes. it's not a win-lose mentality and it's a win-win-win business strategy. ? you stay right there. we'll be back with the co-ceos of whole foods in just a moment. coming up -- >> you also have a trial with google. is that something that if you go somewhere we'll be hearing about next year? >> are things about to get interesting from whole foods? cramer has more from the grand opening from its brooklyn
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brooklyn in new york city and there are more than 2 million people there and it's the first whole foods. it is all about expanding to new locations and the company broke the news here that it will now expand to 1,200 stores in the u.s., trumping the old 1,000 store plan and it is also about something more important, our health. so take a look at the rest of my interview with whole foods co-ceos, rob macky and walter rob. >> customers know more about food, where it dollars, what's in it and the connection between diet and health. this store seems to be an homage to that whole conversation that you started. >> yeah. well, i mean, look at the situation in the united states right now. 69% of americans are overweight. 36% are obese. it's primarily because of the terrible diets that people eat and yet there's a counter revolution towards healthier living and healthier lifestyle and healthier diets and the whole foods market has partly been successful because of that trend and we're partly leading
that trend. >> if you look at the big picture of the $3 trillion and 80% of that is lifestyle related it looks like a headwind's on the economy if we can get that thing turned around. not only would we have more growth, but we would have more personal vitality and energy. >> a big part of the health care crisis is the fact that we aren't taking good care of ourselves and if we did, i mean, i spend almost nothing on health care and i'm almost 60 years old. why? because i have a very healthy lifestyle and eat a very healthy diet. i don't get sick and haven't been sick in years. >> whether they shop with us or somewhere else, the fresh fruits and vegetables and fresh, healthy lifestyle is a great opportunity. >> let's talk about others. today you announced on the show that you're going to go to 1200, not the long-thought-about target of 1,000. you're opening more stores more quickly than you ever have and the same thing in the last conference call, you talked about cannibalization and competition. i'm trying to juxtapose this,
too, it seems like you should be opening fewer stores because of the competition. >> it's a good thing because it's a sign the whole market opportunity continues to grow and it validates why you think you can grow to a large number of stores. >> coring, walmart, safeway, fresh market. >> yes, but nothing exactly like whole foods which is not to say they're not great competitors. they don't have our quality standards and they don't show up in the marketplace exactly and they don't have our team member culture. this is the difference of whole foods. >> the whole foods market is tremendously successful so we have more people trying to copy us. that's the dynamic of capitalism. we don't have patents on what we're doing so people are copying us that means we have to evolve quicker. this store is an example of that evolution. >> we like the challenge. we relish the challenge and it makes us better and we'll have evolve faster and innovate faster. >> we can't sit still. if you sit still in a dynamic market like food retailing you'll get passed up, so we have
to evolve quicker and create more value for our customers. we know we have to get our prices down while creating more differentiation and if we do that we'll continue to be very successful. >> in this store, do you have the strategic price match that you talk about? >> absolutely. that happened in the q3 and we're moving forward from there. >> okay. the last conference call also mentioned the "c" word, cannibalization and everyone freaked out. that's just something that starts in the first year. when you look at the second it goes away. is that still the case? >> well, in this case we were talking about cannibalization specifically to certain markets like boston, where we made an acquisition. >> nine stores in one month. that's a lot. there's been cannibalization in that market. but in the anniversary, we'll probably show double digit comps as well as the new stores that we integrated. so you'll have a sling shot effect and you will actually see that reverse, but in the short
term it does impact company comps to a certain event. >> you have a buyback going on, and longer term, things will be fine. is this an opportunity for the store and the company to bring if stock while others are doing a woe is me about the attitude? >> you're talking about stock buyback? >> we just upped the authority, and i think we got .75 of a billion and we've been sort of displainciplined about it and we extra authority. >> we're returning some of the cash flow to the shareholders through dividends. we've upped our dividend 20% just recently and we'll continue to do stock buybacks and we'll probably increase that as well as we're growing faster so the best way to return the money to the shareholders is to grow more rapidly and then open more stores because then you can compound your earnings better. >> where are we in the country? in the conference call, i always think about whole foods and i don't worry about the economy, but you brought up the macro weakness. is that something that you think is going to last a long time?
are we a changed country or is that cyclical? >> i think the opportunity for whole foods to grow and the healthy food space continues to be larger than any sort of economic headwind. it's a bit of an uncertain time with these factors and we're concentrating about how do we charge ahead. you know amazon is trying to build -- but you also have a trial with google and is that something that we'll be hearing about next year? >> we hope so. we have experiments in delivery which is going very well in the early stages and you'll have more about that. >> a delivery map and i happen to be in the blue zone so i'll have no problem getting two hours. >> particularly we'll get you and your food. >> we've been delivering in new york since we opened here a number of years ago, but and so -- >> what's the state of capitalism in the country? there are a lot of people who feel capitalism isn't the job
generator because we have such a high number of unemployment in this country. is capitalism working? >> capitalism works when you do capitalism. of course, what we do in the united states is we're moving away from capitalism. consider the fact that in the year 2000, the united states ranked number three in the world in economic freedom behind hong kong and singapore. last year we'd fallen to number 18. we are getting less economic freedom and as the economic freedom declines so does the robustness of the economy. so does our gdp percentage. so in a sense, we are less capitalistic today than we were 13 or 14 years ago. but if we look at whole foods whose stock was at seven, if you invest in people. you invest in stock. that seems counterintuitive that we're down to 18. >> we're coming off the financial crisis and we were trading at two times the cash
flow in 2008. so part of this is just a rebound to normal conditions. >> i think it's this new envisioning of capitalism and using the principles of john's book which by the way, sold over 100,000 copies of his book and you ought to pick one up, it's this idea of the broaden sense of responsibility to your team members and your communities that you serve. to all of your stakeholders, and i think taking that sort of a long view, broader approach is a very healthy way. >> capitalism needs to be rethought. people don't trust business. business is seen as selfish, greedy and exploitative which in fact, business is the greatest value creator in the world, but we don't tell that story. business is always on the defensive and always be attacked. >> we weren't on the defensive here, and i want to thank you very much for changing the conversation. thank you, john mackey, co-founder and re-ceo and walter rob, co-ceo of whole foods. stay with cramer. ♪ i wanna spread a little love this year ♪
-- and then the lightning round is over. are you ready, skee-daddy? it's time for the lightning round on cramer's "mad money." i want to start with rod in ohio. rod! >> hi. how are you? >> i have my portfolio and i'm looking at a company called valero. ? valero makes a lot of sense and the glut in oil driving down the companies is good for valero, the nation's best refiner. jude in new jersey. jude? >> hi, jim, how are you? >> real good. how about you, partner? >> real good. looking forward to the holidays. i have a question for you. what do you think of hawaiian electric? >> it's one of the utilities i like. honolulu feels the growth is being choked. i disagree, i'll take the 5% yield and wait for the great island to come back. i say mahalo. jerry in arizona. jerry! >> mr. cramer with the recent slide in viva system, and i know it's one of your fife rates. what is your feeling at this
point now? >> the blogs are down on it, and i think it's a great sales force.com platform stock. this is a company that has done some absolutely great customer relations management with pharmaceuticals and many data confirms, and i say buy, buy, buy. i'm not done. i'm going pete in new york. pete! >> boo-yah, jim, from huntington new york calling about emerson electric. >> emerson electric is one of my absolute favorites and it's a plus.com name that is big in china, and i think it's going to have a dynamite 2014. let's go to vernel in north carolina. vernel! >> good afternoon, jim. thank you for taking my call. >> of course! >> from laidback carolina beach, north carolina. i've been a fan of yours for a long time. >> thank you. >> my question to you is a good stock with dividends that i own is ge.
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? or is it the real deal? that's what people are buzzing about the kimberly-clark, and the general mills and cloroxes. with dividends yielding 3% and price to earnings multiples that are roughly seven times that. they're buzzing because these stocks are slowly, but surely headed lower. just one of these as opposed to -- but one of these none the these. the so-called safety plays have been going up for bad times, because unlike cyclical company, they keep chugging and then they continue to go higher when the economy improves because the fed still kept interest rates down so low that their juicy 3% yields looked bound ifl and they couldn't get much yield from bonds and were crying about it. plus, consumer staple name, they don't sit still. they boost dividends. they buy back into other stocks. "hal lieu why."
they try to innovate and take aisle space. they're aggressive and they restruck are like mad. the health care segment of kimberly-clark. right now people who own these stocks are in a world of pain. >> the house of pain! >> is that the kind of pain that comes with a big, fast decline that can quickly inspire a bounce? nope. it is chinese water torture. a slow and steady drip down. the 43-cent trip where you have to decide whether you should cut and run and get back in at lower levels or whether you should simply endure the pain because it does seem like it's 43 cents here, 29 cents down, ten cents up. this is not an easy decision. in 1987 when i started the hedge fund i was very concerned about losing money and even more than i was concerned about making it. that's how scared i was, and the japanese at that moment were, and the stock market was about
to exceed the value of ours and we were all trying to own companies that couldn't be knock offed by the japanese or chinese for that matter. i figured no one ever got a buy in hooirns. hey, come on, there will not be chinese ketchup on the table and they caught a rotation out of the soft goods company like heinz and the alcoas and the u.s. steels because the economy seemed to be accelerating and nobody wanted that consistency of earnings and they wanted year over year gains of great magnitude. it seeks out the greatest growth at this particular moment. please remember that. next thing you know, heinz is down 9%. it wasn't the heinz fund, but heinz was emblematic of the portfolio's exposh you are and these stocks, as you know from airline diversified they all tend to trade in lockstep one with another given that the fund had a down 10% clause, the partners had a right to get the money back immediately. i sold the heinz and all of the rest of these names and cleared my head and started over. i never underperformed like that again.
it was the right move for a hedge fund because not only was i able to reconfigure, but those stocks didn't come back into a positive play until the crash of '87 when people felt we were headed for a recession. it was a valuable lesson. these stocks are simply terrible. they're terrible trade when the economy heats up, but are they terrible investments? a-ha. important distinction. and i think the answer is these kinds of stocks are good investment, but only if you think long term and that's why this is such a torchious moment. my charitable trust owns stocks like heinz and we did no more than trim, because we don't want to give up on solid stocks even as we recognize the pain we could have on the rotation horizon. my trust can't flip. we aren't that nimble. if you own these stocks, you must accept it and there's more drip ahead and the economy's better, and you can belt and bet that you can get back in lower tomorrow morning, you sell. i would say stay the course.
i wouldn't take that tomorrow morning's sell strategy. you're not a hedge fund and you don't have a down 10% clause, but if you can't take the pain of this water torture, then by all means sell some of the staples and move on because history says they may not turn around any time soon. stick with cramer. [ male announcer ] the new new york is open.
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