tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 19, 2011 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
good evening. we begin with breaking news in the sex scandal that's drawn worldwide attention. dominique strauss-kahn, the former head of the international monetary fund, accused of sexually assaulting a hotel maid, will be out of jail in a few hours. he was granted bail this afternoon, but taken back to new york city's rikers island jail tonight. and expected to be released tomorrow. he was in a courtroom today as the terms of his bail were revealed. and they are stiff. he must put up $1 million in cash and post bond of $5 million, he had to surrender his travel documents, which his lawyer said he had already done. and he has to agree to home detention here in manhattan.
he lives in washington. his lawyer argues he's not a flight risk. even though he was arrested on a flight about to leave for paris, the lawyer said it was a prescheduled flight, not a last-minute booking to try to escape the law. >> it's undisputed that the police knew his whereabouts is because he called the hotel, which is the scene of this incident, from jfk airport, to inquire if the hotel had located his cell phone or the hotel advised it had and asked him his whereabouts, which he promptly told them. indeed, he called the hotel a second time, called security a second time to advise that the plane was boarding and to urge the hotel delivery people to please promptly bring his cell phone. >> before the hearing got under way, he was indicted on several charges, including attempt to commit rape. he's accused of attacking a maid on saturday. the prosecutor opposed bail,
arguing that the evidence against dominique strauss-kahn is strong. >> the complainant in this case has offered a compelling and unwavering story about what occurred in the defendant's room. she made immediate outcries to multiple witnesses, both to hotel staff and to police. and the quick response by the hotel staff and law enforcement did help apprehend the defendant before his flight to france took off. >> late last night, dominique strauss-kahn resigned his post at the imf and in a letter to his executive board, he denied all allegations against him. cnn's deb fairic is here with more. the bail ruling, what does it stipulate? >> it's interesting. basically under the terms of bail, his wife has remitted an apartment and they're going to stay there together. he's going to be on home detention, monitored by a private company. he will be picking up the costs. it is $200,000 a month, that's
what he's going to be paying. he's going to have to wear an electronic bracelet. one armed security with him at all times. if he goes out to meet with lawyers, go to religious ceremonies, something like that, the armed guard will accompany him. he's not going to be wandering all over new york city. and he will have to check in with the court. the court will make sure he's calling from a particular land line inside the apartment. unclear whether he'll have to check in one, two, three times a day. but usually it's a set time. >> what is the indictment, what have we learned about the alleged crime? >> the indictment puts to rest some of the more salacious pieces of information that appeared originally in the complaint. the complaint had a host of information to support the charges as they had been laid out. the complaint alleged all manners of sex. the indictment charges dominique strauss-kahn with forcing the housekeeper to perform a sex act on him and it also accuses him of allegedly attempting to have sexual intercourse.
the lawyers have said he will plead not guilty. two things to note. that is the district attorney in announcing the indictment, he made a very interesting distinction. he said, under american law, these are serious charges, pointing out american law. he also said that these were nonconsensual forced sex acts, referring to the fact that his lawyers suggested the evidence will not show this was a forced encounter. also, what was interesting in announcing the indictment, it was done in three languages. it was released in spanish, english and in french. >> because of worldwide interest in this case. i want to bring in jeffrey toobin and noted defense attorney mark geragos, as well. mark, what do you make of the case against this man? how would you try to go about defending him? >> well, i think you just have to wait first, and i'm sure ben is going to wait first and find out what the evidence is. he needs to see what -- ben is the, i assume, the lead lawyer here.
he's going to wait and see what they have before he decides how to approach this. he's not going to jump to any conclusions on this idea that the prosecutor announced that it was not consensual and it's a serious crime. you know, it seems like they're already in a position where they're doing pushback. i don't know why. if they have such a strong case, i don't know why they're so defensive. i would expect that ben will be circumspect until he sees everything the prosecutor has before he reveals anything. >> the defense though, mark, has tried to kind of get out the details that this flight was prearranged, that the notion that he suddenly booked this flight and went to the airport is not accurate. >> well, they have to do that, because of the bail hearing and what the grounds are for granting the bail. whether he's a flight risk. the prosecution tried to paint a portrait that this was somebody grabbing the first plane to france.
they invoked the two words that every french defendant fears most, roman polanski, and then argued this person is never coming back because he'll never be able to be extradited. all they've got to do then, and what i assume happened here, is show that it was booked, that it was booked prior to this incident, and that he was the one, as mr. taylor was saying just then, he had called twice. he was the one who alerted to where he was, he was at jfk. if this was somebody trying to flee, he's not going to call for his cell phone. he would have got on the flight and he would be gone and they never would have seen him again. i think you do have to push back when you're talking about somebody's liberty. the idea that it was no bail for a couple of days is ludicrous, because this is not a murder case, this is not a no-bail case. this is a case where he should have received bail and did receive bail today. >> jeff, last night on the program you predicted he would receive bail and resign from the imf, both of which have happened. you say you think he got lucky
with this bail. >> this was a close, close question. there are judges in that courthouse who definitely would have denied him bail. start with the fact that he's not an american citizen. most american citizens, most non-american citizens who are arrested in the united states do not get out on bail. particularly those charged with serious felonies. he's very fortunate that he has the resources to put together a package with home detention. how many people in the world can afford $200,000 a month for electronic and individual monitoring? he's very lucky. and consider how long it's going to be until trial, two months, three months, maybe even longer. all those months he would have spent in randall's island. instead he's going to be with his wife, eating the food he wants, seeing the people he wants, in ran apartment in manhattan. it makes a huge difference in his life. >> mark, when you're representing a client like this, how time consuming does this become for the client? last night jeff was talking about he needs to dedicate a lot of time focusing on this case moving forward.
is that what you found with clients? >> in this case, given the stakes here, there's no question. he's going to spend 24-7 on this case. there's no way that he would have been able to retain his position, even if released on bail. so this is something where he's going to have to dedicate his life to getting out of this. for all intents and purposes, he's facing a tantmount to a life sentence here. he needs to defend this case and meet with his lawyers and do everything possible. this is going to be an all consuming case for both him and frankly for the lawyers. >> what do we know about his visitors? >> it's interesting, the prosecution was arguing he should only be allowed one visitor aside from immediate family, but the defense lawyer said no, he has a lot of friends that want to see him.
one interesting thing, anderson, watching him in court, he seemed much more relaxed when he saw his wife, he smiled and blew her a kiss. he was much more pulled together than he had been when we saw him earlier in the week. he had shaved, he was wearing a blazer. there does seem to be a little change in the dynamics. you have to keep in mind who this guy is and who he is used to hanging out with. this is the guy who is credited with saving greece and portugal and ireland. so he knows diplomacy and negotiations and it seemed to me, and jeff, you can correct me, he seemed to have a better feel for what was ahead, what was to come, and comfort being surrounded with the people he had. >> the first 48 hours have to be like being hit with a truck. >> it helps to be a public figure. i remember watching o.j. simpson in the courtroom. he was a public figure. he had presence, he knew what it was like to be looked at. i think dominique strauss-kahn is going to have a similar presence in the courtroom. if the dna evidence incriminates him, none of that stuff matters, but it helps.
and if i can add one thing. i said randall's island. that's soccer fields. it's rikers island. >> i played on randall's island when i was a kid. there's a lot of glass on there. >> it's been fixed now. >> mark, do you agree with jeff that it helps to be a public figure in terms of knowing how to present yourself in court? >> it certainly doesn't hurt. this is somebody that has been in situations where he knows how to handle himself and that beats the heck out of somebody who doesn't. and the fact that he has a high profile job and by some accounts probably one of the most high profile jobs in the world, certainly is not going to hurt him. at the same time, the things that do hurt him is that you're going to have prosecutors and judges who are going to, with all of the media attention, try to make sure that he never seems like he's getting a break, so to speak.
i don't think that anybody else is going to have the amount of attention that he has paid to their case in new york at this time. so it's a double edge sword, if you will. >> certainly for the alleged victim coming forward, you know, this is a woman whose life is going to be changed and if she has to confront him in court, that will obviously be incredibly overwhelming. >> the trial, if there is a trial, will be incredibly stressful for her. there's one big decision the defense has to make, they really only have two choices. is the defense consent, or is the defense, i wasn't there at the time? you can't argue both. that's why they have to just sort of see what the evidence is, talk to their client and we'll see where it goes. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you very much. mark geragos, great to have you on the program. thank you. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. i'll try to be tweeting some tonight. we have a lot ahead.
up next, we're going to tell you about criminal charges against a homegrown advocate for terror. a muslim extremist here in new york who has been trying to convert people on the streets. we profiled this group many times. there's been an arrest for threats made against the creators of "south park." >> we're commanded to terrorize the disbelievers. and this is a religion -- >> you're commanded to terrorize the disbelievers? >> the koran says clearly in the arabic language, terrorize them. it's a command from allah. >> so you're commanded -- >> to terrorize them. and sarah palin says leave newt gingrich alone. she slams the media for playing gotcha. for asking him about changing medicare and dipgs him for not being ready for it. and his explanations and denials are, well, you can judge for yourself. we'll tell you what he's saying today and how it differs from
what he said on tuesday and then on monday and on sunday. keeping them honest, we'll talk to paul begala and rich gallen also tonight. [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible.
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muslim. we've been following them here on "360" for the past few years. they try to recruit new followers on the streets of new york and online. well, now a man named jessie curtis morton, who we've interviewed in the past, has been charged with threatening the writers of the comedy series "south park." he seemed to believe they insulted the prove prophet muhammad. they portrayed the prove et wearing a bear suit. this is a shot what angered members of the group. in an interview he gave to drew griffin, he was quoted in the affidavit. here's part of drew's original report. >> reporter: you're commanded to terrorize individuals? >> the koran says clearly in the arabic language, terrorize them. it's a command from allah. >> reporter: so you're commanded
>> to terrorize them. >> reporter: to terrorize anybody? >> you define terrorism as killing an insent civilian. i define terrorism as making them fearful, so that they think twice before they go rape your mother or kill your brother or go on your land and steal your resources. the koran commands that you disavoi and make hey threat and enmity with democracy, between nationalism, between secularism, and that you see obama as the enemy he really is. that you see the united states as the enemy it really is. >> reporter: they may seem crazy to you, but you are not their target audience. the fbi has assigned agents to watch them, to monitor their website, and perhaps more importantly, watch those who are viewing and listening. >> drew griffin joins us with more now. what is the fbi asserting here? >> the fbi is asserting that this man actually posted threats on the website that we've been
covering, revolution muslim, threatening the creators of "south park." and according to the affidavit, the fbi is basing this not just on the postings, but intercepted e-mails and communications that show intent, that is what the fbi is saying, the intent to cause harm to the creators of "south park." >> when you interviewed this guy, he seemed to go right up to the line of protection under the first amendment. he was very careful not to cross it. >> almost in an acute way, hiding behind the first amendment. he thought that he had that first amendment protection. the fbi told us at the time that he was indeed going right up to the line and not crossing it. what we didn't know, anderson, was the fbi was also monitoring his communications with other people involved in that website. and they have now brought charges against this man, saying that indeed these were threats made and this is in connection with another case of a guy who is already serving time. >> but this guy muhammad hasn't been arrested. do we know where he is? >> the last i communicated with
him was in morocco. that was a couple of months ago. we still believe, through our law enforcement sources, that he is in morocco. if he is in morocco, he's somewhat protected because we don't have any extradition treaty with that government at the moment. >> the guy that muhammad collaborated with, zachary chester, he's already been sense tented to 25 years in the case -- 25 years in a different case? >> it's resulting in the same case, it involved threats in the "south park" case but also included materially supporting a terrorist group in somalia. zachary chester is serving 25 years. his postings a little more radical and a little more direct. he even sent out guidelines on how to capture, beat and terrorize suspects or people. a little more explicit. this is a little more nuanced case. it's going to be interesting to watch how this is prosecuted.
the fbi believe that these were threats made in violation of u.s. code, which says you can't do this using interstate commerce, namely through a website. >> i want to remind viewers of what we're talking about. this was a "south park" episode, and "south park" has poked fun at everybody, every group. in this episode they were poking fun at jesus, at buddha, if memory serves me correct. i think we have a clip of part of this episode. >> you've done the town a huge favor, muhammad. >> hold on a second, stop. there's some extremists threatening if we give muhammad to the celebrities, they're going to bomb us. >> what? >> it's just a stupid threat. come on, we don't want to piss off tom cruise again. >> the whole idea, from what i remember, showing the bear costume is because he's the only religious figure who you can't
show on television because you don't want to upset groups, that's why he was in the bear costume. how dangerous do authorities think the group that this guy was associated with has been? >> we can tell you from our own research that this site, revolution muslim, and it's now a site that continues to be run, we believe from morocco, has attracted a lot of homegrown terrorists. in the past two years, there have been about 30 cases of homegrown terrorism, acts trying to be carried out or plots being made. we believe 25%, 30% of the terror suspects in this country have somehow been linked to this site. it has been a problem for the fbi and they believe that this one site in particular has led to a lot of radicalization here in the u.s. >> interesting stuff. drew griffin, thanks for the reporting. we'll continue to follow it. drew has been following this story for a long time, this group.
coming up next, sarah palin taking a shot at, get this, what a surprise, the lame stream media for playing gotcha with newt gingrich, whose presidential campaign has run intro trouble over the last couple of days. you can decide for yourself if the media is targeting newt or if newt is targeting newt in this particular instance and whether this question that he was asked really was a gotcha question at all. another blockbuster from arnold schwarzenegger. this time the shocker is all about his movie career. we'll be right back. she felt lost...
keeping them honest tonight, you would like politicians to stand by their words, even if that's what they truly believe when they say those words. or if they no longer do because they misspoke or gave offense or somehow got it wrong, you would hope they would apologize and take responsibility. tonight, newt gingrich seems to be doing a little bit of both and a bit of neither simultaneously after what he said touched off a firestorm in his own party. try to stay with me here. he's now saying that he really wasn't saying what everyone thought he was saying and he wasn't talking about who he clearly was talking about. yet he even he knew he was talking about this guy. he apologized personally to him, but now he's saying, well, it's hard to know what he's saying right now. in addition to that mind bending new twist, sarah palin is getting into the act and it's still only thursday. just four days since gingrich went on "meet the press" and expressed his reasonable political disagreement with paul ryan's plan to privatize medicare. >> i don't think right wing social engineering is any more desirable than left wing social engineering. i don't think imposing radical
change from the right or left is a very good way for a free society to operate. >> that was sunday on "meet the press." when fellow republicans heard that, a lot of them went ballistic. by monday, paul ryan was saying, wth can allies like that, who needs the left?" by tuesday, gingrich called paul ryan to apologize. but he was blaming, of course, the media. >> look, i made two mistakes. first of all, if you listen to the question david gregory asked me, i should have said i'm not going to answer it. it's a hypothetical baloney question that had no hope of happening. the second was some of the words i used. but i was trying to say something that's really important. we are at the beginning of a process of solving the entitlement problems in the united states. these are enormous challenges. i believe deeply that the american people have to be an integral part of it. i think what paul ryan has done is he's started that process. >> that was gingrich on fox where their team of political pundits has been declaring his campaign dead all day.
two things to keep in mind, mentioning paul ryan by name and calling the medicare question hypothetical baloney. he was a victim of gotcha journalism. first, though, sarah palin who clearly thinks it was. >> there's got to be the preparation on all the candidate's part for the gotchas. that's what the lame stream media is known for is the trip up questions and you have to be prepared for it and overcome it. >> sarah palin on fox blaming the media for serving up a gotcha and painting newt as a naive new-be who's never been on the tv. >> welcome back. this is your 35th appearance on the program. >> wow, 35 times dating back to the reagan era. as for the gotcha question, you decide. here's the question. >> entitlements, the medicare trust fund and stories that have come out over the weekend is it's going to be depleted by 2024, five years earlier than
predicted. do you think the republicans ought to buck the public opposition and move forward to change medicare? turn it into a voucher program where you give seniors some premium support so they can buy private insurance? >> i don't think right wing social engineering is any more desirable than left wing social engineering. >> so is asking about one of the central issues of the campaign baloney? is it hypothetical? take a look. >> on this vote, the yays are 235 and the nays are 193. the concurrent resolution is agreed to. >> that's a real gavel, real vote in the nonhypothetical congress on the real gop budget containing the paul ryan plan to privatize medicare. gingrich said because the senate won't pass it and the president won't sign it, the question was hypothetical. and you can make up your own mind on that. but today he tried to tell rush limbaugh his answer had nothing to do with paul ryan.
>> it was not a reference to paul ryan. there was no reference to paul ryan in that answer. >> then what did you apologize to him about? >> because it was interpreted in a way which was causing trouble, which he doesn't need or deserve and causing the house republicans. >> gingrich today talking about his answer to the question about the ryan plan in the ryan sponsored budget for which he apologized to paul ryan. in a very, very narrow sense, gingrich is right, he did not mention paul ryan by name in his answer. but it's clear from david gregory's followup they're talking about the ryan plan here. listen. >> not what paul ryan is suggesting -- >> i think that's too big a jump. >> and gingrich kept going. he didn't stop and say who is this paul ryan you speak of? by the way, just two days ago, he was practically denying he said anything at all. >> so let me say on the record, any ad which quotes what i said on sunday is a falsehood, because i have said publicly, those words were inaccurate and unfortunate.
>> in other words, who are you going to believe, newt, or that lying videotape of newt gingrich? a lot to talk about with paul begala and republican strategist rich galen, who once served as newt gingrich's press secretary. >> i did, but if you say that again. >> rich, what do you make of this? is his explanation of the explanation, does it make sense? >> of course not. this isn't just a rookie mistake, this is a mistake by somebody that's in single-a short season hagerstown. the whole part of this you left out was his press secretary then blaming everybody on the planet except for themselves. no, this is -- i think what happened was that they didn't realize how dangerous this was. it took them and day and a half to get their arms around it. as the thing kept building, newt
kept trying to find new ways to wriggle out of it. unfortunately as you have done here, and i think fairly, as you have done here when you string all of the -- all of everything he said and where he said it, plus getting a box of lucky charms poured on his bed, which he didn't need this week, it's been a tough week for newt and i don't know that the campaign is over. what i would do if i were involved, which i am not, i would say let's get through the rest of the schedule in iowa, come back to washington, retool and relaunch this thing and see if we can get it straightened out. >> paul, is that the way to go? >> i guess. these other explanations are so implausible. maybe you just ask people for a do-over. maybe he wasn't talking about paul ryan, maybe it was matt ryan, the quarterback for the atlanta falcons or nolan ryan, the pitcher, meg ryan the actress. it's implausible, and it's really embarrassing. newt gingrich is a brilliant guy, and he led his party to a
historic land slide in the house of representatives in 1994. but it's just not 1994 anymore. it's really astonishing to me, i guess how intellectually dishonest he's been. he had a position, it's a a credible conservative position. it would be i guess what i would call a private option, right? we have medicare right now, it's a national system, it's a socialized system for paying for health care, not the care itself. and he was saying we should have an option. leave traditional medicare as it is, but have an option. where they can take a voucher to an insurance company. there are even some democrats, i don't agree with them, who are for that position. but newt abandoned that position like the devil runs from holy water just as soon as the right wing came after him and then blamed the press. and ms. palin blaming the press. >> here's the thing that's astonishing. newt gingrich having to take political advice from sarah palin is maybe the most bizarre thing of the week.
>> it's got to hurt a little bit. >> her idea of a gotcha question is, what newspapers do you read, governor? >> i don't want to sort of bash her or anything, but i don't understand the sort of constant reference to gotcha questions when you actually hear the david gregory question, it's a completely rational question. it's not a trick question. >> what should have -- i mean, what somebody ought to do tomorrow is ask -- now she'll do it, but ask mrs. palin if she watched any part of "meet the press" or ever watched any part of "meet the press" to see what the question was. my guess is she didn't. >> here's where this matters. sometimes we get off in the silly season in campaign. you remember barack obama when he was running, used an old phrase, you can't put lipstick on a pig. and people wrongly said oh, he's talking about sarah palin. of course he wasn't. we sometimes get diverted by silly gaffes. this is not a silly gaffe.
this is a health care system for tens of millions of americans. the republicans, in the words of "the wall street journal," want to essentially end medicare and put insurance companies in charge, which will cost seniors more. this is the most important domestic i think issue and budgetary issue in front of the country. >> and it was the issue that the shut down fight was over, looking for a way to reduce the growth of medicare expenditures. and you and i were on opposite sides of that. >> so rich, can gingrich recover from this? >> sure, he can. four years ago i was one of the geniuses that kept saying the mccain campaign was over and he was over when he accepted the nomination. but yeah, he can come back to this. but it fed into the, as we like to say now, narrative of gingrich in whether or not he can -- he can be on message and hold himself in check so that what comes into his head does not automatically come out of his mouth. for most people what they are looking for in a president is
somebody who can actually sit behind that desk, in that office, and they feel confident that they won't go off on a tangent as newt did on sunday. >> rich gal efrgs n, appreciate your time. paul begala, as well. coming up, president obama's speech in the middle east, promising new aid to egypt, tunisia. stopping short of calling for the removal of syria's dictator. i'm going to talk to richard haass and professor fouad ajami next. [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. and all we need to do is change the way we're thinking about them.
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new pictures out of libya showing the aftermath of a nato air strike in the port of tripoli. what appears to be a tanker there burning. the operation deputy commander saying that given gadhafi's escalated use of naval assets, they had no choice but to take action. he called president obama's speech today delusional.
the president endorsing change, promising new aid to egypt and tunisia, criticizing syria, but not calling for the dictator's removal or saying he lost legitimacy. he's getting the most flak for making official the rarely stated american support for a palestinian state based on borders that existed before the 1967 six-day war. mitt romney saying the president threw israel under the bus. in fact, mr. obama said any deal should include land swaps and took pains to underscore america's commitment to israel. >> our commitment to israel's security is unshakeable. and we will stand against attempts to single them out against criticism in international forums. but precisely because of our friendship, it's important that we tell the truth. the status quo is unsustainable,
and israel too must act boldly to advance a lasting peace. >> joining us now richard haass president of the council on foreign relations. also professor fouad ajami. richard, he declared his support for the two-state solution with pre-'67 boarders. the israeli prime minister reacted very quickly, saying those boarders are indefensible. does it make sense to you why he made this speech? >> to be honest, it doesn't. the big events of this spring are the upheavals in the arab world. what was to me noticeable about these up heavals is what they were not about. people were not burning israeli flags or american flags. and the president came forward with this speech, which had different formulations, including the ones about the '67 boarders so forth. it's probably enough to put the israelis on edge. the israelis felt the speech was too much, but from the arab point of view, you're hearing it was too little. because there wasn't a followup. there's no mechanism or process in place for what happens tomorrow. so it might have been one of those speeches that left nobody
happy. >> fouad, do you agree with that? >> well, look, when the president began talking about the israeli-palestinian conflict, it was after he said, in conclusion. in conclusion, he turned to this. fundamentally, this speech was what it was. the president was -- had come forth. it was really a victory lap, but it was something of a declaration of an american victory after the killing of osama bin laden. and something of an attempt to catch up with the arab spring. he hadn't been a big supporter of this arab spring. what he ended up doing was, he claimed tunisia and egypt and put syria -- he left the door open for the syrians. he cast the libyan regime adrift. he hedged his bets on bahrain. so the idea of bending the arab spring and the idea of bending the arab spring to make it serve the interest of the israeli-palestinian matters isn't politically brilliant at this time. >> by bringing in the question of israel and palestine, does he overwhelm the talk of the arab
spring? >> no. i think fundamentally president obama wasn't -- the arab spring left us all -- we have to cast a vote, was this a very important event, does this herald the making of a new arab world, and the president was slow to act. it wasn't his cause. it wasn't the burning issue for him. so i think this was not a bad speech. it wasn't a brilliant speech. there was nothing lyrical or compelling about it. it was just an attempt to place american diplomacy in the middle of this event. >> you think one of the most -- the strongest part of the speech was bahrain? >> absolutely. >> he was critical of the regime in bahrain, even though it's an ally of the united states. >> it was critical of saudi arabia, which he never mentioned in the speech. and that to me was the most interesting part. everything else was predictable, what he said about syria or egypt or libya, what have you.
but the criticism of the crackdown in bahrain put him at odds with an american ally and which is the principal host to the fifth fleet and put him at odds with saudi arabia. it's his way of saying there has to be a limit to our inconsistency and we can't look the other way what's going on in bahrain, and we don't think what you, bahrain, and what you saudis are doing there is in your own long-term self-interest. he called for resumption of a political dialogue. i don't know if it may be too late to get a serious dialogue underway now, now that we've had the confrontation. that to me was probably in the uprising part of the speech, the most noteworthy part. >> fouad, a lot of people i'm getting e-mails from hoped the president would say that assad has no legitimacy or has lost legitimacy. he didn't say that. he basically said he can either start to make changes now and stop killing his own people or get out of the way. >> exactly.
he can either lead the process of change or get out of the way. this still represents an improvement of the old american position of several days ago. i did a discussion with you a while ago, where secretary of state hillary clinton was asked by jeffrey goldberg, would you be sorry to see assad go? and she gave this remarkable answer, very, very politically, if you really think about it, a very obtuse answer. she said it depends on who replaces him. so in fact this represented a movement in american diplomacy to speak to assad and say we know what your doing in dara, we know what you are doing in damascus, and i think that there was an attempt, if you will, to take american diplomacy in a tougher direction. >> from a diplomatic effort, richard, why would you not say this man has lost legitimacy? >> because if your rhetoric gets that far out in front, the gap between your rhetoric and what you're prepared to do get toos large and you create something of a libya situation where your
goals are ambitious and your means are constrained. the president could say, assad has to go, and then everyone's next question is that's fine, mr. president, but what are you going to do to bring it about? the answer is, there's not a lot we can do. we've done sanctions and so forth, and we've now added some rhetoric. at the end of the day, the futcher is going to be determined on the streets of syrian cities, not a speech by the president of the united states in the state department. >> fouad, how concerned are you about what's going on in egypt right now? >> fundamentally, this is where the arab spring crystallizes and yields something, gives hope of a better future, both for egypt and then points the way for the other arab nations, because remember, in liberation square where you were, where this arab spring gained strength. i'm not frightened that much by what's happening in egypt, i'm worried by what's happening in egypt. look, these people lived under a tyranny for 60 years, when you combine the regimes of mubarak and nasser.
and freedom is difficult and the ways of freedom are very difficult. if you look at the clashes between the christians and the islamists, these don't bode well. but i think egypt remains, it's the one arab country i've studied in depth. this is a country of culture, it's a country of a real genuine sense of forgiveness and forbearance. and i have a feeling that the egyptians will find their way. it's not easy for them, because, again, the transition from tyranny to freedom is never easy. >> do you agree with that? >> he's right to be worried. the disconnect between the pace of political change, and the scale of the economic problems, people should be worried about how egypt is going to go. that's why i don't like the phrase "arab spring." it's too positive and suggests things are going to happen quickly. we're looking at years and years of unfolding before we know exactly what the character of egypt is. >> unfolding and uncertainty. thank you both. coming up, arnold schwarzenegger was planning on making a movie comeback, but with revelations about his
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a "360" follow now. federal investigators are looking into what caused a military plane carrying about 150,000 pounds of fuel to crash last night in southern california during takeoff. amazingly, all three people on board escaped without serious injury. in west virginia, an independent investigation concluded that a reckless disregard safety by the mining giant masse energy caused the worst mining disaster in four decades. 29 miners died in last year's explosion. that's a big upper branch mine. the report calls it a man made disaster that could have been prevented. arnold schwarzenegger's lawyer says the former california governor is putting his movie comeback on hold while he focuses on personal matters. the announcement comes two days after news broke that he fathered a child with his former housekeeper. and princess beatrice may already have the last laugh.
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if i said the word classroom to you, would imagine a teacher in front of the block board, the classic setup. so what happens when the kids and teachers trade places? steve perry shows us this week in "perry's principles." >> when the synapses in my brain connect, then i learn. >> the students are teaching class today at the beardsley school. the pupils, they're teachers. this role reversal is part of a revolutionary program developed by the national urban alliance, or nua. how do teachers respond to having kids tell them how to teach? >> they love it, because it gives them an understanding of the strengths that the students have, as well as where the gaps are that need to be filled in. >> the training is broken up into two parts. first, an nua representative leads a session on creative teaching methods for students and teachers.
>> ready, set, go. >> neurons are the brain cells, the brain cells, the brain cells. >> then the kids take over. >> i'll only give you about two minutes, so go. >> you're working in some of the most low performing districts in the country. what do you hope to gain? >> it's not just so the students feel empowered, it's so that the teachers feel what unbelievable wealth of potential these students have, as long as they're given access and the opportunities to say, wait a minute, we can make an investment in this community. but we can do this together. >> today you guys were teaching. was that cool? >> yes. >> what makes you think you could be a good teacher? >> because now i know how the teacher feels, because they
always teach us, so it's good to teach them for a change. >> are you building a love affair with the kids? >> absolutely. i'm glad you said that. >> why i get so excited, steve, is because we've seen it happen. kids turn around and created miracles in the eyes of the teachers. >> the cost of the program is split between the nua and participating school districts. more than 250 students in 15 schools across the country have participate sod far. the nua says those student's performance has improved in the classroom and they're sponsoring formal research to confirm that. >> i think teachers need to know they should keep on trying and teaching the kids no matter what. >> it seems like the students and the teachers got a lot out of it. what do you think they did well that engaged the kids? >> what the teachers did well was became students and let the students do the teaching. when i watched the students teaching, i actually learned a lot.
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