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they could talk. maybe that's the first stab at peace. but he just wanted to lay out, again, palestinians' clear principiples without having a bk and forth. >> made for an interesting show. it shows you why this is all so completely difficult all the time. >> exactly. >> thanks so much. thanks for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. up next for our viewers here in the united states, "fareed zakaria: gps." >> this is "gps," the global public square. to all of you in the united states and around the world, welcome to tahrir square in cairo. this was, of course, the scene of the january 25th revolution, the heart of the arab spring, and we're here today to check in on that revolution four months later. in just a moment, i'll be speaking with some of the revolutionaries, the young people in the streets who made this all come alive. then we'll tell you the sad, ironic story about egypt's plummeting economy.
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and finally, the two top presidential candidates in egypt, two former office mates now rivals. let me first give you some of my own thoughts, having spent some time in cairo and actually listened to president obama's speech from here in tahrir square. the president's speech was remarkably comprehensive. it described the events that we now call the arab spring, explain their causes and consequences. he placed the united states squarely behind the democratic wave everywhere. though he didn't specifically mention one country. saudi arabia. the place where america's interests and values most obviously clash. i don't blame him. street protests in saudi arabia might warm our hearts, but they could easily lead to $250 a barrel oil and a global recession. that's a tough one. obama outlined specific policies to help the arab revolutions get consolidated. all good stuff. and he also talked about the need for a resolution of the
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israeli/palestinian conflict. with two states based on 1967 borders with land swaps that both parties agreed to and the palestinian partner that renounced terror. a blow at hamas. in other words, it was a comprehensive, fair, balanced speech. but the most difficult aspect of this arab revolution is not in understanding it right now. its causes are clear. the problem is it remains very much unfinished business. in egypt, where i stand, a successful people's movement dazzled the world and toppled a military dictatorship from power. but who is running egypt these months later? a military dictatorship complete with arbitrary arrests, torture, military trials and tear gas. will the egyptian military genuinely devolve power to a democratic structure of authority? will the military allow genuine economic reform that will
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disempower them and empower a new generation of egyptians? these are the obstacles to egypt's democratic future right now. and the united states should focus much of its attention on egypt. the arab world's largest state, the heart of arab culture, the font of ideas for the region. if egypt succeeds, it will change the arab world. if it fails, if this revolution fails, it will send a terrible message throughout the region. obama chose the right audience to give his speech, america's foreign service, because ultimately it will not be a speech by which arabs will judge america but the countless actions of american diplomats over the next few months and years as they struggle to make a break from the past and enter the modern world. let's get started.
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by every account, egypt's revolution was genuinely spontaneous. a few groups, until then small, called for protests in tahrir square. the protests had, until then, been small, often involving a few thousand people, at most. but this time in january of this year, perhaps because of the example of the revolt in tunisia, many, many more came. and as more people streamed into tahrir square, others saw them, get involved and then came out as well. and it all started with a few young people. precisely because it was so spontaneous, i can't really bring you the leader or leaders of this movement. but i've invited some prominent leaders, activists, who represent many of the groups and the people who were out there on the streets of egypt for those many days in january while the world watched with awe and respect. and i'm now joined by waleed rashid, who is a spokesman for
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the april 6th movement, which was one of the key groups that organized some of the protests in tahrir square. by sara abdel rohman, who is a classic student activists and she adds a video blogger. sara was at the square from day one till the last day. also a student activist, a law student who has been very active during the protests as well. and the lawyer to every activist/protester who has been involved in these protests, a human rights activist and a lawyer. so let me just begin by asking sara a simple question. how has the revolution fared so far? >> i believe that the revolution hasn't really happened yet. it's an uprising so far. the gains of the revolution we haven't really seen. we are now under military rule. the military is completely abusing their powers in terms of military trials, abusing the
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protesters and controlling the media. so to me, we are actually planning another protest on the 27th of may. >> when you look at this situation, there are a lot of people who i met in egypt who say, well, there's people that are being too impatient. there is a path. there was a referendum. there is a process that's been laid out. why are the students -- why are the revolutionaries so impatient? >> we're in a point of our history where we are rebuilding egypt. we have -- we are -- we have -- we are trying to remove the old foundations in order to set new foundations built on ideas of democracy and justice. and we're trying to steer away from all the negatives in the past that we used to accept, and we stayed silent. hence, because we are in this phase of rebuilding egypt, all the injustices that egyptians used to accept before the 25th
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of january, we cannot accept now. >> you probably have a closer sense than anybody of to what extent is the martial law, the arbitrary arrest still in place? how severe are the injustices even now? >> we believe and we know that the fight and the struggle is long. it's going to take time. and despite right now the picture doesn't look great, yes, there are people being arrested and put on military trials, not just the activists but regular citizens, you know, who break the curfew or are framed for cases of possession of weapons or, you know, anything. >> the number is 10,000 people in the military right now. >> yeah, i think it could be a bit less now, but it is definitely between 5,000 to 10,000. i think nobody really has the statistics. i think the pressure and the campaigns by the local activists, by some international media on these issues has forced
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the supreme council, military forces, the armed forces to take another look at why are they going to the military trials and to say, okay, maybe we need to take a step back and not put civilians on trial. >> sarah, is there a danger that the egyptian people, they're going to say, you know what, we've had it, we've had enough of these protests. we want a normal life. the economy is doing badly. we don't need another revolution right now. >> actually, i think that this is already happening. as i mentioned before, the military is using the media, you know, to get people to think that there's no security in egypt. and they're making the people think by certain media messages that the economy is going downhill, not because of anything but these protests. and these are -- these protesters and these revolutionaries are the ones responsible for -- if you don't
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have dinner on the table, it's probably the protesters in tahrir. now, the military is playing a very smart game. i mean, if you spoke to me two weeks ago, i would have said, i love the military, and i would have been very happy with our revolution, you know, very hopeful. but what happened in the past few days is that i realized that the army and the police deliberately ignore hospitals, so ers, they close. thugs attack hospitals. they ignore police stations that are being burned every other day. they come to peaceful protesters and they start arresting them. they leave the thugs that attack these protesters, but they concentrate on dispersing and cracking down on peaceful protests. >> waleed, your movement, the april 6th movement, was invited in by the military to talk to them. what is your sense? do you trust these people that they are trying to preside over a transition to democracy? >> to be honest with you, there
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is nothing called trust or not. you are telling me something, okay, fine. you can say anything easily. but what about actions? nothing. they keep saying okay, fine, we'll do, we'll do, but no actions. you are telling me that okay, fine, there is no military courts. some guys are arrested, they put them in jail, and we don't know anything about them. for a few day wes do not know what is the location of them. we don't know what the number is. so many things are going like that. here people are saying, according to sarah, some people are saying in egypt that army is the red line. nothing is called red line. the red line must be my freedom, my rights. yeah. >> what is the demand if there is a second set of protests? the first protests were so successful because there was a very simple, powerful, evocative demand. the end of the mubarak regime. mubarak had to resign. if you gather in tahrir square
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again, what will be the demand that people in egypt and the world can understand? >> the second set of demonstrations will have specific demands. there are several demands. however, some of the most notable demands are an absolute end to military trials for civilians. if the military is going to rule egypt, going to rule the civilians, then they abide by the civilian laws. they don't subject us to military laws. freedom of the media without censorship, without control that is inflicted by several different authorities, mainly -- >> again, there is still censorship. >> that's the thing. there is still censorship. >> let me ask you, will you be there on the 27th? >> i will be there like i've been at every single protest for the last ten years. >> you will be there? >> i'll be there. >> you'll be there? >> we'll all be there. >> we're going down tomorrow. when we come back, i'm going to ask all four of them what they thought of president obama's speech, what they think of american foreign policy, in
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and we are back with four student activists, so-called student activists. i discovered when got to cairo that most of the people were called student activists are actually not students. one of them explained to me, waleed, that when they started these pro-democracy marches five or seven years ago, they were students, which is why they're called students. waleed rashed, sarah abdelrahman, noor ayman nour, and ragia omran. noor, let me ask you something. before we get to president obama, your father ran for president against hosni mubarak
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and was arrested, beaten up. does he regard what you have managed to do as a success? when i say "you," i mean your generation? >> i think everyone in egypt, not just my father, but everyone in egypt, especially the older generations, for a period of time they just looked at the younger generations with admiration. and this is something that the younger generations are not used to in egypt. we are not used to older generations thanking us for our efforts and feeling like we did something. so obviously my father was one of the people who were extremely, extremely proud of our generation. and he was also -- him as well as many people from the older generations also joined in the revolution in itself. >> all right. now, as always, within america, enough about you, now what about what you think of us? sarah, what did you think of president obama's speech? >> the u.s. foreign policy, i
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believe, is completely inconsistent when it comes to the region. also, they decided very last minute to support the people of egypt during our revolution. you know, hilary clinton would say one thing, and president obama would say another thing every other day. they would not decide on what they want to do. >> do you think the general feeling, that the united states in general was too late in supporting the egyptian revolution? >> yes, especially, you know, we get hit with tear gas, and then we pick it up after the tear gas is completely taken over our bodies, and we see the mark made in the usa. so that did not really send the message that i think president obama is always talking about, about american values. >> i thought president obama was trying to do was to present the broad picture and say, look, in general, we support all these movements. of course there are going to be differences. of course there are going to be specific policies. but he was trying to say the
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united states is broadly in support of democratic reform everywhere. did that not ring true for you? >> to tell you the truth, i was not impressed. and i didn't expect to be impressed, like i was not impressed when he came to cairo and gave the speech. >> what would impress you? what should you -- >> i would like to have a consistent u.s. policy that is fair and broad across the middle east, if we're talking about -- >> but what does that mean? >> the american policy towards the arab countries and israel to be the same. if you analyzed what he said about israel and what he said about the other countries, completely inconsistent. >> noor, what did you think? >> i, like ragia, was not impressed and was expected to be impressed simply because obama is very good with words. if anything, the u.s. foreign office is very good with words and horrible with actions. i just -- all i could see was hypocrisy and the continuation of hypocrisy. >> and what -- is the hypocrisy all about israel/palestine, or is it about the issues relating
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to -- would you like him to take a stronger stand on syria, for example? >> okay. i would like him to take a stronger stand on any case of any atrocities that occur in the region, whether or not by an air arab country or whether or not by israel. stances must be taken. however, the problem is when i come to see the united states and their foreign policy, this is the same regime that supported mubarak fork the last 30 years. this is the same regime that up till this day has not spoken one word about saudi arabia simply because they're worried about whether or not gas prices are going to go up tomorrow. >> you guys are being very hard on obama. what would you say? >> you know, i didn't discuss it with noor, but really i have the same comment. to be honest with you, he has a very good -- he's very good in speeches and language. i like that point. i like it so much, but you can't keep promising me anything. if you would like to speak about us, you must speak about us from our position, from our view. >> i just wanted to add something to what you just said
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right now about understanding the arab mentality. i think that, you know, our revolution, i don't like the term "arab spring" because it's not a season. it's our demands. it's our rights. and i think that a lesson that we can all learn is that the obama administration had the wrong idea about -- i think they were fooled by the mubarak regime into thinking that egyptians are -- want mubarak and, you know, if mubarak leaves, then it's going to be the muslim brotherhood. that was the choice that mubarak was leaving obama. here in egypt, we separate between the american government and the american foreign policy that we're speaking of now and the american people. and i think that you have probably witnessed that out on the streets. if you say that you're american, you're going to be welcomed and there's hospitality. but i think that the obama administration doesn't really make that difference and didn't make that difference between the egyptian government and the statistics that they take from the egyptian government and the
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egyptian people. >> thank you all very much for a wonderful conversation. >> thank you. >> we will be back.
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welcome back to a special edition of "gps." i'm back in front of cairo's tahrir square, the place where everyone will agree history was made and egypt's politics took a great step forward. but have egypt's economics taken a big step backwards? one of the generals running the country presented a picture of his country's economy that made me think, what in the world? he says foreign direct investment is now down to zero. egypt's foreign reserves are fast getting depleted. then there's the tourism
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industry which employs 2 million people but is sitting idle with the world continuing to shun the pyramids and cruises down the nile. that's $1 billion of lost revenue every month. growth has crawled to a standstill. meanwhile, tens of thousands of workers emboldened with a new sense of freedom are staging strikes to demand better pay. confronting them would mean work stoppages. appeasing them would cost money. and the state's coffers airport aren't exactly overflowing. then there's oil. the revolutions of the middle east have sparked a cycle of pain in the crude markets. look at three countries that have been hit hardest by people power movements -- egypt, tunisia, syria. they are all oil importers. egypt then will go from growth in 2010 to shrinking gdps this year. now, look at the neighbors who managed to stave off the wave of protests through a mix of bribery and appeasement. qatar, saudi arabia, kuwait. they're all net oil exporters with vast cash reserves.
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that's why the dichotomy is actually getting worse, because oil importers need to spend more to buy the same amount of gas. also, to keep political support at home, they need to increase subsidies on things like food, potatoes, carrots because everything costs more thanks to oil-driven inflation here. and then there's this. unlike previous years, the gulf countries, the oil-rich countries, actually want oil prices to be priced higher because they need the cash. they need to support their own spending plans for more cities, for more payout, so suppress dissent. for the first time in history oil is averaging nearly $100 a barrel for more than a year. even the saudis need that cash. if egypt's economy doesn't stabilize soon, the imf will soon come knocking on its door. and what will it demand? economic reform to promote growth, of course, which means what? a devaluation of egypt's currency, possibly, the reduction of subsidies, the
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privatization of industries, anything to get the fiscal house in order and generate new economic growth. the problem is that economic reform is now a tainted idea. in the people's minds here, it's a phrase associated with gamal mubarak, hosni's son, and his businessmen friends. those policy changes made by gamal mubarak triggered strong growth in egypt, but also unequal growth, and charges that it unduly profited friends of the regime. over the last decades, however, countries from china to brazil have found that if you want economic growth, the surest path is reforms that open your economy up to markets and trade. but no egyptian politician is going to say that today. so the demands of economics will bump up against the demands of politics. who will win? egypt's future might depend on finding a creative solution to this problem. we will be watching closely. and we will be right back. >> i was not born on the 24th of january.
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i was ambassador of egypt, and i was minister in the cabinet, and i was a diplomat. >> unless you know under a new constitution what kind of country you're going to run, i can't apply for a job which i don't have a job description.
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i now want to bring you the two men who seem the most likely front-runners for the presidency of egypt, moussa and elbaradei. officially there is no race, no clock and therefore no official contenders for the presidency. but both party organizations, the press and street wisdom point to these two figures as the heavyweights so far. it remains unclear if a third candidate, a member of the muslim brotherhood, will run. if he did, that might change the calculus. both candidates are towering figures in modern egypt. moussa having served as
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mubarak's foreign minister for ten years was then secretary-general of the arab league, in fact, still is for another month or so. mohamed elbaradei is best known for his work as head of the international atomic energy agency for which he received the nobel peace prize. in that role, he famously confronted the bush administration, pointing out that he had no evidence that saddam hussein was developing a nuclear weapons program. turned out he was right. the two of them, amir moussa and mohamed elbaradei, are friends for 40 years and former colleagues. in fact, they once shared an office at the egyptian foreign ministry as young diplomats. but they are different people with different perspectives. let's start with mohamed elbaradei who has been passionate about the need for a real transition to real democracy in egypt. mohamed elbaradei, thank you so much for joining us again. >> thank you very much for having me, fareed, here in cairo.
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>> tell me, the light the world's attention has moved somewhat away from egypt after the glory days of the revolution. what do things look like now? >> it's normal that the world moves on. there is always something new. but things are not the best right now, fareed. i mean, the security situation, law and order is not in the best shape. people do not feel secure. they are buying guns to protect themselves. so there's this sense of angst which obviously has great impact on the economy. the economy is bust. cyr voe investment, inflation, budget deficit, lack of tourism. and then add to that that there is no clear road map, where are we heading? what kind of state or regime are we going to have?
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is it a presidential system? is it a parliamentary system? when will we have a new constitution? when is the presidential election? so it's a total opaque situation coupled with economic deterioration. >> so where does this leave egypt in the sense that you have announced that you will run for the presidency. can you start a campaign? >> i can't even start a campaign. there is no law which says how -- you know, how you run a campaign, how you raise funds, for example. there is no deadline, when you officially can become a candidate. i think they talk about three weeks, you know, for which you can run for president, which is ridiculous. i do not know whether the election is going this year or sometime next year. and as i mentioned, unless you know under a new constitution what kind of country you're going to run, i can't apply for a job which i don't have a job description.
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>> do you worry that if the elections were held quickly, the muslim brotherhood, which is the most organized political movement in egypt, would gain perhaps even an unrepresentative share and then would try to write a constitution that had some abridgements on these personal freedoms because it had a particularly strict interpretation of islamic law? >> i do worry a lot. see, to have an election in three months' time, when the new parties, the parties of the youth who just triggered the revolution are in the making right now, to give them three months to compete against the muslim brotherhood, who have been in place for 80 years, will probably lead to a fair and free election but not representative election. and having an election in three months would lead to a parliament that does not represent the different, you know, hues of the egyptian society, and that will not
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really be the kind of egypt people triggered the revolution to achieve. >> should the united states be playing a more active role in helping egypt at this point, or would that be interference? >> well, it depends what you talk about. i mean, egypt needs economic assistance, advice on how to -- again, economically, we are -- we have 5 million people who are unemployed. there will be 7.5 million, i think, in six months. people are afraid that we will have another revolution which is revolt of the poor. i mean, the revolution was a revolt for human dignity and freedom. we need a quick infusion of money. the u.s. and others can show their models of how you build up a full-fledged democracy. as in everywhere, you build a national consensus. you try to ensure that there is a majority rule but also a clear protection of the minority rules.
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we have now, as you know, quite a lot of violence between christians and muslims, which should not happen, but it's the result of many factors of 60 years of repression and total chaos. people now, after the revolution, think revolution means chaos. right now socially we are disintegraing. economically we are not in the best shape. and politically, it's like a black hole. we do not know where we are headed. >> are you hopeful still that egypt's revolution will be successful and that it will be a model for the arab world? >> well, philosophically, if you look to other revolutions, there is always bumps in the road. i believe -- and i would like to believe that we will go in the right direction, but we'll have to do a lot of work to make sure that we learn from other revolutions. we learn from our own mistakes. but definitely no matter what's
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going to happen, it will be better than what we had before. we are still poor, but we are free today. >> mohamed elbaradei, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> and we will be back. there are people who say you are too associated with the former regime to really represent the future. >> i was the foreign minister of egypt for ten years. and the president was hosni mubarak. but the fact also remains that there were differences. you know that. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create hundreds of thousands of jobs. at our kearl project in canada, we'll be able to produce these oil sands with the same emissions as many other oils and that's a huge breakthrough. that's good for our country's energy security and our economy.
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hello. i'm fredricka whitfield. a look at our top stories right now. president barack obama stressed his support for israel today during a speech to a pro-israel lobby group. critics raised questions last week about the president declaring that the middle east peace negotiations should be based on israel's pre-1967 borders. speaking to the american/israel public affairs committee, this morning mr. obama said his support for the jewish state remains strong. >> good morning. a strong and secure israel is in the national security interests of the united states not simply because we share strategic
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interests, although we do both seek a region where families and children can live free from the threat of violence. meantime, los angeles police have arrested a suspect in connection with the brutal beating of a san francisco giants baseball fan at dodger stadium. other suspects are being detained. bryan to stow was leaving the game wearing a giants jersey when he was attacked by two men wearing dodgers apparel. a tragic night in northeastern kansas. at least one person is dead after a tornado ripped through the town of redding. four others were injured. 200 homes were damaged or destroyed. join me for more news at the top of the hour. "fareed zakaria: gps" continues right after this. [ male announcer ] doctors have been saying it forever. let's take a look. but they've never actually been able to do it like this. let's take a look. v-scan from ge healthcare.
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musa is a household name in egypt, foreign minister for ten years, head of the arab league for another ten, much admired in the region for championing the palestinian cause. he spent decades on the global stage but is leaving his arab league post another the end of the month to concentrate on his home country.
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thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for visiting us. >> you are very popular in egypt but in some quarters a controversial figure. there are people who say you are too associated with former regime to really represent the future, that you are, after all, worked for mubarak, that you were appointed to the arab league, proposed by mubarak, and that you have very comfortable relations with him till the end. >> yes, of course i was the foreign representative for ten years for former president mubarak. but the fact remains there were differences of views. you know that. we discussed that several times. and therefore i was moved from the cabinet because of the differences of views on certain issues of policy.
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i believe that ministers or officials in general should be judged by their records, by their achievements, by their performance, because i was not born on the 24th of january. i was ambassador of egypt and i was minister in the cabinet, and i was a diplomat. >> but people say that you went to tahrir square and told the students there, the demonstrators there, go back, mubarak is not going to resign. >> no. this is 50% of the truth. 50% is that i really went to the tahrir square twice. but tahrir square with a million people, you cannot tell anybody anything. this huge demonstrations and people are shouting and people are singing. but some campaigns say, nobody was able to say anything.
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with a million demonstrators talking and singing and shouting. and so, i was not alone. and all of them said this is nonsense. this is a campaign saying something, and i don't think the people, electorate, believe that. they know my positions on serious issues. >> what is the state of egypt's revolution? >> as you know, they called the revolution, and the revolution season in the arab world as the arab spring. our spring is full of sandstorms. and therefore, we should expect difficulty, we should expect bumps. i don't think the current problems would derail the revolution or derail our quest for and movement towards democracy. >> put on your hat as secretary-general of the arab league. i suppose i don't have to say put on your hat, because that is the job you hold still till the end of this month.
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people have cite sized you for having initially supported the libyan operation, the requested military intervention, and then after the first couple of days, when there was -- you know, when it began, you seemed to back off. and people in the west said there goes musa flip-flopping. >> not exactly. i will tell you, we were really angered by the fact that civilian population was bombarded by planes, attacked by rockets. we couldn't take it. therefore, the arab league took the first decision ever in punishing a member state, applying sanctions, preventing that state from participating in the meetings of the arab league on all levels and on all organizations. >> do you think it's possible that gadhafi will agree to go peacefully? >> well, there are a lot of opinions on that.
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he is not that type of man. he will continue to make war. others will say that, no, there is a degree or a point where everybody gets exhausted and he wants it to come to an end. so between these two, if imposed if both parties, libyan parties, agree to sit and negotiate, and if tripoli accepts that for the negotiations for certain period of time, and that a transitional period has to be established, that libya will not go back to the status quo. >> you cannot accept a libya that continues to have gadhafi -- >> i don't think that it is possible. whether we accept it or not. i don't think it's acceptable. after all this blood shed and all this confrontation, i don't think libya can get back to the status as if nothing happened. that's the logical things. >> can syria go back to the
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status quo and the assad family continue? >> you know, i believe that bashar al assad has a chance, if he accelerated the pace, towards reform. and meet what the demonstrators want to have like freedom, like new elections, like that. things are doable. >> right now he's killing them. >> right now creating that situation, risks of, again, that you can't move back. and you can't move forward. that is why the problem is that -- do the reform quickly, quickly. you are racing against time. it is possible. but for a very short window. of opportunity. >> you said that there will be change in every arab society? >> every arab society you will not find the same egypt you used to know or the same any country. >> let me ask you about a subject you spent many, many years, if not decades on, arab
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israeli issue. we can do this for a half hour, but let me ask you something very simple. the israeli position currently is that it is -- they cannot negotiate with a combined palestinian delegation, because one part of that delegation, hamas, is dedicated to the destruction, refuses to recognize them. is that a legitimate argument? >> no. because they stated before that they cannot negotiate with our best because he represents only part of the palestinians. now after the conciliation, they cannot negotiate with them because part of them is, as they say, a terrorist organization. if we -- if they create a third position, they will find the same answer, no, we cannot negotiate with them until they do this or that. no. this is not serious. i believe that the israeli government, prime minister net
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tan y netanyahu will have to take into consideration the arab world is changing, the order as they used to coexist with for the last several decades or several years, will be no longer there. they have to seize this opportunity. >> if you became president of egypt, would you press for an adoption of the arab league position which is broadly speaking, i will characterize as that the arabs will recognize israel and end the state of war if there is a palestinian state roughly on the 67 borders with adjustments as the palestinians would agree with? >> my position today and tomorrow, and as president if i am elected president, will be based on the arab initiative of which egypt is party. the arab initiative puts the whole thing in a very clear equation, that we are ready to implement our part of the deal. we invite you to implement your
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part of the deal. if this happens then not only normalization, but for the commission, and not only by the five or six countries around, but by all the arab countries. this is an offer the israelis never took seriously or even considered. now is the time for them to consider. >> mr. moussa, pleasure to have you. >> thank you.
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our gps challenge question, what year was this great city of cairo founded? it is a great city. was it 969 bc, 96 bc, 96 ad, or
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969 ad? keep watching to find out the correct answer. go to our website for more questions and answers. check out our blog, global public square. this week we have great reads on egypt, arab spring and more. my book of the week published three years ago, but in a strikingly way, foretold the january revolution called inside egypt, the land of the farrows on the brink of a revolution, written by john r. bradley, who also wrote a book about saudi arabia. the book was banned by the mubarak regime. do you need to know more? if you want to understand how egypt got to this crossroads, read the book. for the last look. after 30 years in power, hosni mubarak's face and name were ubiquitous in egypt. you practically couldn't turn a corner without seeing a portrait of mubarak or finding yourself
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on a mubarak street. there are said to have been almost 10,000 entities in the country, schools, medical centers, villages, all named after mubarak. many egyptians hope they have had their last look at the former dix cater and his name. so it is all coming down. this was the president watching over parliament. this is the mubarak free parliament today. this used to be the mubarak subway station. look what we've found when we went there this week. it's now been named martyr station. this spring cleaning extends to the entire family. mrs. mubarak's name has been scrubbed from this hospital that used to honor her. but cleaning up 30 years of history isn't easy or quick. we found this sign down the road, that they seemingly forget to remove. it says susan mubarak hospital, 200 meters. the correct answer to our gps