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often times we were starting our careers at 14, 15 years old. i have since gone back to school twice now. i'm at columbia university now and i'll get smart one day. >> it's been a pleasure. >> thank you. >> that's it for tonight. now here's anderson cooper with "ac 360." >> piers, thank you very much. good evening, everyone. tonight, we begin with breaking news about john edwards. there are reports that the former presidential candidate is likely to be indicted tomorrow on criminal charges. the other possible scenario, edwards and the justice department will agree on some sort of a plea deal. the charges stem from money given to his mistress, rielle hunter, who became pregnant with his child. prosecutors have cob tended the money, which came from two of his political backers, should have been considered campaign donations and therefore reported. edwards' lawyers say it was gifts from old friends intended to keep the affair street from elizabeth edwards who died back
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in december. first, joe johns lays out how all of this mess began. >> reporter: john edwards, the politician. remember him? >> we have much work to do. because the truth is, we still live in a country where there are two different americas. >> reporter: as it turned out, mr. two americas had two very different faces himself. people close to him said it was the face of betrayal. betrayal of the people closest to him. his late wife, elizabeth, supporters, his staffers, his contributors. grant it, he was a promising politician at first. rich trial lawyer, but a spokesman for the poor. smart but homegrown. talked such a good game, he good picked up as john kerry's running mate in 2004. >> i have chosen a man who understands and defends the
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values of america. >> reporter: but it didn't work out, so next election cycle, edwards jumped into the race for the white house once again. by early 2008 -- >> it's time for me to step aside. >> reporter: he was out. but not before getting entangled in a messy relationship with a woman named rielle hunter. she eventually gave birth to edwards' child. edwards at first denied having the affair and then denied being the father. last year he finally admitted it. the story reached a sleazy low point when a video surfaced that purportedly showed the two having sex. it took eight months before edwards' wife, elizabeth, learned the extent of the affair. and before she died last year, she went public with her feelings in a book and numerous tv appearances. >> maybe it was that 30-year
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investment i had in my marriage or that i could not separate the flawed man before me. >> reporter: the death of elizabeth edwards might have been the end of the story, but there has yet to be a full public accounting. edwards raised $43.9 million in campaign money for his bid for the white house. where some of it came from and where it went has been scrutinized. rielle hunter worked for the campaign and got paid. questions have been raised whether funds may have been used to keep the affair quiet. andrew young said he was persuaded to claim hunter's child was his own and he went to great lengths to help conceal the affair. >> this was john edwards' idea from the beginning. >> reporter: which brings us back to the golden boy. something like this could never have been part of the plan.
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>> an extraordinary rise and fall. candy crowley joins me now with jessica yellin and jeffrey toobin. jeff, obviously the point of a grand jury is to keep things secret. on the other hand, the indications that this case is coming to a head tomorrow are coming from a source that cnn feels comfortable relying on. how strong is the case against john edwards and what are they looking at? >> this is a paradoxical situation. here he is, his wife is dying, he has this affair. they construct this ridiculous story that andrew young, the aide, is the father. and they get all this money together to give to rielle hunter. that's a very ugly, unappealing story. what is unclear is whether it's a crime. because this is potentially a violation of the federal
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election act, and the federal election laws are rarely used in criminal prosecutions. and whether this money was a campaign contribution or simply a ruse to take -- to deceive his wife, having nothing to do with this campaign, that's the factual and legal question that if there's a trial, will be probably the central issue in the case. >> so he could go to trial theoretically, if he's in fact charged tomorrow, and argue that, well, i wasn't misusing this money. i was using it to protect my sick wife. >> exactly. he's saying look, this wasn't a campaign contribution. this money from fred barren, who was a texas trial lawyer, who has since died, this was money that i was using to try to keep my family together in some way.
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that this money had nothing to do with the s.e.c. he was never part of the campaign. this is not a violation of the campaign laws. it's not a crazy argument. a jury is unlikely to feel any sympathy for edwards, but as a legal matter, he may have a point. >> jessica, in political circles, is there any prediction whether edwards, if charged, would go to trial or whether he would try to get a plea deal? >> people who know edwards well describe him as a fighter. he was a courtroom attorney himself and he likes to take challenges head on and he has experience staring down the demons and winning. so he has that kind of personality that thinks he can beat it. but his defenders say a little bit different from what you and jeff are discussing, that there was no i in any of this, that john edwards didn't even know this money was being exchanged. the justice department is charging him based on his word versus andrew young's word. they would argue this is
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basically prosecuting john edwards, if it comes to that, for being a really bad guy to his wife and banking on the fact that a jury will dislike him so much that they'll do something unprecedented. the justice department, if they charge him, thinks that's a good enough case or they have a strong case and juries aren't going to be that friendly to this man who nobody really feels that fondly toward right now, and john edwards is smart enough to know that in front of a jury he's going to have an uphill climb. >> candy, what's so extraordinary about this case and whole saga is how close this man came to power, not only as a vice presidential candidate but as a presidential candidate. and just the hoopspa of not only having the affair and the child and continuing to lie about it, but even when he had his big confessional interview on tv, he
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still continued to lie in that interview. >> well, you know, politics is full of people where hoopspa is given new definition every day. we've seen this in any number of scandals, regardless whether they're about sex with another woman or money or any other form of cheating, it kind of comes out bit by bit. because in the end, there's something in the at mott fear around a politician that makes them believe they're invulnerable to this sort of thing. i think we're always sort of struck and start out every story like this and saying oh, they couldn't have been that stupid. and then it turns out they were that stupid. and so i think the other thing that we have to keep in mind here when we're discussing the possibility with john edwards because i talked to someone who is close to him, doesn't know what he's decided to do but says
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he does have three young children, two by elizabeth, one by rielle hunter. to have a court proceeding that puts this into the court records may not be something he's willing to do as a surviving parent of two of those children. there's a lot on the table here, and certainly elizabeth is right -- i'm sorry, jessica is right in that he is known as a fighter, he's a fierce courtroom lawer. on the other hand, he's also a parent. so, again, without knowing what kind of decisions he's made, they just threw that into the mix. >> anderson -- >> jeff, he could lose his law license, correct? >> there are two big issues at play when you have a plea bargain in a case like this. one is, do they have to serve prison time. that is obviously something people are obvious very concerned about. but perhaps even more important is i think you started to say before i interrupted you, the
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question of will he have to sacrifice his law license. and that is actually a very complicated question that varies state by state in terms of which crimes require you to be disbarred. sometimes you can be suspended. when i was a prosecutor, i happened to prosecute a bunch of lawyers, and it's a very big part of a plea negotiation and there are various ways you can handle it. i am certain that greg craig, the former white house counsel to president obama, that if a negotiation is going on that may stop an indictment, his law license is very important, because being a lawyer -- look, i think we all know john edwards is not going to be a politician again, but he is interested in practicing law again and that is going to have to be dealt with in any plea negotiations. >> jessica, do we know what time tomorrow we'll learn what's happening? >> it's all very fluid. what is really happening is
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there are going to be meetings. there's no court appearance scheduled. so it's sort of one of these stories that's going to unfold and we will find out as we see people moving and walking. the one thing i would point out there are a lot of nervous politicians as well, anderson. don't forget the democratic national convention is happening in north carolina next year. so it would be a pretty unfortunate picture for the democratic party if you were to have the 2004 vice presidential candidate on trial in the same state that you're having your big celebration for your party convention. i don't think that anybody's worried that john edwards and his future paints the entirety of the democratic party. it kind of reminds people why they don't like politicians these days. but there are a whole lot of people, both close to the edwards family and worried about those kids and worried about the future of the democratic party who are hoping he takes a plea
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deal. >> candy, stick around, more from you in a moment, talking about sarah palin and mitt romney today. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, sarah palin takes her bus tour to new hampshire on the same day mitt romney is there to announce he's running for president. she says it's entirely koins dental. do you believe here? keeping them honest. and another relative of a 13-year-old boy found dead, little hamza, reportedly tortured by the regime. a family member speaking out. remember how hamza al khateeb's father and uncle spoke on state tv yesterday, praising the country's dictator. well, a relative speaking out now has a twist on that story. all of that ahead and more. also, isha sesay has more stories tonight. what are you following? >> major drama in the casey anthony trial today. jurors hear about the incredibly
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governor and vice presidential candidate, created a lot of buzz by just happening to have a spot on her so-called one nation bus tour in new hampshire, where it just so happens mitt romney was making it official. he is seeking the republican nomination for the white house in 2012. on a day when romney planned on grabbing the headlines, palin did him one better and showed up in, you guessed it, new hampshire. palin called it coincidental. maybe we should call it a happy coincidence because it gave her a chance to take serious shots at romney. as for the accusations she attempted to steal the spotlight. here's what she told reporters today. >> if he personally would be offended by me stepping foot in a state that he's in, i wouldn't do it. but i don't believe that governor romney is offended at all. but we happened to have on our schedule a stop to meet the good people and have some good new hampshire food. >> you're not trying to drown him out? >> not at all.
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and if he would be personally offended for me to be in the state, i wouldn't be here. >> today when romney was asked how he felt about palin being there, he said, that's terrific. among the stops, the battlefields of gettysburg, independence hall in philadelphia and the statue of liberty. some say this is one big campaign rollout or one big publicity tour or a way to keep her name in the spotlight. political observers know she started this tour on sunday to raise money before the deadline at the end of june. she says no, that was not part of her agenda. watch. >> it truly isn't the purpose of this trip, is to test the waters or to have some kind of exploratory committee or group going on. no, it's to highlight america's history.
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we're thankful to be able to travel around and remind americans what our foundation is. >> it's a history lesson of sorts she says for all of us. a history lesson not, repeat, not about publicity. >> it's not about me or a publicity speaking tour. >> word of advice, if you're not looking for publicity, you might want to avoid this guy. she had dinner with donald trump in new york city's times square. there are questions about their mode of transportation, the bus itself. palin has an explanation for that, as well. >> this isn't a campaign bus. this is a bus to be able to express to america how much we appreciate our foundation and invite more people to be interested in all that is good about america and remind ourselves we don't need to fundamentally transform america, we need to restore what's good about america. >> not a campaign bus palin says, but it was painted on one side with the words one nation,
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sarah palin. and there's also this, a plug for her sarah pack website. and here's what pops up, a chance to donate to her pac. as we touched on, she took a failed swipe at mitt romney just before he announced his candidacy for the white house in new hampshire. romney himself also took some sharp swipes today at president obama. with all the "raw politics," here's candy crowley. >> reporter: he's the heaviest hitter in the republican field right now, and mitt romney came to play. >> now in the third year of his fourth year term or his four-year term, barack obama has failed america. you know, if you want to create jobs, it helps to actually have had a job. and i have. >> reporter: he excoriated all things obama, foreign and domestic, including the
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president's health care plan, not unlike the one romney signed as governor of massachusetts, an uncomfortable similarity he tossed off in a single line. >> not perfect, but it was a state solution to our state's problem. >> reporter: from hay bails to hot dogs, the trappings were pure americana. on a banner, the words believe in america. >> president obama's european answers are not the solution to america's challenges. >> reporter: romney's economy centered bid comes amidst discouraging headlines. home prices dipping down, a stubborn jobless rate. good timing for an opposition launch. but look who else was in the neighborhood playing rough with the massachusetts health care plan. >> a health care plan, in my opinion, any mandate coming from government is not a good thing. so obviously, and i'm not the only one to say so, but there will be more of the explanation coming from former governor romney.
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>> reporter: sarah palin says it's just a coincidence she arrived in new hampshire in the middle of romney's speech. she insists there's not political about her for ray into this primary state and sees no reason romney should be offended. and he didn't seem to be. >> did you hear sarah palin is in the state today? >> that's terrific. new hampshire is action central today. >> your health care plan won't sit well with the tea party. >> joining me again, candy crowley. also with us tonight, ari fleischer, former white house press secretary for president george bush. ari, does anybody -- do you actually believe that it's just a coincidence that sarah palin ended up in new hampshire today? >> i do think, anderson, that's conceivable. sarah palin is utterly unconventional. you doesn't have your usual
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political people doing her research and what republican candidate would go to new york city or philadelphia as part of the republican primary? if she did do it on purpose, who cares? politics is like that. i think rudy may have been there for that reason. that's part of what happened when you have ten people running for office and a lot will be in iowa and new hampshire at the same time. >> do you believe this isn't about publicity for her or keeping her in the headlines, that this is just a family vacation where he's going around to significant monuments and having pizza with donald trump? >> i think it's impossible to be sarah palin today without getting publicity for virtually anything she does in the public arena. so if she wants to take a tour to visit americana, it's going to happen. unless the day comes she says i'm not running for president, that's when the press will back off of her. that just comes with being sarah palin, no matter what.
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>> candy, do you think it was just a coincidence? >> look, i don't know if it was a coincidence or not. i don't think so. she told folks she was going to come for a clam bake in the evening. it turns out that she showed up in new hampshire in the middle of romney's speech. she was several miles away but nonetheless. and if you want to take a family vacation, you can go in a station wagon and not attract this attention. so this was something she wanted. it's not just that we're following her around. she tweeted it. she's running around in this gigantic bus that says one nation and we the people. so this is not a family vacation she wanted to keep quiet and be a private citizen about. >> i agree with that. but there's no crime in seeking publicity. there's nothing wrong with that. >> no, no. but the question is -- right. >> there's no crime in it.
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but to say that's -- there's no crime it in, but to say you're not doing that, i mean, that sort of raises -- then if you call her on it, then you're the jerk who seems like you're pressuring her. it's one thing to do it, sure. but to say you're not doing it, it sort of seems odd to me. >> i think sarah palin has always had a twisted relationship with the press, and part of the twist is from the press' side and part of it is her giving it right back. so she plays this unconventional game about publicity. but i don't think it's all guile. i think there's a part of it that she says i just want to go on a family vacation and do these things. and because she's proud of america and wants to promote who she is and her pac and she has a bus. and she's going to do things in an up conventional way. i'm still not convinced she's running for president, which is what the real question is here. >> right. candy, you spoke to mitt romney.
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sorry, go ahead, candy. >> reporter: i was just going to say on that score, i spoke to people that came to watch mitt romney that weren't necessarily hadn't signed on to supporting him, who don't believe that sarah palin is going to run. so there's a lot of skepticism out there that she's going to get into this race. i just wanted to button that up. >> why does romney think this time around he will get the nomination when he couldn't four years ago? >> timing is everything. they truly believe inside the romney camp that a year from november, when voters go to the voting booth, there's going to be one thing they're going to vote on, jobs, the economy. jobs insofar as they fit into the economy. he has a business side of his resume that is qualified to go up against the president and say he's gotten too few jobs for us.
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i can solve problems, they describe him as a data geek. he likes to see the numbers and how they add up. so they are selling him as a business side who understands how america works. and he can get america back to work and they just think that the timing is right this time. he is the best known name currently, officially in the race. he has tons of money. he's a very smooth politician and he's learned a lot along the way. they think that his time and his skills match up in this presidential cycle. >> ari, it's still early in the nomination, in the whole cycle of this, and others may still enter the race that we don't know about at this point. where do you see romney in all this and is it going to boil down to the economy and if so, how does that play to romney's strengths? >> one, i don't think there's any front runner, and with this
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many candidates, it's almost anybody's guess who can win with a slender plurality. 19% can get you a win in new hampshire or iowa. mitt romney's strengths are what candy said, but his biggest problem is his flip-flops. when he changed positions on a couple key issues, abortion and gay rights issues from his position as governor to when he ran in 2008. it's a character issue or will he change to shift with the prevailing tides. >> do you think among republican voters that's the bigger issue, rather than his version of medical care, of insurance bills when he was in massachusetts? >> well, that plays into the same thing. who is he and what does he stand for fundamentally? what are his unchanging
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principles that he's walking away from the health care bill on the federal level. it's a hard circle to square. but because the economy is the preeminent issue, he does have a chance to do that. every candidate you'll find both on the republican and democrat side has their balance sheet of pluses and positives and the purpose of the campaign is to emerge with the most positives around that's what this republican field is going to task. i have never seen it so wide open. >> candy crowley, thank you very much. ari fleischer, as well. still ahead, breaking news out of yemen, incredible pictures. new signs that the crisis spiraling out of control, the country edging closer to civil war. the latest on today's bloody street battles ahead. also, the syrian boy that's become a symbol of revolution. hamza ali al khateeb, 13 years old, murdered by the regime, reportedly tortured, mutilated in horrible ways. well, a family member now speaking out about his death and the story the family member is telling is very different than
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his father and uncle told yesterday. and a riveted day in the casey anthony trial as jurors hear the recordings that anthony's lawyers fought to suppress. >> so everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. unless we start getting the truth, [ inaudible ] [ woman speaking chinese ] thank you. do you have an english menu? no english. [ speaking chinese ] [ gasps, speaks chinese ] do you guys like dumplings? i love dumplings. working with a partner you can trust is always a good decision. massmutual --
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what's your story? citi can help you write it. welcome back. we've got more breaking news. a new crackdown in yemen. very disturbing day of violence there. it's friday morning in the capital city. witnesses say gunmen on the street are firing on anti-government protesters and
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there are snipers on roof tops. one protester said it's a very intense scene and fear government troops might arrive any moment. we want to caution you, this isn't something young children should see. take a look. [ gunfire ] >> we found this video on youtube. the injured and dead being carried away. government troops continue to fire on protesters, not even letting them carry away victims. we'll have more on the breaking news out of yemen. and new developments on the 13-year-old syrian boy, hamza.
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we've been following the story for several nights because we think it's important to let the world know what's happening in syria and also what's happened to this boy in particular. representatives of so many who are still in custody and have been killed. 13-year-old hamza used to look like this before he was taken on april 29th. the family didn't know where he was for about 20 days or so. today we learned just what hamza faced during that time from a relative. the relative says that hamza was held at a security forces prison. a family member went to the prison, saw him alive, and well. begged for him to be released. they said come back in two days, but they said security forces were angry they found him and tortured hamza for those two days. when they returned, the relative says security forces said he was at the hospital.
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a warning, the next image you're going to see of hamza is what they saw at the hospital. it's difficult to look at but shows you what the regime reportedly did to him. this is what hamza looked like when he was returned home. multiple gunshot wounds and bruises and reportedly his tee nus cut off. the syrian regime says that never happened. a medical examiner said there was no torture or violence and what you see is the result of a body decomposing. he would only say the boy's death was the result of three gunshot wounds. as for who shot him, no word on that. hamza's family took those images that we showed you, the relative says the night the family got hamza's body, his father was arrested and taken away. and as we reported last night, the father and uncle showed up on syrian state tv, praising syria's president. the first person you see in this video is hamza's father from syrian state television. >> translator: what can i say. best president ever.
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thank god he gave us everything we ever asked for. the first thing is, the president promised us reforms and god willing, they will come soon, tomorrow or the day after. these reforms are for the citizens and we were very happy with the president. the president is very lose to the people and he's offered them a lot and he has said, god willing, he will give even more. >> translator: the syrian nation doesn't care to listen to outside media. we received hamza from the general hospital in daraa. the official report and his picture was written by the attorney general. there were four reports and investigations. the president addressed the committee today to fully investigate the issue in order to get the truth. it's like he's his own son. there's nothing more to say. >> translator: he considers him his son. he wants to be sure of the words we are hearing. >> hamza's relative, who we're
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not naming for that person's protection, says that hamza's father and uncle said all of that because they were threatened, the family was threatened. joining me now is fareed zakaria. not only can a regime like this kill a 13-year-old boy and mutilate and torture him, they can force the family of that boy to even deny what happened to their son. it is a -- it's just a double blow. it's particularly insidious. >> it's completely or wellian, anderson. it is something you couldn't write this in the pages of stalin or hitler. it is precisely this kind of implication, get the victims and their families implicated, force them to confess. these are classic totalitarian methods. this regime is probably the most brutal of all the dictatorships in the middle east. it is trying to force this kind of mass confession in its own
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thuggish behavior. this is a regime, the father of the current president, faced an uprising from an islamic movement about 15 or 20 years ago and killed reportedly 20,000 people and bulldozed the town, bodies and all to destroy the threat. >> reporter: and the frustrating thing for many watch thing around the world is the sense that there's not much that the united states or the international community can do. secretary of state hillary clinton had some of the strongest words. i want to play that for our viewers. >> the legitimacy that is necessary for anyone to expect change to occur under this current government is, if not gone, nearly run out.
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if he cannot end the violence against his own people, take meaningful steps to start a process of reform, then he needs to get out of the way. >> this is a regime which really can hold on for a long time. >> i think it can hold on, unfortunately. it has the army behind it. certainly the officer corps of the army, the assad family comes from a sect that is about 10% of syria, a small sect, regarded by most sunnis as heretical. so they're going to go down fighting and they have the army, they have what money they need, and they can be very broughtal. much more brutal than the egyptian army could ever dream. there are two forms of control in the middle east. one is mass bribery. the other is really brutal mass
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repression. you see that gadhafi sort of tried that. but the syrians are doing that in full force. it is really a testament to the spirit of the syrian people, that despite these incredible crackdowns, these protests keep popping up day after day. >> it's extraordinary, and they're still speaking out. i talk to them almost every night on this program and i find it so moving, their strength and bravery in the face of this slaughter. let's talk about yemen. a very difficult situation in terms of u.s. policy. they now are saying he should step aside. what is going on? we're seeing this country seems like on the brink of civil war. >> that's absolutely right. the immediate danger the united states faces is al qaeda. al qaeda in yemen, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, is
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coming up, another day in the courtroom as the jury in the casey anthony murder trial gets to see jailhouse visits between casey and her family. just the lies she tells her family and law enforcement are simply extraordinary. here she is talking to her brother. >> all i want is to see her again. to hear her laugh, to see her smile. and just to be with our family. t t adwiwiout food al t t adwiwiout food al ♪ ♪
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in "crime and punishment" tonight, another dramatic day of testimony in the casey anthony trial in florida. anthony, of course, is charged with murdering her 2-year-old daughter caylee in 2008. she's also charged with misleading police. and today, jurors got to hear a taped police interview from back in july of 2008. now, on the tape, casey is called out in the lies she told police when they were trying to find her daughter, lie after lie after lie. among other things, she lied about where she worked and where a supposed babysitter lived, zanny the nanny. >> we need to find out from you where caylee is. this right now is just has gone
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so far downhill and become such a mess and we need to end it. >> i agree with you. i have no clue where she is. >> shoe, you do. >> if i knew, this wouldn't have happened at all. >> the caretaker, the nanny, that's not the truth. because we went to the apartment complex. there's no person that lived there by that name. >> jurors got to hear recorded visits casey had with her brother and her parents when she was in jail. but before caylee's body was found. remember, the defense is now saying that caylee was never missing, that she drowned in the family pool and casey and her father covered it up. >> everybody is looking for her. are we going to be able to find her, do you think? >> i hope we can, mom. now, i didn't get a chance to ask lee. can you look up a little bit
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more? raise your eyes up a little bit. there you go. look straight up so i can look into your eyes, darling. thank you. you know i need to do that. it's okay to cry, casey. it's all right. >> earlier i spoke with defense attorney -- actually, i spoke with jean casarez and vinnie. jean, it's remarkable when you hear the series of lies that casey anthony has told. you were in the courtroom. how did the jury react to that? >> they're so intense, anderson. they're not really taking notes at all. they've got their notebooks and pens and pencils. but they have monitors next to them and they are intensely looking at either transcripts, if it's an audio version, or video of casey anthony with her parents and jailhouse visits.
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>> vinnie, how do you think it went for the prosecution today? >> today was a very, very good day, because it was all about the character of casey anthony. this is a woman who it's very clear to everyone now cannot tell the truth. she's just an outright liar. but the other part of it is, she's speaking with her mom, cindy. this jury saw cindy anthony break down on the stand. she's absolutely tortured by the loss of her granddaughter, caylee. and there's casey anthony, who knows that caylee is dead, just lying to her mom. you know, torturing her further. and i've got to think the jury looks at this woman and says she can't tell the truth and doesn't care about her mother, how callous can someone be. and that impact is not going to be lost on this jury, anderson. >> but jean, as you know, being a liar doesn't make you a murderer. in terms of the prosecution's case that they presented so far, what is their strongest evidence? >> well, their strongest evidence i think is yet to come.
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it a es going to be what's in the trunk of that car, allegedly according to the prosecution. we're only hearing that casey anthony had the control, the custody, the possession of that car, and inside the trunk, there is a hair that prosecutors say had the band of decomposition on it from a deceased person, either caylee, casey or cindy and two of them are alive. and also the chloroform, in immense levels according to the foremost expert of decomposing bodies. then you have a silhouette of a smaung young child. >> and vinnie, the prosecution also plaid videos of jailhouse visits by casey anthony's parents. >> you've been a great dad. you've been the best grandfather. don't for a second think otherwise. you and mom have been the best grand parents. caylee has been so lucky. caylee was so lucky to have both
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of you. >> you know, obviously the defense has been trying to portray casey's father as a villain in all this, saying he sexually abused her from age 8. how did this video play? >> well, what's going on here, people are looking at this interaction and if jose baez and casey anthony are accusing george anthony of being this child rapest, there's casey anthony, talking to her dad telling him what a great dad you are. they know she doesn't tell the truth, but that will make them question the allegations of sex abuse by the way she's interacting with her father there. >> it's still though, jean, without an actual cause of death, it still could be a circumstantial case, right? >> exactly. and when you look at the elements of murder, the jury has to say beyond a reasonable doubt that casey anthony caused the death of caylee. how are they going to do that?
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>> vinnie, the defense has added a grief counselor to their list of witnesses. what is that about, trying to explain casey's behavior, the going out and partying in the photographs we see? >> absolutely. this is the hand that the defense has been dealt. they can't get around it. it's so well documented with photographs, videotapes, audiotapes of her lying, and of her out doing things, like getting a tattoo, the beautiful life on her shoulder while she knows her daughter is dead. going out to clubs, ignoring the situation. what they've got to do is give the jury some reason to believe that her daughter is dead, it happened accidently, and she's acting this way not because she's cold, callous, sociopath but because she's someone who has a defense mechanism to deal with strauma. this is how she grieves and reacts when she's in a traumatic situation like being sexually
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abused or the accidental death of her daughter. that's what they'll argue. >> thanks so much. up next, more courtroom drama. jaycee dugard's kidnapper stole her childhood, holding her captive for 18 years. today they found out how much time they'll serve. and new details about the tornado that tore through springfield, massachusetts. [ male announcer ] montgomery and abigail haggins
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