tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 3, 2011 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
>> then of course, there's the tony, as i'm cooking breakfast for my children, asking them to hold it as i pour my coffee. >> have you thought about your speech? >> no, i haven't. >> i don't believe actors when they tell me that. >> it's true. >> it's been a pleasure. here's anderson cooper with "ac 360." thanks, piers. breaking news tonight, new signs tonight that yemen could be on the brink of civil war. [ gunfire ] for weeks we watched demonstrations build, but today the fighting reached the corridors of power. the presidential compound came under attack. sources said rpgs hit the mosque.
the president was injured, a government official says he has a slight head injury but he's not been seen publicly since then. several other officials were also hurt, a cleric and several bodyguards were killed. he claimed the attack on "gangsters and insists he's in good health. [ gunfire ] >> just today, there was gunfire in the streets. this video was posted on youtube.
a youth activist says four anti-government protestors were shot today. government security forces fired at various locations across the city. [ gunfire continues ] >> anti-government protesters throwing rocks as they're reportedly shot at by riot police and unlike many countries in the region, many people have access to weapons in yemen and there are reports that gunmen burned an armored vehicle. in other cities, there was huge crowds gathering, chanting
anti-government slogans. we have seen images like that out of yemen. the president, who has been in power for several decades, agreed several times to resign, only to pull out in the last minute. a short time ago i spoke to an american, a global correspondent in yemen. he saw the attacks on the presidential compound. we had problems with the phone connection, so we decided to add subtitles, because we think it's important to know what's going on. here's the interview. jeb, you were near the presidential compound when the fighting began. what did you see, what did you hear?
>> and where do you see this going, jeb? >> jeb, i appreciate you talking to us. stay safe. jeb said that al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is gaining ground in yemen. this is the same group linked to various plots. i talked about its growing reach in yemen and other concerns with christopher dicky, middle east editor for "newsweek," also fareed zakaria, host of "gps" here on cnn and editor at large for "time" magazine. from a security stand point, what is yemen in crisis mean? it seems like it's on the brink of civil warp. >> it looks like it's on the brink of going from a fragile state to a failed state and many multiple civil wars.
that's close to disastrous from an american point of view. that's the kind of situation that al qaeda and other groupks take advantage of. you have a vacuum of power, a place that the u.s. can't reach into very easily. and the next thing you know, we're looking at another somalia or afghanistan. >> the dictator has -- or the president has often said, like a lot of dictators in the region, he's the only bullwert against al qaeda. >> there's no question that al qaeda is the strongest islamist movement directed at america, other than the one in pakistan. and it is quite sophisticated. so remember the last attack, which were those bombs in the printer cartridges. that was actually quite sophisticated. that was not just a guy trying to light his shoes or set off
his underwear. this was a pretty sophisticated bomb making technique. and to your point, anderson, the president is now withdrawing all his forces from the peripheral parts of yemen, consolidating power. but in a sense, he's ce d'ing ground to al qaeda. the people taking over are al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. so he's presenting the world and yemen with a stark choice. which is if i go at this point, do you really want the country to go to al qaeda? >> and they're actually kind of very creative in their terror. it's not going for what al qaeda central wanted, which was huge 9/11 style attacks, it's much more -- smaller attacks, but they seem much more kind of aggressive about it. >> much more imaginative. on the one hand, they're willing to go for much smaller targets
than osama bin laden was willing to go for. they'll just try and take out one airplane with a guy who can blow up his underwear or try to take out the head of security in saudi arabia or they'll send these printer cartridges that will basically paralyze international air freight for several days. so they'll do these imaginative things. even when they fail to do off, they say look what we were able to do. he is a great publicist and good terrorist, and he's been very successful at that. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is a small organization, at most a few hundred people. the u.s. invested a lot of time and effort in working with counterterror and intelligence forces in yemen. of course, what's happening now is that we're flying blind, because those forces, as fareed was suggesting, those forces are now concentrating on keeping him in power or keeping their own. >> if it becomes a failed state,
already large parts of the country are beyond government control or very limited government control, then what? they become as a more efficient somalia? >> then we have a real mess on our hands. there's also a risk of a lot of displaced people. this is a country running out of money and water. it's running out of fuel and everything. it's certainly running out of order. you could just have an enormous imploding population, 24 million people with no place to go and nothing to do. >> all this turmoil in the middle east, there are two places you need to worry about for americans particularly. saudi arabia because of the oil, and yemen because of al qaeda. so now instability in yemen has the potential to cause instability in saudi arabia, and
with instability in saudi arabia, you get $250 a barrel oil. >> what the u.s. seems to be doing is broker an exit strategy for the yemen president. but then what? >> we go in to broker an exit strategy and this is what the ambassador tried at one point with mubarak in egypt. then there's this back pedaling. you go away and they don't leave, they stay. he can't imagine yemen without him and he can't imagine himself without yemen. >> all these people start to believe they are the country. >> exactly. >> and also there's a web of corruption beyond them. it's the family, so they cut a deal which gets -- maybe the president gets a nice villa in the south of france, but all the others say what about us? and then they refuse to do it. so much of what seems to be happening here, there are so many competing factions at this
point. the government doesn't even control that much of the territory anymore any way. so if he leaves, say the vice president becomes president, you still face the two rebellions, the al qaeda problem, the fact that there is an economy in freefall, all that still remains. >> the saudis, the americans, everybody who is interested in yemen has been working very hard now for months to make a transition, a smooth transition, and every time we've come close, he's backed away. so ultimately he's creating a situation where there cannot be a smooth transition and we're just about at that point. >> thank you very much. let us know what you think about it all on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, john edwards indicted. we'll talk with joe johns today. also tonight, did you see
what happened in the courtroom today in the casey anthony trial? she's accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter. her lawyers say her little girl drounled and they covered it up. either way, casey anthony has been spinning a we believe of lies to cops and her family. she made up a story about a nanny that never existed. we'll show you conversations where the lies flow freely. casey anthony is claiming her father sexually abused her and her lying is a reaction to that abuse. the videos shown in court seem to show their relationship was a good one. >> i miss you, sweetie. >> i know that. i miss you, too. >> i wish i could have been a better dad and better grandfather, you know? >> you've been a great dad and you've been the best grandfather. don't for a second think otherwise. also, isha is following some other stories tonight. bloodshed in syria. a grim milestone, a new report
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at the possibility of 30 years in prison. today, a grand jury hit edwards with a six-count indictment, charging him with conspiracy, making false statements and breaking campaign laws, because he accepted more than $900,000 in an attempt to cover up his affair with that woman, rielle hunter. i want you to listen carefully to the words he used in his brief statement today. >> there's no question that i've done wrong, and i take full responsibility for having done wrong. and i will regret for the rest of my life the pain and the harm that i've caused to others. but i did not break the law, and i never ever thought i was breaking the law. >> the last phrase, i never, ever thought i was breaking the law. first, the story of how the sex,
the lies and the video and supermarket tabloids brought down a man who thought he could be president of the united states. here's tom foreman. >> reporter: 2006 was big for john edwards. he launched his bid for the white house, had already hired rielle hunter to shoot campaign videos and his private life started falling apart. >> i wrote my speech out, by the way. it's a great speech. >> can you read it? >> yes,ky read it. >> reporter: that's hunter's voice on one of her videos posted on youtube. the former "spiritual adviser and astrologist" was being paid more than $100,000 to produce these so-called webbisodes. she later told "newsweek" right away she could feel edwards' special energy. the relationship was born. but that aide, andrew young,
says the sleepovers with the senator began even before she was hired. >> as a result, there was a biopsy done. >> by next spring, 2007, edwards and his wife announce her breast cancer has returned. but soon hunter has news, too. she is pregnant. the denials begin. the story is false, edwards tells reporters who suspect an affair. untrue, ridiculous. on a website, hunter calls it dirty politics. by mid december, the national enquirer has a photo of her pregnant. andrew younger shoes a statement saying he is the father. edwards knew nothing. but as 2008 dawns and edwards drops if the race, rielle hunter gives birth to a girl. "the enquirer" reports seeing edwards at a los angeles hotel visiting the baby. the questions heat up. >> have you or anyone affiliated with your presidential campaigned provided any financial help to rielle hunter or andrew young.
>> i have no idea what you're asking about. i have responded to consistently to these tabloid allegations by saying i don't respond to these lies. >> reporter: then in august 2008, "the enquirer" publishes a photo they claim was edwards with hunter and the baby. he goes on abc news to admit he cheated on his wife. >> she's mad, she's angry. i think furious would be a good way to describe it and it was hard and painful for her. but she responded exactly like the kind of woman she is. she forgave me. >> reporter: he still denied being the father of the child or hired hunter because of the affair. it takes another year and a half before edwards admits the child is his.
coming clean in a written statement. within a week, he and his wife of 32 years separate. tom foreman, cnn. >> joe johns went down to north carolina for edwards' court hearing today and joins us with jeffrey toobin. jeff, let's talk about the words that edwards used. why were you saying that's so important. >> because this is what's called a specific intent crime. this is a crime that you're only guilty of if you intend to violate the law. if you are speeding, the cop doesn't care if you didn't intend to speed, you're guilty. but in this, you have to intend to violate the campaign laws by getting this money to rielle hunter through these two very rich people. and he's saying look, i knew they were giving her the money, but i wasn't thinking about campaign finance laws, i was thinking about protecting my wife from this embarrassing situation.
that's what he's saying. >> that's why the intention is so important? >> correct. >> if anyone says he's very wealthy, why wouldn't he have just given her money directly? >> if you believe that part of this whole ruse was to keep the fact of the child from his wife, she would notice $900,000 was missing. >> joe, were you in the courtroom today? >> reporter: i sure was. it's pretty interesting, too. >> yeah, what was it like? >> reporter: well, the first thing i thought of, he's the last man standing in the 2008 presidential race for the democratic nomination. and now he's standing up court. he answered a bunch of questions, most of them yes, sir, i understand, i understand. yes, sir. and at one point, he got a little bit annoyed. he's a big-time trial lawyer, got a little annoyed it seemed at a question.
i understand, you know, i'm an attorney. didn't say much more than that. the most interesting thing i thought was the conditions of release. he got released on his own recognizance and told, you know, stay in the united states, surrender your passport. and then told to stay away from rachel bunny melon, that 100-year-old philanthropist who apparently kicked in hundreds of thousands of dollars to try to keep this whole affair quiet. and that, i guess, at least in part, is because he went to see her a week or two ago, and there was a whole uproar over that, anderson. >> that was so weird that he went to see her. here she is, obviously a very key witness in this case, if she can even show up for the trial. she is 100 years old. and the other person who provided the money, fred barren, he's dead. so out of all the people in the world, he would go see her right
before the indictment raises questions. and also, if you were trying to negotiate a plea bargain with the prosecutors, they are going to be pissed off if queue go see the key witness. i can't imagine what he was thinking. >> he's also fighting to keep his law license. >> very important. and that is something when you negotiate a plea bargain with a lawyer, that is a critical issue. there are various ways to structure a plea bargain, to keep a law lie sense or make sure it's gone. if he's convicted, it's gone. >> joe, there was that whole thing of an alleged sex tape. where is that? does that play into this at all? >> reporter: i don't think it really play suppose this, other than it just sort of adds to the lurid kind of sorted nature of the whole story. apparently, there was a sex tape, a tape of he and rielle hunter having sex, and that tape ended up in the hands of andrew
young, who is sort of the guy who worked for edwards and ended up writing the book telling this entire story. that was turned over to the court. a lawsuit actually filed to try to certainly keep it from public view. but no, i don't think that necessarily is a part of this. it seems pretty well established that they've had sex. >> you think a tape that may play in this is the interview he gave to abc news. >> to bob woodruff. >> which he continued to lie and claim that the child was not his. >> i think it's incredibly important, because one of the key issues in this trial will be, does john edwards take the witness stand. and if he does, you can be sure on his direct testimony he'll be very honest -- appear very honest and forthright. he's a got speaker, he's a successful politician. but he's now open to cross-examination, where they play that tape where he will presumably be just as persuasive
and say, you lied on national television about this, even while you were confessing. i think that's a very damning tape. >> how tough a case is it though, for the government? >> it's also problematic for the government, because no one has ever been prosecuted, as far as i'm aware or anyone is aware, for a campaign violation of this kind. because the money -- this is all rooted in the rule that says you can only give $2,300 to a primary campaign and they gave almost a million dollars. >> couldn't bunny melon just say, i gave it because i knew he was in a bind and i wanted to help him protect his wife, who i cared about, so i wasn't giving it to the campaign? >> she certainly could say that. there is a note of hers quoted in the indictment where she talks about spending money for the campaign. that's problematic for them, and
it's also -- even if she intends that it's for his benefit, the government may argue that a reasonable observer would find this a campaign contribution. all of this is murky. in a case where you have to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt, legal murkiness is a good defense. in washington, -- >> the revealing and disturbing jailhouse conversations of a mom accused of killing her little girl. >> we need to have something to go on. >> mom, i don't have anything. i'm sorry. i've been here a month today. do you understand how i feel? i mean, do you really understand how i feel in this? i'm completely, completely out of the loop with everything.
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in "crime and punishment" tonight, the murder trial that has attention focused on a florida courtroom. testimony in the casey anthony trial today focused on forensic evidence with investigators on the stand. one talked about the smell in anthony's car, describing it as an odor of human decomposition. earlier in the day, jurors got to hear more of the conversations that anthony had with her parents, and it's these tapes and police interrogations that painted a very disturbing picture of this young woman. whether she killed her 2-year-old daughter or whether caylee drowned and casey was covering it up, her behavior is confounding.
her behavior isn't what one would expect from a murderer or a grieving mom. what she's doing is spinning a web of lies, inventing people, places, phone numbers, addresses. a fascinating drama. look at this, people trying to get into the courtroom in the morning, almost stampeding trying to get inside. we'll hear from dr. drew and jean casarez in a moment. but first, here's a look at some of casey's lies caught on tape. for a ninth day, jurors heard how casey anthony created elaborate lies surrounding the disappearance of her 2-year-old daughter, caylee. but in recordings played in court, detectives believed she wasn't telling the truth. >> everything you've told me is a lie, correct? >> not everything.
>> prosecutors say anthony misled everyone every step of the way. in this recording with her parents, anthony goes into great deal about someone she calls zanny the nanny. no such nanny existed. >> they never searched by her full name. zenaida. i know she went by both last names, she always had. >> victor and gloria are her parents. >> i know she has a lot of money. she has his last name. and her mother's last name. >> he adopted her? >> he adopted her. he legally adopted her, yes. >> i thought she said zanny had a sister. >> her sister's name is samantha. >> samantha is a student? >> yes. >> is she older or younger? >> older. >> in another visit with her brother lee, he pressed where he should search for clues for his niece?
>> where should i focus the search? we're reaching out to people. >> check things locally, in all honesty. places that are familiar to us. >> in the videos, she often fantasizes about the return of her daughter. >> i told you in my gut i know she's still okay. i can feel it, mom. i know she's still okay. we're going to get our little girl back and she's going to be just as she was. >> on this visit in august 2008, she gets agitated with her parents when they press her for details. >> we need to have something to go on. >> mom, i don't have anything, i'm sorry. i've been here a month. i've been here a month today. do you understand how i feel? i'm completely, completely out
of the loop with everything. >> but that was not exactly the case. for an entire month, anthony did not report caylee's disappearance. instead, she hung out with friends, went shopping and hit the night clubs. last week, the defense claimed that caylee drowned in the family pool and anthony and her father covered up the death. an interesting take, considering this response from anthony talking to her parents in august of 2008. >> someone just said caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool. that's the newest story out there. >> surprise, surprise. >> someone just sent me some of the stuff that's been online. >> her father denied involvement in his testimony last week. the defense says thomt's compulsive lying is the result of her trying to conceal her pain, something she's learned to do after being sexually abussed by her father. >> i miss you, sweetie. >> i know that.
i miss you, too. you've been a great dad and the best grandfather. you and mom have been the best grandparents. caylee has been so lucky. >> as another investigator took to the stand today to talk about what he smelled in anthony's car -- >> professionally speaking, my opinion is that it was the smell of human decomposition. >> it increasingly appears as though casey anthony's web of lies is unraveling fast. earlier i spoke with jean casarez and dr. drew pinski. jean, you were in the courtroom today. we heard more of these recorded conversations between casey and her parents. again, just lie after lie after lie. how is the jury reacting? >> they're take thing evidence very seriously, anderson. but i think what's interesting is the main lie we heard in the videotape today was casey
saying, i know caylee is alive. i know it's just a matter of time we will all be together again. and the defense theory is she drowned in the swimming pool, so casey knew she had to be dead. >> regardless of who's right in this, the prosecution or the defense, we know that at this point, these are lies and she knew her child was dead at that point. >> exactly. and you see her mother grieving. i mean, uncontrollably grieving and asking casey for leads, where can we look and find her. casey seems to get angry and upset at it. so this is strong evidence for the prosecution. >> dr. drew, when you look at these videos, you've done therapy with clients, you've seen people probably lie to you. what do you see and hear when you hear her spinning these stories, which we know are not true? >> you're absolutely right, anderson. the only thing we've seen in
this case is lying, lying, lying, lying, lying. the attorneys i've spoken to believe that particularly some of the tapes they watched today damage her case. >> does somebody have to believe what they're saying is true in order to lie like that? >> in my experience, people that lie like that, you're very much right, in order to lie with this degree of conviction, you kind of have to really believe what you're saying. now, the question here though, is he a premedicated cunning cold blooded killer, a criminal trying cover for herself, is she a sexual abuse survivor who has disassociated and doesn't know what she's doing or has a long history of lying trying to protect a terrible, terrible accident? >> jeenl, this sexual abuse allegation that has been made against casey's father as part of her defense, has anything been presented about that? he's denied it when he was on the stand. >> there's no corroboration, never was a health professional
called in. there are some jailhouse letters that casey wrote and in those she wrote that her brother, lee, had walked into her room when she was younger, shinled a flashlight in her eyes and when she woke up and said she woke up and her bra was unhooked. >> anderson, let me just say that if somebody is going to be so severely sexually abused that they end up, you know, really not having any appreciation of right or wrong or lying the way we see her lying and to be able to use people and exploit them the way we have seen her do, if that were to happen, if you were to lay that at the feet of sexual abuse, it would have to be severe sexual abuse. they've described nothing like that so far.
>> jean, once the defense puts on its case, will they have to call casey to the stand? if there's no physical evidence of abuse or no record of it, it would have to be her testimony that it came from. >> that's a great point, because they're going to want instruction to go to the jury on this. the judge is going to look for evidence. here's the thing. if she puts her hand on the bible and swears to tell the truth, is the jury going to believe her? if they don't believe her, then they may really dislike her, hate her, and then if there's a penalty phase, what are they going to recommend for her, life or death? so it's a tough decision. >> dr. drew, i want to play just a piece of the conversation casey had when she was in custody, allegedly about this nanny, this nanny who is -- well, let's play it. >> i know she went by both last names, she always had. >> i thought you said zanny had a sister.
>> her sister's name is samantha. >> she described the name, what how she wore her hair, she had similar details about zanny's roommates and co-workers. none of these people existed. my own little theory about zanny the nanny is zanny is a sort of street name for xanex. we've heard these alleged testimony out there. zanny the nanny becomes even more condemning evidence for her. >> there was testimony today about a hair found in the vehicle. what's the significance of that, jean? >> this is big, because the car, the trunk of the car that casey operated, she had control of, prosecutors say one of those hairs had the banding showing decomposition, that it was on the scalp of a decomposing body.
they did dna testing and it can only be from caylee, casey or cindy. and two of the three are alive. caylee is not. and so the prosecution is going to say that shows that the body of caylee was in the trunk of casey's car. the defense will counter that saying it's not a decomposing hair at all. >> i watched the defense today cross examining one of the crime scene investigators who testified that he smelled death in the vehicle. they didn't make much of a dent, though, in his testimony. >> no, and you know, anderson, they saved tin cans filled with that air and they want that jury to smell -- they want to open up a can and they want the jurors to smell the smell of decomposition. >> dr. drew, thanks. jean casarez, thanks so much. >> you're welcome.
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big apple circus. >> wow, cool. who is this? >> this is daisy. >> wow. that's amazing. and who's this? >> this is rob. rob is the juggling clown. >> thank you very much. wow. >> please be seated. >> wow. >> so we brought you a cake. we know these are your favorite. >> these are cream puffs from -- where are they from? >> i have no idea. >> what is it? >> i love that there's a pony with a dog. >> i would like the pony to do his trick one more time. >> yeah. courtesy of the big apple circus. there we have it. >> ahhh. amazing. i got to say, i knew there was something up when i came in and
there was a huge carpet on the floor. but then i talked to my executive producer and he swore to me that there was no surprise and i should work on the "ridicu-list" and i spent the last 20 minutes working on the "ridicu-list." >> i'm ridiculous. >> we have it all for you on "ac 360." >> clowns kind of scare me. >> really? >> i love that there's a pony with a dog on it here. i just find this among the more surreal moments of my life. >> we would like you to blow out your candles, of course. >> thank you very much. >> grab all your gear and come over here. >> i'm going to make a wish. >> okay. yeah! [ applause ] >> thank you very much. thank you. how you got a pony with a dog into the building without me knowing --
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