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announcement to a primetime audience last night, the fact that he will begin that drawdown by the end of this year. 10,000 troops will be leaving afghanistan by the end of next summer, and an additional 23,000 troops will be out of afghanistan by the end of next summer, but he said the job isn't finished. there will still be about 70,000 troops remaining in afghanistan. the president there in f-drum, new york, wrapping up, and welcome back here. hour two of cnn newsroom. i'm brooke baldwin. quite a busy afternoon for you and a busy day here. i want to get to a trial that many of you have been following out of orlando, florida, and it's significant today. you're looking at live pictures here of casey anthony. she is on trial for the murder of her 2-year-old daughter caylee. she faced the death penalty. if she is convicted. right now we want to take you live because her mother, cindy anthony, has now taken the stand. >> if those computer entries were made, then i made them. i was home. i know i took some hours off
during that week. it was casey's birthday and it was my anniversary, and did i go home earl' couple of days. >> now you have to work at 7:30 to 5:00 typically? >> my hours are whatever i make them to be. i had to be there at least from 8:30 to 5:00, and then my hours got extend ed within two hours - excuse me, within two weeks after i started working. the hours got extended to 5:30, so when i signed up, it was from 8:30 to 5:00, but after i got hired, it was from 8:30 to 5:30, and i would always come a minimum of a half hour prior to and stay as long as i needed to. >> all right. so it's your testimony today that it's possible that you were home on that day, even though your work records reflect something differently, that's correct? >> asked and answered. >> overruled.
>> is that correct. >> yes. >> even though your work records suggest or establish that you were working on march 21st of 2008, is it your testimony in front of this jury that you were home between 2:16 and 2:28 p.m.? >> it's possible. i mean -- >> were you or weren't you? >> that day -- >> asked and answered. >> overruled. >> the only thing that triggers that day for me is those computer entries. it was not a traumatic day for me, like the last three years, so i can't tell you exactly what time i went home. if i had access to my work computer, could i tell you when i left that day. >> have you looked in the last three years to determine what time you went home on march 17th of 2008? >> i have not been to work since july -- july 15th of 2008. i never returned back to my employer.
>> do they still exist? >> yes, they do. >> if you wanted to, you could go and find out if in fact you left work on march 17th of 2008, even though your records reflect that you didn't. >> no, i don't think so. >> they won't let you in the door? >> no, that's not the reason. the reason is because i had a working password and i was an employee, and only i would know through my e-mails what time i left, and no one had a password to my e-mails, and i'm sure all those things have been lost by now. >> you're guessing? >> no, i'm not guessing. >> let me ask you this. on friday, march -- >> can they allow the witness to complete their answer. >> did you complete your answer? >> no, i did not. >> complete your answer, ma'am. >> we had several passwords to get in a our computer. i had at least two log-in
passwords to my computer that only i had access to. it was against policy to give your passwords to even your supervisor. i also had a computer access -- i mean, access password to my e-mails, and, again no, one was allowed to get into my e-mails except me, and those computer passwords expire every 30 days. without me being there to put in my old password to create a new one, no one would be able to get into my passwords. >> do you have knowledge as to whether or not your company backs up your e-mails? >> i don't know if they would still have them three years from now because the reason i say that is because our e-mails had a memory that only lasted so long, and it depended on how much was in there if we deleted them or not. >> my question was do you have knowledge as to whether or not your former employer backed up
their e-mails on a regular basis? >> again, it would depend on the length of time that those e-mails were there. one office that i worked at, our -- our company was nationwide. we were in 40 some states, and in each state there was many, many gentiva locations. ours was just one. the capacity that each office could hold was a little bit, and every day we generated referrals which came as e-mails for our patients, not counting the e-mails that i would get from other employees in the office and my staff, so there is only a capability that the computer could store those, so i do not believe that the company would still have the ones from three years ago. it would be virtually impossible to keep everybody's as a backup. >> all right. you were aware of the fact that these computers searches were an issue as early as august or
september of 2008, correct? >> no. the first time i found out about the computer searches was with detective allen coming to my house and asking why casey might perform those searches, and i was -- >> when was that? >> that was prior to casey's arrest on check charges. >> all right. so this would have been in september of 2008? >> whatever date that was, yes. >> all right. i take it that you did not tell them that you made those searches, correct? >> i did -- i did tell law enforcement. in fact, i told you during my deposition in 2009 that i made those searches. >> you told me at your deposition that you searched for chlorophyll, correct? >> yes. >> and you spelled chlorophyll
for me. >> yes. >> do you recall that? >> yes. >> do you recall denying that you made any searches for how to make chloroform? >> i didn't look how to make chloroform. i looked up chloroform, and i believed we talked about. >> did you input into a google search engine -- >> excuse me. i would ask that the witness be allowed to complete her answer before being interrupted by the prosecutor. >> mam, did you finish answering your question? >> i can't remember. if she would reask the question, if she would read back what i said i might know if i had something else that i had to say. >> okay. madam court reporter, read back the last question and the last portion of miss anthony's answer to her and wait until she tells you to go ahead, miss anthony. >> do you recall denying that you made any searches for how to make chloroform? answer, i didn't look up how to
make chloroform. i looked up chloroform. >> yes, i looked up chloroform, and the -- when you look up chloroform, you don't have to look up how to make it on there. it tells you what the chains are. >> all right. you testified in the past that you looked up chlorophyll. >> objection. >> correct? >> improve impeachment. >> overruled. >> correct? >> correct. at the same time i looked up chloroform. >> you suggested that the google search engine asked you if you wanted to change the spelling of chlorophyll when you made this search, correct? >> correct. >> because you spelled chlorophyll wrong. >> correct. >> did you input the words into the google search engine how to make chloroform? >> i don't recall putting in how
to make chloroform, but i did google search chloroform, and we talked about it in my deposition. >> the question is, and it's a yes or no, did you type in to the search bar on google how to make chloroform? >> objection. the question has been asked and answered twice. >> overruled. >> did you type those words into the search bar on google? >> i don't recall typing in how to make chloroform. i recall typing in the word chloroform. >> do you recall denying that you searched for self-defense? >> yes, i did not search for self-defense. >> household weapons? >> i did not search for household weapons. >> neck breaking. >> i did not search for neck breaking, but i do recall that there was a pop-up that was showing a youtube regarding a
skateboarder that was skateboarding on rails, like if you're going -- like a turnstile type rail if you're going into some place and the skateboarder, and i recall it saying a neck-breaking feat. >> is this something that you're recalling now that you've changed your medications since july of 2009? >> again, it's not -- >> yes? >> no. i recalled that at the time, but you didn't ask me to -- >> okay. >> i answered your questions specifically at that time, but my memory is better than it was when i had my deposition in 2009. >> yes, ma'am. did we cover whether or not you did a search for the word shovel? >> no. i wouldn't need to look up the word shovel. >> all right. on march 17th, did you look up the word inhalation?
>> probably. the search i did that day i also searched regarding -- yes. >> is this something that you've recalled since july of 2009, since your medication has been changed? >> i recall doing that because of the -- because of the e-mail that i got regarding the effects of a child ingesting hand sanitizer because of the alcohol content. that's why i looked up alcohol and those items because it triggered me to look up other household contents near caylee. we searched aceton sgle what
search engine do you use? >> whatever is on the computer, whether it's google or yahoo!. >> what browser? >> i'm not even sure what you're referring to. >> okay. when you turn that computer on, which profile do you use? >> the computer -- our home computer, the desktop, we left on pretty much 100% of the time. it was rarely shut down, so usually if i had to go on, we just -- it was already on. all we had to do is just refresh it. >> all right. so are you testifying you don't know which profile you used? >> profile regarding -- >> there are only two profiles on your computer, do you know that? >> are you talking about my laptop or the desktop? >> we're talking exclusively about the desktop.
there's a user profile and there's a casey profile. there's usually an icon, when you turn it on and you pick one. do you recall that? >> i don't recall having to do that on my desktop. on my laptop, yes, there was two. >> so on the desktop you would not have entered a password, correct? >> we did not have a password on our desktop. >> okay. did you do searches for making weapons out of household products? >> no. >> chloroform habit? >> chloroform habit. >> not in evidence. >> there's already been testimony about this, your honor. >> overruled. >> chloroform habit? >> i've never heard that come up before. >> chloro and the number 2, was
that numbyou? >> chloro 2? >> i don't know. i know there's chlorophyll 1 and 2. >> okay. were you on druglibrary.org? >> oh, all the time. >> instructibles.com. >> don't know. >> cy before spot.com/chloroform. >> i don't know if it came up that way. >> were you on that website 84 times? >> i was on it several times. >> were you on that website 84 times? >> i don't know. i don't know. they need to look up how many times i was on the chlorophyll website and compare it to the chloroform website. >> did you do 84 searches for the effects of chlorophyll on your animals? >> i didn't do 84 searches of anything, but i don't know what my computer does while it's running. >> okay.
in march of 2008, you did not have a myspace account, correct? >> no, i did not. >> did you have facebook? >> no, i did not. >> if i may show and publish state's 80 for identification, your honor. >> you may. can you see that? >> yes, ma'am. >> where's this stain that was in the car when you purchased it in 2000? >> the stain was somewhere up in he here. >> i'm sorry. let me clear that because i think i took it away too fast.
the stain was up in the top section near the letter "b?" >> closer to the letter "b" than the letter "a" and the dryer sheet in back. >> yes. >> i have no other questions of mrs. anthony. thank you, your honor. >> redirect? >> mrs. anthony, i got a little confused. i want to make sure. the password protection was on your work computer, correct? >> i had password protection on my work computer. >> but as far as your desktop at home, there's no password for that? >> no. >> would you ever go on the computer after casey would use
it? >> the computer was left on all the time, so a lot of times i'd come home and casey would be on the computer, and would i ask her if i could get on for a few minutes. >> and all this stuff about chlorophyll and chloroform, had you told the prosecutors about that back in 2009, did you not? >> yes, did i. >> and this is nothing new? >> no, it's not. >> i would object to him leading. >> is this anything new? >> sustained as to leading. rephrase your question. >> is this testimony anything new? >> no, sir. i did tell the detectives, and i did tell the state's attorneys' office about the searches, and they knew that i searched for chlorophyll as well. >> no further questions. >> any additional questions? may the witness stand down? >> yes, sir. >> thank you, ma'am. you may stand down. >> thank you.
>> so you've been listening to cindy anthony, mother of casey anthony facing murder charge there as she's walking away from the witness box in this courtroom. back and forth, both with prosecution and defense there, essentially very much so honing in on this computer. she had a work computer at her home where her daughter casey lived and, of course, little caylee as well. questioning about search terms and google, chloroform, chlorophyll, self-defense, household weapons, hydrogen peroxide, back and forth there with cindy anthony as they are trying to determine if in fact perhaps that might have been cindy or casey searching for those items. many, many questions abound with regard to what happened to that 2-year-old little girl caylee anthony. "cnn newsroom" will be right back. claar
expenses and other information. read and consider it carefully before investing. all right. welcome back, everyone. want to pick up this story. a group of flight attendants may file a lawsuit over a pilot's rant over his co-workers. played this piece of sound for youier. the replay is coming, but suffice it to say that several air traffic controllers and crews on other planes overheard this pilot's homophobic, sexist rant on an open mike in the cockpit. so now, the southwest flndants union might be filing a workplace discrimination suit. the pilot apologized, was disciplined, but i want you to listen. if you haven't heard t.listen with me.
if you have, listen to it again here. weave believed out a couple of words but you can still hear why his comments were considered so offensive. >> well, i had two turns in indy, all four weeks. and chicago crews, 11 out of 12. there's 12 flndants, individuals, never same the same flndant twice. 11 [ bleep ] over the top. 11 bleep over the top homosexuals and a granny. think of that. 11. i thought i was in chicago which was party land. after this it was just a continuous stream of gays and grannies and grandees. i don't give a [ bleep ]. i hate 100% of them, so six months i went to the bar three times. in six months three times. one with the granny and the
[ bleep ], and i warren i hadn't gone. the granny and two girls, one of them that was probably doable, but we ended up going to the bar and then to the crew room in st. louis, and all these two women wanted to do is one wanted to berate her sister and the other one [ bleep ] her husband, literally. for three hours, when we got back to our room it was like why the [ bleep ] did i go. >> information is transmitting. watch what you're saying. >> you know what i mean? i wouldn't want anybody to know if i had banged them. it was a total disaster for six months. now i'm back in houston which is easily one of the ugliest bases. all these [ bleep ] old dudes and grannies, and there's like maybe a handful of cute chicks. >> someone's got a stuck mike and telling us all about their endeavors. we don't need to hear that. >> houston, sky west, houston 5,
195. that was not us. >> sky west 6285, center, climb. maintain flight level 360. >> they wonder why airline pilots have a bad reputation. >> 2-8, contact fort worth center. >> 3-1. >> number 7 bravo, maintain 5420. >> and it wasn't us either. >> roger. i didn't think that was you. >> southwest vice president chuck mcgill is apologizing about that incident. he says the airline has taken steps to correct the situation. >> what he said is offensive and inconsistent with the professional behavior and overall respect we require from all employees. we've disciplined him. we've suspended him, and he's
taken additional diversity and inclusion training to reinforce the company's expectation he show respect and treat all with dignity. >> that pilot was suspended without pay. he is now back on duty. we do not know what kind of reception he's getting from his co-workers though, especially in that houston base. flight attendants here none too pleased that southwest suspended this pilot without pay and that the same pilot is back on the job. they are considering a lawsuit against the airline for workplace discrimination, and i have the head of the transportation workers union which represents, by the way, southwest 9,400 flight attendants. tom mcdaniel, thanks so much for coming on. before we talk about this possible lawsuit here, can i just get your quick reaction to that -- that rant. >> well, i was really disappoint that had my co-workers were being talked about in that way, and i was certainly disappoint that had that was coming from one of our pilots who we depend on every day to keep us safe. >> tom, your union is
considering a lawsuit. can you define considering for me? >> well, the statement that we've made is we're investigating a possible eeoc complaint, but what we've also said is that we feel like this would be a better opportunity for our union, our entire xp to sit down with our company and work through this the way that we've always been able to and make sure that every employee at southwest airlines is respected and accepted for the incredible job that we do every day. we would much rather sit down with our company and make sure that this is resolved and it never happens again. >> okay. let's talk about some sort of resolution. we know that southwest, they have apologized. they are calling this an isolated incident. the pilot went through sensitivity training. he's now back. that may or may not be good enough for you. i'm hearing it may not be. what do you want to have happen here? >> well, with this particular pilot, obviously the company has done what we feel is appropriate, and we would certainly never even pretend that this is every pilot.
most of our pilots are very professional, and they are some of the best workers that i know. but we know this doesn't happen with every pilot, but we do want to make sure that every time that it does happen that it's addressed appropriately. like i said, that our employees can go to work and can feel valued for the quality of their work and not any negative perceptions that people might is there about them. >> tom, should the pilot be flying? >> that's not a decision for me to make. my responsibility is to make sure that every employee at southwest airlines feels valued. i hope we can sit down with the company and not sweep this kind of discrimination under the rug and make sure to arrest it so that no employee has to go to work and be subjected to those attitudes. >> you do represent this union. as we mentioned, several thousand of these flight attendants, specifically with southwest. how have they been reacting to this piece of sound? >> well, our flight attendants have -- have had a reaction, you know, that they are very hurt
and they are very angry. i think they are angry on a couple of else. they are angry that that kind of language could be used and now that our company is being subjected to this kind of scrutiny, and i think that they would also like to see the company step up and be more proactive and just make sure that we're making sure that things like this don't happen again. we don't believe in going to court every time we have some kind of a dispute. we've talked a lot about this issue, but i think the most important talking is not going to be about it but to each other about how to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> tom mcdaniel, let us know if you do finally decide to file suit. several would like to report on that. tom, thank you. >> thank you. it is a busy afternoon here on several fronts. folks talking oil, war, debt. let's just say the president, he's getting it from all sides now, so what is his secretary of state talking about when she uses the phrase diplomatic surge in afghanistan. we're going to check in with dill doherty there at the state department right after this quick break.
the vice president, joe biden. the sessions they have been working hard to reduce the deficit. keep in mind here the clock is ficking on when they have to make a call onration the debt ceiling. that deadline is august 2nd. today, top republicans, you have eric cantor and jon kyl, they dropped out of the talks. they say the democrat calls for more stimulus measures simply won't pass through congress, and then there's this. that announcement that the administration will release 30 million barrels from the strategic oil reserve. that is stoking the debate on america's energy policy this afternoon. add to that the president's plan that he announced last night to bring 10,000 troops home by the end of this year from afghanistan. now, his defense secretary, also his joint chiefs chair, even his top commander on the ground there, david petraeus who by the way is about to be confirmed really any time now, this afternoon the head of the cia, they have all shared concerns about the president's timetable for a drawdown. and then there are the words of
his secretary of state who says, like it or not, we are negotiating with the taliban, and that is where i want to spring in our foreign affairs correspondent jill doherty at the state department. and jill, the president just kicked off, you know, let's call it the sales job here on the troop drawdown today. we saw him, you know, not a half hour ago there in new york at ft. drum, but this morning secretary of state hillary clinton testified on capitol hill on afghanistan. let's listen. is. >> i do hope that everybody in the congress and the press and the public understands that you don't -- you don't end wars by talking only to people whom you agree or who are, you know, good actors. you end wars by, unfortunately, but the fact is talking with people whose interests and values are often very much opposite of yours. >> so jill, she is pushing the idea of the so-called diplomatic surge in afghanistan. can you explain that a little
further? >> reporter: yes. i mean, this strategy has been out there for a while, but it's really picking up, and why? well, hillary clinton at this hearing in the senate today said that basically the taliban didn't want to talk with them until they started getting hit by u.s. and coalition forces and now that they are making progress they are ready to talk. so the idea is al qaeda and the taliban are different, and what they are trying to do is split them by bringing over the taliban who might be reconcilable, as they say. it's very early. it's tentative. nobody knows where it's going but that is the theory. it's important to point out that there are some red lines that secretary clinton was talking about. >> let me also point out when we heard from the president about half an hour ago speaking to the troops at ft. drum, he mentioned the taliban taking fight to them, but he says the taliban is
more interested in a political settlement. again, we're hearing these phrases, but with regard to secretary clinton, why is she focusing so much on this with regard to the taliban and reconciliation? >> you know, they believe really -- this administration believes that you can't win it just with the military. that you're going to have to bring that society together one way or another, and al qaeda, they would say want to -- let's say take over the world. the taliban are from afghanistan. they are interested in certain parts of afghanistan, but they are part of the fabric of society, whether anybody likes it or not. so they need to talk to them in some fashion or another, but, you know, the red lines that just mentioned are crucial because -- because the first one would be they have to renounce violence. second one, they have to renounce al qaeda, and the third is they have to accept the afghan constitution, and that means women's rights, so there's a big question. would the taliban actually go for that? >> with regard to that third
line and your point about women's rights. we know the taliban is extremely repressive. do we really expect they are going to be a little better in that regard? >> you know, nobody really knows, and, in fact, i was looking carefully at some of the comments by the secretary today, and she said, you know, there is a theory, and she seems to agree with it, that sometimes when you're locked in a situation that's not going anyplace, and the taliban are getting hit, then they might be willing to say they are ready for talks but actually it's just kind of a temperizing thing, and it could be a prelude to going back to fighting, so i think there's a lot of skepticism, but ultimately they feel that you just have to have this political reconciliation. otherwise it's -- it's simply not the -- the conflict won't come to an end. >> well, we will see, won't we? we'll see. jill doherty at the state department. jill, appreciate it. and he led a city during one of the worst national disasters the nation has ever faced.
now former new orleans mayor ray nagin is giving folks a behind-the-scenes look at the entire fiasco as it played out in a new no holds bar book. mr. nagin joining me live from new orleans, next. 14 clubs. that's what they tell us a legal golf bag can hold. and while that leaves a little room for balls and tees, it doesn't leave room for much else. there's no room left for deadlines or conference calls. not a single pocket to hold the stress of the day, or the to-do list of tomorrow. only 14 clubs pick up the right
according to the national weather service, the tornado that hit joplin was the single most deadly tornado in 60 years. and now to this. really, the pictures tell the story. who can forget these images? people stranded on room tops, water up to the rafters pleading for rescue. can you believe it? it's been just about six years since hurricane katrina caused dozens of breaches and levees proteblting new orleans affecting 80% of that city and changing new orleans for years to come, if not forever. ray nagin served as new orleans mayor during hurricane katrina, and he's just written a memoir about that time in new orleans. here's some pictures of him signing copies, four and a half hours sat copies of this book. "katrina secrets, storms after the storm." it is a behind-the-scenes perspective of what really happened in new orleans in the days leading up to the storm and afterwards that devastated his city. nagin published the book himself so there are no filters.
there are no holds barred. here he is. former mayor ray nagin joining me from new orleans. good to see you. got the book, read the book. let's just begin with this. i want you to just give yourself a grade, mr. mayor, of how you handled katrina. what would you give yourself. >> well, you know, that's tough to do, brooke. it was a catastrophic event. the largest natural and manmade disaster ever. basically coming through that, i did some things that were well done, and i also made a few mistakes. i've talked about that a lot, as far as whether i should have called the evacuation -- mandatory evacuation a little bit earlier but that's tough to do. >> if you had to, and i'm putting you on the spot because you can here, sir, a, b, c, d, e or f? what would you pick? >> probably a c or c-plus. >> there have been a lot of comparisons and especially during that time, you and rudy giuliani and 9/11, but the big, big difference here is that you weren't just the leader, the
mayor of the city in crisis. were you also the victim. many homes under water. half your police department, their homes were under water. you had just the clothes off your back. >> yeah. >> but the criticism, as a leader, you know, you didn't just stumble off the blocks. you fumbled the ball. do you agree, and then how do you respond to that? >> you know, i don't necessarily agree. i don't think any mayor in our history has gone through what we have gone through, you know. with all due respect to mr. giuliani. his disaster was confined to a very small area. this was a total devastation of almost an entire city with 80% of it under water. the fumbles that people talk about are mainly people that weren't here, and that's what i try and do with the book. i take you behind the scenes so you can understand fully how complex and daunting this task was. >> well, staying with football analogy here and the fumble. a lot of people i know and i've talked to people in new orleans since then who say why did he still hold that football game in
the superdome the friday before the storm hit that sunday night and monday night? do you regret making that call? no, i don't. if you go back to when katrina -- she was a very deceptive storm. it wasn't until a friday night before she hit on sunday that there was real clarify that she was coming to new orleans. i got a call from max may feil, the head of the hurricane center who said, man, look, in my professional opinion this is headed for new orleans and that's when we moved to mandatory evacuation. >> i want to bring in chad myers, weather man here, who very much so was here during katrina. jump in, sir. >> mr. mayor, with all due respect. this was a category 5 24 hours before it hit your city. how did people not get out? how did they not get the word? better yet, let's not monday morning quarterback, when this happens again to a different city in america, how do we fix it so people really do leave?
>> well, you say that it was a category 5, and that's true, but she was dancing around. she only got pointed towards new orleans 24 hours out. it takes this region about 72 hours to effectively evacuate. now the issue of other cities. i'm really concerned about that. we're starting to see more natural disasters. as a matter of fact, i've been tracking them, and there's been over 400 declared major disasters since hurricane katrina, and they are getting more intense, and they are being linked -- natural disasters with a manmade disaster and nothing has really changed from the laws that govern our nation's response so i'm really concerned. >> i want to get back to the lessons learned and chad myers, thank you very much. i do want to talk about -- there were times, mr. nagin, when you spoke, and i'm quoting you, you moved away from the script, like this moment. >> it's time for us to rebuild a new orleans, the one that should be a chocolate new orleans, and i don't care what people are
saying up town or wherever they are, this city will be chocolate at the end of the day. >> i'm going to ask, mayor nagin, do you feel the emotions stifled out the message and what he's doing now and the biggest lesson he's learned since the storm. breaking news on two men charged in planning attack on a seattle military processing center. all of that and more coming up so stay here. ♪ lexus hybrid drive technology is designed to optimize any fuel source on the planet. even those we don't use yet. because when you pursue perfection, you don't just engineer a future-proof hybrid system. you engineer amazing. ♪
were arrested late last night according to the department of justice. joseph anthony davis, 33 of seattle washington, and frederick domingue, 32 of los angeles, had machine guns and intended to use these in order to attack the military entrance processing station in seattle. according to the department of justice, law enforcement became aware of these people when someone who had been approached to help purchase firearms went to law enforcement and told them what was up. they then worked with law enforcement. we're told, according to this press release from the department of justice, that they do have them captured on audio and videotape, and that they had been monitoring these individuals for some time. they say there was no threat to the public because they had made the machine guns which these men were allegedly purchasing inoperable. so they would pose absolutely no risk to the public. they said that initially this
pair of men allegedly planned an attack on a different military facility, joint base lewis accord in washington state. they changed their targets. they wanted to use, according to this, both grenades and machine guns, but in the attack that was allegedly attacked on this entrance processing station in seattle, they were going to use the machine guns, machine guns which had been rendered inoperable. brooke? >> jeanne meserve, thanks so much for the update. now pack to my conversation with former new orleans mayor ray nagin. he's here talking about his book, "katrina storm secrets." let's pick up with the federal government. you talk a lot about fema and talk a lot about the federal government, very much slow to respond, and you specifically talk about the president bush speech, we all remember, washing him in jackson square. you right about the valuable lights and the generators and write specifically that the disney like magic left almost as quick as it arrived, and your
point here, and correct me if i'm wrong, that the white house was just very out of touch. >> well, out of touch and basically in a reactive mode. they were spinning and that whole scene in my humble opinio. there were no lights. there still was water in many parts of the city, and it just points to how out of touch are you concerned at all going forward, mr. nagin, that people may not want to work with you down the line?
>> i don't think that. the main reason for my book is to give an insider's perspective on what happens. do you think at all your emotions may be drown out the message? >> well, that could be, but it was an emotional time. >> the speech was in response to some pretty bold calls to change the footprint of the city and changes the social makeup of the city. i rejected that. as far as the mexican workers, that speech was totally turned around, because i was talking about we needed workers to come in and needed to get comfortable, that they may not look exactly like us.
>> but you were leading the city, the mayor. looking back at some of the things you said, do you regret them? >> i regret they hurt some people, but some of the circumstances dictated i make bold statements to bust through the clutter. there was a lot of media attention, and it was in my opinion, part of my responsibility to talk to the i dispora. would you city be ready? >> i think the city is ready. evacuation systems have been tested. before i left office, we had a successful evacuation where we got everything out once again. >> heaven forbid, it will never happen again. ray nagin, former may wror of new orleans, thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you so much. create space, you can get a
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check in with wolf blitzer for what's happening on the cnn political ticker this hour. what do you have? >> a lot of stuff happening, but a major, major development here in washington. you know, they've been negotiating for some time, the vice president joe biden, with the top congressional leadership, some way to increase the debt ceiling so the united states doesn't undermine it's credit worth creditworthiness. today the republicans, eric cantor and jon kyl, two of the top republican leaders in the house and senate, they were negotiating with the democrats and with vice president biden. they came out and said, you know what? it's over until the white house accepts the fundamental fact there are not going to be any tax increases whatsoever, even tax increases on millionaires and billionaires, as the white house likes to say. kantor says -- said in a statement there is not support
in the house for a tax increase. i don't believe now is time to raise taxes. regardless of the progress that has been made, he said, the tax issue must be resolved before discussions can continue. it's basically for the republicans a poison pill. in other words, they want from the without and from the democrats a hard and fast commitment. there would be absolutely no tax increases, revenue increases as they say, in order to try to reduce the deficit. the white house and the democrats want to increase taxes action as you know, on at least the very wealthy. what kantor says, the president now has to intervene in order to save these negotiations. we'll see if he does. another issue we're getting more reaction, not from republican and democrats, but some of the republican candidates to the president's address to the nation last night, on the afghan troop withdrawal. jon huntsman saying he wants more speedy action heest sets
time to get out more quickly. he says we have a jenks railingsal opportunity in a way that makes sense for our security as well as our budget, hundreds of billions. romney, though, a republican for the nomination, he says you've got to be careful. he's taking more of a hard line. we want all our troops. we want our troops to come home as soon as possible, but we shouldn't adhere to an arbitrary timetable on the withdrawal of troops. this must be done from the military strategic point of view, not from some political agenda, so some strong words from romney. by the way, later today in "the situation room," brooke, i'll be speaking with the president's deputy national security adviser dennis mcdonough to explain some of the questions, namely one question, how much more will this cost?
minutes from now one of the histories's most famous fugitive faces the music. >> for america's most wanted man. >> how the feds caught whitey bulger, and why the investigation is far from over. >> we've only been here around 12 hours. >> journalists are banned from syria, but arwa damon takes us inside. fold 'em, best 'em. they say celebrities played high-stakes pocker in secret worlds and their winnings were stolen. plus call it the firecracker feud. a guy argues with his girlfriend, and then sparks fly. hell ooh, once again. we're watching the clock and waiting.
we're waiting for james whitey bulger, he'sing on the lamb since 1985, and also said to be inspiration for jack nicholson's character in "the departed." check it out. >> when i was your age, they would say we could become cops or criminals. what i'm saying is this. when you're facing a loaded gun what is the difference? >> bulger and his girlfriend were busted last night in santa monica, less than 48 hours after the fbi begain running this public service announcement on tv. >> have you seen this woman? the fbi is offering $100,000 for tips leading to catherine
greig's whereabouts. she's had plastic surgery. she's wanted for harbors james bulger. >> hoping someone would recognize the girlfriend and find him. kara finnstrom is just outside the courthouse. i know he's not quite there yet. describe the scene for me? >> yeah, lots of media and in boston, bulger expected to make his first courtroom appearance at 2:00 pacific time or later he has been appointed a public defender. we also expect this would be his first public appearance. he went on the run 16iers. the pictures from the height of his courtroom boss career is very different from the 81-year-old we see in custody
today. well what agents are telling us is they got a tip, and they contribute all of this to the fact that his girlfriend was with him. he longtime girlfriend catherine greig. apparently she fled with him. and they'll started focusing their search on her. they released the psa, and what it does is that it highlights the unusual characteristics. the fact she's a accidental hygienist and liked her teeth cleaned once a month. the fact she loves animals, is obvious seen with dogs and animals, and she was a bit obsessive about trips to the beauty salon, so they were hoping other women of her age would see these psas on shows, so they aired them. they're not giving us the specificses, but they do say they attribute all of this to that psa, and to the fact they tried to get out the information about his girlfriend.
last night to santa monica, they spoke about getting the news who was a man who was a legend in boston had finally been caught. >> whitey's been caught? you've got to be kidding me. a lot of people said he's dead, maybe they don't want to see him get caught, he may take down the whole fbi if he starts talking. >> so also last night we know retreat from that home as evidence was a large amount of cash and a stash of drugs and weapons. we know today a bond hearing is expected to take place. nobody expect bond to be set, because he's a huge flight risk. extradition could be set. it would be up to him if he wants to fight extradition. in most cases that would be the
normal course, to take him back. >> take me back to last night to when they found him and this girlfriend, some 20 years his minor. i know they were going under different names. how was the fbi able to coax them even out of this apartment building? >> reporter: they've rear leased very few details. they watched, they saw that that boulder was there, and they say they set up a ruse that brought him out, and then he actually gave up peacefully. they say it wasn't a fight. he is listed on the top ten wanted web side as someone who is violent, carries a knife, but they say they gave up peacefully. >> kara finnstrom, i'm sure the details will eke out.
thank you. president obama is now tapping into america's oil reserves. this is not something that is done lightly. releasing oil from the reserve is very rare. it's happened just twice, once during desert storm and just after hurricane katrina in 12005. what is proompting the move today? poppy harlow, why is it? what's the reasons. you have libya, gas prices, economic, what's the story? >> the world we're getting from the administration, and they did this in conjunction with the international agency, so it was a global move. they say it's because of the supply shrinkage we have seen due to the unrest in libya. libya is a small, small oil exporters, about 2% of the world's oil, but they say they're losing about 2 million.
they say this is in response to libya. but this is also a political move. this comes as we got bad news from the fed on the state of the u.s. economy, and what chuck schumer says, this is a shot in the arm that american consumers and the u.s. economy needs. what this means is next month, if not sooner, you're going to see your prices of gas go down. that's what we've seen happen to oil all right. already crude was down more than 10% this month alone. right now today, it fell almost 4.5% largely on this news. right now $3 puff 91 on average. the thought, the thinking is that if energy prices, your gas prices go down, you're going to spend more money on other things, that's going to help this economy recover. that's the think iing since it' been set up, we've tapped it
twice, during the gulf war and after hurricane katrina. so this was hinted at, but i can tell you, i was surprised to see this move when we found out about early this morning. >> what about the markets, poppy? >> i'm looking at live trading -- actually the -- down 234 points, so the market came back very much from the way it was. traders were very nervous going into the session because of the fed chairman's comments, and also this morning, before trading started, we had a weak jobs reports, the weekly jobless numbers, we got a report they were over 400,000 again this week. so combine weak economic growth with the poor jobs outlook, the market did not until the end of the session really factor in
this oil move, but it looks like traders coming back to the table, investors putting the money back and feeling more confident. it could have been a whole lot worse. people want to help get all of this -- >> thank you, poppy. now this. >> i wouldn't want anyone to know. it's all these [ bleep ] old dudes, grannies, maybe a handful of cute -- >> brand-new fallout after a pilot goes on a disturbing rant. the whole thing, caught on an open mike. now a group of flight attendants might be suing and their union is attacking southwest airlines. up next heather poole joins me live, and he says this ghi is a jerk. i'll ask if she's ever seen this before. stay right here. sneak peek at rg hotel bids to find where you can save up to 60% on hotels. * we'll even email you other people's winning bids,
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[ bleep ] homosexuals and a granny. 11. think of the odds of that. i thought i was in chicago, which is party land. after that, it was just a continuous stream of gays and grannies and grandes. >> chuck mcgill is apologizing about the incident. listen to thisisms what he said is offensive, and inconsistent with the professional behavior and overall respect we require from all employees. we've disciplined, we suspended him, and he's taking additional diversity and inclusion training to reinforce the company's expectation he show respect and tree all with dignity. >> let's talk a bit more about this with flight attendance and blogger, heather poole, live in los angeles. put your flight attendant hat on for me. if this was your pilot, your
plane, even if it wasn't, what's your reaction? i have to laugh, it's over the top crazy. then i raged. and if i took out the curse words, it might be a 45-minute rant, and then i just shoot my head, but face it, this is like the new steven slater. i'm glad the focus is on him now. >> i don't know his name. he's an unnamed pilot. i don't know if within the airline community, folks know exactly who this guy is, but what kind of reaction and reception do you think he's getting? it's got to be a horrible work experience for him. who's going to want to work with this guy? even -- we never heard anything from the first officer, and i didn't hear him speak up, which
i'm glad, but i mean, even pilots, who's going to feel comfortable working with this guy? what does he normally talk about? that couldn't have been the first time he went on the rants. it's fine monday night football with the guys, but don't bring it to work. >> and it happened to be an open mike i don't even want to repeat some of this stuff. you're on these planes action and you hear -- what some say among themselves, don't think people are listening. is this language typical on a plane? or is this an anomaly? >> it is not typical. i mean, we're not allowed. we have rules we're not allowed to talk like that. if this had been a flight attendant, what would have happened? would that flight attendant have his or her job back at this point? i kind of doubt it. >> are you surprised he's back
and flying? >> i'm shocked. i really am. somebody who feels comfortable enough to take that to work, and -- not only that, he was so angry about the way he felt. he was still angry about not hooking up with a flight attendant at work, he didn't even hear of air traffic controllers telling him they could hear what he was saying he needed to turn it off. neither did the first officer. he didn't say, hey, check this. he was on such a roll. he wasn't even thinking about what he was doing. >> good thing that first officer kept his mouth closed. you could even here some people say, wow, this is why pilots get a bad reputation, and sir, that's an open mike. heather poole, what a story. thank you so much for coming on. i appreciate it.
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if it's interesting and happening right now, you're about to see it. rapid-fire. general david petraeus in town for his confirmation hearing. he's in line to take over for leon panetta as chief of the cia. meantime, an arrest in the father's day execution-style murders at a new york pharmacy. long island police accuse david laffer in the murder of four people during a robbery. arresting officers said they had to use force, because he came, quote, extremely violent. they say his arrest came after several tips. >> we were very fortunate in receives over 400 calls from the public, people who think they might have recognized the individual, despite a fake beard, sunglasses, and a cap. >> laffer's wife was arrested. she yelled, he did all this, as
she was taken into custody. the supreme court rules against the estate of anna nicole smith. she had sued saying her husband had promised her more than $300 million. she was married for 14 months before his death in 1995. marshall left almost all the assets to his son and virtually nothing to smith. note, don't trash a hotel room and tweet about it, but that's what meals are accusing several men. the damage totalled 14 grand. so fair eight guys have been arrested. the tweets have landed them in jail, and it's hashtag not fun. >> you wish they wouldn't have tweeted? >> i'm not going to tell you anything. >> even though these guys are facing felonies, apparently they are keeping their twitter pages. over to florida super the "atlantis" crew had their final
dress rehearsal. the next time they done those suits, it will be for the final time. the crew went through the exact routine they will use on the 8th. they were practices how they will climb into the shuttle. intense moments on a freeway near ft. worth. a motorcyclist led police on this chase. officials and officers say the fugitive wanted on federal warrants took to the side streets and interstate 30 before finally being stopped by federal agents. as both republicans and democrats sound off on president obama's decision to withdraw, thousands of troops from afghanistan, the afghan president is now speaking out to cnn. fareed zacarias has just interviewed hamid karzai. this is a worldwide exclusive. take a listen. >> you know, mr. president there
was a big debate in the united states about what xhaektly the president should say. there are some who felt he should have announced a slower withdrawal, some faster. if you had had a magic wand, would you have preferred this to be a slower withdrawal? >> i announcement made last night by president obama is welcomed by the afghan people. the number of troops he has announced to be withdrawn this year and the rest, the next year, is a sign that afghanistan is taking over its own security and trying to defend its territory by its own means. so we are happy with the announcement. as for the number of troops, we have no opinion on that. >> don't forget to watch the entire interview. grab year coffee, sunday morning 10:00 a.m. eastern, fareed zacarias gps right here the.
recruiting station in seattle. they had they had a beef with the u.s. military presence in the middle east, and they wanted to make a statement. according to the affidavit, their names of abu liquid abdul latif, and walli mujahidh, aka frederick domingue. according to the affidavit there was a third individual approached and asked to participate in this attack. he went to the seattle police and told them what was up. they began surveillance, audio and video surveillance of the individuals involved. according to this, this plot unfolded very quickly, they wanted to go in and kill as many as they could, allegedly. when they were arrested last night, they were picking up machine guns they were allegedly going to use. one at one point is quoted in the affidavit as saying we're
trying to get something that will be on cnn and all over the world. that's what we want. what they wanted was for other people to mimic them allegedly. according to this affidavit when they were arrested last evening, one of the men, mujahidh, waived his miranda rights and started talking to authorities. it says he admitted they planned on carrying out this attack on the recruiting station for the purpose of tilling military personnel, to prevent them from going to islamic lands and killing muslims. he said his further goal was to die as a martyr. this is one of a series of planned attacks on military recruiting and other military installations. >> wow, they made their way onto cnn, but because they were caught. jeanne meserve, thank you so much. more people are dying in syria. journalists are still not allowed in, but today this very minute cnn's arwa damon is inside the country. she's going to join me live in
in syria today, troops have moved into the village on the border with turkey. that's where over the past couple weeks tens of thousands have set up camp trying to flee the crackdown by the government. arwa damon has made her way back into syria. she joins me live from the capital of damascus. arwa, i've got to say, impressive stuff that you're in there, number one. number two, you're tweeting about it. it feels as if syria is two countries with people living in two different realities. what do you mean by that? >> reporter: the refugees say they were driving out of their villages and town because they were so terrified of the
military, firmly believes if they had stayed at home, they either would have been detained or killed. at least are people who say there were no armed gangs, people who have fled by and large with the clothes on their back. that's one syria we have been seeing. the only is the one we say in one part of the capital earlier today. this was in the heart of today man cuss, near the old city. there it seemed as if life was normal. there was a loudspeaker blaring music. this is the first time over seen this. people were selling government paraphernalia. they had party hats with the president's names on it. people there very angry, coming up to us, saying this negative image that was being portrayed about sir yaw was part of a foreign conspiracy and one should listen to what the syrian
government is saying about what's happening inside the company, and that is it's quite simply targeting the armed gangs and they're the ones driving people out of their homes. we've got sp egg to a number of government officials, and they've been putting forward the notion, questioning why the world is focusing on 10,000 refugees when the iraq war, for example, displaced more than a million people since it began back in 200. so we're getting these two completely, almost to a certain degree surreal different images. arwa, forgive me for jumping in. it's a wee bit tough hearing you. thank you. she's tweeting up a storm here. it's avmt ar@arwacnn.
marriage. dana, do you have any idea when this vote might happen? >> reporter: well, we are all waiting, as we have been all week. protesters are back again in the has, shouting and chanting, as the nation wonders when the new york senate and if they will take up a vote today. right now the senate, even though, you know, this is the main issue people are focused on, the senate is still rangeling and focusing on business. they have a very big piece of legislation that involves rents, rent controls, tax caps. after that, though, comes which we expect today, they're wrangling over the fine print, then that will clear the way for them to focus fully on the same-sex marriage, what is called the marriage equality bill. the gop senators will be meeting
following that last vote, and then they'll be determining whether or not to bring this to a vote. behind the scenes there's been meetings over the language in the bill regarding protections of the religious institutions. that's been the main sticking point. once they iron that out and decide it's language that's acceptable, they will bring it to a vote, and that could happen well into the night. nobody is prepared or ready to be -- or expecting to be going home early tonight. >> if and when that happens, quickly, when would couples be able to apply for marriage licenses? >> reporter: well, we are told it would take 30 days for the paperwork to be done, and then one 30 days couples could start getting married. there are a lot of couple here in new york that are hopefully planning their weddings in the hopes this bill will be passed. >> dana garrett, thank you very much. >> the president is in manhattan
for a gay community event on this day, where this historic vote may indeed happened in the state capitol. next i want to go to chad myers. we're talking minon, north carolina. it's the river -- what did i say? >> you said north carolina. >> excuse me. i'm a tar heel. what is the status on 9 river, as i keep watching the water rise and rise? >> we have been watching the river flood level. and there are maps you can watch. they're live. the river stopped going up. you know what? because it's stills over the levees. so it's going to fill in all of that area that was protected by the levees, all that water, all those homes going straight up. the water will on top of the buildings. even though it looks like this thing's not going up anymore, as soon as all that water gets filled back in, it would go
straight uppite 6 to 8 feet. those peer been in real trouble. here's minot, here's the souris river. the water will be all the way through here. this is not a random range farmland, where you think some farmer will just get wet. no this is all residential area. 12,000 homes will probably be under water threats. there were floods back in the 1880s about half this big. that's the old record flood, but in 1881, this town didn't even exist. now, some of the other video you saw. look at this. >> new york? nyack, new york. a couple hours ago, water rushing through the city, 4 inches of rainfall that came down in about an hour, hour and a half it's -- you go up toward new city, almost catskills.
you get a bit offing to ography, everything funnels down action and look at that. that is downtown. that's what it looks like. all those business owners -- >> closing those doors -- i would be goods in the other direction. >> this is the only play we have right know. the video will come in tonight. there are many towns that look just like that. >> we have been talking flooding for weeks, sir. thank you. keep your eye on it for us. a lawsuit seeking money from celebrities and other folks in very exclusive poker games. here's kareen wynter in los angeles. >> reporter: spider man star tobey maguire caught in a bit of a legal web. he was slapped with a lawsuit, claiming a former hedge fund manager, brandly runnerman, who is serving a ten-year sentence, that he took part in secret high stakes and elite poker games at
several luxury hotels in beverly hills. he reportedly lost money to mag wire and other celebs who it's important to point out were not named in the lawsuit, but allegedly took part in the event. the suit claims that rutterman devised a ponzi scheme to pay off the debts. there were big bucks in that scheme. the investors who allegedly lost, they're going after mag wire to the tune of $311,000. that's how much they claim the actor allegedly won from rutterman, funds that were wired to mag wire from bank transfers. the suit contends since these games were technically illegal and not licensed, mag wire and the other defendants have no right to keep the money they won. cnn reached out to maguire's represents, and they are not responding at this time. there's allegations about other
high-profile celebs that might be involved in the schemes. knack kapavetti, and gabe kaplan, they're also being sued. one two $73,000, and kaplan for $62,000. both of these actors have yet to comment. i should also know that none of the defendants named in the lawsuit are facing any criminal charges, but they do have to return any alleged gambling winnings or make their case for the money in court. gambling is illegal here in california. we reached out to the district attorney's office, and they tell us at this time there is no criminal investigation under way. kareen wynter, cnn, los angeles. >> thank you. that's our reporter roulette. we're getting words that the talks are on the verge of collapsing. here as the deadline
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not too long ago, casey anthony's mother returned to the witness stand, this time testifying for the defense. and she dropped a bombshell. she was questioned about what she was googling. specifically she was asked about googling "chloroform." >> that's right. that was the bomb in the courtroom today. really is the headline.
the defense calls cindy anthony to the witness stand. she testifies on march 17th of 2008, she is the one that searched the anthony home computer for chloroform, rather than the prosecution's theory that casey anthony conducted the controversial searching. take a listen to what happened in the courtroom today. >> do you recall in march 2008 you doing any types of searches for any items that might include chloroform? >> yes. >> could you explain to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury why you did that? >> well, i started looking at chlorophyll. i was concerned about smile smallest yorkie. we have two yorkie puppies. the smallest one was having some issues where she was extremely
tired all the time. both the dogs would eat the bamboo leaves out in the back, so i started looking up sources from the backyard that could potentially cause her to be more sleepy than it would affect the largest dog. i started looking up chloroform -- i mean chlorophyll, and that prompted me to look up chloroform. >> we heard her. she was talking about her two dogs, how she ended up searching for chloroform. how did the prosecution try to counter that testimony? >> well, they certainly tried to do their best. remember, the prosecution's computer forensic expert got on the witness stand and said there were 84 searches for "chloroform." take a listen to what the prosecution did with this information. >> you suggested the google search engine asked you if you wanted to change the spelling of
"chlorophyll" when you made this search. >> correct. >> because you spell "chlorophyll" wrong? >> correct. >> did you input the words into the google search engine, how to make chloroform? >> i don't recall putting in "how to make chloroform" but i did search "chloroform" and we talked about it in my deposition. >> the question is, and it's a yes or no. did you type into the search bar on google "how to make chloroform"? >> objection, it's been asked and answered twice. >> overruled. >> did you type those words into the search bar on google? >> i don't recall typing in how to make chloroform. i remember typing in chlorophyll. >> do you recall denying that you searched for self-defense?
>> yes. i did not search for self-defense. >> household weapons? >> i did not search. >> neck breaking? >> i did not search for neck breaking, but i do recall that there was a pop-up that was showing a youtube regarding a skateboarders that was skateboarding on rails, like if you're going -- like a turn style type rail if you're going into someplace and the skateboarder. i recall it saying a neck-breaking feat. >> sung something that you're recalling since you changed year medication in july of 2009? >> again, it's not -- yes? >> no, i recalled that at the time, but you didn't asked me about -- i answered your questions specifically at that time. but my memory is better than it was when i had my deposition in 2009. >> yes, ma'am, did we cover
whether or not you did a search for the word "shovel"? >> no, i wouldn't need to look up the word "shovel." >> all right, sunny, why is this significant in you have a minute. for people who haven't been following the trial closely, explain that and why it's significant that cindy anthony was searching for these words? >> the prosecution's theory is that casey anthony searched on the computer chloroform, then used chloroform to drug her daughter caylee before placing three pieces of duct tape across her face, across her face, mouth, nose, to suffocate her. >> that's the theory of the prosecution. this is a game changer, because now there is reasonable doubt to whether or not casey anthony conducted the searches or perhaps whether or not her mother cindy anthony performed the searches. that really combats first