tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN June 26, 2011 7:00am-8:00am PDT
thank you so much for watching state of the union. be sure to tune in next sunday for a special edition of state of the union, making it in america. we'll talk about the state of the american dream with an all-star lineup. that's next sunday at 9:00 a.m. eastern. up next, fareed zakaria gps. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we have a very important show for you today. the world heard president obama's afghanistan plan this week. but what is the afghan response? we will find out in just a moment. i have an exclusive interview with the president of afghanistan, hamid karzai. then we'll introduce to you a nation that will have only 364 days this year while the rest of us enjoy 365. what in the world indeed.
after that, is greece on the brink of bankruptcy? does it matter? is america? we'll ask the man who should know the answers to all these questions, the ceo of the world's largest bond trading firm, mohamed el-erian. next up, crime sourcing the u.s. constitution. i asked for your idea for amendments. we got an extraordinary response and we'll talk to jeff toobin about the realities of amending the u.s. constitution. all that and more, but first, here is smi take. this week we got a he'll way into the way barack obama's mind works. he's clearly felt the united states has a lopsided foreign policy with too large a military commitment to certain crisis points on the globe. he has wanted to rebalance american foreign policy to shift the focus away from the problems of the past, iraq, afghanistan, and focus on the challenges of the 21st century, the rise of china and asia more generally.
this week, me gohe announced a significant drawdown of troop, effectively reversing the surge that began 1 mon8 months ago. when he came into oifrks the united states had almost 200,000 troops engamged in combat in iraq and afghanistan. by next year, it will have half that number. most in noncombat operations. some would wish the drawdown was slower, others faster, but obama has basically matt right call. the united states cannot disengage instantly from a war it has future for a decade with allies and commitments made to those allies and the afghan people. henry kissinger once said getting out of a war is not like switching off the channel on a television set. i understand general petraeus and other key advisers wanted a smaller draw dunn to consolidate the gains that american forces have made in afghanistan. but there will never be the
perfect time. afghanistan is a troubled country in which some progress has been made, but parts of the country remain unsettled beyond kabul's control and with some taliban control. that will be true now, it will be true two years from now. the taliban cannot be defeated purely militarily. they will reconstitute. at shall point, you will have to find a way to bring them into the governing structures of the country. they are an in-dunk fuss force in afghanistan representing part of the large community. the much bigger problem with stabilizing afghanistan is that the solution does not lie in the number of american troops or afghan troops. it lies with getting pakistan, specifically the pakistani army, to cooperate in this endeavor. and right now, the signs in that direction are troubling. there are signs everywhere that the pakistani military has been infiltrated by radical islamists who view thetal with an as their natural allies and the united states and the west as their natural enemies. this week, a brigadier general was arrested for his ties to the
extremist group. last month, well armed militants stormed an important naval base, an operation that clearly required sbreinternal help. also a brave journalist was tortured and killed almost certainly by the pack tap any i pakistani intelligence services. and osama bin laden could not happily be enskonszed without some help from the pakistani military. the pakistani military has been trying to deflect attention from these problems by stoking anti-americanism at home, it has been trying to company city up to china and sabotage any serious investigation into its problems. if it continues on it path, a paft conflict, isolation and geopolitical games, it will mean backwardness for pakistan. and it will mean no peace for afghanistan. let's get started.
president karzai, thank you so much for joining me. >> well spoken. >> you know, mr. president, there was a big debate in the united states about what exactly the president should say and there was some who felt he should have announced a slower withdraw, some a faster withdraw. if you had a thiimagin magic wa you have preferred this to be a slower withdraw? >> the announcement that was made last night by president obama is welcome by the afghan people. the number of troops that he has announced to be withdrawn this year and the rest next year is a sign that afghanistan is taking over its own security and trying
to defend its territory by its own means. so we're happy with the announcement. as for the number of troop, we have no opinion on that. >> no opinion meaning you leave to the military commanders, but when you look at what the red cross says security in afghanistan is at its worst point, the number of violent deaths are at hair highest point, how could this be the optimal number given the security environment you're in? >> regardless of what the security situation in afghanistan is, it is the responsibility, it eat job of the afghan people to defend their country. having said that, i can confirm to you today and i've had this confront by the local means, not by government means or the means of nato, that security this parts of the country has improved, that life is better now. of course not desirable, but
better. >> but there is the afghan ngo points out the ngo safety office in kabul points out that there has been a 66% increase in attacks by insurgents. why do you think this is happening? >> thought t n >> not the kind of attacks that would worry us. these are incidents. not the kind of attacks that would allow anybody to take a village or road. these are suicide attacks that we can not stop unless we address the root cause for this trouble. so in terms of overall security of the country, in terms of moekt of the forces, things are better. >> there has been considerable worry in the united states about some of your recent comments,
particular particularly you talked about the united states forces are in danger of becoming an occupying force which prompted ike bury to say you are risking losing support in the united states when we have troops there risking their lives to try to secure afghanistan and build it. to have you describe them as an occupying force is very unhelpful. do you regret having made that comment? >> no, i don't regret having made that comment. that comment was not seen in the full sentence that i spoke. it was after the incident of civilian casualties where children were killed in an aerial bombing. and where i said no more of such aerial bombings on our residents. and the question was what it they continue.
now, if afghanistan is a sovereign country when oofg asks that these operations cease and if they then continue, it means we are not in charge and it becomes an occupation. it is in this context that i spoke and i is an by thstand by. >> people worry that you hib trying to play a game of trying to whip up national sentiment against an outsider like the united states, a game that has been played in pakistan, for example. are you trying to gain popularity by stoking a certain amount of apity americanism? >> no. the united states and the rest of the world came to afghanistan after september 11 and the purpose of that was to bring security to the united states, to europe and to the rest of the world. afghanistan cooperated in that in the fullest of terms.
for a number of years we took casualties and we were silent, but then the war did not go in the direction that we felt should go. but our casualties kept increasing. the afghans need a return to normal life. my statements are neither hostile nor inflammatorinflamma anything but to get an understanding that the afghan people need to feel secure, that the afghan people need to see this war or this fight against terrorism take a direction in which they can see the end of the tunnel. >> one of the things that people worry with in terms of the legitimacy of the afghan company and forces, you talked about the growing acceptance of the afghan army, they worry about the
legitimacy of your government and of corruption. some of it is directed toward you, your family, your brother. do you believe that you can claim that your government is less corrupt than it was before? >> i can claim that we're working harder than we did before. i can claim that we know a lot more of the corruption and the sources within afghanistan and outside of afghanistan than i knew before. i can claim that the afghan government is doing its best to handle this. i can also claim afghanistan would be a lot better place if international partners cooperated with us on corruption and cleaned things at their own end, as well. >> you understand the frustration of the american taxpayer who sees that the united states has disbursed $16
billion to afghanistan in developmental aid over the last ten years and does not seem to see enough in return for it is this the hone does not seem to have achieved much. >> the money where it was invested has achieved. the united states has been growth for us. the united states has been clinics and schools for us. but the united states has not invested in major infrastructure projects for us like dams and electricity that we can produce for all. afghanistan has made its point of view very clear. for example, a project in kandahar for the protection of electricity where the u.s. government spent 215le million on providing generator, we disagreed with p we felt this money could be spent better by building a dam.providing genera disagreed with p we felt this money could be spent better by building a dam. in that region. that will give a lasting
sustainable economic environment to the people of the region. so if the investment of the united states is done in concertation with afghanistan and based on afghan priorities, it will produce a lot better result. we are grateful to every penny that the u.s. taxpayer has given to afghanistan. afghanistan will account for that part of the taxpayer's money that the afghan government has spent. where we are in charge, we are accountable and we are grateful immensely for the u.s. taxpayer's money. they are hard working people and that has to be respected. where we are not in charge, i hope the u.s. taxpayer would understand our predicament. >> we'll have to take a break. when we come back, i will ask president karzai whether talking with the taliban is the only way to get peace and if so, how he proposes to do it.
let lee ame ask you about talki the taliban. this has become one of the big issues. your former head of security says this is a terrible idea and that many afghans don't like the idea of talking to the taliban that the strategy you should be pursuing is the complete disarming of the taliban. do you believe that's possible? >> the afghan people need peace. the afghan people want peace. they want their children sent to school. mothers want to be without worry when they have their children go to school or their husbands to job or when their women go out to work. this country needs to progress. this country needs to live like all other nations live. can you have an example in the history of man kind where people would not want peace? this is a desire, a human desire.kind where people would not want peace? this is a desire, a human desire. we must reach this human desire
through reasonable means, through realistic approach. and that is done with a condition that the gains of afghanistan the past ten years not be compromised, that the gains of a woman not be compromised, that our children must continue to go to school, that our constitution be respected and recognized, and that having fulfilled that, that the taliban who agreed to this and the absolute majority of them agreed to this will return to their homes in dignity. >> and what level are talks with the taliban going on? are they taking place at your level, at the highest levels? who is talking to people in the taliban? >> the high council for peace is authorized by the afghan people to talk with the taliban. they have been talking to the
taliban, they're engaged in that talk with the taliban. these are initial contacts being made. but these contactses will not yield results, would not give us the results that we seek unless and until the united states and pakistan especially with our other allies back with practical application of the means that they have at their disposal. >> so let's talk about the specific case of pakistan. pakistan's intelligence services has influence with the hakani faction who controls many of the in-sur xwebts attacks. what they seem as to want is control over three or maybe four regions, provinces, in afghanistan. are you willing to cede parts of afghanistan to their control in order to get a peace deal?
s sgh. >> we are not going to make deals on behalf of the afghan people where a group or a segment, a political segment, is given a part of the country. that will not happen. afghanistan has a constitution. afghanistan has a state structure. those who join the peace process must respect the afghan constitution and the constitution does not allow that. >> why has it proved so difficult to bring the taliban in? is it that there is no central group, no central address or leader that you could gosh crate with? what seems to be the obstacle? >> there are forces beyond the means of afghanistan that are interfering in this process that have power over the process. unless those forces begin to cooperate, the taliban will not be able to come forward as a group, as a unified structure. >> is pakistan the key there?
>> pakistan is extremely important for a quick solution, yes. >> mr. president, i remember the many public disputes that you and president new share he have used to have and you why issed that they were in pakistan. i denied it. you once said to me when osama bin laden is found, he will be found in a pakistani city. it turns out you were right about osama. did you still believe the leadership of al qaeda and the taliban are in pakistan? >> well, i don't exactly know where al marra is. when they're in pakistan or across the border. we were just in pakistan, we had
a very detailed, very heart to heart brother to brother dialogue. and i sincerely hope very, very much that that dialogue will yield results for the good of all of us. >> you sound like you're getting soft on pakistan because you're going to have to live with them as american forces draw down. >> well, we have learned to do things that we can do, that we find affordable for us. >> let me ask you finally, mr. president, back to the central question. if american troops draw odown a the security conditions worsen, the afghan national army is not able to cheer and holear and ho taken security in parts of afrg, would you foe back to president obama and say -- and ask him to revisit the issue and perhaps
reverse therawdown? >> i will not do that. it is the responsibility of the afghan people to protect their country and to provide security for the citizens of the country. and if you fail in fulfilling our most important responsibility with regard to our country and our people, then somebody else should take over. >> powerful words. president karzai, as always, a pleasure and we hope it talk to you again tonight. >> good to talk to you. >> and we will be back with the strange case of a disappearing date. there is a date this year that simply will not exist. we'll slain. at bayer, we've been relieving pain for over 100 years. and today, we're re-inventing aspirin for pain relief. with new extra-strength bayer advanced aspirin.
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welcome back. come with me now on a long journey to a far off island nation about halfway between hawaii and new zealand, somoa. its large volcano valleys make it a mostly agricultural thags. it has no military whatsoever and shoouldn't be confused with american samoa. if you attempted to visit, do not plan a celebration there on december 30th because that day will simply not exist there. the calendar will jump from the 29th of december to the 31st. what in the world, right? it's actually a smart economic decision. samoa is just 20 miles away from the enter national date line. it's an imaginary longitude that
marks a change in date when we fly or sail or staem over it. that line was created more than a century ago when it was decided samoa would be 11 hours behind greenwich meantime outside of london. three hours behind pacific time in los angeles. the theory went being on a similar time to the americas would benefit trade. but the types are changing. samoa now does most of its business with its neighbors. but sid any in australia is ten hours ahead of london. and bear with me on the math they're. that means samoa has been conducting most of itz trade with a country that is 21 hours ahead of it. so when it's friday morning in samoa, australian clients are already at the beach on a sunday any saturday. and when the aussies go back to work on monday, the samoans are still at sunday church or whatever they do on sundays.
come december 29th, that will all change. samoa will leap forward a day and it will be just three hours ahead of sydney. samoans already that one historic change to align itself with australia in 2009, it switched from driving on the right side of the road as we do to the left side of the road. now they can import cheaper cars from next door. on the one hand, samoa's shift is a story about how economics dictates policy. but it's also a larger narrative about the quiet success of australia. australia's growth rate has averaged nearly 4% for the last two decades, higher than almost every other rich country. it may be on the bottom of the map, but it's top of almost every live ability index. the unemployment rate is low, deficit is almost negligible, strong education, universal health care. so how did it get there? aussies hey put it down to good
luck. they had good weather, abundant natural resources and abilities to mine metals and minerals. but that's not the whole story. australi australia's real economic rise dates back to the 1980s and a series of forward thinking reforms. the government floated its dollar and made the central bank independent. it maintained a budget surplus and kept inflation in check. state owned firms were privatized, industries deregulated. when the global financial crisis hit will 2008, australia's banks benefitted from a more conservative regulated approach. they were not overleveraged, so they weathered the storm. robust trade with china soaked up a potential drop in australian consumer command. australia's been smart on another issue that flaigs american law makers these day, immigration. it has gone from 98% angelo celtic population after the second world war to having a quarter of its current population born abroad.
asians make up 10% of the population. much of the real growth in australia's gdp can be attributed to immigration and population growth. there's much speculation about a lost decade for the united states economy. all samoa had to do to rev up its economy is lose a day. i wish we had that option. we'll be right back. are you selling u.s. treasuries because you worry that the u.s. does not have the political will? >> wi find better value in government bonds outside the u.s. right now. renewal toothpa. it not only removes up to 90% of surface stains in just two weeks, it also strengthens and rebuilds your enamel. new crest 3d white enamel renewal toothpaste. life opens up when you do. but when she got asthma, all i could do was worry ! specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice... and my hands were full. i couldn't sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it's different. we have access to great specialists, and our pediatrician gets all the information. everyone works as a team.
authorities say six are dead and others are still hissing from friday's tractor trailer truck division with an amtrak train. the driver slid more than 300 feet before hitting the train which was carrying over 200 passengers. in mino chlt, the souris river is cresting today, though inches lower than expected. as many as 4,000 homes are flooded and the third of the town has been evacuated. water levels are expected to begin falling later this evening. and pakistani militants launched their second attack in the past two days. no one was killed in today's
bombing, but saturday's attack left ten officers dead. that attack according to the associated press was carried out by a husband and wife suicide team. and those are your top stories. thousa now back to gps. will greece default? will portugal, italy, spain and other nations fall like dominos if degrees does? does it matter? how about the united states? we don't really risk default, do we? mohamed el-erian is the ce off of pimco, and he's written a sue push back on marketsoff of pimco, and he's written a sue push back on markets and mayhem. he joins me. let's start with just that question. for a long time, the europeans have tried to find some way that they could kick the can down the road, that they could roy some kind of assistance because i think they fear a lee maaym leh
event. >> you're right, europe has been kicking the can down the road treating greek's problem as a liquidity problem. i don'tic look the analogy of kicking the can down the road. think of rolling a snowball down a hill. two things happen when you do that. first, the snowball or the problem gets bigger. and secondly, the dynamics start accelerating and becoming more disorderly. that's exactly what he's happening in dre happening in greece. degrees has two problems. it has too much debt and cannot grow. and until these problems are solved, more and more of europe is going to be contaminated. we had a massive bailout a year ago in greece. massive. a year later, every single
indicator in greece is worse off. >> one part of that rope, a substantial part of that reason, is that it has had to adopt policies of austerity. cutting spending, raising taxes. and that when you do it in a fragile economy, of course, you're taking money out of the economy. the government isn't spending on all the things it used to, it's firing people rather than hiring people, all that has a downward spiral effect on demand. does that mean in the u.s. as we think about these issues of should we have another stim ligs, should we start cutting the budget, is the lesson that while the u.s. economy is fragile, don't cut budgets substantially? >> the united states is fundamentally different from greece in a number of respects. first it has a lot more time. because the u.s. supplies global public goods. it supplies the dollar as a reserve currency, it supplies the deepest markets can means other countries are willing to
outsource the savings. will gives the u.s. much more time to deal with its fiscal policy issues. the second issue is that the u.s. actually is a much more vibrant economy. the problems facing the u.s. are not an engineering issue as much as a political issue. we need political will, you need democrats and republicans to come together to deal with four structural impediments. and they should be able to come that over time. so when we look at the u.s., yes, this is a public gfinance issue, but it's certainly nothing like greece. >> so when pimco looks at this situation, are you selling u.s. treasuries because you worry that the u.s. does not have the political will? as you say, in our case, there are many solutions. greece's case, there isn't a good solution. we have many solutions, just not political will at least, nor apparent political will on deal with it.
does that make you despair enough that you're selling u.s. enough that you're selling u.wi. does that make you despair enough that you're selling u.s. treasuries? sfwh we find better value in government bonds outside the u.s. so it's an issue of valuation. you should buy or sell based on price. u.s. bonds have benefited enormously from the federal reserve buying them under the qe-2 program. which ends at the end of june. put another way, the fed has been buying about 70% of treasury issues. basic rule is don't buy something unless you know who else is going to be buying. so when we look at treasury, we soot l. s see the big buyer stepping away and we ask the question who else will be buying at these levels and we can't identify another buyer of the size of the fed. >> do you have time does the u.s. have? >> in terms of immediate
valuations,ic the end of the qe-2 program is a major event that the market is underestimating. longer term, i think hatwo to these years. it's very important to recognize what your alarm clock is. all of us would like to wake up just as the alarm clock is going off, but a lot of us cannot. a lot of us have type one an type two errors. type one is you wake up before your alarm clock and you sit there and you're early, but at least you don't miss 9 al lorm clock. the other alter that difference is you oversleep and you sleeve throu sleep through the alarm clock. >> do you think an actual default on the debt limit would be a big event for the markets? >> it would be simply because of
the technical link argues. if the u.s. would not only fail to get agreement on the debt ceiling, but end up cutting more than just expenditures on transfers but actually not meet a debt payment, then we would be in the land of the unpredictable. >> so your advice to the american political system would be do not lay with this issue? >> my advice is please try and get together and solve this issue in the context of a medium term reform package. if you're going to kick the can down the road, kick the can rather than face something that could be catastrophic in terms of legal contracts being triggered. >> hoe hmohamed el-erian, a ple. we have to have you on again. thank you so much. >> thank you, fareed. >> and we will be right back.
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story of ice land crown sourcing it new constitution using facebook, twitter and youtube on determine what the icelandic people want to see. so we thought we'd experiment for the american constitution. that inspired perhaps the strongest reaction that we have ever gotten here at gps. thousands and thousands of e-mails, tweets, facebook messages and posts on our mess being a board. about one-third of you thought no revision was necessary and shall expressed that opinion rather colorfully to say the least. among the other two-thirds, there were some very popular ideas for amendments. eliminating the electoral college. other popular amounts included a ban on corporate donations in elections. a six year president hal term with no re-election. a fat tax on oun healthy food, an upper age limit on elected
officials, a ban on discrimination of left-handed people. i wasn't aware that there was a big problem. and my personal favorite was limit zakaria to two stupid commen comments a month. to dig deeper on this and whether or not it's really feasible, jeffrey toobin, cnn senior legal analyst. jeff, we're unusual as a country, we're a very young country, but we have a very old constitution. and political system about if you position about it. our constitution, our lil system is older than every european cup. >> we have the oldest written constitution of any democracy in the world. and it's only been amended 27 times. and it stood us in very good said, but i think it is not sack crow sang and it is a good idea to think about what shouldn't have been done in the first place and how you can improve it p aboutidea to think about what shouldn't have been done in the first place and how you can improve it p about. >> the german constitution, i've
read once, is very similar to the american one, but more modern, it doesn't have some of the kings oig. for example people point out that the second amendment is a grammatical mess. whatever -- >> nearly incomprehensible as a sense tensz, yes. >> so are this things that constitutional scholars look at and say these have been problems for 222 year sthsthings that constitutional scholars look at and say these have been problems for 222 year sths? >> the two biggest controversies have always been in terms of the structure of the document, the electr electr lector cal chenlg and is that the. both give powers to the states as opposed to individuals. >> and the issue with the senate is you end up giving -- >> 400,000 people -- i just did the hath. wyoming has 400,000 people and two senators and california has 6 million people and two
senators. it is hard to just gify that 37 >> and the justification was that states as states have some kind of inherent quality.7. >> and the justification was that states as states have some kind of inherent quality.. >> and the justification was that states as states have some kind of inherent quality. >> and the justification was that states as states have some kind of inherent quality.>> and that states as states have some kind of inherent quality.. >> and the justification was that states as states have some kind of inherent quality. that deserves representation. maybe that was true in the 1th september sclurry, but today you drive from one state to another, it's very difficult to see why they should have political rights as states. >> particularly small states. even it at the beginning, the concern was that new york and virginia and massachusetts, which were the big states, would overwhelmit at the beginning, t concern was that new york and virginia and massachusetts, which were the big states, would overwhelmt at the beginning, th concern was that new york and virginia and massachusetts, which were the big states, would overwhelm at the beginning, the concern was that new york and virginia and massachusetts, which were the big states, would overwhelm the smaller states. it's very hard to see how that applies today. particularly when comes to the electoral college. the argument this favor of the electr electoral college used to it be gives shawl states a certain amount of power. when was the last time you saw a presidential candidate campaign in wim owe mink?
we have elections in about four or five states. ohio, florida, a pew other states this the midwest. and that's it. all the rest of the states are completely irrelevant, including the small states. >> as to . >> no wael that could change? >> it is very hard to justify this crazy system where people in new york, in california, texas, are essentially irrelevant throughout all presidential campaigns except as fund raising sources. just the way contemporary american poll sicks is. new york, colorado, overwhelming democratic. no republican will waste time campaigning there. texas is a republican state. so these states are ignored. and there are millions and millions of voters in these states who get no attention and it really does affect our politics. the substance of our politics, as well. for decades, we subsidized ethanol because iowa, where they grow a lot of corn, was such an
important presidential state. so this has substantive impact as well as political science impact p. >> would it be fair to say that our senate is probably the most unrepresentative upper house of addressed democracies with the possible exception of britain's house of lords? >> britain ever since tony blair is much more representative. tone any blair got rid of the hereditary peers, whereas we still have this ludicrous disproportion in terms of small states and big states having the same amount -- same number of senators. so i think we're actually worse than the house of lords. >> and it's interesting. i talked briefly and one of the things i talked was a qulas on the american constitution and the debates that came out of the american constitution which went on for 200 years to the present. and america is unique in that it is founded not on nationalism but on political ideas and the constitution is the heart of that and that's why i think
people are so sensitive to the idea of changing it. >> people are so sensitive, but -- and no one has greater refer advance for it than do i. but it is worth remembering that it wonderful convocation that we celebrate, they also enshrined shavely. it took 100 years to get rid of that and then another 1 years for those amendments to mean anything. the 1860s, they said black people could vote, but no black people voted until the 1960s when lyndon johnson got the voting rights passed. so, yes, the constitution is a wonderful document, but infallible, it never was and still isn't. >> jeff toobin, fascinating. thank you so much. and we will be right back. ♪
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personal pricing now on brakes. tell us what you want to pay. we do our best to make that work. deal! my money. my choice. my meineke. united nations secretary general ban ki-moon won a unanimous vote for re-election on us and that leads to our challenge question which is ban ki-moon put his land on the original u.n. charter to take
his oath of office. where is that charter kept? is it the secretary general's office in new york, the united nations archives in geneva, the united states national archives in washington, d.c., or the herbst theater in san francisco whether it was signed in 1945? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. go to cnn.com/gps for ten more questions and while you're there, make sure you check out our website, the global public square where you will find smart interviews and takes by some of our favorite exports. and don't to get you can follow us on facebook and twitter. this week's book of the week is terrific. peter godwin's the fear. it's a beautifully written harrowing account of the rue nation of a country. the country is zimbabwe where he was born. the year is 2008. that's when the nation's long time tyrannical ruler lost an election and brutalized his nation as punishment.
and now for the last look. it is the smash hit of the summer this norway. more than one-half of that nation's population tuned in this week to see what has been billed as the world's longest chlt v program, 134 hours in length. it isn't shall gripping drama with great cliffhangers or racy mini series and i guess you could call it a reality show. but humans were only bit platers. it was a live camera, actually 11 of them, showing the ocean, some trees, rocks,yters. it was a live camera, actually 11 of them, showing the ocean, some trees, rocks,ers. it was a live camera, actually 11 of them, showing the ocean, some trees, rocks, from accrues ship as it navigated around norway. really, this is what gets the norwegians to rally around their television sets. take a look and a listen. [ ocean waves ]