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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  June 28, 2011 11:00pm-12:00am PDT

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we begin with breaking news tonight. a daring deadly suicide bombing attack on a hotels in kabul. the intercontinental frequented by westerners. six attackers in all, at least one blowing himself up. the others spreading mayhem and murder for hour after hour until nato choppers picked off three of them on the hotel roof and other security forces cleared the hotel. right now all six bombers are reported dead. as for fatalities that is unclear. reporter erin cunningham managed
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to get close to the scene. she joins us now by phone. erin? >> reporter: what it looks like is the taliban fighters launched an atault on the hotels in which at least one blew himself up at the front gate in order to allow the other gunmen to enter. after that they took positions on the roof of the hotel where they were engaged in an hour-long gun battle with the afghan police. later on the afghan national army arrived at the scene, stormed the hotel and evacuated many of the guests. it's unclear right now how many guests were actually staying at the hotel at the time. however, there were rpgs being launched, artillery fire, and it finally concluded with nato attack helicopters coming to engage the insurgents on the roof. >> erin, this clearly has hallmarks of other attacks that we have seen, even in cube kabul itself and in pakistan, small groups of suicide bombers
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invading facilities and basically shooting who they can blowing people up and trying to create as much mayhem as possible. it echoes back to the mumbai attacks in india. what did it say to the fact this essentially had to be brought to an end by nato gun ships and that afghan security forces in the capital didn't seem up to the job of doing this themselves? >> reporter: right. i think that's a major concern right now, and a question that has to be answered by the afghan security forces in the coming days as it becomes more clear how this attack unfolded. now the attack itself while spectacular isn't necessarily a strategic gain for the taliban. the taliban cannot take the city per se but they can launch these high-profile attacks that draw a lot of attention. and then it falls on the afghan security forces to end it quickly.
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but there is still that divide between the afghan security forces being able to stave off an attack and actually end it without calling on nato for help. >> you have an update on the death toll? >> reporter: well, i just spoke with the afghan -- the kabul chief of police who said that ten people were killed but he did not distinguish between civilians and security forces. but this is in addition to the six attackers that were killed. >> all right. erin cunningham, appreciate it. stay safe. thanks, erin keeping them honest in a story we brought you last night that's not going away because it concerns michele bachmann a leading presidential contender whose answers to some questions are either incomplete, miss tacken of flat out wrong. congresswoman michele bachmann has bit her political career campaigning against big government and it's a platform she's running on. but according to her personal sfamts she's benefitted from one of the biggest of big government programs.
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she denies it despite what's written on her own political disclosure forms. we noticed when confronted with those facts she dodges or tries to change the subject. watch what happened today when our producer caught up with her in myrtle beach, south carolina. >> again we've answered that question so many times and everyone's tired of it. at this point what we do know to be true is that my husband and i have never take an dime, that farm belongs to my father-in-law. people are interested in big issues. this is a big campaign. and so that's a talking point for the democrat party. and there's nothing to it. we've never gotten a dime. >> never gotten a dime. she says it's a talking point for the democrats. basically the same answer she gave to fox news over the weekend although she said she didn't even get a penny i believe it was. she said even less to cbs news. yet on several accounts her answers simply do not seem to square with her own financial disclosures. the farm in question belonged to her late father in law. according to "the los angeles times" records show congresswoman balkman is a partner in the family balkman family farm lp.
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they now own the land now being farmd by others. when her father-in-law was farming on it records show the company that she was a partner of got more than $145,000 in corn subsidies between 1995 and 2007, more than $105,000 in dairy program subsidies for the same period. 7300 in livestock subsidies. all this according to the environmental working group which gets its numbers from the ag culture department. that's more than a quart of a million dollars -- she opposes the affordable healthcare act obama care as big government intrusion into the free market. for years she's been okay with government price supports and subsidies on the farm. her own financial disclosure forms reveal she received between 32 and $105,000 of income from balkman farm family lp between 2006 and 2009. we can't say for sure about 2007
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because the form's illegible and we don't know about any farther back because the disclosure form only covers her time in congress. when she says she's never got an dime from the farm she's contradicting her own disclosure filings. it's possible her filings have been wrong year after year or maybe her recollection is wrong. in any case, you saw what happened when we asked her about it this evening. we invited her on the program tonight. she declined. did the same thing last night. she did however appear on all five network morning showses today where not a single interinterviewer asked her about the farm. when bob shafer asked the question miss balkman changed the subject. >> what about farm subsidies? you benefit from farm subsidies on your family farm. do you think we ought to think about cutting those back? >> i think everything needs to be on the table right now. . every part of government. i'll tell you one thing that should be on the table, under barack obama the last two years the number of federal limousines for bureaucrats has increased 73% in two years.
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i can't think of anything more reprehensible than seeing bureaucrats on their cell fowlkes phones in the back -- 73% increase in the number of federal limb scenes in the last two years? foreof en's sake. >> you're not seriously saying that eliminating limousine service is anywhere equal to reducing farm subsidies. >> what i'm saying is that i think that's an easy one that we need to do -- clearly president obama is not serious about cutting spending. >> joining us now is chief political analyst gloria borger and erick erickson of red gloria the congresswoman says one thing, her financial forms say another. they could be wrong or she could be wrong. >> right. >> can she continue doing that? i mean, sort of dodging the questions? or will she have to explain the discrepancy at some point? >> at some point she's going to have to do it, anderson, and we'll continue asking the questions. not because you want to play gotcha. but because when you're a presidential candidate, trust matters.
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and these things can come back to haunt you. people want answers to these voting for president is a very personal vote. i think back to the 2006 campaign when barack obama -- when senator barack obama was thinking about running, i should say, in 2006, he had a questionable land deal. he came out and said it was a bone-headed mistake. and anderson, the 2008 campaign, it still came back to haunt him. hillary clinton asked about it. so you can be sure that other republicans, if she gets a lot of traction, are going also to start asking her questions about this. because it matters. because she's campaigned against big government, and if she is in fact benefitting from big government she ought to tell people exactly what occurred. and if she has a good explanation for it, give it. >> erick, do you think it matters? you could say, well, look, it's not a lot of money over the course of several years.
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and this is nitpicking. >> you know, i do think it matters. in fact a number of conservatives i've talked to in the past year when she first started hinting about this, this was the issue they raised. i've got to tell you listening to this report, when i was a lawyer i dealt in some of these issue ups. if it was a limited part partnership and she was a limited partner she couldn't have declined them if the general partner the father-in-law wanted them. it is a fact that if the limited partnership was renting land to another farmer who took ag subsidies, those ag subsidies were attributed to the owner of the land, not the person leasing the land. so that could be the issue. she's going to have to explain what the issue is. there maybe no there there. she did vote to end ag subsidies even though she apparently was getting money for it which is commendable. but she definitely needs to do a detailed answer on this. >> i believe the time in question is when her father-in-law was actually operating the farm. i think it's now operated by somebody else. but gloria, balkman's former chief of staff said today she's not qualified to be president
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and endorsed tim pawlenty instead. how much stock can you put a former employee saying something like that? did they end badly? >> he's a pawlenty guy. you can always come out and say as sarah palin did of those former mccain aides, well, they just didn't like me and that's why they're saying these things about me. but he's not just saying that tim pawlenty is more qualified on the issues or i agree with him on the issues. he was quite specific about it. he called her campaign offices wildly out of control and said that she was without any leadership experience or real results from her years in office. experience is really an important issue this year for republicans. because they claim that barack obama's problem was that he had no experience. and so they say they need to run somebody who can show that they have the experience to lead that barack obama did not have. so this is a pretty strong criticism.
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>> erick, do you think she could be the republican nominee? >> you know, if i had to call the race today, anderson, probably not. but she's making some impressive gains in places i wouldn't think she would make gains. there's a poll out today she's ahead of romney in oregon. i think ultimately what's going to happen is what so often happens with meteoric rices there's going to be a meteoric crash when the other candidates decide to pile on her. what happened to romney will happen to her. there will be a huge pile on not by the media but by republicans. >> erick, what does this do to sarah palin? i know palin's in iowa for the premiere of this new movie about her called "the undefeated." what do you think this means for sarah palin? >> i realize there are a lot of palin fans out there who think palin's the only person should be getting into the race. there are a lot of people who aren't necessarily again palin but thinking what's the rationale for her to get in it if texas governor rick perry gets into it as well? i got a preview of the movie. and i understand why the
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campaign is doing this. they want to rehabilitate her image. fit works maybe she's get in. but i got to think there are a lot of people who are suspicious of palin going to get a movie ticket and see the movie. >> gloria sarah palin is sort of for some sucking up the oxygen in early voting states before the rest of the republican field can really get a foothold. >> yeah. she goes to new hampshire the day mitt romney announces, she goes to iowa the day after michele bachmann announces. i think she's become sort of the political equivalent of a wedding crasher. she's kind of going to these parties that these people don't really want her at. and that's because i think -- and i still believe -- she's not going to run. maybe bristol palin will tell us because she says she knows. i still think she's not going to run but she wants to be a kingmaker. and i think one way to do that is to convince republicans that you're still relevant to the party beyond tweeting now and then.
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and i think that's what this is all about. >> gloria, erick erickson, appreciate it. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter ads ads and @ anderson cooper. a true dilemma in the case of the alleged gunman jared loughner. can he be forced to take drugs to make him mentally fit enough to stand trial? what does the law say, what do doctors say? we're going to get a ruling by a judge tomorrow. tonight dr. sanjay gupta and sonny hosten join me to talk about it. and more testimony in the casey anthony trial, including the meter reader who found caylee anthony's body and whether he con tame nated the evidence by touching her body. also her dad back on the stands answering allegations about an contaminate. [ dennis ] there's mayhem in the world. like it or not, it's a part of life. mayhem doesn't announce itself. it doesn't call ahead. mayhem doesn't care if you're on vacation or just remodeled your kitchen
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he's being treated in a federal psychiatric hospital in missouri after a judge ruled him mentally incompetent to stand trial. lawyers want to stop doctors -- his lawyers -- from being able to forcibly give him psychotropic drugs that could restore him to competency, that could treat his skits friend yeah. this raises medical, ethical and legal questions. i spoke with all these earlier about sonny hosten of in session tv and dr. sanjay gupta. >> what do we know about his current medical state? is there any change since he was declared unfit to stand trial back in may? >> it doesn't sound like it. he's been in the hospital. there's been most recently this question about medicating him. and that sort of prompted this entire discussion now about whether or not he could be medicated. but it sounds like he still has some of the same issues that have led to this hospitalization in the first place. having sort of the schizophrenic paranoid delusional sort of behavior, not being in touch
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with reality and unable to confer or actually have conversations with his lawyers that are meaningful. >> and how successful are anti-psychotic medications that he was throwing a chair, spit on his lawyers? >> it can be very effective, in fact. this whole idea of putting someone back in touch with reality, making them more cognizant, organizing their thinking in some ways. there's been plenty of evidence now to show that these medications can do this. these sort of outbursts that he had in the courtroom at the time that we heard about them, most recently the throwing of the chairs and the spitting on the lawyers, those sorts of violent outburst can also be tempered to some degree by these medications. so there is a pretty long history. and again my understanding is that the medications were just tried over a few days so there hasn't been enough evidence in his case specifically to say how they would work. >> legally and ethically it's kind of a dilemma. because on the one hand his defense attorneys are saying look you guys basically want to
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medicate him so that he's then can stand trial and possibly be killed by the state, i mean, with the death penalty. but prison officials do have the right if they say and if there's an administrative hearing that agrees that the person is a danger to himself or to other. >> in 2003 the supreme court sort of laid out the rules as to when you can forcibly medicate someone. that's a serious thing. i think most people are very uncomfortable with forcing medication -- the or way is to have an administrative hearing where the defendant isn't represented by counsel but is represented by a staff representative. that is apparently what happened here. the bureau of prisons had the administrative hearing. there was a staff representative. but my understanding that staff representative didn't say anything on loughner's behalf, and loughner was in fact asking for his attorneys. >> the defense is saying that look, basically the prison is
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making an end run, they're using this administrative hearing saying he's a danger to others. but they're saying there are plenty of people who have done worse things and have not been forcibly medicated. >> right. that's the problem with the supreme court decision. there's a bit of wiggle room. how do you define dangerous to others especially in a case like loughner's who is in isolation. he's by hiem self. after sick months all he has done is spit on attorneys which is not a great thing but he tossed around a plastic chair twice. does that equal dangerous under the supreme court ruling? i think there's wiggle room there and that's what the defense is arguing. >> sanjay, where does the medical community come in or fall when it comes to forcing an inmate or a patient to take drugs against their will that will then lead to them to be put on trial where they could face the death penalty? >> the duality of it is that you obviously want to treat the person and help them get better. but it is the possibility that them getting better could lead them to stand trial and possibly face death. i think the medical community as a whole, it's a hot button issue.
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i think more so people would fall behind the idea you can't mandate or force treatment, certainly in competent people. and in people who are deemed to be not competent, that they have some sort of person who is speaking on their behalf or a family member or something, then that person would be making decisions as opposed to a third-party all together. >> sonny, do you think the judge is going to come down tomorrow on the side of the government saying he can be forcibly medicated? >> i think it's very possible. because he'll be in legal limbo otherwise, right? that's sort of what sanjay is saying. if he isn't made competent and he can't aid his defense, he doesn't understand the legal proceedings against him he's in a mental hospital for how long? until he's competent? forever. so i think the judge will take that very seriously. we know there's going to be a hearing tomorrow about 2:00 in san diego, california. the judge willisen to arguments from both sides, even though both sides have argued this on paper. apparently the judge thinks this is serious enough to have a hearing on it. >> sonny hosten, sanjay gupta, thanks. >> thank you. we're following a lot more tonight. tom foreman joins us with a
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quick 360 bulletin a mass protest in cairo turned violent leaving at least 31 people wounded. police fired tear gas and rubber bullets to break up about 1,000 people who gathered in tahrir square early wednesday. many relatives of those killed earlier this year in the uprising that drove hoss any my bother exfrom power in grease riot police fired tear gas to disperse thousands of protestors on day one of a two-day strike that shut down government offices, schools and some transportation services across the country. the protestors are rallying against a vote scheduled for wednesday that would cut government spending and raise taxes. greece has to pass the measure in order to secure the last $17 billion of a bailout from other european nations and to avoid a doe fault on its debt payments french finance minister chis teen lagarde has been voted in as the new head of the international monetary fund. lagarde succeeds dominique strauss-kahn who was arrested in new york last month on sexual assault charges. she's the first woman to run the
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imf and look at this. a teenager survived a 20-foot fall. there he is on the right. from an escalator in a boston subway station. the 18-year-old was caught on surveillance video climbing up this escalator handrail and then tumbling over. his family says he only fractured his elbow. a local tv station reports the teenager told police he had been drinking. anderson? >> wow. coming up, really every day i guess is dramatic in this trial. but today was especially dramatic in the casey anthony murder trial. her family members back on the stand. plus jurors got their first look at the meter reader who found caylee's body. remember the defense made a big deal about this guy during opening statements the defense says this guy named roy kronk was moeshlly bankrupt and that he hid kay caylee's body. did the defense bolster that today or did it backfire? we'll take a look. plus casey's father george anthony on the stand asked whether he had an affair with a volunteer searcher, a woman who says george told her caylee's death was an accident. and a closer look at the
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in orlando the defense in the casey anthony trial is finishing up its case. as we get closer to deliberations the defense is hammering at a number of issues hoping to find a crack in the prosecution's case big enough to qualify as reasonable doubt. in at least one juror ease mind. casey's father george was back on the stand today questioned about an alleged affair from a volunteer searcher.
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the meter reader on the stand defense trying to prove he contaminated the crime scene evidence. >> reporter: for orlando meter reader roy kronk, it was the grisly moment of truth. using a pole he found what the nation had been looking for. >> i was standing behind it, so i was looking at it from behind. and i still didn't think it was real. so i very gently took it and put it into the right eye socket. and i gently picked it up and i looked down and i realized what it was and i set it down as gently as i could and went up and called my area supervisor. >> reporter: it was december 11, 2008. the day 2-year-old caylee anthony's remains were found. for casey anthony's defense team, today was their moment of truth. by putting kronk on the stand they hoped to prove that kronk for months manipulated caylee's remains in the hopes of gaining fame and fortune. the defense set the stage early on for their theory. listen to how attorney jose baez
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described kronk during opening statements over a month ago. >> i want to tell you that mr. kronk -- and again we are not saying mr. kronk had anything to do with caylee's death -- but mr. kronk is a morally bankrupt individual who actually took caylee's body and hid her. there was a $225,000 reward in this case. but it was for a live caylee. mr. kronk didn't read the fine print. and he thought he had himself a lottery ticket. >> reporter: but when kronk took the stand today, defense attorney chaney mason over and over tried and seemed to fail to paint kronk as a man attempting to cash in on a child's death. >> do you remember talking also to the detectives about the issue of the reward you were looking for? >> we were discussing the crime line tip, sir, we weren't talking about the other ones, sir. >> you were joking, you say,
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with alex roberts and the others about finding this body? >> no. we were joking about the money, sir. i never joked about finding the body, sir. that's not what i said. >> reporter: kronk said he went into the wood to relieve himself on august 11, 2008, and saw something that look like a skull. he called police. >> i'm a meter reader with orange county. and i had the route today that included the anthony's home. i noticed something that looked white. and there there was like a gray bag down in there. i don't know what it is. i'm not telling you it's caylee or anything of that nature. >> reporter: he called them again the next day. finally he called them a third time and says when police arrived at the scene, they barely searched. >> did you watch deputy cain go into the woods? >> yes,sir. sorry. >> did you see him get close to where you had seen the skull? >> am i aloud to say this? am i aallowed to say what happened? >> did you see deputy cain get close? >> he went down to the water
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line, did, this did this, walked back up the bank, slipped on the mud and then chewed me out for half an hour is exactly what happened. >> reporter: at times, instead of testimony it seemed like a test of wills. >> do you remember january 6, 2009, sir, giving a recorded statement to corporal yuri melich when your counsel mr. david evans behind us was there, and eric edward. do you remember doing that? >> i don't mean to be rude, sir, burr you're being a little vague. >> reporter: earlier, casey anthony father george took the stand again with the defense implying he had an affair while his granddaughter was missing. >> do you know a woman by the name of crystal holloway? >> i know her by that name and also another name. >> what other name do you know her by? >> river cruz. >> did you have a romantic relationship with her? >> no, sir. no. to me that's -- that's very funny. >> very funny. >> yes,sir.
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>> and were you ever intimate with her? >> no, sir. and also -- that's also very funny. >> reporter: george anthony main as that holloway was just a volunteer who helped look for his granddaughter. the defense allegation that george anthony in a moment of intimacy confess today holloway that his granddaughter's death was an accident that snowballed out of control. >> did you, prior to finding your granddaughter, tell crystal holloway or river cruz that caylee's death was an accident that snowballed out of control? >> well, sir, to clarify your question, i never found my granddaughter. to this day i never found her. and to say that i had said something to her about as been stated or even by you here that something might have snowballed out of control, that conversation was never there. >> it seemed like the defense had a lot riding on the meter reader kronk's testimony. it doesn't sound like they did much to prove their theory,
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though. >> no. you know, anderson, every day is of course a big day for the defense team, but today was really huge. and for roy kronk to take the stand there. because as we know, jose baez had made this grand statement in his opening argument that he was going to show that kronk somehow had taken control of caylee anthony's remains and had manipulated them for fame and fortune. everybody in the courtroom, when he got on that stand they did one of these, leaned forward in the seats. even the jury did that. they were laser focused on him. but in the end, most of those profession am and unprofessional observers in the courtroom felt that defense failed to make that point and in fact it was really not a good day for the defense team when it came to roy kronk. >> martin savage, thanks. >> yep. just ahead we are going to dig in deeper to the relationship between casey anthony and her dad, especially defense claims which he denies he sexually abused her when she grew up and that's why she acted strangely and lied so much when caylee disappeared. the question is, is there anything in the jailhouse recordings of the
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>> george anthony was back on the stand today denying he had an affair with a volunteer searcher and that he told her caylee's death was an accident
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that snowballed out of control. he denied molesting his daughter casey the defense raised in opening statements. they said that's because she lied after caylee's death because pretending everything was okay was something she learned from a young age because of the alleged abuse. >> good morning, beautiful. i love you. >> i love you, too. >> reporter: from these jailhouse videos it appears as those relationship between casey anthony and her father george is a loving one. >> you're the best father and by far the best grandfather that i've ever met. i'm going to say that and i mean that with all my heart. >> reporter: recorded in 2008, you can hear the retired police officer assure casey he is trying very hard to find his missing granddaughter, caylee. >> i'm doing everything i can. everything i can to help you and help her. i wish there was more i could do. i would give my life right now for you and for her.
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>> reporter: he repeatedly tries to ease his daughter's pain. >> if i could switch places with you this second, i'd do it. i would do it. >> i know that. >> believe me i would. >> reporter: but just three years later, on trial charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter, casey's defense paint a totally different picture of that father-daughter relationship. >> and it all began when casey was eight years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. and it escalated. and it escalated. >> we've had rumblings for awhile this was where the defense was going to go. but when it came out in opening statements and came out in that way with so much specificity, i think everyone was floored. >> reporter: the defense claims the alleged sexual abuse taught then 8-year-old casey how to keep secrets and is ultimately the reason she was able it lie about caylee's whereabouts after she died. >> if it was an accident, and if
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you have been sexually abused, you don't say anything until ultimately you're facing the death penalty? does that make common sense? most people would say no. >> reporter: as the state's first witness in his daughter's murder trial, george anthony told jurors how he was there in the delivery room for caylee's birth. >> it's just amazing. >> reporter: and denied the claims he sexually abused his daughter. >> have you ever sexually molested your daughter casey anthony? >> no, sir. >> have you ever committed any sexually inappropriate act with or in the presence of your daughter casey anthony? >> no, sir. >> reporter: despite the allegations, every day george anthony is in court supporting his daughter. >> george sits there in court. and many days he has a bible on his lap. and many days he has that bible
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open. and he is reading it. what he is reading, we don't know. but more likely than not it's to give him the strength to keep going. >> reporter: according to their lawyer, george and his wife cindy do not want to see the death penalty for casey. but they are seeking the truth. >> this is such a unique situation. they've lost their granddaughter, and their daughter is facing the death penalty. and they don't know what happened to their granddaughter. so they're trying to find out what the truth is. and they hope to get closure through this. >> reporter: if this case goes into the death penalty phase, i think george and cindy anthony will take that stand as withins and they will beg that jury to save their daughter's life. >> reporter: casey anthony may still be acquitted. if she's found guilty, even a father's undying support might not be enough to save his daughter. >> know that i love you. and i want you home. i want you home. >> i love you, too. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, granddaughter, and their daughter is facing the death penalty. and they don't know what happened to their granddaughter. so they're trying to find out what the truth is. and they hope to get closure through this. >> reporter: if this case goes into the death penalty phase, i think george and cindy anthony will take that stand as withins and they will beg that jury to save their daughter's life. >> reporter: casey anthony may still be acquitted. if she's found guilty, even a father's undying support might not be enough to save his daughter. >> know that i love you. and i want you home. i want you home.
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>> i love you, too. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> it's interesting. it may look chaotic to the defense attacks on multiple front with everything they can looking for any way to raise a reasonable doubt. but as their case winds down they also face what maybe their toughest decision, whether or not to put casey on the stand. i spoke about it with former prosecutor paul henderson in san francisco and andrea lyon a law professor casey anthony's previous defense attorney. >> paul, george anthony on the stand today denying an affair with the volunteer, denying caylee's death was an accident that snowballed out of control. coming down to a he said she said situation here. how do i think it played today? >> i think this is more of a distraction. and the defense is trying to get in all of this side issues to distract the jury from focusing on the real central issue, which is how did this child die and who was responsible for it. and so to me, the facts that are the allusions of the father maybe having an affair or
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wandering around or who he was involved with in terms of how the search took place to me is a real distraction from the ultimate issue in the case. i'm just not as concerned with it. >> andrea, clearly the defense is trying to bring up everything they can possibly think of -- >> sure. >> -- which i guess is their job. but does it make them look kind of scattered? >> well, you have to remember that george anthony said to this woman that it was an accident. and that is the defense theory. >> he denies it, though. >> of course he denies it. but she confirmed it. he's going to deny it now. but that's in fact what at least the investigation at the time i was on the case showed. >> andrea, we also heard from roy kronk, the meter reader, who discovered caylee's remains. the defense is saying he tampered with the remains, planted them in the woods to collect the reward money. he denied that today on the stand.
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you still think he could be damaging to the state's case? >> he's damaging to the state's case for a number of reasons. first, his own testimony today was that he put his stick into the skull and moved it, that he moved the bag. so that means that if those were the remains that were there and they were not moved, he at least disturbed the scene. at the very minimum that was what was shown. secondly, his behavior is pretty difficult to square with someone who is being a good citizen. and he called his son, told his son that he was going to be famous and going to be on tv long before he discovered the body. >> he denies that, though. he testified he did not tell his son. >> you haven't heard all the evidence yet. and again i expect that based on at least the investigation when i was still on the case we'd done that this in fact can be proven both by testimony and records. >> go ahead, paul. >> it's all just going to come down to who you're going to
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believe when you're listening to the testimony. and from my perspective, listening to the defense versions of things, even if that was how the body was found, that doesn't take away from the fact that the body was wrapped in that bag. it doesn't take away from the fact that the duct tape was on the baby. it doesn't take away from the fact that baby was hidden, not discovered until months later from when the baby disappeared. >> yes, it does take away from it. up [ overlapping speakers ] >> it means the scene was disturbed and there isn't proof that in fact it was a murder. >> andrea and paul, let me ask you both at this point. the defense had said they were probably going to be able to rest by later this week. thursday maybe. does it seem to you at this point that they are not going to put casey anthony on the stand, paul? >> i don't think that they are going to put casey anthony on the stand. i think it's going to be really
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hard for them to put her on the stand and subject her to a severe cross-examination based on her scat terd testimony in the past about what has happened in this case and what she actually has done in this case. they're going to want to know why she told the stories that she told. we're going to question her and challenge -- i don't think -- >> andrea, do you think they're going to put her on the stand in if they don't, andrea, do you think it's a problem that they raised all these things in the opening statements that they haven't really addressed like alleged sexual abuse? >> well, here's the thing. as i've said before, it's a very difficult decision as to whether to put the defendant on the stand. once you do, all bets are off. and it's does the jury believe her or not. if you don't put her on the stand they hold it against her. it's a lose/lose proposition most of the time for the defense. >> paul henderson, andrea lion, appreciate it.
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earlier we told you about the latest violent clashes in egypt between police and the relatives of those killed in that country's revolution. my next guest has take an first-hand look at the uprising sweeping the mid east since the beginning of the year. best-selling author bruce feiler says he's hopeful these youth revolutions will result in
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positive change in the region. i spoke with him earlier. >> i'm really excited by your book because it's looking at the events that are happening right now in the middle east. and every night almost we're covering what's happening in syria and throughout the region. it's very easy to be pessimistic about the future what's happening there. but in your writing you're optimistic about it. you see hope. >> well, you and i have sat at this table. you've been kind enough to invite me a number of time in recent years to talk about this large question of can we get along. which is are we in a holy war between the west and islam? >> right. >> and in almost every one of these conversations somebody will say, where's the voice of the moderates? what are they doing? we're doing all this thing. and this suddenly seemed to me like an enormous event in that conversation we've all been having since 9/11. the reason i called my book "generation of freedom" is that these young people are really at the heart of the conversation. two-thirds of muslims around the world are under 30.
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that's 1 billion people. to understand the stakes here, one in seven human beings alive today is a muslim under 30. we've got to get this right. and so what's going on really is a battle for the hearts and minds of these people. and for 30 years, the chief way that they've been told they can change the world is the fundamentalists. suddenly we have a new narrative. there's a new choice, a new player in the game saying that there is a rival way. >> really since 9/11 it's al qaeda which has been kind of stirring that conversation. and now with the death of osama bin laden, that also changes the conversation. >> and even before his death, in every country there is polling his support has plummeted. the big mosque in cairo last week issued its final -- its vision for the future of the country. this is the chief spiritual authority of egypt. and there were basically three plarngs. number one, they're in favor of democracy. number two, in favor of pluralism. there's been this fear, right, that the 10% of the country
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that's muslim -- christian is not going to be welcomed. they've changed that. but they even went further. and they said that theocracy inches against the principles of islam. so they are now standing -- here's egypt standing up saying we're not going to be iran. and also we're not going to be saudi arabia. my book opens with this 21-year-old -- he's almost like a movie star from the 1950s with the brill cream curls. on january 20th he was thrown into a paddy wagon. but he stuffed a second cell phone into his pocket with. 40 people crammed into this paddy wagon he calls his mother a prominent dissident and they chase down this paddy wagon. she swerves the car, blocks it from going in, and then they storm the back and they let all these people out. he says to me, i said, so are you muslim? he says, well, you know, i'm perhaps not as devout as people say i should be. i identify myself with a muslim. and then he walked arm in arm off with a girl to the rehearsal of one of his four rock bands. so these young people, they're
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saying they're muslim but it is a different kind of islam than is often portrayed in the media here. >> there is also still so much fear in the united states and growing fear in a lot of parts of the united states about islam. >> yes. >> and it's odd because it is happening at this time when that question of, well, why isn't there a reformation in the islamic world? we're seeing some of that as you say. and you hear presidential candidates now talking about giving loyalty tests or asking different questions to a muslim than they would ask -- a muslim american than they would ask to a protestant american. >> i think this is really the big test for us. we have said for ten years, we're ready to make peace. but there's nobody out there to make peace with. we're ready to end the holy war. so i think in an interesting way it becomes a burden back on us. >> when societies which have been under wraps and under pressure for so long, when they do explode or expand or revolt,
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tom freedman on the show said like a lot of weird stuff is going to come out in the coming years. there's going to be a lot of stuff that's going to make us very uncomfortable. you don't deny that. you're just saying on the arc of history is moving in the right direction. >> absolutely. it's going to be messy. i went to see a young 31-year-old human rights activist. and he studies sectarian strife. he's the one person who does it objectively in cairo. i said, what's going to happen? is there a reason to hope or should i fear? he thought for a long time and he said, i think egypt is going to become a normal country. and i was like, all this for that? he's like, no. that's a good thing. take america. you going to have a whacko preacher burns the koran on one hand and social outrage against it. some people in favor of the ground zero mosque and some people against it. this is the first time in a generation that we've seen something coming from there that gives us some sense of hope. there's a billion people.
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this is maybe the best chance we have. not perfect. to include them into the mainstream of the world. >> the book is "generation of freedom." bruce, thanks. >> always a pleasure. thanks. >> we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] and just like that, it's here. a new chance for all of us: people, companies, communities to face the challenges yesterday left behind and the ones tomorrow will bring. prudential. bring your challenges.
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