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have to serve each other and other community. >> reporter: cnn, windsor, connecticut. >> if your choice did not win or you want to check out the runners-up, we'll have links on them at facebook.com/suzannecnn. we continue now with randi kaye. thank you. talk about a shot in the dark. as the cia was closing in on osama bin laden, it apparently called on a pakistani doctor to start a vaccination program in hopes of collecting dna from bin laden family members. that doctor now is in pakistani custody for reasons not entirely clear. it is the latest fascinating chapter in the take-down of the world's most wanted terrorist. my colleague reza sayah joins me from islamabad with all the details. begin by telling us what this plan was supposedly all about. >> reporter: this was a look, a glimpse at high stakes international spying at its
best. a very intricate plot but we should note it's not clear that it actually worked. here's what we do know. pakistani security official is telling us this pakistani doctor is in custody, being suspected of helping the cia set up a plot to find out where bin laden was hiding in abbottabad. they apparently set up a free vaccination campaign offering free vaccinations, free polio drops of the children and residents of abbottabad where this bin laden compound was located. according to the guardian paper, he had hired two nurses. these nurses were going home to home. the plan was to find bin laden's kids, get to them and somehow extract some blood or perhaps use the syringe from one of the vaccinations and match their dna samples with samples of bin laden's sister's dna, bin laden's sister passing away last year in boston, massachusetts. we haven't been able to verify if indeed these two nurses made it into the bin laden compound. we did track down one of them several hours ago, spoke to her
on the phone and she repeatedly said she can't talk about this matter. we have also talked to a number of residents of abbottabad and they tell us that indeed, just days before the bin laden raid in may, two nurses were going around house to house offering vaccinations. we should also note a u.s. official has told the guardian paper this plot was in place but it didn't succeed in getting the necessary dna samples, randi. so a rare glimpse of what the cia was doing in the days leading up to this raid on the bin laden compound. >> just to be clear, they wanted to get this dna to compare it to the sister and what, that would have told them this was indeed bin laden's compound? >> reporter: they could have used it for two things. they could have verified that indeed, bin laden was there and perhaps after they had gotten him, they could have verified that indeed, this was bin laden. it's not clear exactly what they wanted to do with dna samples but what is clear is that they went to great lengths to get these nurses, to set up these
nurses with this doctor to somehow gain access to the bin laden compound and get these dna samples. >> reza, do you have any idea where this doctor is, why he's being held? has he been charged with anything? how is he being treated? >> reporter: we don't know where he is. we just know that he's in custody. it's not clear if he's going to be charged with a crime, not clear why he's been picked up. what we do know is pakistan has said they haven't been happy with how this operation was conducted, this unilateral operation by the u.s. they call it a violation of their sovereignty. there could be a number of reasons why they have taken him into custody. could be payback against washington, it could be payback against these pakistanis that allegedly helped the cia. another plausible reason could be they want to find out how the cia established a very intricate intelligence network here in pakistan on their soil behind the government's back, randi. >> this may say quite a bit, really, about u.s./pakistani
relationships. >> reporter: it certainly does. at this point, those relationships are not good and this is an indication that at least when it comes to the bin laden operation and some intelligence gathering, these are two countries that despite advertising themselves as partners, they're not on the same page. certainly, in fairness to pakistan, we should note that if american citizen was helping pakistani spy services on american soil, he probably would be in custody, too. it is unusual circumstances but certainly not a shocker that this pakistani is being questioned and held in custody. >> reza sayah for us in pakistan, thank you. our sound effect today is the latest public outrage over private information that found its way into rupert murdoch's newspapers in britain. let me say for the record that journalists are supposed to dig up information and just because somebody considers something private doesn't necessarily mean it's not newsworthy. but the murdoch scandal centers
on alleged illegal phone hacks and bribes to police to get phone numbers, voice mails and documents from literally thousands of celebrities, politicians, members of the royal family, even murder victims. it's cnn's in-depth story of the week. today, former british prime minister gordon brown says murdoch papers got hold of his family's bank records. here's what brown told the bbc. >> i think what happened pretty early on in government is that the "sunday times" appeared to have got access to my building society account, they got access to my legal files, there's some question mark about what happened to other files, documentation, tax and everything else, but i'm shocked, i'm genuinely shocked to find that this happened because of their links with criminals. >> brown's predecessor reflected on the murdoch scandal and media transgressions in general with cnn's wolf blitzer.
>> what is important to realize this is not about one group of newspapers or one part of the media or one type of procedure, whether in this case hacking. it's about a whole range of things that need to be looked at so that we understand what's acceptable and what isn't acceptable because in a way, what i was trying to say to you earlier is i think as the result of this, over the years, you tolerated what in a sense is intolerable. because, look, when you're the prime minister, you're running a country, you can't go out there every day and start complaining about the media. the public would say that's fine but get on with your job. >> back in london, a parliamentary committee has summoned murdoch, his son james and head of their news international group to answer questions a week from today. all three are expected to appear. now checking other top stories that we're following. republican presidential candidate ron paul says he won't run for re-election to the house
next year. paul is a 12-term congressman from texas. paul's senior advisor says paul will instead focus all his efforts on winning the republican presidential nomination. it's paul's third attempt to win the white house. in afghanistan, the powerful half brother of afghan president hamid karzai was assassinated today at his home in the southern city of kandahar. officials say he was killed by a trusted guard. the suspect was then killed by other guards. the taliban says the shooter was working for them. ahmed wali karzai was accused by the u.s. and local afghans of being involved in the drug trade and other illegal activities. president karzai spoke to reporters about two hours after the shooting, saying only that quote, this is the life of the afghan people, this sorrow is in every afghan home. high above earth, a final walk in space. these are live pictures that we are bringing to all of you. two crew members of the international space station, you
see it here, venturing out on the last space walk of nasa's space shuttle era. absolutely breathtaking. the two floated over the yucatan peninsula. take a look at these live pictures. their job today is to recover a broken pump and stow it in the cargo bay of shuttle "atlantis" which docked with the space station on sunday. the space walk was scheduled to last about six hours. the "atlantis" mission is the last of the 30-year shuttle program. "atlantis" due to return to earth on july 21st. on the afghan battlefield, it was an act above and beyond the call of duty. army ranger sergeant first class leroy petrie lost his right arm below the elbow while tossing an enemy grenada way from his fellow soldiers. for that act of bravery, president obama will present him with the medal of honor, the country's highest military award. he will become the second living recipient of the medal of honor from the iraq and afghan wars.
the 31-year-old is the father of four children and has served two tours of duty in iraq, six in afghanistan. sergeant petrie, his wife and other family members will join president obama at the white house at the top of the hour for the medal of honor ceremony and we will of course bring that to you live when it happens. meantime, coming up next, one of the biggest school districts in the country, once scoring high marks and high praise, turns out it was all a big lie. cheating, not by students but by teachers and principals. the one man charged with cleaning it all up joins me next. ok. [ cellphone rings ] hey. you haven't left yet. no. i'm boarding now... what's up? um...would you mind doing it again? last time. [ engine turns over ] oooohhhh...sweet. [ male announcer ] the chevy cruze with the my chevrolet app. the remote control car is finally here. well, now she's just playing with us.
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this just in to cnn. president obama has made some very interesting comments about social security during an interview with cbs evening news anchor scott pelley. we want to bring you a couple of those. in the meantime, we want to tell you exactly what he said. he said that he cannot guarantee, this is the president's words, cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their social security checks august 3rd if democrats and republicans in washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks. the exact quote apparently coming from cbs is i cannot guarantee that those checks go out on august 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it. that is a quote from president obama coming to us from cbs. we'll have the tape for you as soon as we can get it in. we wanted you to have that information of course first. meanwhile, if it is an act that defied the basic principles of education, an act that failed
thousands of students and shamed an entire city school district. in the wake of the atlanta public school cheating scandal, interim superintendent has taken a first step to right the alleged wrongs of nearly 200 educators. last night, davis replaced four area superintendents and one principal, nearly a week after an investigation revealed that dozens of atlanta public school educators had falsified standardized tests. also at the meeting, the former school board chairman offered his tearful resignation. >> i failed to protect thousands of children. children who come from homes like mine. >> someone who wasn't at last night's meeting, former superintendent beverly hall, who many blame for creating the environment of cheating and cover-up. instead, hall is vacationing in hawaii and when an atlanta tv
reporter caught up with her, this is what happened. >> there is no escape for atlanta's former deputy superintendent either. a texas school board decided last night to place kathy augustine on paid leave on her first day on the job. you see augustine was just hired as the superintendent of a dallas area school district. i know this is a lot to keep up with as this scandal unravels. so let's do this. let's bring in just a little bit here to talk about the fallout, let's bring in the atlanta public schools interim superintendent, errol davis joining us in studio. last night you took a first step but before we get to that, and your plans to help right this wrong, i want to get your take on what happened in your district. >> well, what happened is very simple.
people failed children, they cheated, and we can't allow that to happen. we can't allow anyone who was involved with that to remain in our system. >> we're talking nearly 200 educators here that may have been involved. how will you decide who to keep, who to terminate? >> again, the names are already out in public. they were named by the special investigator and we are in the process of removing those who have been implicated. they will, of course, be given all of the due process rights that they deserve, but they will not be appearing in front of our children this fall. >> in terms of the charges, what kind of criminal charges might we be talking about? >> again, the criminal charges will be up to the local district attorneys and they will determine the nature and extent of any criminal violations. that's not up to us. the people will also be referred to the professional standards commission to determine whether they will in fact be allowed to keep their credentials or to
teach elsewhere. >> you said the names are out there. is there a possibility we might see more names, that there are more people involved than we even know about right now? >> i think it is a distinct possibility as we speak with each one, as we go through each case, they may in fact implicate others and we will take the appropriate actions as necessary against those as well. >> you have said, i'm quoting you here, a focus on performance does not cause people to cheat. were these teachers and these administrators under pressure, could that have possibly led to this? >> well, i've worked all my life under pressure. i've worked all my life to achieve goals and objectives, and i never thought about cheating. i think what is missing is an understanding that the repercussions and the consequences for cheating will always be and should always be far worse than they would be for missing a target or missing a goal. >> you may not want to point a finger here but i'm going to ask you to. who do you blame? >> again, i believe that all
failures in any industry are leadership failures. i never blame workers when things don't work. it's leadership's responsibility to lead and leadership is accountable for every outcome that takes place on their watch. >> two of the elementary schools with new principals begin classes tomorrow. the rest, august 8th. is there any plan in place, what can we expect from the first day of school now for these kids? how are they going to deal with this? >> again, the people on the ground are much better than i and much more adept and equipped to deal with children, but we do have two new principals ready to go and two of the three schools, and i spoke with the staffs of each of the schools this morning. they are enthused, they are ready to go. they are angry and they are embarrassed that they have been tainted by a very broad brush
when in fact, we have thousands of really excellent teachers who are turning out excellent outcomes. >> what will be the message to the students? will the new principals and teachers sit down with them and explain to them what happened and how it was so wrong, and help them understand how it can't happen again? >> again, i will leave that to the principals. >> do you think they should? >> i think there certainly are lessons to be learned here. there are lessons to be taught and one of the lessons clearly is that cheating is not the way to accomplish any goal or objective. >> how do you fix this besides removing the people who may have been involved? i know you have an action plan. can you give us the highlights of it? >> there are no short-term fixes. we clearly have to make it clear what our values are. there's no particular strategies to put in place because i think culture trumps strategy always. we have to change the culture. it has to be a more open, more engaging -- i was very surprised this morning to find out that many of these employees had
never seen the superintendent or met the superintendent, and i assured them that i was there. of course, i was there today but i'll be back tomorrow for the first day of school and i will visit all of the schools. >> how much pressure do you feel right now? >> oh, i don't feel any pressure. this is my third career. i think i'm becoming the patron saint but i am enjoying myself to the extent that one can in this environment. >> what are you hearing from parents? i'm sure that's not all enjoyable on that end. >> parents are rightfully angry and they should be, particularly those who had students who were cheated and where most teachers felt that perhaps those children were in fact too dumb to learn and that is not the case. we will identify those children and we will make the requisite investments to remediate the wrongs done against them. >> before i let you go, why do you think this happened? why do you think this went on? >> i don't know why it went on. clearly there were culture of fear and intimidation and people
felt or a very few people felt that it was easier to cheat than to miss their goals and objectives. i just don't accept that that's the appropriate route and there are so many other teachers who have not made ethical compromises who are doing wonderful things on a daily basis. >> erroll davis, we appreciate you coming in. we know it's a tough time for the atlanta public school district. we certainly appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. it's a tough time but we will get through it. >> i'm sure you will. we'll check back and make sure that you do. thank you. how much have you put away into your retirement? a new study may have you rethinking everything, next.
the great recession was a punch in the gut to many of us, to our finances and future, but a new study shows it was a necessary jolt to shock americans out of their financial habits. most americans agree the last few years provided a wake-up call. it's changing how we spend, save, invest and retire. this is the reality in america. you're looking at the population growth over time. baby boomers are aging. about 1,000 adults 55 and older were polled. the study paints a very different financial reality than what you know about saving and has many rethinking retirement, actually. age wave ceo who conducted this study joins me from new york. glad you're with us. this study talks about the new american family. you say the average american family isn't this traditional nuclear family, but really looks
more like a rubik's cube. can you explain that? >> sure. the family's no longer the "leave it to beaver" family or even the "simpson" family. it's become normal now to have three and four and even five, sometimes six generation families and like a rubik's cube, people are finding themselves more and more involved in support and friendship and connection with their brothers, their sisters, their moms, dads, in-laws. one of the more fascinating outcomes from this study was the realization that people over the age of 55, about half of them expect that they're going to have to step up and support a family member. as people have gotten through these tough times these last few years, and maybe they can't pay a house payment or put their child through college, they're turning to the bank of mom and dad. in fact, providing support from the elderly point of view to adult children was the number one expectation. >> as we talk about that, you mention that half of those polled expect they will have to bail out or at least help family
members, 68% in fact expect to help out their adult children, 60% anticipate they will have to support their grandchildren. how do you think this changes the way that we should prepare and be retiring? should we plan to save more? do we need to do that at this point? >> there's no question that if we're going to live longer and longer lives, and we are, living to 80 or 90 or even 100 will become commonplace in our future, so there's three or four shifts we saw from the sun america retirement reset study. first, people are realizing it might be sensible to work a bit longer. if you shrink retirement a little bit, it makes it easier to afford. second, people are really beginning to save more. in fact, the savings levels have hit a decade high as of these last few weeks. that reflects kind of a wise move and a course correction on behalf of the american population. people also frankly don't want 25 years of just kicking around on the sidelines. the boomers are saying 77% of
them say they want to work in retirement. they want to be engaged. they want to be connected. they want to volunteer. they want to have a more active and stimulating life than previous generations in that period of their lives. >> retirement sounds boring, really. retirement now seems like a time to go back to work, quite honestly. i want to ask you about one of the more serious challenges when you're talking about this so-called age wave. you actually compare it to hurricane katrina as a model. >> yeah. think of the danger that we imagined when we saw hurricane katrina rolling into the gulf of mexico. well, imagine we had a demographic wave coming at america for which we were unprepared. there is probably two or three dangers we ought to be thinking about way ahead of time so we don't find ourselves in a state of calamity. there's good news with the age wave. a chance to live longer, know your grandchildren and maybe reinvent yourself at 80. but the three dangers that i see, and i have been studying this now for 37 years, are number one, do we have the right
health technology in place to eliminate some of these horrible diseases of aging like alzheimer's and heart disease and stroke, or are we going to have pandemics of late life disease which will ruin people's lives, ruin their families and frankly bankrupt the economy. so i say vote for science to try to wipe out these diseases. >> right. >> second, people are going to have to be far more responsible for saving smarter and longer, starting earlier, or else there's going to be a lot of people in their later years who simply cannot afford to go the distance. third, i think the missing link, we saw it in our study, was who will i be. what will my purpose be in my later years. we'll have tens of millions of long lived people without anything really useful to do. i think it will be a great time for volunteerism and contribution in those kinds of ways. >> all right. we will leave it there. rupert murdoch is being summoned to answer questions about how his papers do business. police admit they have played a part in giving personal information to murdoch newspapers. ♪
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gripped the british media and could have repercussions right here in the united states. at the center is rupert murdoch. his son james and their media empire news corp. murdoch shut down one of his tabloids, "news of the world" for hacking into the voice mails of a murdered teenager and victims of the july 2005 terror attack in london, but there are more allegations being leveled against at least one of his other newspapers. murdoch and his son have both been told to appear before lawmakers at a hearing next week. now, britain's metropolitan police are investigating whether their officers are implicated. the department's deputy commissioner was asked about that at a hearing earlier today. >> have you ever received payments from anybody relating to -- >> no. >> information you have received? >> that's an amazing question. i have never, ever, ever received any payments of that sort. >> have any of your officers received payment that you know of? >> i think it's highly probable
a lot of the allegations that are surfacing have been investigated, we're very careful what we say. that has happened. we're an organization of 50,000 people. we have always said that some of those 50,000 people will be corrupt and accept payments. >> let's bring in our cnn senior international correspondent, dan rivers. he's in london for us. pretty shocking to hear the deputy commissioner there basically say that he knows he has dirty cops? >> reporter: yeah, breathtaking admission, isn't it, saying he knows they've got police officers who are corrupt. his line is look, there's 50,000 officers in london's police force, some of them therefore are bound to be corrupt and in light of the allegations that have been coming out, that looks like it's been confirmed. they have been selling phone numbers linked to the royal family, to tabloid journalists, selling their itineraries, all
kinds of stuff swirling around. breathtaking admission from that policeman. also, more developments here on the ground as well. rupert murdoch himself and his son james and their chief executive rebecca brooks have all been called to appear before a similar parliamentary committee a week today. if they turn up, it will be incredible because there will be a real grilling from politicians who are furious about what has been going on in those rupert murdoch owned newspapers and already, the support that rupert murdoch used to have in the higher echelons of government is crumbling. this evening here in london, the government has announced that it is now going to side with the opposition labor party to say this takeover that rupert murdoch wants to have complete of a broadcaster here should not go ahead. once when he had access to the highest people in the country who would fly over to see him in australia, now they're not answering his calls.
time right now, 35 minutes past the hour. let's check out some of the other news and headlines that you may have missed. as democrats and republicans battle over a deal to raise the nation's debt ceiling, president obama is issuing a dire warning. in an interview with cbs news today, obama says absent a deal, he cannot guarantee older americans will continue to receive their social security checks. >> can you tell the folks at home that no matter what
happens, the social security checks are going to go out on august the 3rd? there are about $20 billion of social security checks that have to go out the day after the government is supposedly going to go into default. >> well, this is not just a matter of social security checks. these are veterans' checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. there are about 70 million checks that go out. >> can you guarantee as president those checks will go out on august the 3rd? >> i cannot guarantee that those checks go out on august 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers. >> administration officials have warned that a failure to raise the current $14.3 trillion ceiling by august 2nd could trigger a partial default. top lawmakers from both sides of the aisle are scheduled to resume negotiations with president obama at the white house at 3:45 this afternoon. the rift between pakistan and the u.s. continues grow after pakistani security forces detained a doctor who may have
aided the cia's search for osama bin laden. britain's guardian newspaper says the cia recruited a pakistani doctor to run a vaccination program in the area where bin laden was living. the newspaper says the program was really an attempt to obtain dna samples from bin laden family members. it isn't clear whether any bin laden family dna was actually obtained. there's no comment from the cia. afghan president hamid karzai's half brother was shot dead in his home in kandahar today. ahmed wali karzai was a provincial council chief. the motive is still unknown but officials are saying he was killed by one of his own guards. the taliban are claiming responsibility for the shooting. the shooter was killed by other guards. a polygamist family made famous by the reality tv show "sister wives" plans to challenge the utah bigamy law that makes its lifestyle illegal. cody brown and his four wives have been featured on the tlc reality show with their 16 kids.
brown is only legally married to mary, but in utah, a person can be found guilty of bigamy by cohabitation, not just legal marriage contracts. the family says it practices polygamy as part of its religious beliefs and the lawsuit will challenge utah's right to prosecute people for their private relationships. marijuana has no medical use, at least according to the united states. what are we talking about? elizabeth cohen will tell us. what's this option? that's new.
the u.s. drug enforcement administration is reiterating its policy that marijuana is not medicine. they released a new ruling last week, 15 years after the first state passed a law legalizing medical marijuana. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen here to explain. why is the dea making this ruling now? >> i know. seems like this argument has been going on forever. in part it's because the pro-marijuana groups kind of forced their hand. they said we want you to declare basically what you think about medical marijuana and the reason
for that is that the pro-marijuana groups say now we can attack it. now we can file a lawsuit. now we can file petitions. they want to have it black and white, what the government's stand is. >> if you look at the numbers, according to my notes, 16 states allow medical marijuana. this helps with certain types of cancer, helps certainly manage pain. so what is the dea's reasoning behind this? >> the dea said it very simply. they said there's no accepted medical use for marijuana and there's a high potential for abuse. so it kind of depends on how you define accepted medical use. what does that mean exactly? do you have to have a vote of all doctors? how do you define that? they just said no accepted medical use. >> there are certainly states where this is legal. states that have legalized it. what does this mean for the use of medical marijuana in those areas? >> folks who are using medical marijuana legally in those states, they have their little card and all of that, it really doesn't mean anything for them. because the dea hasn't gone about prosecuting individuals. maybe big groups or big money
makers, but individuals, they kind of leave them alone. >> so this decision comes after all these years. i'm sure some of the proponents are probably fighting it. >> they are. they filed a lawsuit, they filed petitions, they say they are going to go after this. they really want to force the government's hand, even though individuals are not really being prosecuted. they have decided to make an issue out of it. >> you see anything changing? >> you know, not really. i have a really hard time seeing the federal government saying sure, go ahead and smoke pot, we think it's fine. i just can't picture it. >> something about that just doesn't fit. >> doesn't quite work. >> elizabeth, thank you. appreciate it. one minute he's one of the most powerful men in his country. the next, he is shot dead. a live report right after this. for dentists, the choice is clear. fact is, more dental professionals brush with an oral-b toothbrush than any other brush. trust the brush more dentists and hygienists use, oral-b.
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in afghanistan, the powerful and controversial half brother of president hamid karzai was assassinated today by a trusted guard. ahmed wali karzai was shot during a meeting at his home in southern kandahar, the birthplace of the taliban. cnn's jason carroll joins us from the afghan capital, kabul. jason, what are officials there saying about this shooting? >> reporter: they are saying that his security guard, a man who had worked for karzai for some eight years, is the man who is responsible for what happened. just to sort of review what happened, where it happened, it happened at the karzai family home in kandahar. basically, the way we're hearing it is this man, again trusted security guard, went to karzai, said he needed to speak to him. others were there at the home. they went into a separate room.
gunshots were heard. other security guards were there, then go in to see what's going on. they find out what's happening and they shoot the guard and kill him. so this is what we're hearing in terms of what happened, where it happened. the question is why it happened. what we're hearing right now is that the taliban is saying that not only did this man mohammed work for karzai, the taliban is saying that he also worked for them so that is something that i'm sure developments will sort of come out in the future about whether or not that is true or not, but this is what we're hearing in terms of confirmation about how this all went down today. >> jason, do we have any more information about who this guy is? why he might have had a beef with this half brother of karzai? any more on the suspect? >> reporter: well, just as we say, security guard for some eight years. also worked as a police commander in the kandahar area where karzai's family resides.
this is what we're hearing in terms of who this man is. it's very interesting, though, when you see something like this happen, you already have a number of people from the afghan government coming forward and saying how this is really damaging security in the area, simply because when you look at this man, i know you say he's controversial, controversial because so many people supported him, but on the flipside of that, there were also many, many allegations he was somehow involved in the drug trade, heroin, to be specific. these are charges that karzai denied and denied for many, many years. even at one point, saying he would take a lie detector test to prove his innocence. so this was a man who was well-connected, well-respected by many people, and i think there are some here who would say that he helped keep kandahar together, helped stabilize a region that was rocked by much violence. >> just very quickly, any sense of the reaction there in relation to the shooting?
>> reporter: well, i think among the afghan people, when you see what's happening in southern afghanistan, where we spent some time, what you have is you have this ongoing effort to try to engage the afghan people, the farmers, villagers, teachers, and in the effort to do that, you say that what they're trying to do is trying to say we can keep you safe. now, how do you say that when something like this has happened to a man who, by all accounts, had so much security around him and when the taliban allegedly wanted to take him out, they were able to do it. so this really puts security, especially in southern afghanistan, into question. randi? >> all right, jason carroll for us in kabul, thank you. a pair of bionic glasses that has the power to let the legally blind see? you don't want to miss this. up. it fits you so perfectly... it fits you. you wake up and you're revived and rejuvenated. it's just like wow! tempur-pedic the most highly recommended bed in america.
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time now for cnn political update. one of the republican presidential candidates now ready to leave his day job behind it seems. cnn white house correspondent brianna keeler joining me now. can you hear me? >> reporter: i cannot hear. >> she's having a little bit of trouble hearing us there. we will get to her, though, as soon as we can and get the very latest. we have a live picture, though, for you in the meantime. this is the medal of honor ceremony that is going to begin here in just a few minutes. president obama will bestow the nation's highest military honor on an army ranger. we will bring you that life as soon as it happens. s in meantime brianna can hear us now. we're glad you're with us. we were talking about one of the republican presidential candidates who seems ready to give up his day job. what are we talking about here?
>> reporter: that's right. it's nice to see and hear you ran randi, so good to do both. we're talking about ron paul. he announced today he's not running for re-election next year. he has served in the house of representatives for almost 24 years representing texas's 14th congressional district. he's currently in the middle of his third bid for the white house. he tweeted out this news today, randi, and a spokesman said he's going to step aside and concentrating instead on this bid for the presidency. of course, he's seen as a long shot, randi, though he has a pretty enthusiastic fan base. >> as long as i have you, michele bachmann getting another endorsement of sorts. who is this it from? >> reporter: i don't think if she's going to be too thrilled about this or really care much, but bill maher saying if he had to choose between the minnesota congresswoman and sarah palin, he would actually go with
michele bachmann. he had some pretty stern things to say. some kind of cutting remarks not surprising from bill maher. she's not just there and reads the prayers on her blackberry like sarah palin. at least she can read. she has a job. she was a lawyer. she's in congress. sarah palin has not yet announced if she's running for president. michele bachmann, of course, is in the race. i don't know if sarah palin is too worried about what bill maher said about her. >> something tells me she won't be. i want to ask you about tim geithner. a lot weighing in on the fast-approaching deadline on august 2nd. what does he say about this today? >> reporter: he says there needs to be a deal on raising the debt ceiling by the end of this week. what does that mean? he's talking about kind of a broad outline, a broad framework of agreement between the white house and congress. he said, though, that he is confident they'll be able to strike a deal by the end of -- by the deadline, the august 2
deadline to increase the debt ceiling. he was speaking to a group of business. another day of these discussions at the white house. 3:45 p.m. eastern. president obama is hosting the top eight democrats and republicans in congress. they're at an impass right now over tax increases. in these remarks tim geithner strayed off the prepared remarks to kind of deliver sort of tougher words for republicans saying they need to capitulate and do things difficult for them venlt surprising from the treasury secretary, randi. >> interesting days in washington. thank you so much. we should tell you your next update from the best political team on television is just one hour away. we want to take you back to these live pictures. in just a few minutes president obama will bestow the nation's highest military honor on an
army rangers who saved his comrades from an enemy grenade. we'll bring you that ceremony live as soon as it happening. the honoree is leroy arthur pete tri. he's only the second living recipient of the medal of honor from the iraq and afghan wars. it cost him his right hand. barbara starr joins me from the pentagon. tell us what happened that day. it was may 2008, but walk us through it. >> well, you know, randi, this was in eastern afghanistan when sergeant petrrie's unit went into a compound to conduct a rare daylight raids. usually things in high threat areas where they encounter opposition happen at night. they went in at the daytime and entered a compound area and came under heavy fire. the only place it to take cover was in a chicken coop. so the sergeant and a couple of
his army buddies went in there under fire. he gets wounded, others are wounded. still, the fire keeps coming. the insurgents tossed a grenade into the area. the sergeant already wounded picks up the grenade to save his buddies and tosses it back. it exploded in his hand causing catastrophic amputation of his right hand. people who were there say that they feel they owed their lives to him. this is why the medal of honor is awarded for what the military calls conspicuous gallantry in action above and beyond the call of duty. that's what the sergeant did that day. just about 15 minutes from now as we look at the clock he will step into the white house ceremony with the president of the united states and really step into a page of history. randi. >> how will this ceremony go? what will happen here? >> well, typically what happens
is the sergeant would stand there, president obama will make remarks talking about him, his family, his wife, his four children perhaps, and what happened that day. then the official citation will be read. you know, when you say what typically happened, that's really it. there's only been two of these for living troops who have survived their battles to be awarded the medal of honor from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. there have been a number of others, but it's parents and widows who stood up there because in so many cases the soldier, the marine dies in action because of what has taken place because this really is the highest award under very severe combat circumstances. so it is only this young man, about 32 years old, and a few months ago you remember remember sergeant saul guinta stood next to the president of the united states in the very same room
awarded the medal of honor for his actions in afghanistan. the reason they call this history is it's only happened twice before, both of these young men being able to live to tell about what happened to them. randi. >> we'll certainly be looking forward to the ceremony. barbara, thank you very much. we should mention we'll bring it to you live in a few minutes. before we move on, i want you to see the medal he'll receive. the current design of army medal of honor dates back to 1904. there's also a navy medal of honor. that's the oldest one actually and an air force medal of honor. the face of the army medal is minerva. the oak clusters symbolize strength and the wreath represents victory. today's snoceremony is due to st at 2:15 eastern time.
we'll bring it to you live right here in the "cnn newsroom." later this afternoon president obama sits down again with leaders of congress in search of a deficit-cutting deal that would clear the way for a hike in the u.s. debt ceiling. you heard that the u.s. risks its first ever default if the ceiling isn't raised by august 2nd, and you may have wondered, what does that mean? wonder no longer. our sound effect is the bluntest warning yet of the consequences of failing to agree on spending cuts and tax reforms, and it comes from the president himself in an interview with cbs. >> can you tell the folks at home that no matter what happens, the social security checks are going to go out on august 3rd? there are about $20 billion that center to go out the day after? >> this is not just a matter of social security checks. these are veterans checks, folks on disability and their checks. they're about 70 million checks that go out. >> can you guarantee as
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karzai was assassinated today at his home in the southern city of kandahar. officials say ahmed karzai was killed by a trusted guard. the suspect cwas killed by othe guards. the taliban says the shooter was working for him. ahmed was accused of being involved in the drug trade and other activities. president karzai said only, quote, this is the life of the afghan people. this sorrow is in every afghan home. the latest on the hacking scandal approximate in britain involving newspapers owned by rupert murdoch, that cnn in depth story. he shut down a tabloid for hacking into the voice mail of a murdered teen and victims of the 2005 terror attack in london. it there are new allegations now leveled against at least one other newspaper, and murdoch and his son have been told to appear before lawmakers at a hearing next week. former prime minister gordon
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he's only the second living recipient of the medal of honor from the iraq and afghan wars. the president will give him that honor today in a couple of minutes. we'll have it for you as soon as it does. an arizona lawmaker is under fire today after pointing a gun at a reporter. that reporter, arizona republic's richard rellis says lori kline pulled out a ruger from her purse and pointed it at his chest. yes, it was raspberry pink they say. some reports say the gun was loaded at the time. she denies that. it it happened last month inside the arizona capitol building during an interview on a story about the state's history with guns. >> she showed us the gun, and i looked down and saw a red dot on my chest. it was there for a few seconds, and it was gone. part of me did think she must know what she's doing. she wouldn't be doing this if it was a reckless thing to do.
>> kline, a fierce gun rights advocate, denies pointing the gun directly at him. instead she says he walks in front of it. in a public statement kline says the photographer asked me to show him the laser sight and i did so turning it on and shining it it on the wall in front of me. the reporter placed himself in the line of the laser sight. the reporter says that's not how it happened. he said he stayed in the same spot for the entire interview and says he has the audio recording of the interview where kline admits pointing the gun at him and even laughing the gun had no safety on it. listen to this. >> it's like a water pistol. i'm like yeah, wait until you see the laser pointer. >> it it has a laser on it? >> yeah, i showed it to you. >> i don't sigh the laser. >> i point it at him. >> she pointed it at me. >> no there is no safety on it it.
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an army ranger that lost his right hand tossing an enemy grenade away from his fellow soldiers will get that honor today from president obama. we will bring it to you live here in a minute or so when it gets under way there at the white house. in the meantime, it's about quarter past the hour. time to check the top stories. treasury secretary tim geithner says the a debt ceiling deal needs to be done before the august 2nd deadline. he says a deal needs to be hammered out by the end of the week or next week at the latest. he says that will give congress enough time to pass it into law. he says he's confident a deal will get done before the deadline. current and past first ladies are preparing to remember betty ford during a memorial service in palm desert, california. the memorial is set to begin three hours from now. first lady michelle obama, secretary of state hillary clinton and former president george w. bush are among those expected to attend. a federal magistrate will decide if a former tv reality
producer will be sent to mexico to stand trial for the murder of his wife. get this. the former producer wants the magistrate to hear from his 6-year-old daughter before he makes his decision. he was a producer for "survivor" and other reality shows. u.s. prosecutors argue the hearing should be not be a mini trial and it's inappropriate for the child to be called as a witness. a close call at last night's home run derby in arizona. a fan chasing a home run ball hit by milwaukee's prince fielder when he nearly fell headfirst over the railing. luckily the man was saved from a 20-foot plunge by his brother and friend who grabbed him around the legs and arms and pulled him back. the close call came on the same day as the memorial service for a fan that died trying to catch a ball at a texas rangers game. have you been outside lately? sizzling temperatures continue
today. 23 states and the district of columbia were placed under heat advisories. excessive heat warnings are in place from western oklahoma to connecticut and from the deep south to the ohio valley. first we continue with the story in a moment. first we want to get you back to the white house where that medal of honor ceremony is taking place. let's listen in. it. ladies and gentlemen, the vice president of the united states. ♪
>> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states accompanied by medal of honor e recipient sergeant first class leroy petry. ♪ >> let us pray. almighty and ever living god, you have given us this goodland and its founds truth for our american heritage. we ask your presence as we gather to recognize a man who has gone above and beyond the call of duty. sergeant first class leroy petry
saved the lives of his men and fellow rangers on a trying day in afghanistan. by your grace we know he continues to live today according to those same values. honoring such heroes you have lowered the cap industry of this great nation so you can enable americans to live lives of valor and sacrifice every day to continue weaving the tapestry of america. we celebrate with sergeant first class petrpetry's wife, mother, grandchildren and his grandfather leo celebrates with us today in a special way. we're grateful for all the people and events you used to mold this man that stands before us this day. we're grateful for the rangers, our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and coast guardsman given their lives in this conflict. give your grace and strength to their family and friends as they live with the loss of loved ones
and comrades. may your presence be with us at this hour. make the guiding grace be in this national leadership. grant our military the strength and the wisdom that comes only from you. you be honored in every endeavor in which you call america and her citizens. finally your favor be upon sergeant first class petry and his family. president coolidge once wrote the nation forgets the defenders himself be forgotten. we hold him and those like him who have given so much in our common defense unforgotten. this comes before you and we pray in your holy name, amen. >> amen. >> thank you, chaplin rutherford. please be seated. good afternoon, everyone.
welcome to the white house as we present our nation's highest military decoration, the medal of honor, to an extraordinary american soldier. sergeant first class leroy petry. this is a historic occasion. last fall i was privileged to present the medal of honor to staff sergeant salvatore giunta for his heroism in afghanistan. sal joins us. good to see you. today is only the second time during the wars in afghanistan and iraq, indeed only the second time since vietnam that a recipient of the medal of honor from an ongoing conflict has been able to accept this medal in person. having just spent some time with leroy, his lovely wife, ashley, their wonderful children in the oval office, then having a
chance to see the entire petry family here, i have to say this could not be happening to a nicer guy or a more inspiring family. the medal of honor reflects the deepest gratitude of our entire nation. we're joined by members of congress, vice president biden, leaders from across my administration including deputy secretary of defense bill lynn and leaders from across our armed forces including the vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general jim hoss cartwright, army secretary john mcccue and marty dempsey. we're honored to welcome more than 100 of leroy's family and friends. many from his home state of new mexico, as well as his fellow rangers from the legendary delta
company, second battalion 75th ranger regiment. as always, we're humbled by the members of the medal of honor society. today we honor a singular act of gallantry. yet, as we near the tenth anniversary of the attacks that thrust our nations into war, this is an occasion to pay tribute to a soldier and a generation that has borne the burden of our security during a hard decade of sacrifice. i want to take you back to the circumstances that led to this day. it's may 26th, 2008. in the remote east of afghanistan near the mountainous border of pakistan. helicopters carrying dozens of elite army rangers race over the rugged landscape. their target is an insurgent
compound. the mission is high risk. it's broad daylight. the insurgents are heavily armed, but it's considered a risk worth taking because intelligence indicates that a top al qaeda commander is in that compound. soon the helicopters touch down, and our rangers immediately come under fire. within minutes leroy, then a staff sergeant, and another soldier are pushing ahead into a courtyard surrounded by high mud walls. that's when the enemy opens up with their ak-47s. leroy is hit in both legs. he's bleeding badly, but he summons the strength to lead the other ranger to cover behind a chicken coop. he radios for support. he hurls a grenade at the enemy, giving cover to a third ranger who rushes to their aid.
an enemy grenade explodes nearby, wounding leroy's two comrades. then a second grenade lands. this time only a few feet away. every human impulse would tell someone to turn away. every soldier is trained to seek cover. that's what sergeant leroy petry could have done. instead, this wounded ranger, this 28-year-old man with his whole life ahead of him, this husband and father of four, did something extraordinary. he lunged forward toward the live grenade. he picked it up. he cocked his arm to throw it it back. what compels such courage? what leads a person to risk
everything so others might live? for answers we don't need to look far. the roots of leroy's valor are all around us. we see it in the sense of duty instilled by his family, who joins us today. his father, larry, his mother, lorella, and his four brothers. growing up, the walls of their home were hung with pictures of grandfathers and uncles approximate in uniform, leading a young leroy to believe, that's my calling, too. we see it in the compassion of a high school student who overcame his own struggles to mentor younger kids to give them a chance. we see it in the loyalty of an army ranger who lives by a creed, never shall i fail my comrades, or as leroy puts it, these are my brothers, family just like my wife and kids.
you protect the ones you love. that's what he did that threw it back just as it exploded. with that selfless act leroy saved his two ranger brothers, and they are with us today. this valor came with a riddled his body. said one of his teammates, i'd never seen someone hurt so bad. even his fellow rangers were amazed at what leroy did next. despite his grievous wounds, he remained calm. he actually put on his own tourniquet and he continued to lead, directing his team, giving orders, even telling the medics how to treat his wounds. when the fight was won, as he lay in a stretcher being loaded onto a helicopter, one of his teammates came up to shake the hand that leroy had left.
that was the first time i shook the hand of someone who i considered to be a true american hero, that ranger said. leroy petry he showed that true heroes still exist, and that they're closer than you think. that ranger's right. our heroes are all around us. they're the millions of americans in uniform who have served these past ten years, many, like leroy, deploying tour after tour, year after year. on the morning of 9/11, leroy was training to be a ranger, and as his instructor got the terrible news, they told leroy and his class, keep training. you might be going to war. within months leroy was in afghanistan for the first of seven deployments since 9/11. leroy speaks proudly of the progress our troops have made. afghan communities now free from the terror of the taliban and
afghan forces that are taking more responsibility for their security. he carries with him the memories of americans who have made the ultimate sacrifice to make this progress possible. earlier in the oval office leroy g gave me the extraordinary privilege of showing me the small plaque that is bolted to his prosthetic arm. on it are the names of the fallen rangers from the 75th regiment. they are quite literally part of him, just as they will always be part of america. one of those names is of the ranger who did not come back from the raid that day, specialist christopher gathercole. christopher's brother and sister and grandmother are here with us today. i would ask that they stand briefly so that we can show our
gratitude for their family's profound sacrifice. [ applause ] >> our heroes are all around us. they're the force behind the force. military spouses, like ashley who during leroy's many deployments, during missed birthdays and holidays has kept this family army strong. so we're grateful to you, ashley, and for all the military spouses who are here. [ applause ]
their military children like brittany and austin and reagan and 7-year-old landon who at the end of a long day is there to gently rub his dad's injured arm. so i want to make sure that we acknowledge these extraordinary children as well. [ applause ] our heroes are all around us. there are men and women in uniform through a decade of war have earned their place among the greatest of generations. during world war ii on d-day it was the rangers of d company who famously scaled the cliffs .
after 9/11 we learned again rangers lead the way. they were some of the first boots on the ground in afghanistan. they've been deployed continuously ever since. today we can see our progress in this war and our success against al qaeda, and we're beginning to bring our troops home from afghanistan this summer. understand, there will be more fighting and more sacrifices in the months and years to come, but i'm confident because of the service of men and women like leroy we will be able to say of this generation what president reagan once said of those rangers who took the cliffs on d-day. these are the heroes who helped end a war. i would ask all of our rangers, members of the 9/11 generation, to stand and accept the thanks of a grateful nation. [ applause ]
>> finally the service of leroy petry speaks to the very essence of america. that spirit that says no matter how hard the journey, no matter how steep the climb, we don't quit. we don't give up. leroy lost a hand, and those wounds in his legs sometimes make it hard for him to stand, but he pushes on and even joined his fellow rangers for a grueling 20-mile march. he could have focused only on his own recovery, but today he helps care for other wounded
warriors, inspiring them with his example. given his wounds he could have retired from the army with honor, but he chose to reenlist indefinitely, and this past year he returned to afghanistan, his eighth deployment, back with his ranger brothers on another mission to keep our country safe. this is the stuff of which heroes are made. this is the strength, the devotion that makes our troops the pride of every american. this is the reason that, like a soldier named leroy petry, america doesn't simply endure. we emerge from our trials stronger, more confident with our eyes fixed on the future. our heroes are all around us, and as we prepare for the reading of the citation, please join me in saluting one of those
heroes, leroy petry. [ applause ] >> the president of the united states of america authorizes by an act of congress march 3rd, 1863 has awarded in the name of congress the medal of honor to staff sergeant leroy a. petry, united states army. staff sergeant leroy a. petry distinguished himself by acts of gallantry at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty in action in afghanistan on may 26th, 2008. as a weapons squad leader with delta company 2nd battalion, 735th ranger regiment he moved
to clear the courtyard of a house that potentially contained high value combatants. while crossing the courtyard they were engaged and wounded. still under enemy fire and wounded in both legs, the saf star gent led the other ranger to cover and reported the situation and engaged the enemy with a hand grenade providing suppression as another ranger moved to his position. the enemy quickly responded by maneuvering closer and throwing grenad grenades. the first grenade explosion knocked his two fellow rangers to the ground and wounded both with shrapnel. a second grenade landed a few feet away from them. instantly realizing the danger, saf sergeant petry unhesitatingly deliberately and selflessly moved forward, picked up the grenade and in the effort to clear the immediate threat threw the grenade away from the
fellow rangers. as he was releasing the grenade it detonatedetonated, amputatin right hand at the wrist and further injuring him with shrapnel wounds. although picking up and throwing the live grenade wounded saf sergeant petry his galt lant act saved his fellow rangers. despite the severity of his wounds, saf sergeant petry continued to maintain the presence of mind to place a tourniquet on his right wrist before communicating the situation by radio in order to coordinate support for himself and his fellow wounded rangers. saf sergeant petry's extraordinary heroism and devotion of duty reflect great credit upon himself, 75th ranger regiment and the united states army.
>> let us pray. lord, be upon us this day, we all live the values and celebrate the commitment to our nation, sergeant first class petry has modelled. give us strength this day and keep us always in your care, this we pray frin your holy nam amen. >> thank you all for attending this extraordinary ceremony for this extraordinary hero. i hope that all of you will join the family. there is going to be an outstanding reception. i hear the food is pretty good around here. i know the music is great, because we've got my own marine band playing. thank you so much for your attendance, and once again, congratulations, leroy, for your extraordinary devotion to our country. thank you very much. [ applause ]
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joining me on the phone is william shaw cross, author of "murdoch the making of a media empire." do you think rupert murdoch might have known what was going on with his newspaper? >> i'm sure he didn't know of these awful incidents of hacking into the murdered teenager's cell phone or into the cell phones of the relatives of servicemen killed in iraq or afghanistan. murdoch is a very astute person, and he would know that would be absolutely unforgivable. it is those sorts of items of information and of abuse of power, journalistic powers that have turned so many millions in the country against what the news of the world did. when they were just hacking
politicians and celebrities that was thought to be fair game and people shrugged. this is thought to be beyond the pale, and murdoch would have understood that. >> how involved is he in the day-to-day operation. should he have known what was going on? >> he's got as you said in your introduction a huge empire, and he spends more time in the united states now in los angeles and in new york than he does in britain. in new york he's been concentrating for the last few years on building up the "wall street journal," which he took over in 2007 which he has built up successfully. it has a conservative editorial bent, but it's by common consent a very good newspaper. he may not have spent enough time looking at what happens going on in britain as he should have done, and he left it to his left tenets there. something went terribly, terribly wrong it's quite clear. >> how did he get the nickname the dirty digger?
where does that come from. >> a digger is an australia cat used in the first world war in flanders and so on. the dirty digger was in the late 1960s when he first came to britain and started to publish and it's not closed with great regret. he loved it. he bought another paper called "the sun" which he turned into a raunchy tabloid with bare-breasted girls on page 3. that, i think, was where the term derived from in at least one of the british papers that called him there. >> how many times -- i'm sorry. continue. >> no. carry on. >> i was curious how many times you've met him and what he's like in person. >> well, i met him because i wrote a biography published in the early '90s. i met him a lot doing that. i see him from time to time
thereafter, saw him some weeks ago in new york. he's an incredibly charming person, and that's one of the reasons he's done so well. it's very hard to dislike him when you meet him and talk to him. a lot of politics all over the world found him seductive that way. he's not brash. he's very, very kind to people whatever their status, and that's -- and one secret of his success. in britain he's done an enormous amount for the british media. i don't think one should forget this. that was in the news of the world and more recently. he took on the print unions in the 1980s and defeated them. before he did that, british newspapers were completely unprofitable and on the verge of going wholesale bankrupt. he created a profitable newspaper industry. at the same time he took on the called -- it has 10 million
subscribers and they would not have that service if not for murdo murdoch. he's done a great deal, but he's very unpopular because he's a conservative. he's unpopular on the left in england and the main paper that led this campaign against him and a very good investigation into the phone tapping scandal was the guardian, which is the left of center paper. aided and abetted the affair with the bbc, which is a rather left wing organization, which doesn't like the competition. >> william shawcross, we appreciate your insight. you painted an interesting picture of mr. murdoch, and we appreciate your time. thank you. >> my pleasure. anger over out of control kids. now one restaurant owner is banning children, but is he going too far? our stream team weighs in next.
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as stopping may increase your stroke risk. other side effects include indigestion, stomach pain, upset, or burning. if you have afib not caused by a heart valve problem, ask your doctor if pradaxa can reduce your risk of a stroke. a pennsylvania restaurant is making rules for children. basically they tell families to take their business elsewhere if they want to take their kids out to eat. let the owner tell you why. >> we've had the place here for 22 years, and the restaurant nine. in nine years there are certain parents who can't leave their children at home. their child is the center of their universe, but they don't realize it's not the center of the universe. >> well, the ban is for kids under the age of 6. i guess they believe that's the age where kids learn to behave
and hold their tongues apparently. it's an unusual move for a business to say no to kids unless, of course, it's an adult business. we don't want kids, of course, in strip clubs after all, but this is a run of the mill family restaurant where "family" is used loosely. should businesses be able to ban children? that's the question. on the team chief business correspondent correspondentursrrespondent ali. welcome, everybody. jennifer, i want to start with you. good idea for that restaurant, banning these loud children? >> i don't have a problem with it. i think kids can be in many places, and as long as this isn't discriminatory, it's not certain kids can come and all kids can't, all kids 6 and under. that's okay. >> ali, what do you think?
is this a good move in this economy? >> companies do what they want. it may get them more business. probably won't. malaysian airlines said kids can't be in first class. i don't like screaming kids, but kids scream. it's what they do. i'm not sure what this says about society, that there are these moves to say kids can't govern themselves and keep their volume low. honestly, these are kids. i find it a little absurd. >> here we have ali mentioned that malaysian airlines is banning kids from first class. so do you think that's a good idea? maybe a better use of the ban than something like this? >> you know, i tend to agree with jennifer. i think it's a good idea. as long as the business doesn't fall to pieces because its made this decision, i don't see this as an attack on kids or someone hating kids. i think there's a time and place for everything. if the business wants a quieter environment, its his prerogative. >> jennifer, what's the magic
number here. does something happen when they get beyond 6 years old? >> definitely not. i think there are plenty of kids above the age of 6 years old out of control. i don't know it that that's exactly the issue. the issue is is it wrong for this restaurant owner to decide kids shouldn't be allowed 6 and under. i don't think it's wrong. it's his choice. it's a private business. sometimes it's nice to be in an adult only environment that is not a strip club. >> we accept that there's some places we don't want kids to be, and there are lots of places like that. i guess what struck me is the tone. this guy has figured out he had it with kids and some parents. he doesn't like the fact the kids are the center of the universe. seemed a little mean spirited. we have to chill out and say we're not all the center of the universe either. we share it it with a lot of other people. some of those people are little people with big lungs and big complaints, and that's absolutely okay. it's the music to my ears, music
of life. >> lz, i want to ask you. some of the patrons said why are you targeting 6-year-olds, there's plenty of loud adults japing on cell phones. should those people be banned, too? >> i don't think he wants to ban everyone that makes noise but you can't go to an adult and say no cell phone usage and then you can expect an adult to respond to that. you can't expect the 1-year-old to do that. >> i don't know if that adult is ali velshi. >> were they ever kids? did you show up grown up? i was a big crying pain in the you know what kwh i was a kid, and i'm sticking up for kids like me. >> would it prevent you from giving this restaurant your business if they didn't want kids under 6 there yes or no. >> no. >> no. >> lz? >> no. no. >> all right. well, i guess you guys won't be
dining at that restaurant, but we'll see how it all goes. if it spreads any more than that. thank you for weighing in. appreciate it. have a great afternoon. >> see you, randi. that will do it for me. right after this break "cnn newsroom" will continue with brooke baldwin. it has microparticles, enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief to the site of pain. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin.