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i give president obama credit for what happened with the killing of bin laden. i say this administration has shown itself incapable of keeping sensitive information secret over the next 90 days. how can we trust them now? >> we'll circle back. i hope you get your answers and check in with us when you do. chairman of homeland security committee, congressman peter king. thanks for your time tonight, sir. we'll see you tomorrow. "ac 360" starts right now. >> john, thanks very much. good evening, everyone. we're live tonight. i wish you could see what i saw today. we'll show you some of it later on in the program. starving parents in a hospital room whose child had just died and they didn't have the money to bury their child just sitting there in silence not knowing what to do. these parents have sought shelter in refugee camps and sought treatment for their child in a hospital. children who are dying of preventible diseases and neglect
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being buried near their camps. it happened today and happens every day here. it shouldn't happen any day but it does. according to the u.s., 600,000 children are on the brink of starvation. think about that. 600,000. the world food program now has less than three weeks of food aid left. less than three weeks. tonight we'll talk to singer bono about that and rapper. a problem the developing world would be lucky to have but jeopardizing the global economy. asian markets right now reacting after another massive drop on wall street.
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another 500 plus point drop for the dow. the market plunging and then climbing midday and losing all steam all afternoon. investors today worried about french banks becoming insolvent. they are worried about american banks too and their exposure to europe's troubles. bank of america and citigroup each down 10% today. some of the calls were some kind of action in washington and for president obama to do something. the question is what? anything can he do. what can federal reserve do? what can congress do? joining me now is ali velshi, senior political analyst, david gergen and chief white house correspondent jessica yellin. this was all about france? >> it's an interesting question you ask, anderson. the thing that triggers these selloffs these days is not the real reason behind it but it's such a nervous market that rumor and unsubstantiated rumor caused the sell-off. the banks make us think about
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2008 and times gone by when banks get into trouble and we get a lending freeze. we don't have that situation right now. what we have is a very nervous market that had a big reaction to something that wasn't substantiated but right now people don't want be caught holding bag if there are major selloffs and are taking money out to be safe, they are encouraging these selloffs. i should tell you that gold is another record high touching $1,800 an ounce and the ten-year note which is how our bonds, our mortgages are priced is down again. it cost the u.s. less money to borrow than it did on monday and less than it did on friday before the downgrade. >> david gergen, as you look at this from a political perspective, what do you see? >> well, anderson, i do think that it's not just the rumor in europe. there's a deeper feeling there that the germans who are paying for bailouts don't have the money nor the will to go the full route and there's a real sense that eventually this
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european thing is going to come apart. you find that here. also, anderson, very importantly here and jessica can speak to this, there's a growing sense that there's no one in charge. normally in a crisis there's someone who steps forward, usually the president, who steps forward and you have a sense that someone has their hands on the wheel and knows where we're going and can help guide the ship. there's a sense right now in our politics that no one is in charge. not the president. not ben bernanke. there's no walter cronkite. there's no one here to give us that sense of reassurance. >> jessica, what about that? how does the white house see it? >> so, anderson, the white house will never comment on the daily gyrations in the stock market. what i am hearing from democrats close to the white house and officials here is this reaction to what david is talking about. this sort of clamor around town here calling on the president to take some bold action. this call by a lot of op-ed
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writers for the president to do something to prove that he's gnat weak and powerless at this point. the general pushback you get is this is what op-ed writers do in august. this is media hysteria? a sense of august doldrums really and that there's too much of a reactive vibe right now in washington and that the stock market isn't the only measure of the economy and the white house has a plan that they have been working on and are focused on and we'll see the president out in the heartland next week talking about jobs. he's meeting with the fed chairman. he's meeting with the treasury secretary. he's on his game. he has to do this hand in glove with congress. that is the message i'm getting and it's the song book they are singing from. >> david, is this just a question of summer doldrums and op-ed writers? >> no, not at all. the media is not driving this wild ride we're on in the stock market that's wiping out
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people's 401(k)s and hurting a lot of people. i think what americans are looking for now is some seriousness in washington and frankly that's not going to come from some bus tour on a campaign trail from the president. i think a growing number of people think he ought to get off the campaign trail, pull people together and see if he can't get some answer, a bipartisan answer on jobs. >> ali, what could the president be doing? how much can a president affect not just the stock market but the economy in general? >> this is serious. no question this is not normal gyrations in the stock market. the stock market is not the whole economy, same thing with gas prices. they're not the whole economy but when they are way up, it hits people in the pocketbook. in france the government has been called back from vacation. in london dealing with rioting in the street, the government has come back. it kind of is unacceptable that washington is not fully on this right now and that the president is out there giving speeches in the heartland as he plans to.
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this is a crisis. he had a meeting with ben bernanke today and all the white house did was release a statement to say he had a meeting with ben bernanke and they talked about jobs and the economy. everyone is talking about jobs and the economy. we need guidance, a solution and confidence. there's a lack of confidence in leadership as david says as reflected by the stock market. remember, the stock market is all of us. it's all of our 401(k)s and all of our i.r.a.s. there needs to be some leadership here. >> any chance they would try to get congress back early? they're in recess for five weeks? >> they are emphatic that's not the move they're going to make. it is a huge concern here and something that they continue to emphasize, anderson, which is you can't do it alone. even if you talk to top economists who want the president to take bold action, when you press them and say what can the president do on his own, ali said it, david said it, there's a limit. you need congress -- they control the purse strings. with congress out of town, the president is limited. he is not going out and making a
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call for some new sweeping, bolder action. washington right now is not in a mood for some sort of big compromise. you don't feel it in the air. there's not a vibe of deal making in town. and with congress gone, there isn't going to be a deal. bottom line is, no message from the white house they're calling them back and no bold moves on the who arie iezhorizon, anders. >> thanks. let us know if you think congress should be called back. we're on facebook or follow me on twitter. i'm just tweeting some tonight and i'll try to tweet more. bono joins us shortly to talk about what the world can do for the people here and rapper iman. we had a stunning day today. we'll show you what we saw. it's really going to open your eyes. we visit a feeding center where gunfire erupted. 19 years ago when i was here
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during the last famine at feeding centers, you hear shooting a lot. it's very difficult to know where it's coming from. dangerous and tragic times in somalia. more on that in just a moment. what are you following? >> a massive police presence on the streets of london tonight. the government clamping down after four days of rioting. latest on that and the chaos outside of the capital being blamed for the deaths of three young men trying to protect their neighborhood. that and much more when "360" continues. [ man ] they said i couldn't win a fight.
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>> we said at the top of the program the united nations telling us that 600,000 children are on the brink of starvation. 600,000. this should be a headline in every paper, every newscast, every day as long as this famine lasts. 600,000 children. along with that headline, others follow. the world food program running out of food. refugee camps filling up. graveyards are overflowing. medical basics like childhood vaccinati vaccinations, kids dying of
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measles and mumps. it's the fighting that turns a drought into a famine into mass starvation. a man-made catastrophe. we saw it today at a feeting center. our visit punctuated by gunfire. 19 years ago when i was here near the last famine -- shots going off now and people are running. you hear shooting a lot. it's difficult to know where exactly it's coming from. 19 years ago at a feeding center like this they would have used big vats of food to feed people. it wasn't a very effective way to get malnourished kids healthy again. today they use this product. it's called plumping out. it's revolutionized the way malnutrition is treated. it's very cheap. you don't need to refrigerate it. you don't need a lot of education to know how to give it out to your kids. rather than hospitalize kids
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they can hand out this peanut paste bringing kids back from the brink of death. remember, al shabab just pulled out and african union troops, 9,000 of them, patrol the streets here. there are snipers and suicide bombers to look out for. this is the capital of the world's best known failed state. it's true now and sadly it's been true back 19 years ago when i was visiting somalia for the last famine. in the background you can hear ak-47 shots firing right now. i'm at a feeding center run by an organization called c.a.r.e. you would specked pandemonium here. shooting in the distance. people waiting for food. there's really not. in a way starvation seems to suck the life out of you. you just sit and wait. there's nothing more you can do. >> besides the fact that i look
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radically older, it's amazing how much is exactly the same here. that was 19 years ago. today it's still in the hands of al shabab. the dangers here remain. there's hope from seeing lives saved when efforts full short. you experience emotions one after another. sometimes all at once. this is what we saw today at one of the biggest hospitals here that treats kids. there are so many kids in the hospital that new arrivals are beating treated in the halls. there are coughs and cries and you don't hear much of that. that takes energy. many families have walked for weeks just to get here. this little boy can barely take anymore steps. there's no running water, no electricity, after 0 years of
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fighting there's not much left at all. a country which is the epicenter of a famine, there is a catastrophe. could you expect people getting fortified milk. you don't see anything. it's mothers sitting with their kids and many kids end up dying. mothers try to keep the flies at bay. fathers soothe their sickly kids. the worry, the fear is the same the world over. what parent can stand it when their child is in pain. many kids are able to bounce back with quick intervention they gain weight day after day. for others, however, the malnutrition is too far along. we were introduced to a man who lost a daughter and now his 18-month-old son is sick well. you must be worried about your child. how long has your child been sick?
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for the last six months he's been ill, he says. the famine tightened around us and no one has helped us so we came here and now we're just hopeful. in the corner of the room, the man and his wife sit in silence. between them we notice a small pile of cloth. it urns turns out it is covering the body of his son. he had was just 1 year old. >> it was so difficult to get out and took them so long to get out by the time they arrived, there was nothing nobody could do for them. he died two hours ago. >> this child has just died? >> yes. >> what will they do now? >> they don't have enough money to bury him. they are sitting and hoping that someone will come. nobody has any money but they hope together people try to put money in together when things like this happen and they can raise the funds otherwise they have for means of burying him. >> they have already lost their
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two other children. ali was the only child they had left. what will they do now? >> they said they don't know. for them the most important thing is to try to find a way to bury the child and then they'll try to figure out what to do then. they have nothing here. the only reason they took the risk was to save the baby and now the baby is dead. >> you have seen a lot of this over the last few weeks. >> yeah. it's always difficult. somalia is difficult. people have been dying here for a while from the violence and insecurity. the famine is -- the numbers here are extraordinary. the u.n. is estimating that nearly 1 million will die if the aid pipeline isn't strengthened and if more funding doesn't come in to sustain the aid effort here. >> the aid effort is under way but for too many kids it may already be too late. they are not numbers. not statistics.
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they are boys and girls, names and with parents, boys and girls who have never had a fair chance at life. with me again tonight, dr. sanjay gupta and we should point out that we did help that family to bury their child. we thought it was the human thing to do. but there are so many others. you want to help everybody and yet there's not at times anything you can do. >> we talk about the shortfall in the funding that the u.n. is receiving and you go into the hospital and you see what that funding means to people here. we were talking to the u.n. humanitarian coordinator a few days ago and he said reality is that people are going to die. that's what's going to happen here now. the issue becomes how many more people are going to die before that funding comes in and
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donations step up. >> in this hospital and, sanjay, i wish you were with us today. this is a major hospital in a city which has been at war for 20 years and conflict it is at the epicenter of this and they have few supplies. doctors couldn't test people for their blood type because they don't have the equipment. it's stunning. what are you seeing there, sanjay? >> it's pretty similar although in certain places it's getting a little bit better, anderson. it's tough to sort of draw generalizations of this large refugee camp. you've been here. it's very big. there are different places that operate better than others. i will tell you that there are certain things that come into play with limited resources in a disaster situation like this. first of all, just basic triage. something that we have seen in hospitals all over the world trying to figure out who is the
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most trcritical and who is most likely to be saved and treating those patients first. also keep in mind that sometimes when someone has come in very malnourish and dehydrated, giving fluids slowly and giving food slowly can actually be better. it can make it more likely the person will survive and also make your supplies last. i think as both of you have seen today, the key is to not let people get into dire straits and get food and water to people before they become this ill. >> it's also amazing when you talk to people, it's not just one child who is there. you say do you have other children and they'll say i have three other children but it turns out two of them have already died or one of them have already died. it seems like so many people here have lost children. >> they put so much hope on that remaining child and risk so
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much. people we were speaking to say you judge which child is sicker and which child are you most likely to save? >> you have to choose at times between what child you think you can save? >> especially when you take the risk of that journey. some people don't have a money to get driven up so they walk and they are carrying the children and sometimes some of those children have to be left behind to save the one that's the most saveable. >> so much of this that you are seeing, sanjay, in southern somalia where they stopped allowing allow ing inoculations, what kind of impact do you think you are seeing from the fact that they are not allowing children to be inoculated for basic things like measles? >> it's intolerable what we're seeing because as you know that cluster-like conditions, the overcrowding of these camps, if someone were to get one of these
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diseases that can be inoculated against, measles for example or viral illnesses. measles can spread like wildfire through a camp. 90% infectious contagious rate among people who are not vaccinated. you take a preventible problem which is additive to everything else you guys have been talking about and now you made it that much worse. getting vaccinations in here would be a huge boom toward reducing these preventible deaths. >> are they now finally getting aid directly in? >> that's part of the problem. it costs so much money to air lift aid in which is the quickest solution and that money just isn't there yet at the moment. in that feeding center we went into the administrator said last month they saw 18,000 and now they are expecting to see
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25,000. it's now competition for what little resources there are and i just hope people are getting a sense of the desperation and the need. aid just needs to get here as soon as it can. >> it's been extraordinary day. thank you for all your help and all your reporting over the last several weeks. sanj sanjay, we'll talk to you get later in the hour. many of you have reached out asking how you can help the victims of the famine here, the kids here. you can find information online at still ahead tonight, our big "360" interview, bono joins us with his two-step plan to try to help and end the famine in africa and save a generation. >> this will define who we are. this is a defining moment for us. this is outrageous. this is just -- it can't be happening. it must be stopped. >> also k'naan joins us now.
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in great britain tonight, prime minister david cameron is giving police new orders to stop what he calls despicable violence. >> whatever resources the police need, they will get. whatever tactics the police feel they need to employ, they will have legal backing to do so.
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we will do whatever is necessary to restore law and order onto our streets. >> so far it seems to be working. there's an eerie calm after four days of violence and looting. riots erupted in london on saturday after a vigil for black man shot to death in an incident involving police. the violence quickly spread across the country. at least four people have been killed. more than 1,000 jailed so far. among those killed, a 21 year old of birmingham, one of three men struck by a car early this morning while trying to protect their neighborhood. his father was near the scene and ran over to help not knowing it was his son who was one of the victims. imagine that. his reaction to that discovery is heartbreaking. >> someone from behind told me that my son was lying behind me. i started cpr on my own son. my face was covered in blood. my hands were covered in blood. why? >> in manchester, look at this video we found on youtube shot last night. officers chasing down a group of rioters. kids on bikes by the looks of
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it. when they actually catch them, one officer appears to kick one of them in the head and beat him five times with a baton. confronted with the footage today, manchester police acknowledge the beating saying "police officers responding to incidents last night in salford were faced with extraordinary and unprecedented levels of violence used against them as circumstances surrounding the footage of this particular incident are currently unknown it is inappropriate for gmp, greater manchester police, to comment further." dan rivers is in birmingham, england, tonight and joins us now with the latest. what's happening tonight, dan? >> reporter: anderson, the scene here is one of calm. the scene here is one of calm thankfully after four days of the most terrible looting and violence. you can see behind me the police are out in force across the city tonight. they are checking any vehicles that go anywhere near the town
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center and anyone that's looking like they could pose any kind of a challenge or problem, they are taking them out and searching them and if they feel necessary, they are arresting them. there have been quite a lot of heightened tensions in one pro dominant predominantly area where those men were mowed down by the car but the lid has been kept on those interracial intentions and so far things seem to be calm. the police operation seems to be working. >> i also saw a video of people trying to clean up after the rioters. what kind of an impact has this had in england? is there an overwhelming public perception about this? what are people saying? >> reporter: there's a massive public backlash against this looting and against this
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violence that's been born out in radio shows and newspapers and on twitter and facebook. i think to start with people were just stunned that police seemed to have completely lost control of the situation and that the situation spread so virally through london and here in birmingham. then yesterday the police really regained control. they were more robust in how they were dealing with looters, cracking down hard and zero tolerance for any kind of trouble making and i think there's a huge collective sigh of relief. the communities across great britain have come out themselves to protect businesses and to stop shops being smashed. we've seen that this evening here in birmingham in the asian community hundreds of young men protecting their businesses and they're saying they have absolutely no trouble with the
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looters. >> we are joined now with the "360 bulletin. reports of violence across syria. this video shows the aftermath where security forces allegedly attack a mosque. syria's ambassador to the u.n. compared it to london. >> in the united kingdom, you have a situation where the government is taking measured proportionate legal transparent steps to ensure the rule of law for its citizens. in syria you have a situation where thousands of unarmed civilians are being attacked and many of them killed. that comparison made by the syrian ambassador is ludicrous. thank you. >> the u.s. military says an air strike has killed a taliban fighters responsible for last
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week's deadly helicopter crash in afghanistan. 30 u.s. troops and eight afghans died when the chopper was shot down. 17 were navy s.e.a.l.s and not 22 as first reported. an interstate manhunt for three florida siblings ended. suspects all in their 20s shot at police before crashing. wanted for crimes in two states they've been on the run since last week. their pictures blasted on digital billboards and watch this. incredible video. a 200-foot chunk of ice breaks off a glacier in alaska. the tourist on that boat got quite a show but it came with danger. ice was throwing through the air and big waves rocked the boat. a woman reportedly broke her leg. anderson, really scary stuff.
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>> incredible. thanks very much. let's check in with piers morgan to see what's coming up on "piers morgan tonight." >> breaking news tonight. the asian markets are reacting to today's 520-point dow plunge. we'll bring you the latest on that and i'll ask some of the smartest people on wall street what it would take to turn this around and is washington getting it right on the economy or are we facing a leadership deficit and my interview with an american guy who has a lot to say. trace atkins, "celebrity apprentice" runner up and now back anderson cooper. >> piers, thanks very much. still ahead tonight, the children behind the staggering number. 30,000 somalia kids died in the last few months. each one had a family. dr. sanjay gupta reports where the tiny graves are multiplying
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>> this is what they call an idp camp. they are not refugees. refugees are people that leave somalia to go to another country to seek help. these are somalis who haven't left the country but left home villages in search of food and safety. many have vest areas controlled by al shabab. there are probably about 100 or so huts in this camp. they've been given plastic tarps that they can use for the outer layer of the hut to protect from
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the elements. the sun and just the occasional rain. conditions here are pretty bad. more than 100,000 internal aa l displaced people have come in the recent weeks and months and many more are expected. many come with children who are sick and malnourished but they don't take them to a hospital until it's too late. as we keep mentioning, the united nations says that 600,000 somali kids are on the brink of starvation. it's a number we can't repeat enough. 600,000 kids at risk of dying. it's the reason we're here. parents are watching their kids die every single day. every few hours. these deaths could have been preventible. supermodel imam said last night an entire generation of somalis could be lost in her home country. she was born in the hospital we were broadcasting about today where the needs are so great. dr. sanjay gupta is in kenya tonight along the somali border
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in the world's largest refugee n camp. >> the kids here will melt your heart. how old am i? 41. they impressed me with their english. i spoke a little somali to them and they loved it. is that good? rare smiles in a place too full of heartbreak. this woman and her daughter came here in search of a better life fighting so hard not to starve to death. but in the end, it made little difference. she lost the one thing in the world she cared about more than anything else. we are talking to her daughter's grave. they are really just piles of dirt with no name plate, no flowers, just reminders of their life just small sticks with trash blowing in the wind. they says she brought her healthy baby girl here with
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dreams of new beginnings. but addison died within a month. what went wrong? she started vomiting she said and then diarrhea and it wouldn't stop to days and days. diarrh diarrheal illness is the reason the kids have died here in the past three months. so many tiny graves like this one. part of the problem is even after you get to one of these camps, there's still not enough food here. not enough water. and there's plenty of infectious diseases. viral illnesses and i want to show you something else that's very frightening in a camp like this. this is osmond. he's 14 years old. as you can tell he really doesn't feel well. people are concerned here that he has measles. he had a high fever and rash. he never got vaccinated. he never got any sort of
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treatment. measles as you know is very, very contagious. he has nowhere else to go. and so hundreds of thousands more of these adorable children unvaccinated are at risk of the same fate. is there anything anybody can do? >> it is with god. >> it is with god. and so there's nothing else these kids can do but laugh and play surrounded by the dead. >> you have to remember so many kids haven't been vaccinated and haven't been inoculated in areas controlled by al shabab that stopped allowing aid groups to vaccinate where they are saying that it's a western plot to kill the somali kids. dr. sanjay gupta joins me now. sanjay, the international aid groups are working hard to try to stem disease outbreaks at the
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camp through vaccine programs and early warning systems. are they having an impact? >> you know, it's very hard to paint with one broad brush the entire impact. there are certain enclaves where there's more impact than others. the area that you just saw there in that piece, anderson, there was several kids who likely had measles at one time or another. they had the rash. it had gone away but they had fever and weren't feeling well but hadn't seen a doctor because they were too ill to go the health center and there weren't doctors going around seeing the patients so it's a logistical problem. with regard to vaccinations, it's more complicated than you might imagine. children under the age of 5 are getting vaccines even at the time they check in or registration but children over 5 for various reasons, the aid organizations have told us this aren't always getting their vaccines. a lot of kids you saw playing, running around, unvaccinated,
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they are at more risk. if you have one child with measles, they can all become infected pretty quickly. >> david, you've been reporting on this for weeks for this story. have you personally -- have you been seeing it get worse and worse? have you seen the change? >> anderson, it's partly things staying the same and things changing. first time i came here was 2006. i came here to cover a flood. now it's a drought and it's actually a cycle of droughts. what i've seen is that people are coming into these outskirts of the camp and as sanjay reported there, they are not in a good situation. there's measles and other issues and just the elements here. we found ourselves coughing later in the day because there's wind that i will show you video, this wind that blast through the camp with dust and dirt. it's a wind that is absolutely terrible. it gets into people's lungs and
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you see adults and children coughing and lying in their tents often with sweat. they are getting help. they are getting out of somalia where they are fleeing conflict and often they get here and the situation is not much better. it's really tragic. >> it certainly is. david, appreciate the reporting tonight. sanjay, as well. programming you can see on a special edition of "sanjay gupta m.d." up next, my interview with u2 front man and humanitarian bono and his thoughts on the crisis and who is to blame. >> you can blame droughts on god but famines are man-made. we know exactly what to do and this shouldn't be happening. my doctor told me calcium
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for a month. this was preventible. this was predictable. it was predicted in fact. they've known about the drought for a long time. they've known about the danger of famine here. the war here. the conflict has certainly contributed to it but there's so much that needs to be done right now. for weeks now yu2 front man bon has been sounding the alarm. he said kids are going to die in the coming weeks but it's a question of how many kids are going to die and we can make a big impact on that. bono has teamed up with a somali born hip-hop artist named k'naan. i spoke with bono tonight. >> i was at a hospital today in mogadishu. there are kids dying. tens of thousands of children have died in the last few weeks, last few months, many more are
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likely to die unless more aid and more money gets in the pipeline. they need $2 billion. they have only had $1 billion sent so there's a big shortfall. in this hospital in mogadishu, a big children's ward, they hardly had any medicine. they hardly had the equipment and supplies they needed to treat these children. it's stunning when you see that up close, the results of what happens when there isn't the attention and there isn't the aid. >> it is shocking. it is disgusting. i have seen those faces myself up close. i've seen that loss of life. i saw sanjay's report earlier today from the hospital where he explained that the world food program will run out of food in three weeks. it's hard to believe that this is the 21st century and, you
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know, we must not let the situation prevent us from acting. we're pleased that you are there. you can make this a priority. you see in the security council people staying late at night as they should to discuss what's going on in libya and syria and the like because hundreds and thousands of lives are being lost there. here there's 12 million people over three countries. this is a huge strategic import for us in the whole horn of africa. we need to make this a priority. >> k'naan, i heard on twitter from a lot of folks their image of somalia was born in '91 and '92 and famine then and what happened with "operation restore hope" when the humanitarian effort ended up getting bogged down in a hunt for a somali warlord and u.s. troops were
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killed. there were people that feel like we tried to help somalia 20 years ago, why now if they're in the same situation why should people donate money? what do you say to people about this place and about the people here and about the need for aid here? >> i think that you're right because of the images of the past. because of the famines of old. because of the negative stories of piracy that's come out of somalia. i think people have created a psychological fence around their hearts where somalia is concerned. we have to find a way to get past that. and look at the humanity of what's happening and help people who are in need of our help at this moment. we are not usually the sort of people who take the victims seat. we are people who stand up for ourselves. it's very, very dire, dire situation.
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>> for me the thing, bono, that i keep thinking about is you hear half a million children are on the brink of strarvation. 600,000 on the brink of starvation. the numbers are so big they don't seem real. we think is a normal thing. i feel like that should be the headline in every newspaper and every newscast while this is going on. 600,000 people at risk of starvation, on the brink of starvation is a catastrophe. >> look, 30,000 of them have died in the last few months. it's true, you know, people seem to prefer watching people in the high streets of london fight policemen rather than watching children of somalia fighting for their lives. people watch the values, stock values crumble while i think about our own sense of values
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tumbling because this will define who we are. this is a defining moment for us and there's lots to distract us and there are serious issues. people's livelihoods and not to dismiss the hardships that are happening in the western world but this is outrageous. it can't be happening. it must be stopped. it's not our intentions, it's our actions. it's not the possibilities of the united nations or the au, it's our priorities that define us. this is a defining moment, anderson. >> bono, thank you so much for being with us and k'naan as well. i know you hope to go to the refugee camp. i hope you make it there. thanks for all your efforts. >> thank you. we wish you safety there and all of the crew. we really appreciate your work, anderson. thanks, once again. thank you, k'naan, for your
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leadership. we appreciate it. >> a full interview with bono d k'naan is ten minutes long. we couldn't play it all. go to there's more about addressing the humanitarian crisis right now but addressing long-term needs and how to make sure this thing doesn't happen in the future because there are programs, agriculture programs that are being backed in kenya and ooet op ethiopia and are wo. you don't see that in somalia. bono talks a lot about that. go to to check that out. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. experience the summer of audi event and get over 130 channels of siriusxm satellite radio
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