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u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon says casualties will be considerable. he didn't speculate on who is responsible. the nigerian capital has been the target of a series of bombings in recent months. >> and check out this video from lib libya. it shows rebels key molishing an iconic statue of this. it became a symbol of colonel gadhafi's resistance to foreign power. wolf blitzer will return tomorrow for a special edition of "the situation room" beginning at 5:00 p.m. eastern. "john king usa" starts now. >> good evening, i'm candy crowley. john king is off. take a look at the east coast and you will know a monster storm is out there.
tonight about 65 million people from north carolina to new england are in the path of hurricane irene. ten governors declared states of emerge system new york city officials ordered the first mandatory evacuations in city history, but along the jersey shore, drivers can testify trying to get out of harm's way is a slow nerve-racking process. the hurricane isn't waiting. right now, the storm, a category 2 with 100 mile-an-hour sustained winds is heading for the north carolina coast. our coverage starts with john in north carolina. we probably don't need to ask you to set the scene for us. what does it feel like there? >> reporter: we are getting the winds as you see right now gusting and picking up a little bit. the rain has been constant. periodically heavy and then it lightens up a little bit. the past couple of hours or so here on atlantic beach, a mandatory evacuation, obviously,
this is an island. the atlantic ocean is that way. that's actually south the way this beach faces. irene is coming straight up from the south. it's very likely a very good possibility that we could be the first place that sees the landfall here of the center of circulation of irene. at least very close to the center. to the north of me on the left side is bold sound. as the storm comes by, a good possibility we could see storm surge first from the atlantic. as it goes by, we get storm surge coming in this direction. you can see all the power lines crisscrossing us here as the wind once again begins to pick up. one of the great concerns, these power lines could be going down when that storm hits here with full force. certainly some of the light poles, street lights, the signs
and concern is going to be police do not want anyone on the streets after 8:00 tonight. mandatory curfew. people want to get off the island, the bridge to get out which is about two miles down the road that way going to remain open as long as they can keep it open or anybody decides they want to get out. nobody is getting on this island once that curfew takes place in just less than an hour now. we did hear police this afternoon up and down the road telling people, warning them they are not tolerating it. cars will be off the road. people will be off the road. there are police cars that are patrolling up and down periodically. one now going in the other direction as we speak. right now going through another one of these squalls. it's just going to continue to intensify as the night goes on. as everyone said, this is such a broad, huge storm, that these tropical storm force winds are
going to be with us for hours and hours building to the hurricane-force winds. then when we get past the front end of the storm on that back end of the storm we'll go through all those tropical storm force winds again. it's very possible tomorrow night at this time we'll still be experiencing conditions very similar to what we are seeing out here this evening. you see the road is pretty empty. not very many cars out here right now. that's the way the authorities want it. >> thanks, john zarrella on atlantic beach, north carolina, just the beginning, the outer edge of this hurricane. now we want to head up the north carolina coast to nags head. so many people have said, have talked about the worst-case scenario. we are hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. what is the worst that could happen where you are? >> reporter: the worst-case
scenario has to could with flooding. as you heard john zarrella describing, these islands could get hit from the atlantic side and from the west as this storm comes across it will push waters and a storm surge from the atlantic. what people around here refer to as a reverse storm surge, pushing it from the other side of the island, as well, as it passes by. i've seen that happen before. it could be very dangerous. completely flooding roadways on some of these islands making them completely impassable. the big thing they'll be watching for on the atlantic side where you see this pounding surf right now, when that storm surge comes in, it's going to be coming up and pounding against the dunes that are on these islands. we've seen this happen in every storm somewhere up and down these islands. these dunes are going to fail in different places. they are preparing for that. when that does happen, you're going to have the ocean crashing through the dunes and into the property and into the streets
beyond. when that happens, it carries a lot of sand with it. those roads could be blocked for some time after. right now the state of north carolina has deployed highway machinery at different places in safe areas ready to come in as soon as possible. at this point, everyone is sitting back, waiting to see just how bad this is going to be, candy. >> hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. david manningly in kill devil hills in north carolina. within the past couple of hours, hurricane warnings also were issued for new york city, long island, connecticut coast, rhode island plus martha's vineyard and nantucket in massachusetts. president obama and his family are ending their vacation early and returning to the white house tonight. even washington is in harm's way. we want to check in with cnn meteorologist chad myers. it seems to me the danger of
this storm -- its strength is mighty but it's the breadth and width that is the most dangerous part. >> that is correct. the size, the north, south, east and west side of tropical storm force winds, something i haven't seen in a big storm like this. typically you get a storm maybe 50 miles around it will be a tropical storm and down in the middle will be hurricane-force winds, maybe 30 miles from the center this. thing goes literally for 200 miles in each direction. there is where david mattingly was. there is john zarrella, 37 right now. brian todd heading down there, 46 miles per hour. all this rain coming onshore. you can see band after band of rainfall. this will cause flash flooding in the next couple of days all the way up the coast. this is, although not a slow mover, it's not as fast as typically these will be in the mid latitudes like we are. a storm like this should be doing 20 miles per hour up the coast.
right now it's 13 or 14. that it's size. look at the size, evergreen circle you see here. evergreen pixel is a tropical storm-force wind. that's almost up to nags head right there. cape hatteras down to charleston and well down almost into the bahamas. i'll put this into motion. 7:00 a.m. atlantic beach, where john zarrella is, gets the eye of the hurricane. maybe to his east but close. virginia beach won't get the eye until 7:00 p.m. that is 12 hours of wind over 40 then 50, 60 and it keeps going until ocean city gets it. here's 2:00 a.m. sunday morning. tropical storm force winds already into the sound, long island sound right there, blowing into the harbor, new york harbor.
water backing up the hudson river and backing up the east river. 2:00 a.m. the winds are already 39 or 40. that's when everything gets shut down because winds are going to be too big to move things around. trucks can't go over bridges. the eye doesn't get there for another eight hours. so the wind is blowing in that same direction for eight hours and will push that water into where lady liberty is back up those rivers. those rivers will flood. boston, you get it about 3:00 sunday night. one thing i just noticed, we have a hurricane hunter aircraft flying through it. here is jacksonville, here is the coast. here is john zarrella there and cape hatteras. the hurricane hunter aircraft flying through. right there is the eye. they just found a 123 mile per hour wind. if you were thinking this storm is dying, that 123 mile-per-hour
wind will change your mind. >> that answers my question, which was have you seen any good news in this. it sounds like whatever good news you may have seen is negated by finding you the inside that storm, 123 mile-an-hour wind. that's mighty. >> it could be getting its act together around a new eyewall. we'll have to see tonight. >> chad myers, thanks so much. nooid a mandatory evacuation order is in effect for dear county, north carolina, where 150,000 tourists have come to visit historic kitty hawk and nags head. nags head mayor lived there since 1984 and plans to ride the storm out. thank you so much, mayor, for taking time for us. since you have been there since 1984, you've seen a lot of storms. nags head is not new to the hurricane business. compare this to others you have seen.
>> well, we always prepare for the worst storm we see coming. then hope for the best. we've got an excellent public staff. they have been through this process a lot of times in preparing for a number of storms. we've been very fortunate. isabel is probably the most recent storm that affected us dramatically. that hit south nags head pretty hard. >> i know i have some friends who live down there in nags head who told me as they were leaving, they were listening to weather report and listening to people say it is possible this storm could change the shape of nags head. what does that mean? what do you fear will happen there if the storm lives up to our worst fears? >> the biggest danger for us is the sound flooding. if that track of the storm comes up the sound, it creates a tremendous amount of hydraulic pressure in the sounds. it wants to break out and it
goes over the land and to the sea. we are hopeful that's not the case. we are prepared and ready to clean up and pick up. we've done the essential things. we've gotten our visitors off. we've given notice to our residents. a lot of folks haves coulden to leave the island. now we monitor things as they go on and hope for the best. there comes a point in time when we don't send our public safety people out into the storm, to protect them. >> sure. it's i not safe for public safety people. let me ask you if you have any sense how much of the island has been evacuated? you always have a if you people saying i'm going to ride this out. do you think that most people have left other than your public safety folks? >> yes. we had a good response to the evacuation. folks do recognize this storm as having a lot of potential for damage, especially folks near the water.
they know how things can go. you want to be very careful. this is a dangerous storm. we had good response. folks do have good common sense here. it's a very resourceful group of people and fairly self-reliant. i think they are prepared. the ones that are here know what's coming for them a little bit. >> tell me what it's like there right now. what kind of support system is there for people who stay behind? is there anything still open? we are seeing taped video of folks boarding up businesses, et cetera. is anything open there? >> most finishing their preparation. once the wind starts to blow, it's too late to be doing your preparations. people picking up loose ends today. a lot of folks down here working
in the tourism industry. people were taking care of getting the guests out and nonresident property owners' property taken care of, then take care of their own profits and get themselves out. it's very quiet. there's not a lot of traffic on the road. we don't want folks out and about in the storm. that is a danger for everybody. it's a little bit of rain. the ocean has kicked up over the past two hours or so. i expect it will keep going in that direction. >> out of nags head, north carolina, mayor bob oakes. we can hope we get the best situation we can. thanks for your time. >> thank you, ma'am. we appreciate it and hope to welcome folks back soon. >> plenty of irene including a stormchaser following irene. a live look at cnn's brian todd's camera crew driving outside wrightsville beach,
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bob mcdonald, tomorrow is going to be a "horrendous day for travel." sunday will probably not be any better. joining me is virginia governor bob mcdonnell. thank you for taking time out from what i know is a tense period for you. you predicted in storm could be deadlier than hurricane isabel in 2003. what are you hearing that makes you believe that? >> i think it's the swath of the storm and the speed of this storm. we are expecting some areas in southeast virginia and the eastern shore to have four to six hours of hurricane-force winds and up to 20 hours or more of tropical storm-force winds. we've got about a million people in southeast virginia that are going to experience hurricane-force winds, which
means widespread power outages and everything that goes with that. we want to prepare people for the very worst. our people are ready. i visited hampton and virginia beach and norfolk. met with the mayors, the emergency operations people. i think we are ready. >> how are the evacuations going? there are people who are going to stay. do you have a message for them? >> i empowered them by executive order yesterday all the localities to issue mandatory evacuations. they have done that throughout southeast virginia along the eastern shore. we estimate about 150,000 to 200,000 people are subject to mandatory evacuations in those low-lying and coastal areas and many others through voluntary evacuations. i think they are heading the warning. i flew down along the major interstate route. it was just full of traffic but moving. bottom line is government is prepared to do some things both
ahead of the storm and during the storm and the cleanup after. ultimately, our people have got to be prepared on their own. know there's going to be power outages. help their neighbors. stay off the roads. make sure they are prepared for power outages and water shortages. they've got to do it today. >> i assume you like other governors said be prepared for three days up to no help. have water, food, a flashlight, radio not driven by power. i want to ask you though, there are going to be those that stay there and you've got some voluntary evacuations in places. how about advice from the governor of virginia? >> if your locality is a voluntary evacuation, you know what your house might be capable of sustaining, how high your building site is away from the water.
there are shelters all over the eastern part of the state. realize that there will be significant flooding. there will be trees down. there will be widespread power shortages. while we've done much better the last eight years since isabel, there are likely to be water shortages if certain amount of treatment plants get overrun and it takes a while to get them back up. the preparation has to be today. tomorrow when tropical storm force winds begin, we will have several bridges and tunnels in virginia that will be closed. it's going to be a lot harder to get out. make the decision today. move today. otherwise make sure you're absolutely prepared. if i could throw out this website www.vaemergenci.gov, we've got a vast array of
information about not only preparation but evacuation routes. we ask virginians to see that. >> we'll post that on our website. we'll remind viewers about that at the end of the program. you had the earthquake in virginia. now irene coming. i wonder if you worry about the effect of all this on the economy of virginia? >> some. we are doing very well overall. unemployment rate is down, finances for the state are pretty good. obviously, this was a huge weekend for virginia beach. we had surfing championships down there and a lot of hoteliers are going to lose a lot of revenue. it is a significant impact for our tourism. rentals are going to be delayed until monday. we had fires in the great swamp.
while most of us would agree it's a good idea to get away from a hurricane packing 100 mile-an-hour sustained winds and predicted 11-foot storm surge. some people make a living chasing them. with us via skype at nags head is meteorologist mike trimmer. you do do research here. this isn't all about the big thrill. i want to ask you first of all, whether you see anything so far in your travels that says to you this is a different kind of hurricane? this really is going to be wouldn't that people will remember? >> i have chased over a dozen hurricanes including katrina which was the worst natural disaster by far i've ever witnessed. this event right here, i get
that same feeling in my stomach when you're chasing it. so many people are going to be affected by the flooding, by the strong winds. you just know there is likely going to be damage even with this slight decreasing trend, there will still be significant storm surge. you feel for the people and the forecasts have been accurate. you hope the people have taken the necessary safety precautions to avoid the areas that are going to be flooded. >> is there anything about this storm that scares you more than some of the others? you do a lot of tornados. does this one scare you more than others? it seems to me the urgency of the warning seems to be at a higher level. >> one thing about tornados, when we chase them, we drive, intercept them we have an armored vehicles. once you intercept you can drive away in sunshine. a storm like this, a hurricane,
a tropical cyclone, you're in the elements for possibly several hours. this right here is hitting populated areas. it could take a long time to evacuate these big cities. i think it's important to have the urgency and warning. a storm like this, if it takes the track predicted, storm surge could be really devastating in the new york city area. >> one of the things that goes along with you and we saw a video is that vehicle you call the dominator. i wonder whether you think the dominator is up to these 100 mile-an-hour sustained winds they talked about. chad myers told us they blocked at about 123 inside the hurricane. how does it stay stable and will it last through this one? i'm assuming you hope so. >> it has bullet-proof armor and bullet-proof windows and has
hydraulics which allows the shell to drop to the ground which prevents lifting of the vehicle. we don't want it to behave like an airplane wing. i think we can handle the 100 mile-an-hour winds. even flying debris. we intercepted ef-4 tornados, ef-3 measured directly from our vehicle. what i am concerned about is that storm surge. that's why we've been extra prepared, see how high we are above that potential storm surge. you always want to have an escape route. a person who is not a meteorologist and doesn't have experience doing this should not be out because they can be deadly. water scares me. having an 11-foot storm surge, i'll stay clear of that and try to money those wind speeds.
>> reed timer, star of discovery channel's "stormchasers," that you for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> we want to check in with the national hurricane center ed rapport. one thing the president said tonight, all indications point to this being a historic hurricane. is irene going to live up as far as what you can see right now tonight to that kind of prediction? >> it will for some people. for some in the northeast, this will be the strongest hurricane they experienced in perhaps 20 years. the reason for that is normally when a storm comes up the east coast and threatened north carolina, takes a practical that looks like this. perhaps passes out to sea just to the east of new england. in this case we have the track over north carolina. rather than bending out to sea it will come up parallel to and maybe right along the u.s.
coastline and up through southern new england. because the storm is strongest to the right of center, all this area that is near and just to the east will have the worst of the conditions. one of the issues in this storm is how large it is. while we don't have the peak winds we would see from a katrina-like event as we mentioned earlier, to such a large storm we'll see tropical storm force winds for as much as 24 hours in some places. north carolina and to the east of the center could experience hurricane-force winds as much as ten hours. >> it's the sustained winds, the constantness and largeness of this storm that you think could be the most damaging. every time we look at these models of where the storm might go and the probable path and possible path, it gets smaller and smaller. you seem more and more certain. are there still ways irene could surprise us?
>> at this stage, the track is pretty much locked in. we just talked about the wind and everybody thinks about the wind for hurricane. i want to emphasize the greatest risk for loss of life as you heard earlier is from drowning in a hurricane. there are two primary risks. one is to the east of the center, with the flow coming like this at the surface you pile up water along the coast. the storm surge could rise as much as four to eight feet. on the west of the storm, on the left side of the storm, it's going to be excessive rainfall in some places. five to ten inches of rain, locally 15 inches of rain. in the northeast, that's going to fall on to areas already saturated ground. which we talk about the wind and there will be problems from the wind there will be a lot of trees coming down in the northeast. the big issue is in terms of risk to life will be the storm surge to the east of the center and the rainfall to the west of the center. >> get as far away from the
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welcome back. here's the latest on hurricane irene. right now, the category 2 storm with 100 mile-an-hour sustained winds is approaching the north carolina coast. within the past couple of hours, hurricane warnings also were issued for new york city, long island, connecticut coast, rhode island, plus martha's vineyard and nantucket in massachusetts. even if aren't in the storm's path, at least eight oil refineries are, representing 10% of the nation's refining capacity. experts warn there may be a spike in gas prices depending on how much damage the storm does in philadelphia, new jersey and delaware. you may not have noticed, but it was a good day and good week on wall street. stocks broke out of a four-week
losing streak. part of the reason for today's rally is a speech by fed chairman ben bernanke. he didn't announce new plans to stimulate the economy, but investors believe the fed is in a wait-and-see mode. joining us for perspective is krista friedland, global editor-at-large for reuters. when the fed chairman speaks, we listen. what did you hear? >> my ordinary person translation of what ben bernanke said today is it's not my turn to do stuff, it's the government's turn. what the government should be doing is medium term balance the budget, but in the short term, please, please don't go crazy and stop spending money. >> my question is why is that such good news to wall street that the chairman is saying, i'm out of bullets here. it's somebody elt's turn and the turn goes to washington? >> i don't think that it was. i don't think they were opening
up the champagne on wall street. what would have had wall street really cheering, and i think would have given a surge in the markets is if ben bernanke said it's okay, everyone, i'm going to save your bacon again. he didn't say that. at least he didn't rule it out. he did say in september we are going to take another look. he also warns that he thinks the economy is in pretty crummy shape. he focused particularly on unemployment. he said that is the one thing which could leave long-term scars. it's not that normal to have a central banker talk about that. they like to focus more on inflation. i think that did give people a sense if the recovery continues to falter, he will step in. >> thank you so much for your expertise on this. we appreciate it. >> pleasure. are major cities prepared for irene? [ male announcer ] for sore muscles use new bengay cold therapy.
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>> reporter: the storm surge is on the beach here. we just got socked by a wave. few people are down here. emergency management [ distorted video ] some of the people are milling around watching all this. they are worried about the storm surge going that close to the town and washing over it. [ distorted audio ] they are worried about losing
power. [ distorted audio ] >> brian, you are tough to understand at this point, but you are fighting the elements there. we hear you about the surge of the water and wind picking up. brian is headed to wilmington. thanks so, brian. we'll get back to you. anderson cooper "360" is coming at the top of the hour. looks so peaceful where you are, anderson, after watching brian todd. >> in fact, the sun just set. it was among the more beautiful sun sets i've seen. we are coming to you from what seems to be a very peaceful southern tip of manhattan here in new york city. what's odd and that's what's so strange about these storms, this very spot is expected to be under water when hurricane irene hits in a little bit more than 36 hours. just how far under water remains to be seen. new york's main international airport closes at noon tomorrow.
same for the subways, all mass transits, sporting events, broadway shows, david matthews concert is being canceled. mayor bloomberg ordered about 255,000 people to get out. we should have a clear idea where and when the storm will hit in a few minutes. we'll have a a live bulletin at the top of the hour. take a look at this video, candy. this is irene ripping through the bahamas about 36 hours ago. we'll spoke to the man who rode out the storm there, took the video. also inside the eye of the storm, what irene looks like from a hurricane chase. it's all at the top of the hour. we'll also be on at 10:00 p.m. >> we'll be there with you. this storm does seem to be picking up speed, or at least is coming ashore. the pictures are amazing from the bahamas. >> there are a number of big cities in the storm's path that
almost never see hurricanes. they are right in the path of irene tonight. with us on the phone is newark, new jersey, mayor cory booker. thank you for being with us. i know when you prepare for anything this large that you have a population that has a good deal of poverty within it. therefore, it seems to me that requires some special preparations for people who may not be able to go on the internet easily or may not have the wherewithal to get all these things the government tells you to go out and buy. how do you prepare your city for something like this? >> any large city has a big spread of population and newark is no different. we are making sure, we literally are going out in the streets to look for people that might be homeless from areas we know from recent surveys. we are getting our shelters ready, inviting everybody there. trying to create an environment
that is inviting, making sure we have adequate food, cots and generators. we are having people check the internet or even as people know through social media it's not enough. we are making sure we get up on local tv as well as using our public housing authority, using our school system. to get word out in more of a manual way. >> some of this is door-to-door or block-to-block. do you have the money and the staff to do that to the extent you would like to? >> the staff, absolutely. we are very pleased we had just such a robust amount of help. all our police officers and firefighters are coming in in droves offering to help out. we are coordinating with a great county government as well as other organizations from colleges and universities through the public education system.
obviously, this does cost money. this is not the time to think about dollars and cents when there are literally lives to be on the line. it's better to have a preparation and not have one than have an emergency and not be prepared. the state of new jersey called for a state of emergency. hopefully in the future we'll get funding back for all we are doing to prepare for the storm. >> mayor cory booker, thank you so much for joining us. good luck to you. some new york city some new york city hospitals have begun evacuating patients in preparation for irene. how seriously are new yorkers in general taking this threat. stay with us. my name is robin.
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. at new york staten island university hospital they have been evacuating patients since last night. 230 patients have to be moved. nobody want as repeat of those horror stories from new orleans after hurricane katrina when hospitals lost power and people were trapped. staten island university hospital president and ceo joins us via skype. thank you so much. just in terms of sheer logistics, i know it's about 230 patients to how many hospitals? >> we actually are transferring patients to several hospitals within the north shore lij
health system. we're part of that system. there's 15 hospitals in the system but we're pretty much narrowing our focus on thee to four hospitals. >> so these are hospitals within the region but in a zone of safety from hurricane irene. i'm wondering what then happens to new patients. aren't we now -- i think there's some 22 health care facilities being evacuated in new york. doesn't this crowd the other facilities at a point when a crisis is happening, you have less room in care facilities? >> that's an excellent point. what we've done, staten island is a community of 500,000 people and as is obvious we're an island. we have two hospitals located on staten island. one is staten island university and one evacuating. one other hospital is left for 500,000, richmond university medical center.
the reason we're transferring our patients off of stoeld is not to put a great burden on richmond university medical center so they can care for needs over the next couple of days that we're not taking patients as inpatients. our emergency rooms will remain open. >> so your emergency room facilities at your hospital remain open. so you'll have health care providers there during the storm. >> we won be accepting them through 911 we will, however, have emergency personnel here to treat people who are walk-ins or brought in by family members. >> what have you told your health care providers at that hospital to do? where will they be, the bulk of them, over the next several days, and where do you plan to ride out this storm? >> we will go to a much lower level of staffing once the patients removed from this facility and maintain it mostly with facilities, plan ops and
emergency personnel to deal with emergencies. i'll be at the hospital myself. we'll be staying close to the situation. there is an evacuation order for the entire area south of highland boulevard in staten island. all homes will be evacuated. we're concerned about all of this. we're concerned for the well being of our patient, for elm of staten island and, of course, for our own employees who have to deal with these issues. but we have a strong staff of employees. they've dealt with 9/11. they dealt with the ferry crash of 2003. and we have dedicated employees who are here around the clock. what's also interesting about all of this is that in 115 years of existence this hospital has been around since 1861. this is the first time that this hospital will actually close its doors. >> but, again, you'll remain open for emergencies that come to your door. there will be a skeleton staff there? >> skeleton staff of emergency
physicians who will treat, triage and transfer patients out. >> you have quite a couple of days. i hope that it misses you or that any damage or injuries, of course, are minimal. the president and ceo of staten island university hospital. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, candy. it's been my pleasure. >> the latest news from new york mayor michael bloomberg who just announced even though the deadline for the mandatory evacuation of low-lying areas is tomorrow afternoon people are going to have trouble if they are not out by tomorrow morning. our mary snow joins us from lower manhattan one of the areas to be evacuated. mary? >> reporter: and candy, one option for people, mass transit will not be an option tomorrow because the city for the first time is disrupting service on subway, buses and commuter trains in and out of the city. so that path will be closed to people. and their options are fewer in terms of getting out of the
city. >> so, in other words, i mean i don't understand exactly why this is being difficult, why this is so difficult at this point. is it do you see a lot of people evacuating? are the roads jammed up? >> reporter: we don't see a lot of people evacuating. but we talked to a number of people today who said that they are leaving the city in the low-lying areas such as lower manhattan, that people were making contingency plans to get out of the city. people were relying on mass transit and millions of people rely on it every day. that is a problem. even people working in the city, let's say, you know, just getting around, getting back to their homes, that's an additional problem. so, you know, as the hours go by, tomorrow afternoon and those apgss are not there and as you said that deadline for getting out is at 5:00 p.m. because winds are expected to pick up by tomorrow night. >> you know, new york city is a pretty