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the fight didn't happen. so we're overturned. so knox amanda is free and raf raffaele as well. >> knox and her boyfriend are both exonerated on murder charges. the court's upholding knox's slander conviction but sentencing her to time served. a powerful incentive to overturn including evidence casting doubt on the state's dna evidence and amanda knox's own words earlier today. [ speaking italian ]
>> outside the courtroom competing outcries from onlookers shouting victory, victory as the legal team laughed, others yelling shame, shame. amanda's sister deanna read a statement. >> we're grateful for the support we received from people all over the world. people who took time to research the case and could see that amanda and raffaele were
innocent. for having the courage to look for the truth and to overturn this conviction. >> knox said nothing herself after leaving the prison in a two-car convoy after picking up her belongings and saying good-bye. she's in rome preparing to leave for seattle. matthew chance was in perugia when the verdict came in. where is amanda knox right now and do we know what her plans are for the next two hours? >> reporter: it's an undisclosed location. we understand she's staying at a villa with her family. with family and friends who came over to support her. celebrating her dramatic acquittal from these murder charges and release from a 26-year prison sentence. i imagine she's got a lot to talk about, a lot to celebrate. her plans, according to the family, the lawyers that we've spoken to, she wants to get home as soon as possible back to seattle so she can pick up, you know, the pieces of her
shattered life. it's something that she said she wanted to do since she was arrested four years ago, since she was sentenced in 2009 for the killing of meredith kercher. >> i imagine you were in the courtroom. i was watching on television. i couldn't tell what the reaction in the court was. i heard all these sounds but it was kind of hard to understand whether people were yelling at her or for her. what was it like? >> it was very emotional indeed. the sounds that you could hear in the court were the sort of hoots and yelps and cheers of the knox family. they were the only ones making the noise really. they were so euphoric. they couldn't believe that this nightmare for them had come to an end. amanda knox herself was overwhelmed with emotion. she could barely walk she was crying so much as they escorted her out of court. she was very much overcome with emotion of the moment. very tense situation because also the kerchers were in the
courtroom and the sister of meredith kercher, the mother of meredith kercher, the murdered girl as well. and they had the opposite reaction. they were very upset, very sad, and they were crying because of this acquittal. >> they feel like she's the forgotten victim in all of this. we're going to give you a profile of meredith kercher later on in the program on this day when the family of amanda knox is celebrating, you want to remember the family of another victim in all of this, meredith kercher. that's coming up. matthew, thank you. i want to turn to drew given who is in amanned ka's home town seattle and jeffrey toobin and former l.a. deputy district attorney marcia clark author of the book "guilt by association." jeff, in your opinion, was this the correct verdict? >> this was really a terrible case. there were two pieces of evidence against her. there was this confession that was clearly discombobulated and false and a piece of dna that was completely discredited, plus the real killer is in prison.
rudy g rudy guede had his blood at the scene and the prosecution of amanda knox and her boyfriend seemed inexplicable. >> a lot has hinged on dna evidence that was later reversed or later ruled basically useless. >> yeah, exactly. anderson, it's one of these things that you look at. now did nobody look at this at the time of trial? why did it get this far if it was this badly handled? we found it was. they have a different system there. at trial where we weed it out before we get to court. there it seemed as though they go to trial, then weed it out on appeal. here appeal is a very limited thing. they have a different balance. the bad news about that system is people go to prison awaiting trial that probably shouldn't be there. >> she already served four years. >> what made today so incredibly dramatic is in the italian system, the stakes were much higher than usual. the court could have increased
her sentence. in an american appeal, you can't get a longer sentence. but the italian prosecutors asked for a life sentence. she was looking at anywhere between life and going home today. >> incredible. the pressure must have been extraordinary. drew, you're in in amanda knox's home town seattle. what are you hearing from friends and family and people there? >> they're just elated that this nightmare is finally over. looking forward to her coming home, hopefully tomorrow. hoping to hear from her, although the family has told us in the past that they were going to let amanda knox to decide when and if she talks to the media. they'll concerned about the pressure she'll be under when she ask get back to the states. >> interesting to watch the courtroom. seemed like chaos, seemed so disorganized compared to a u.s. courtroom. >> doesn't snit i was impressed by the same thing. people milling around. >> who are all these people and what are they doing? >> so crowded in there you could
barely see here. they engulf her. >> i got a kick out of the crucifix behind the judge. that's not what you'd see in an american courtroom. >> she's spending the night on italian soil. there was talk of her trying to get out right away. i don't know her access to planes. >> she's probably getting out right away. she couldn't book the flight until she knew what the verdict was. maybe she is getting out as soon as she can. >> what's the expectation for the next 24 to 48 hours? will she return to seattle? >> that's the plan. the family had been talking about a big barbecue. she's a barbecue fan. her stepfather brought her barbecue in that prison outside perugia. that is the plan. but again, they say that amanda knox, even though this case is huge and even though she had access, that amanda really didn't know how big this case was internationally in scope, and they are very concerned
about how she'll handle it. i just want to point out to your viewers, i sat down with this prosecutor and to understand how it got to this point, you have to understand this man. in my interview, he was a guy who would step over the obvious path that the evidence led to and look for a conspiracy theories to explain how this evidence could fit into his version of what this crime was. and i think a lot of how this came to this point, this four years in prison was developed out of giuliano manini's mind and his conspiracy theories that he just would woo not shake even though the evidence was pointing in the other direction. >> i remember that interview. correct me if i'm wrong, i vaguely recall him saying when i went to the crime scene, my instinct had told me she had done it. >> yeah. he showed up on the very first day, amanda knox and raffaele sollecito were comforting themselves outside the apartment. from that moment, he knew
somehow those two people were guilty. when the evidence came back, remember, patrick lumumba was also arrested. based on the confession of amanda knox. the police had just checked her own confession, which she said was coerced, they would have known that patrick lumumba had an airtight alibi. he was running his bar with a lot of people in the bar that night. they had to let him go. the dna comes back and they still include raffaele sollecito and amanda knox even though none of that forensic evidence was there. >> why do people give confessions that are false to police? we hear this time and time again. people are asked that question. i would never confess to the police. how does that happen? >> until you're under the gun, until you're a -- especially look at her, for example. a young girl in a foreign country who feels very alone and very frightened. and on some level whether implicit or explicit assured
that if she does admit culpability, it will be better for her if she tells the truth right now, there's that promise and threat if you don't tell the truth, as they see it, it will go much worse for you. picture her alone in that situation. >> happens all the time. >> even to people who under normal circumstances would be no, there's no way i would ever do that. >> keep in mind that she's 20 years old. she's only been in italian for two months and her italian is shaky at best. and she's being interrogated in italian. >> the idea that this was some sort of sexcapade on the part of her boyfriend and her, she was only dating this guy you revealed in your report, for eight days. >> that's absolutely right. and in our interview with the prosecutor, he said, he sloughed it all, i have no idea where that sex orgy thing came from. he was quoted as being the source of that. back to the point of the
confession, amanda knox told her parents -- and this is why her parents were also in trouble because they repeated this -- the police har anged her for 24 hours. she didn't speak fluent italian like she does now back when this happened. according to her, she said she was asked to imagine what could have happen. i talk to other people who are interrogated by manini. he said, listen, in separate crimes we were asked to imagine what would happen. and i have the amanda knox confession, which by the way was thrown out of court. in it she says at the very end, i do not remember if meredith was screaming and if i heard some thuds, too, because i was upset, but i imagine what could have happened. i'm not sure what happened in this confession, but it was after many, many hours of interrogation when she says she was in a room with limited translation being provided by a police officer, not an actual italian to english translator. >> drew, appreciate your
reporting, thank you. jeffrey and marcia clark, thanks for being here. next, how doubts about dna evidence helped free amanda knox. we'll be joined by an expert for idaho's innocence project and we'll take a look at the victim in all this, meredith kercher, not forgetting her tonight. rick perry's old hunting grounds. the old name of the place is a racial slur. the sign was painted over decades ago. "the washington post" says it's closer to current events. keeping them honest. first let's check in with isha sesay. >> two emergency room doctors taking the stand telling jurors what happened as they try to revive their patient. and they say what crucial fact that conrad murray failed to mention. so you earn 50 percent more cash. if you're not satisfied with 50% more cash, send it back! i'll be right here, waiting for it.
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place and where the two women shared an apartment. as you've seen already, this is being viewed as vindication for amanda knox, recognition that justice was not done in her original trial. for some it is a way of saying that justice was not done either, for the victim. meredith kercher's family feels she's become the forgotten victim. >> very difficult to kind of keep her memory alive in all of this. >> kercher was just 21 when she was raped and murdered, her body found partially naked, her throat slashed. >> the brutality of what actually happened that night and everything that meredith must have felt that night, everything she went through, the fear and the terror and not knowing why, and she didn't deserve that. no one deserves that. >> kercher was the youngest of four kids. growing up she loved poetry, gymnastics and ballet. >> she was nice.
she was clever, and there's not enough metaphors to say how nice she was. >> her friends and family remember kerchers a someone who always cared for others, always wanted to lend a helping hand. >> things like her birthday and christmas. and her absence is huge really. >> kercher, a third year student at the university of leeds was in italy to study politics and italian. to raise money for the trip, she worked a job at gatwick airport near her home south of london. her father john told the "daily telegraph," she fought so hard to get out there. there were quite a few setback, but she was determined to go and kept persisting and eventually got what she wanted. once in perugia, she moved into this villa with amanda knox. >> she were friends, but i wouldn't say that close. they were moving in different circles and at different levels as well. >> for kercher the study abroad program was an opportunity of a
lifetime, until that violent night her life and future were stolen. now that an italian jury has thrown out the murder convictions of knox and her then boyfriend raffaele sollecito, kercher's family is left wondering whether justice was served. >> it is difficult to think of forgiveness at this point. four years on the one hand is a very long time. on the other, it's still very raw. >> we need to find out what happened. it's not really a question of reaching out or, you know, joining them in anything. it is to find out what happened to meredith. and to get some justice for her really. >> hard to imagine your daughter dieing in a far away land and feeling that you don't really know what happened even four years after her murder. let's dig deeper now in the scientific evidence the prosecutors continued to maintain that tied amanda and
her boyfriend to the crime, the same evidence that the appeals judges felt wanting. a director of the idaho innocence project. thanks for being with us. you said amanda knox and raffaele sollecito, her then-boyfriend, should have been released four years ago because the scientific evidence just wasn't there to support the prosecution's case. how so? >> i think we see the tragedy of misapplied science in that you've shown the kerchers -- they're now in a state of just utter despair because they were led down a certain road. but the dna that was done the day of the murder in that room where their daughter was killed was done perfectly well. i've watched all the videos and seen the collection and gone through all the analysis. all of that dna pointed to rudy guede, one person. and the tragedy here is that gut feeling, the gut feeling of the prosecutor trumped the science.
and because of that, we have added more victims to this crime. you have three families devastated. and you have the first victim's family in this terrible state where they don't know who to trust now. so that's the problem when you refuse to give up a gut feeling when the science comes back and shows you you were wrong. >> you got involved in this case back in 2009. you conducted tests basically re-creating how the police collected the evidence. what did that show you? >> we collected tests where i told my research associates to change their gloves every other time, every other piece of evidence. kind of -- we didn't see them change gloves at all in the video. when they did that, we saw the same type of contamination that was seen in this case. we saw innocent dna from some soda cans we collected from the staff of my dean's office ended up on some knives because my staff was only changing their gloves every other piece of
evidence. >> so wait a minute. explain that to me. >> sure. >> what's the important of changing the gloves? >> well, you know, the principle of dna transfer is that it is so easy to move dna. if i want to move your fingerprint from a glass, your traditional fingerprint, it's impossible or dichlt at least. but dna, i just have to rub it on my finger and to a gun or a knife, and your dna is moved. if i'm wearing a glove, the only dna that shows up is your dna that i transferred from your soda can, from your skin. we showed that's what happened, especially when you do what they did in italy. they did not stick with the traditional cutoff, which is about we call 200 rf views or 150. they went down to a very low level. we did that in my laboratory, we saw contamination. >> that's a level of dna. >> yeah. i'm sorry to use -- >> that's okay. >> that's the relative
fluorescent unit. so for example the fbi says that they won't report to incriminate someone levels that are below 200. my lab we use 150 at our cutoff. we validated that. some labs go down to 100. i've seen a few that have validated their approach to 50. but this this case they looked at the knife that implicated amanda, and they looked for meredith kercher's dna and brought it down to something like 15. and if i do that in my lab, i'm going to find my kid's dna transferred on my hands. >> that's amazing. >> such small levels. yeah. so that's why we set those levels. that's why the fbi does what they say. we're sure when we do it at this level, it's real. and unfortunately, the gut feeling was supported by bad science in this case. it's ruined two more families. it will take them a long time to
get over this. >> sure will. fascinating stuff. i appreciate your expertise. >> thanks. thick clouds of black smoke caused by a fire at a chemical plant in texas. forced a nearby school in a neighborhood to evacuate. take a look at those images. the latest on dr. conrad murray's trial. the death trial of michael jackson. from the doctors in the emergency room who tried to save his life.
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you'll only hear it once and not from us. it was the name of the ranch that perry has hunted on for years and that his father invested in in 1993. the name is crooked river ranch. the old name, as we said, was offensive. herman cain was asked about it after it surfaced in "the washington post." >> the name of the place is called nigger head. that's very insensitive. since governor perry has been going there for years to hunt, i think it shows a sensitivity of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place. that's a case of insensitivity. >> cain has since backed away from his words saying he's satisfied with perry's explanation and he's neither attacking the governor nor playing the race card, that's a quote. as for the governor, he's taken strong exception to the "post" story, a number of claims made in the story are incorrect, inconsistent and anonymous. as for the last part, anonymous
sourcing, that is true. they make no attempt to conceal it. perry's father painted over the offensive name back in 1983 or '84. "the post" cites seven people most anonymously, some who say they saw the word more recently. keeping them honest, their recollections of when they saw it range from the 1980s to the 1990s to as little as three years ago. the perry campaign said the word was painted over no later than '83 or '84. there's a lot of daylight between the two sides. here to talk about it erick erickson of red state.com, ari fleischer now a cnn contributor and available on twitter, also political analyst and devote texan roland martin. perry's supporters are saying, this is basically slanderous, this article. nobody's saying that rick perry chose this name of the farm or of the ranch or painted it on that rock. is he getting a raw deal here? >> first of all, to suggest it's slanderous makes no sense.
the reality is there are people who are saying -- some people were quoted, their names used, in that "washington post" story that that was a name on a rock. it was very visible. he said we painted over it. and so look, if you're the campaign and you say there are some inconsistent statements, but you know what? you knock them down, you knock them out of the way. so therefore, i read their statement. but look, you must knock this thing down, be very clear and at the end of the day, is the rock still there? are you still going there? and remove it. it makes no sense. forget painting over it. just destroy it. it makes no sense at all. >> you agree with the critics who said this was slanderous. you stick by that? slanderous how so? >> well, you know, this is an attack on rick perry trying to paint him as a racist. these come up all the time. i don't think anyone who knows rick perry would think he's a racist. to be fair here, his father didn't invest in this property. it was a hunting lease, which
are pretty common in a lot of plays. and you just have access to the land to hunt on, you don't control or manage or own it. the statement that the rock may or may not have been seen, i haven't seen any pictures of the rock to see what its current condition is, his father painted over it, the paint faded. they at some point tipped the rock over or someone did. the rock was set up again. to tie this in to rick perry and say that rick perry is a racist or this is the product of being raised in the south or in west texas, it's really making a mountain out what i really think is a mole hill. >> ari, you think the impression that perry is being unfairly attacked may actually help him here? >> there's a conservative rallying to rick perry and a backlash. because what erick is talking about, there's this sense in republican politics no matter what you do, you'll get accused of being a racist. when it happens, people rally. but there is another side of it here and that's sensitivity. for heaven's sake, if you're
african american and you heard that somebody had a piece of land even though they didn't own it and they didn't name it, that had that name, of course that's going to get your back up. that's human nature and understandable. but to defend the governor here, it is a fact, he didn't name it, he didn't own it. he had 2% of that entire ranch that he got to use for hunting. i asked the perry campaign today why didn't they just get rid of the rock. apparently it's some gigantic bolder. not the type of thing that you can just throw out. the intention was clear in the '80s, 30 years ago when they said they painted it over, that they objected to the name. that's what's most important here. >> anderson, look, here's the deal. i totally understand what ari said. but isn't it is a question of what you do in your own life? it's no different to me than if somebody decides to join an all-male golf club or a golf club that excludes african-americans, it is going to come up. so it speaks to an individual. so is this going to be, to me, a
long-lasting story? no, of course not. herman cain has backed off of it. no other republican candidates are making an issue out of it. no doubt if you're on the republican side, the last thing you want is rick perry having to deal with this story. already he's having difficulty over the whole debate issue. so the party is trying to figure out who is the candidate who frankly can be strong enough to go against president obama. so it doesn't help them hymn, but i doubt very seriously it will knock him out of the campaign. and in 48 hours, apts gone. >> ari, is this the kind of story as a press secretary you would advise your candidate, look, just put out a statement or campaign aides put out a statement but don't necessarily come on camera and say something about it? >> this is the classic issue where he would have brought it up himself if he could have done so. this is in a speech about racial relations in america and immigration, he could have talked about insensitivity. and for example my family had a lease on land and 30 years ago
it said this. we covered that up because it was wrong. we painted that. if he had brought it out himself, it would have been very different. he didn't have time because he got in so late. he was hit with a story and now has to react to it. he will have to deal with it himself in person. that's just how the press corps operates. next time he's on the trail and reporters see him, they're going to ask him anyway. i don't think he can just say that he's handled it. but this will fade in a matter of days. this is not the stuff of major politics or something that will last long. >> did you see this as a head shot by "the washington post"? would this have been the same story -- >> yeah, you know, i did. well, it was the media research center that pointed out in two days "the washington post" has dedicated more words to this story than they did to the entire jeremiah wright issue in 2008. they never covered the virginia governor's race in "the washington post" in the front page section except for five
days. first day contained seven articles about bob mcdonnell having race issues, then in the subsequent days someone pointed out that they had issues with the confederate flag, then the story went back to the metro section. >> but here's the deal, anderson. i'm sure al gore is sitting at home how many people did stories about him creating the internet. you have people on the left, on the right, democrats and republicans who campaign about stories all the time. and so to say it's a hit job here, say fox news does this, say "the new york times" does that. the reality is when you run for president, you're going to get these kinds of stories. you deal with them up front. and then you move on. >> let's move on. erick erickson, ari fleischer, roland martin. still tonight gripping testimony in the michael jackson death trial. emergency room doctors describing the measures they took to revive michael jackson even though he was clearly dead by the time he arrived and beyond help.
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detail about the extraordinary measures they took to revive michael jackson, even though they were certain he was dead. they also described a crucial fact that dr. murray never shared with them even as he urged them to save jackson. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: in the struggle to save michael jackson, dr. conrad murray thought he felt a pulse, but emergency room doctors from ucla medical center testified they didn't feel a thing. still, they pushed ahead with efforts to revive jackson at murray's urging. >> dr. murray did ask me one thing, and he repeated the same request to dr. cruz, that we not give up easily and try to save mr. michael jackson's life. >> is that what you were trying to do? >> yes. >> reporter: emergency responders were ready to declare jackson dead at home but murray insist head be transported to the hospital. >> my assessment when he arrived was that he was clinically dead. he suss tags effort was likely
be futile. >> reporter: doctors cooper and nguyen asked murray about what drugs jackson had been given. murray never mentioned propofol even though according to the police affidavit he gave him 25 milligrams of propofol at 10:40 a.m., not long before jackson stopped breathing. >> he never mentioned propofol to you? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: dr. cooper testified friday that even if murray had told them about propofol, it would not have changed the outcome because jackson had, quote, died long before. still, prosecutors wanted to make clear to the jury how dangerous the drug is and how rarely it's used outside a hospital. >> it is not anywhere in the hospital. it is designated place with designated personnel and equipment available. by equipment, i mean a crash cart should be available. propofol could cause severe long collapse, respiratory collapse, breathing collapse, and it could
cause cardiovascular collapse. and propofol does not have an antidote. >> so you're prepared for any consequences. >> yes. it is a must. >> reporter: dr. nguyen also painted a picture for the jury of a flustered conrad murray who couldn't remember what time he called for help. >> and i asked him from the time that he found that the patient was down, what was the time that ems or the 911 was called. and he couldn't remember that either. he said he did not have any concept of time. he did not have a watch. >> reporter: the defense tried its best to show if conrad murray had given jackson only 25 milligrams of propofol, that it couldn't have killed him. a key to the defense's theory that jackson must have taken lorazepam tablets and ingested more propofol without conrad murray knowing. >> i couldn't imagine i would give a dose at 25 milligrams to an otherwise healthy male and
give it over three to five minutes because i would not expect that that would produce any level of sedation. >> reporter: employees from two cell phone companies also testified about conrad murray's cell phone records. they told the jury murray got a call at 11:07 a.m. and placed four calls himself after that. the question is, if murray gave jackson propofol at 10:40 a.m., was he monitoring him and making those calls from inside the room or had he stepped out for longer than his lawyers say he did? those call times are key in determining what conrad murray was doing in the hours before jackson died. randi kaye, cnn, los angeles. still to come, the ridiculist is up and isha is back. >> the only man convicted of blowing up a pan am jet over lockerbie, scotland, tells reuters new facts about the case will be announced in a few months. abdel basset al megrahi told the agency the truth will come out one day and hopefully in the
near future. al megrahi's comments come five weeks after cnn's own nic robertson visited him in libya where his family said he was in a coma and near dead from prostate cancer. he was released from prison in 2009 for medical reasons. here at home the minimum wage is expected to rise in eight states. next year washington workers will earn the highest minimum wage in the u.s., $9.04 an hour. engineers have resumed their inspection of the washington monument. they are rappelling down the landmark looking for damage from that magnitude 5.8 earthquake that hit in august. their work was suspended for a couple of days due to high winds. anderson, in australia, a new world record to tell you about. the largest bikini parade was held over the weekend. 357 women took part. that would have been more. four women were disqualified for being overdressed. as my mother would say, this is
what happens when people have too much time on their hands. >> overdressed? how do you overdress to a bikini competition? i don't understand. >> you know, i'm going to let you use your imagination. i have no idea. >> interesting. >> to be investigated. >> to be investigated. so do you call them bikinis, in england. >> i do. i would say mummy, but i was scared of you mocking me again. >> oh, shed-yule. in related news hooter's files a lawsuit that gets them on the ridiculist. not about the recipe for chicken wings.
time for the ridiculist. tonight we're adding a lawsuit that hooters has for allegedly stealing its trade secrets. that's right, hooters has trade secrets. i know what you're thinking. what's so secret about the hooters business model? they kind of put everything right out there, don't they? the kind of pantyhose that a server should wear with orange short shorts or how to scrub out a stain from a tank top that's already stretched beyond its limits. but the company says it's so much more. in the lawsuit one of the former vice presidents downloaded a bunch of documents from everything of management or recruiting all before he left to work for -- wait for it -- twin peaks. a restaurant chain where the motto is eat, drink, scenic views.
look at the place, totally different from hooters. an authentic mountain lodge where the aw then tis of the mountain lodge atmosphere is, well, it's very authentic. just ask the owner. >> it's an authentic mountain lodge. and you know, we feel like every guy deserves to relax in an authentic mountain lodge, drink 29 degree draft beer and be catered to by a beautiful lumber-jill. >> scoff if you will, but come on, 29 degrees? that is a cold beer. apparently beer temperature is a corner stone of the mammary themed restaurant game. check this out from the first ever hooters commercial. >> do you know why our beer's so cold here at hooters? because we keep it in the refrigerator. hey, kids, want to do your dad a really big favor? tell your mom you want to go to hooters. >> that's right, kids, do dad a favor, tell your mom you want to go to hooters.
fun for the whole family from 1983 when the first hooters opened. now they're firmly planted in 28 different countries. they're that big. there's more than 430 of them. the world is riddled with hootder. twin peaks does plan to enlarge. every time i say twin peak, i think of david lynch's tv show from the early '90s. >> this cherry pie is a miracle. >> would you please ask the lady with the log to speak up. >> would you like some pie? >> massive, massive quantities, and a glass of water, sweetheart. my socks are on fire. >> see, now the double r diner, that was a cool restaurant. as far as the hooters and twin peaks rivalry, coke versus pepsi, ford verse ow chevy. dynasty giants all coexisting. is there not room for two in the bra-centric food business?