tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 8, 2011 11:00pm-12:00am PST
dr. drew, if i may call you drew, if you have courtney on again, can you please, please in the name of all that is holy, do some kind of test on her face to find out what that is all about? in any case, dr. drew, thank you for the memories and for fighting the good fight on the ridiculist. that's it for us. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. we're in the front line with s.e.a.l. team 6, the most elite team in the world's most elite fighting force, they killed osama bin laden. an ex-s.e.a.l. team 6 member comes out front. and then -- is this on? oh, yeah. we can't resist telling you about the conversation french president nicolas sarkozy and barack obama didn't want you to hear. and the bottom line on herman cain. he's fighting back big time against new accusations of sexual harassment. his campaign comes "outfront." let's go.
i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, herman cain, the gop frontrunner fighting back against allegations of sexual harassment. >> i absolutely reject. they simply didn't happen. they simply did not happen. >> four women have now accused the gop candidate of inappropriate behavior and we now know the identity of two. just hours ago, we learned more about another accuser, her name is karen kraushaar, director of communications at the treasury department and according to a friend, she called cain a quote/unquote monster. this is the woman whose lawyer told the nation on friday that his client did not want to identify herself and did not want to divulge any details about the alleged encounter. but obviously, she is saying now that she would do so, perhaps with other people in a press conference. niger ennis is an unofficial adviser to herman cain's campaign.
appreciate you taking the time to come out and talk about this tonight. i just want to ask you this, have you at the campaign had the conversation middle of the night, everyone's eyes are bloodshot where you say, herman, have you put everything on the table? have you told us everything absolutely everything, kind of a come to jesus moment? >> i've not had that conversation with herman. i'm certain that others within the campaign have had that conversation with him, probably before the campaign even got kicked off. but i think what a wonderful moment. it's strange to say this on a day like today, but i'm very proud to be an american. here you have an african-american man from the south, the grandson -- grew up in segregation, the grandson or great grandson of slaves, being accused of not sexual harassment, he's accused of sexual molestation.
he's accused of assault or at least it's right on the border of assault. and it's only a few decades ago that in many parts of the south, a black man that is accused of something like that would be tried in the streets and be convicted on a tree. and nevertheless, today he was defended quite articulately by mr. linn, i believe his name is, a prominent southern white southern attorney. that imagery was a powerful imagery and that imagery is the imagery of the unification that herman cain brings this campaign. and i must tell that you there are a lot of folk within the elite, conservatives and liberals, that are terrified of that image in this campaign. >> let me ask you this, though, because when you talk about the image of hanging of the tree, that's an incredibly upsetting
image to a lot of people are you are you going so far as to say this truly is that racially motivated? >> i will say this, look. first of all, erin, you probably know my history and my father's history. we don't play the race card. that's not our game. we tend to take the race card off the table when it is unfairly used. but having said that, we have to be a fool to deny 200 years of history in our country. and one of the most powerful stereotypes that unfortunately this whole situation conjures up is the stereotype of a black-skinned black man being overly sexed and sexually going after or having some sexual hunger for a white woman. now, what i think is interesting, though, is that mr. cain's character assassins and that's what i call them, including ms. bialek, the assassins underestimate the
decency of the american people. they don't realize that what i saw on that stage today is a symbol of america turning the page largely on the question of race within our country. >> i hear you on that point. and i think that's one of the reasons people applaud the herman cain campaign in terms of his becoming a candidate at all. but when you say that we can't get beyond the whole issue of a black male and white woman, is it perhaps that these women coming forward in this modern time proof that we are beyond that, that this isn't about the hypersexualized black male, it's about a woman telling her side of the story and a mantling his and that it isn't about race at all? because it doesn't sound like you're making it about race. >> well, what i am saying is this. i'm saying the way that the media is treating this case, there is a hypocrisy and double standard for conservatives, vis-a-vis bill clinton, who had a variety of alleged charges of not making people feel uncomfortable, but things such
as rape. and john edwards, the whole john edwards issue had to be broken not by the establishment mainstream media, but by the "national enquirer." so there certainly is a double standard and there is a scrutiny that i would argue that black conservatives like justice thomas, like herman cain, are under that others are not under. there's no question that the type of rallying that the black liberal establishment, the race mongers that tend to defense all types of individuals including criminals, that they did not rally to herman cain's defense. there's hypocrisy there. there is a willingness for certain liberals on another network to cast dispersions at herman cain at his intelligence. this idiot bashir saying he doesn't know how to spell iraq.
these kinds of things are hypocritical. >> and i don't know what you're referring to there at all. but i do want to say there was >> your viewers do though. >> the john edwards point is interesting and you have a point about how that happened. but you've known herman cain for just a few years. how do you know that this didn't happen? how can you come on so dramatically here and defend him when by at least the information i have, you didn't know him well at the time these allegations happened? >> that's fair. i've known of herman cain and met him over a ten year period. but i've only personally gotten to know him for over the last few years. and you're right, there is no question you were not there, i was not there, 99.999% of all americans or people on the planet don't know exactly what occurred will. so we can only look at what it before us and make our judgment. and if you look at ms. bial event k's press conference and you look at her weird and bizarre behavior of not only her, but of gloria allred, and i know gloria, i like gloria personally, but she's the poster --
>> do you? >> i like personally. i don't like the way she pursues her profession. i think she's the poster child for why we need dramatic radical tort reform and things like loser pays in these tort cases. but, no, i know her personally. but i also know her game. and i don't like her game. but doing an analysis of ms. bialek's statement and how she made her statement and gloria allred saying this is a stimulus package and -- >> i agree, i thought that was distasteful. >> and then bialek saying she went home to her boyfriend, but she didn't tell him they details. >> i also thought that was unusual that she would have shared with someone. but then i started thinking about experiences i've had or women i know have had and sexual harassment at work parties, it's
common, women often do feel guilty or awkward in, a sense it's sort of like how the race issue is for you, which is it's there but not there. for a lot of women i think the sexism issue is there but not there. is that something you can understand? >> i can definitely understand it and more than understand it, i empathize with it. and what i say, and i want to be consistent here, the way that i address those who put the race card on the issue unfairly and how it undermines legitimate cases and examples of racism, how it undermines and disrespects those ancestors of ours that truly had to overcome racism, say that for sexual harassment, as well. when you have a fraudulent charge, and let me say i believe these are fraudulent charges. if i was herman, i'll talk to herman later tonight, i'm going to suggest that he sue her for defamation of his character.
i think she's a fake and fraud. but if she is a fake, it does a terrible disservice to real victims of sexual harassment, it does a terrible disservice to women out there that really are victims. >> i would agree. and if tends up being true, i know that hopefully you will come on and amend some of your statements. >> you better believe it. >> thank you for your frank interview. coming up, we'll bring in penny and jamal to talk about what we just heard. penny had a comment on mr. cain today and sylvio berlusconi, a journalist who has followed the story comes "outfront," this is a big story for the world. and you may not realize it, but it is election day today. some very big referendums on women's rights and unions.
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interesting interview with the adviser to herman cain. let's bring in president of the conservative group concerned women for america and jamal simmons. penny, what did you think of what nyjer had to say? >> i think he did a good job to express his opinion, but i wanted to say that concerned women for america was very clear in 1996 during the bill clinton scandal when he was having sex with a 21-year-old intern that character counts. and we've got to be consistent today again delivering that message. character counts. we want to hear all the facts and this is an important conversation to have. now we're at four women. if they're lying, like your earlier guest said, then i agree. i think herman cain should sue them and we'll see what comes out on discovery. i think that we need to get to the bottom of this. the country needs a strong leader that doesn't just have business acumen, but also has a good moral compass and good judgment. >> jamal, what do you think about this whole race issue? do you think it is an issue here, or do you think that's unfair?
>> you know, i like nyjer. but i think his statements were just ridiculous. to try to argue that this is a moment of some great racial progress is baffling to me. at the same time, the idea by the herman cain camp or any of the people affiliated with him that they want to inject race into this conversation, when herman cain himself said racism in this country today doesn't hold anybody back in a big way, that was herman cain's position. so for him to now be in a tough spot and to claim that race is the issue, those who are aligned with him, they should take cain's position on this. so we could argue there are issues about age and what's
appropriate in the workplace, there are issues about gender politics at play here. all sorts of things. but race just does not seem to be one of them for me. >> it was interesting how he brought in the whole issue of what he said the hyper sexualized black male, the issue in american history, which it is something interesting to think about. penny, do you think there's anything at all to that? it seems like it's all of a sudden to bring it on the table as opposed to saying it all the way along. >> i don't know how african americans feel about this, but i do know and i do believe that socially conservative african-americans and women conservatives have a harder time via the mainstream media than others. but it doesn't mean we get to make it easy for them. it doesn't mean that our character doesn't get questions just like everyone else. and when we make a mistake, we
have to talk about it. the other point i wanted for say, i'm not sure -- i don't believe it's fair to equate justice thomas' situation with herman cain's situation. let's remember there was only one anita hill and anita hill had followed justice thomas for years from job to job to job and then decided years later maybe there's some similarity there to file a complaint. but that's where it ends. i just don't believe that these are -- i don't believe these are the same situation and i think it's very disrespectful to justice thomas to equate the two. >> thanks very much. we appreciate both of your taking the time and weighing in on this. stla split decision in bat ground ohio, a presidential race coming up, always watching that state very closely. let's start with where the
democrats won tonight, the unions came out in force against a new law by the governor up there the republican governor that limits collective bargaining rights for government workers as unions up there, they spent a lot of money and a lot of effort and they produced a resounding no which will overturn the governor's vote, we are projecting a big win for the democrats up there. but at the same time, something republicans may be celebrating, there was a health care vote. this is largely symbolic, we don't think this can actually change anything, but ohio voters, the same ones who approved this other measure, also said that they want to opt-out of the health care reform plan approved by the obama administration. so, republicans are looking at this and saying, ohio can be with us. democrats are looking at the other one and saying maybe ohio can be with us. it really is a split decision in a state that is so important as we move closer to the presidential vote. some of the other things that we projected clear winners on,
kentucky, steve beshear won re-election as the governor, pretty handily, as we can tell. another encouraging sign for democrats but the truth is a lot of races all over the country now the simple fact this gentleman won where he did may be an encourage n one place but an awful loft races, an awful loft initiatives looked at tonight in different places. all night long, people will be chopping up the numbers fry trying figure out whether democrats had an advantage, republican also an advantage or if it all fell somewhere in the middle. >> thanks, tom. as you've said, one of the early indications we have is a split decision in ohio but this is a ballot initiative with national implications for 2012. the union-backed forces have succeeded in rolling back john
kasich's signature to reform collective bargaining by a decisive margin, 65% of voters turning out to overturn that republican-led piece of legislation. but crucially, on the other hand, a similar margin of ohioans also voting to give who hot power to opt-out of president obama's signature health care reform. so this is a very much a split decision. but let's take a look at the amount of money and effort piled into this. union forces spent over $30 million in an attempt to repeal this republican-led legislation to reform collective bargaining. comparatively, only $10 million was spent on the opposite side. this really show in today's old environment, tip o'neil's axiom, all politics is local has been turned on its head, all local politics is now national. kentucky, democratic incumbent steve beshear reelected. people don't think of kentucky, home of mitch mcconnell and rand paul, have a democratic governor, overwhelming victory for steve beshear. the big open question is mississippi, the personhood amendment.
we are still waiting for final numbers to come in looks likely that the republican lieutenant governor will succeed the incumbent, haley barbour, but the big question that personhood amendment with national implications here. if it were to pass, this provision would set up a challenge to the supreme court, bringing roe v. wade up to question. the second thing it would create at least the possibility of an immediate ban on all abortionses in the state of mississippi with implications as far reaching for birth control for the morning after pill and ivf. significant at stake. back to you you erin. >> thanks, john. out front ahead, s.e.a.l. team 6, the force that took out bin laden, a former member of the team comes out front. students rallies at joe paterno's home supporting him amid growing calls for him to resign. and french president sarkozy said something he didn't mean to.
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now a story we can't resist. a private conversation at the g-20 summit between president obama and french president nicolas sarkozy was overheard by a group of journalists when the two leaders didn't realize their mikes were still on. according to the journalist who heard it, the conversation went like this.
sarkozy. i cannot bear netanyahu. he's a liar. obama, you're fed up with him, but i have to deal with him even more often than you. okay. the part we can't resist is that they actually thought this conversation would be private. if you are the president of a country, any country, the microphone is always so just because people hope they can, well, hear you saying things like that. don't believe us some here's a look back at some of our favorite political open mike moments. >> i'm pleased to tell you today that legislation that will outlaw russia forever, we begin bombing in five minutes. >> so stick it up your -- >> why would he do that? >> he's a jackass. >> janet has no family. perfect.
>> see, barack been talking down to black people [ bleep ]. >> this is a big [ bleep ] deal. >> yes, saw barbara boxer briefly on television this morning and said what everyone says, god, what is that hair? so yesterday. you didn't -- >> yeah, we heard you, carly, we just couldn't resist. still "outfront" -- the "outfront" five. >> this is not a case about football. >> penn state's sex scandal. >> it's a case about children who have had their innocence stolen from them. the devil and the details. >> the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden. spy on spy.
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>> he's accused of sexual molestation. he's accused of assault, or at least it's right on the border of assault. and it's only a few decades ago that in many parts of the south a black man accused of something like that would be tried in the streets and be convicted on a tree. >> he said the fact that cain was able to defend himself today shows progress. he also said he'll talk to cain tonight and suggest that he sue his accuser for defamation. number two, iran has mastered nuclear weapon capabilities, acts according to a report released today. it does not say how close iran is to having a nuclear bomb. israel has threatened to attack iran based on the findings in this report. an expert who writes about nuclear arms told us an israeli attack might only drive the development further underground.
number three, an investigation found gross mismanagement at the dover airport. some remains of u.s. troops were lost, in other cases remains were shipped in cardboard boxes. the majority of those killed in afghanistan and iraq returned through the air force base. number four, one of the most highly anticipated video games of the year modern warfare 3 went on sale today. our friends in pakistan got to love that. video game analysts said they expect as many as 20 million copies to be sold by the end of the year. that means the game has the potential of breaking an entertainment industry record. it's going up against another first person war game, battlefield 3. i'm familiar with none of them. it's been 95 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. we need to do more to get it back. in the days after 9/11, president george w. bush made osama bin laden one of the most wanted men in the world.
>> i want justice. and there's an old poster out west, as i recall, that said wanted dead or alive. >> nearly ten years later, his capture was the culmination of one of the most intense manhunts in american history. >> i can report to the american people and the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the leader of al qaeda and a terrorist who is responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children. >> the man who carried out the mission were known as s.e.a.l. team 6, the world's most elite fighting force. chuck farr is a former member and says he spoke to the men who took out osama that night. he's "outfront" tonight with their story in a new book out today called s.e.a.l. target geronimo. wonderful to see you and i appreciate you taking the time. you came out with this book,
you've talked to the s.e.a.l.s. they're not supposed to talk. today colonel tim nye, public affairs officer of u.s. special command, said this book is a fabrication, you being he, describes events that are factually incorrect. the obama administration is taking on you on this. >> good for them. >> did you make anything up? >> you know, my sources are boots on the ground and people who weren't on the ground but know what happened. and if it's a compare story situation, which administration story am i supposed to believe? the 45-minute firefight? the crashed helicopter? my sources were the guys there and doing it. >> the 45-minute firefight was the official story the american people were told the day after. you're saying it was 90 seconds, which is amazing. and there are other differences. and you say the men came in from the roof rather than the ground. but the differences as i see them are not enough to show some massive government conspiracy to cover up. >> i don't think it's a coverup.
i think what happened is after the operation, the president made his statement and it should have ended there. whether or not it was appropriate for national security reasons to come out and admit the operation, that's another thing. he made a statement, that was great and it should have ended there. but the information started to leak from politicians of every stripe who were happy to put forward everything they knew, which was fragmentary and incomplete and incorrect. >> so how many did you talk to who were there? >> digging into this, i had to deconflict stories of guys on the ground. i had to deconflict stories being fed to me that just weren't making any sense. for example, the insertion helicopter crashes on insertion. we plan for something like that. you ground fire, that could happen. what would happen in that case though, why wouldn't the second helicopter land on the principal piece of real estate at the top of the building? why would it divert outside a 20-foot wall and put the guys out?
that was one of the first alarm bells that went off in my head. totally wrong. so i think what happened is the administration lost control of this story, then clamped down on it, leaving these half-facts out there and they metastasized into this story of a ground-up assault where a man was shot in his bedroom after 45-minute operation. that's not what happened. >> and as you say from what you know from the s.e.a.l.s, it took 90 seconds. you talk about two s.e.a.l.s going into osama bin laden's bedroom. he reached for his weapon, they shot him immediately. how did they feel when they did that? what did they tell you? >> i don't think feeling really had much to do with it. these guys go in -- when they go in, they are just on in the moment, in the second. they have to be because that's what it takes to survive in these situations. the 90 seconds that i've computed this operation took and from what my information is,
that's more in keeping to what a s.e.a.l. team 6 operation is. you hit them hard and fast and it's over before they can react. >> the stealth hawk was the helicopter used. systems went down a million to one chance. >> absolutely. >> they tried to destroy most of it. but you report in here, and i wanted to ask you about this because this is really important, that the pakistanis were so mad that they auctioned off the remains to the chinese so that they could see the technology and then let the iranians and north koreans see it. >> absolutely. just in a little victory lap. they were so incensed by this operation. the tail rudder was left. that itself is a one in a million chance that that didn't get vaporized. they showed it off, they allowed material samples to be taken, measurements. they did everything they could to promulgate the technology. >> well, that is a terrible thing. thank you very much, appreciate your coming in. a fascinating book. reads like the thriller novel that it is. i guess we all wish in another life we were a s.e.a.l. thanks again.
>> my pleasure. thank you. after a crucial vote, italian prime minister berlusconi said he'll step down after italy's next budget is approved. we'll see. but berlusconi's resignation is making headlines around the world. and we've taken a few shots at berlusconi here, as you know, we he have fun with him, but in the face of a serious issue, the crushing debt of italy that could bring down europe, a growing number of italian officials have called for the billionaire to resign. one person who saw it all coming states her case in this week's "time" magazine online. i asked her just how bad it is. >> they are worse than what you ever think because this guy was elected three times when he was last elected 2006, the testify sit and the debt was 106% of the gdp. today, after four years and a half of his government, it's 120% of the gdp.
and the worst in this is that the economy is not going to get better. and he's not doing anything. he lost any kind of credibility, he's not doing anything. >> does it matter who runs the country and do you take this offer to resign seriously? >> he promised to resign. he didn't say he would resign. what he will try to do in the next 20 days to approve the package of austerity measures and then try to orchestration who will govern after him. what he's trying to do is negotiate and put one of his friends to govern on his behalf. so he would be manipulating him from behind. >> so a change of name, but not a change of policy. >> this is what he wants, but is that what the parliament wants? i don't think so. i think berlusconi's era is over. >> so italian sentiment. he said i'll step aside if that means saving the euro. this whole issue is a matter of debate, but what do the italians think,? do they want to stay in the eu?
>> they want to stay because if they step out, the country will collapse. they know that. they know inside the euro, somebody will bail them out. as soon as berlusconi announced three days ago that he might go away, the stock market in milan went up. then he said i'm not sure and it went down. that means that we're too sensitive to berlusconi. even the markets are wishing for him to go away. usually the markets react negatively to any government change. not in this case. everybody's fed up and they don't trust him, they don't love him, but they want him gone. >> thank you so much. appreciate your taking the time to come in. >> thank you for having me. thailand, the floods there, the worst this 50 years. it's not getting better. and the former friend and co-author of jerry sandusky's life story is "outfront." and she helped catch one of
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there is no relief in sight. cnn traveled with thailand's prime minister to some of the hardest hit areas and what did you see? >> reporter: what we saw is that the flood disaster still continues for thailand. we traveled to the northern industrial zone where the damage has been very heavy on business, damage that has rippled throughout the global economy because many multinational companies are dependent on parts that come from thailand. as thailand tries to drain the floodwaters from these areas, they must course south and they're headed toward the country's capital. >> thank you very much. and now to atlanta where cnn's jacqui jeras is watching the approach of vesta. it's an asteroid hurdling towards earth. should we be worried? >> no, it's sort of like getting an inside pitch in baseball,
where it's a little too close for comfort, but it won't hit you directly. it won't hit the earth or the moon, but it will get within about 200,000 miles away and that will give scientists a really good chance to observe it with their radar telescopes. can you observe it? unfortunately, probably not. at least not with the naked eye. you have to have a really good telescope. best chance is in the northern atmosphere as this will head up over the north over the top of the earth and the moon. >> glad we're safe. three days after a sex scandal rocked the campus of penn state, happy valley continues to be unpleasant. rumors are swirling that joe paterno may be forced to step down after 46 years as the university canceled his weekly press conference this morning. >> you guys have a lot of good questions and i'd like to answer them, but i can't do it now. >> jerry sandusky was arrested saturday and charged with seven counts of rape.
the grad student told paterno about an incident he witnessed in 2002. coach paterno reported it to his boss, nothing happened, and pressure now continues to mount on everyone involved. kip company authored the book touched the jerry sandusky story in 2001 and he's "outfront" with us tonight. we really appreciate your taking the time to come out. you met him in 1978. you've known him obviously a long time. and you helped write his life story. how would you describe the man you knew? >> i've known jerry for a long time, as you said. and jerry was a very friendly person toward all of us involved in football. he was the kind of person that the players that he coached and the managers that worked with him were all -- they just loved him. he was a very good person to us. he knew football, and he knows football inside and out. but he knows how to -- at the time, you know, he knew how to build good character and everything for us. and taught us a lot. i just always looked up to him as a very nice, good person. >> there were allegations that he abused bills into he met through his charity. did you ever see him interacting with young boys at all, whether you saw it in a sinister way or normal way? >> i have seen him with kids from second mile over the years,
back in the '80s and early '90s just seeing them in general, but nothing in the terms that you're asking about. that wanted to give these kids a chance to have a prosperous life and a chance at having a prosperous life. many, many of these kids came from families with single parent or parents that didn't care in the world about them. and he took them on, and that's what the second mile was about. but nothing that i see in the allegations and such. >> fits with that. when he called you in march, that's when the allegation first surfaced. what did cia agent comes out to talk about her redemption, about getting her citizenship taken away from her. it's like a movie. a girl moves to america from >> there were allegations that he abused bills into he met through his charity. did you ever see him interacting with young boys at all, whether you saw it in a sinister way or normal way? >> i have seen him with kids from second mile over the years, back in the '80s and early '90s just seeing them in general, but nothing in the terms that you're asking about. i always saw him as being a guy that wanted to give these kids a chance to have a prosperous life and a chance at having a prosperous life. many, many of these kids came from families with single parent or parents that didn't care in the world about them.
and he took them on, and that's what the second mile was about. but nothing that i see in the allegations and such. >> fits with that. when he called you in march, that's when the allegation first surfaced. what did he say to you then? >> he said really was he wanted to apologize to me for things that i might read and hear. and i did already hear things or, you know, the news and read the things. i just told him that he's my friend and i support him, and i didn't know of else to say at the time because it was such a shocker. and then the things that are going on now are even more of a shocker. but at that time i told him i support him as a friend and that i don't know -- i can't be a
judge to him. i can only support him in that fashion. and that was basically it. >> right. what would happen if at this point, it turns out that all of this is true, that it is proven to be so, this is a man you've known for a long time, you're speaking highly of him. what do you do as a human being? do you say this guy is still a friend or are you just utterly disgusted? >> well, i certainly don't condone actions like that. i feel for kids like that. i coach youth baseball. so i certainly feel for kids in that and i wouldn't want to see this happen to anybody, but it's a very fine line because i don't know how i would take it. i would try to support him as a friend and wish him -- he could get if that was the case. >> kip, thank you -- >> i would let it play out in the courts is all i can say at the moment. it just has to play out in the courts. >> thank you very much for coming on and sharing your thoughts with us.
we appreciate it, kip. >> okay, erin, thank you very much. still "outfront," a former cia agent comes out to talk about her redemption, about getting her citizenship taken away from her. improves skin's health in one day, with significant improvement in 2 weeks. i found a moisturizer for life. [ female announcer ] only from aveeno.
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and she joins us now. it's so great to see you. it does read like a movie. but let's start from the beginning. you came to the united states from lebanon with your family when you were a teenager. >> correct. >> how did you feel then about coming to the u.s.? were you happy, looking forward to it? >> the u.s. was a strange land for me. i was excited to come here because i heard all with the freedom, i've heard about the democracy. >> so you come and you get this dream. it's not like you just came and said, okay, i'm going to buy a house and have a car. you came and said, i want to go into the cia. how in the world did you have
that goal and get there? >> well, initially when i first came here, i wanted to get my education with the idea of going back to lebanon perhaps living with that education and having a better life than the life that i had. and after staying in the states, i fell in love with the country. and it was very easy to fall in love with this country, the greatest nation on the planet. and after that, i wanted to give back to the country that took me in, my adopted country, and i wanted to serve. so i initially applied for the fbi and i worked with them for a while and worked a lot with the cia overseas and then transferred to the cia. >> and you worked in a lot of cases there. i want to ask you that.
the uss cole in yemen. let me ask you where thins went really wrong for you. one thing that you did do, right, was pay an american man to get married because you wanted citizenship? >> well, what i did is i wanted to pay an american man to help me reduce my tuition. and that was my problem at the time. and i wasn't aware of my other option, the political asylum given the war in lebanon. i was eligible to apply for political asylum, but i wasn't aware of that option. >> and that was one thing that came as part of this whole situation when you were accused of using an fbi computer illegally. huh a brother-in-law who prosecutors say was a sympathizer of what the u.s. believes was a terrorist group hezbollah