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>> on everybody's part. pretty dumb on everybody's part. or not. the police did go to the guy's house and ended up arresting him on misdemeanor charges. he's due in court tomorrow. let's hope his car starts or else he might call the fbi a bunch of times. that is, if he ever got his iphone working. that is it for us. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. we're on the front line at penn state with reports more alleged victims are about to come forward. the super committee, by the way, running out of time to reach a deal. will democrats and republicans get done? a homeless man turned billionaire "outfront" tonight. the bottom line on occupy wall street's day of action, 177
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protesters arrested according to an e-mail from "outfront" from the nypd moments ago. seven officers injured and what the mayor has to say about it. the mayor has to say about it. let's go "outfront." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm erin burnett "outfront" tonight. the brooklyn bridge is occupied. occupy wall street day of action culminating at one of new york's most iconic locations. you can see it now. people walking across. this is the pedestrian area, which is important to emphasize. doesn't look like there's any disruption of traffic at this time. it all started at 7:00 this morning when protesters descended on the new york stock exchange in an attempt to, quote, shut down wall street. now, in zuccotti park, the original campground, demonstrators clashed with police. they pulled down barricades that were there to block them from entering the area. hundreds of protesters have been arrested. nypd saying 177, at least 7 officers have been injured according to the police. mayor bloomberg talked about those injuries earlier today at a press conference. >> someone in the crowd threw a
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star-shaped glass object at the officer. another officer -- another protester threw a liquid, possibly vinegar, in the face of another officer. >> well, the mayor did note that at most points, demonstrations had been peaceful. mary snow is there. we just showed everyone a live picture. people looking like they're in the pedestrian area and staying there as opposed to disrupting traffic. what can you tell us you're seeing? >> reporter: erin, it's been fairly peaceful. we're at the foot of the brooklyn bridge. i apologize for my voice. it's been a long day out here covering these protests. for about the past 45 minutes or so, protesters have been streaming out to the bridge. police have been telling them to stay on the pedestrian walkway. and as long as they stay on that pedestrian walkway, then they're being told they will not be arrested. now, before this march started, there was a symbolic 99 people arrested.
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this for the 99%. it was civil disobedience. we saw a number of people arrested. it was very calm. and it's hard to say just how many people have shown out here tonight. but clearly, it appears to be in the thousands. and this is the biggest march of this action all day today. there have been a number of protests throughout the day. >> all right. well, mary, thank you very much. i think -- to emphasize with all of you out there, with mary losing her voice, it has been a crazy day. it may seem calm from some of those aerial shots but it's been a crazy day and she's had to yell to be heard much of the day. now the police commissioner. good to have you with us. we appreciate you taking the time. what's your sense of how things have gone so far today? it was an important day, the two-month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement. that's why they had planned to do this. what would be your takeaway for how it's been handled? >> i think the nypd handled it
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as well as could be expected. the fact that seven police officers were injured is regrettable. you always have some people in these protests who do not obey the law. who want to make trouble. and i think based on the numbers i'd say it was a pretty good day for the nypd. >> what do you think will happen tonight? obviously, there's a key thing just to explain to everyone out here. we'll talk about the legality of it in a moment. as to whether they stay in the pedestrian area versus trying to stop traffic. two very different things when it comes potentially to first amendment rights, mr. safir. so what's your sense if they stay on the pathway, i would presume you would think this would remain peaceful? >> i would think so. the first amendment gives you the right to protest and say anything you want to say. but it does not give you the right to impinge on other people's rights. as long as they stay in the pedestrian walkway and do not
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block traffic, i think it's going to be fine. >> and what's your sense? i mean, the nypd, the biggest police force in the nation, and you've taken a look at how other cities around the country have handled the occupy wall street and compared to the nypd, who's got it right, who's gotten it wrong? >> well, i think, you know, clearly i'm not going to criticize other police departments but clearly chicago got it right. gary mccarthy, who i know for a long time, made sure that the protesters did not camp in the park. i think the nypd did a good job. i personally would have liked to have seen the tents evicted a little earlier. i think oakland unfortunately got it wrong. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you joining us tonight. howard safir was the commissioner for the new york police department from 1996 till 2000. let's bring in jeffrey toobin and john avlon, cnn contributor. john, let me start with you. you live near the original encampment. no longer an encampment. you've been back and forth down there the past couple of days.
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>> the day of the eviction -- they really hunkered down with a pretty organized tent city. the next day, taken out. it's become a park again. the court order has said they're not allowed to bring back tents and sleeping bags. that's a challenge for the occupy movement in new york particularly. to ask themselves what's next. are they going to evolve and become a constructive political force or become a destructive political force which will lead to their declining poll numbers. the fact they're using the pedestrian bridge, that's a constructive step, as opposed to blocking traffic just to get a short-term headline. >> let me ask you, jeff toobin, because what are their rights? where does it come -- where is there a life if there is legally where you are allowed to protest and exercise your first amendment rights and then you're not allowed to because you're disrupting commerce? earlier today, obviously, there was some -- from some about disrupting traffic and shutting down entrances to businesses. >> as so often in the law, it's
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not a very clear line, but the general outlines of the rules have been established for many, many years. the government is allowed to make what are called "time, place and manner" restrictions on exercises of the first amendment rights. they can say, you know, this has to end at 1:00 in the morning. it says, you can't go in the street. you can't go in somebody's lawn. you can't have a bullhorn in a residential neighborhood. those are all well-established restrictions. but you can't have so many restrictions that it amounts to preventing people from exercising their first amendment rights. it sounds like, you know, the bridge protest is an example of one where everybody is on good ground. you have people protesting by the thousands. but they're not disrupting people's train home or car rides home. so, you know, it seems to be -- as commissioner safir said, a
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pretty good day in terms of how it unfolded. >> bullhorns, obviously, in this case, people talked about things like the drum circles which have been a significant part of this and noise disruption in the neighborhood. let me ask you, john avlon, you've been down there a lot. you've seen some of their brochures and things. >> if you read occupy the machine or any of the basic anarchist guides, you do get a sense of the professional protester element in this. they've got an agenda way beyond income and equality. some lines talk about 500 years of genocide -- >> taking land from the american indians. >> yes. that's not a useful argument to make. here's what the tea party did quickly. take a populist political movement. that's been one of the interesting challenges going forward for occupy. even liberal allies like portland mayor says, i sympathize with your goals. what issues are they going to take? continue talking about income equality? great. what to do about it? are you going to talk about cronycapitalism? great.
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then what specific plans do you want to put forward? >> right, laws you want to change. allowing the banks to be as big as they were. very specific things you could put on the table. >> absolutely. things in the news. take on the crony capitalism. lobby for reform. congressman doing insider trading. there are specific rules that you can say, look, here are specific areas. get those passed into law. >> thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate it. i just want to update the numbers coming in. the nypd now saying there have been 276 protesters arrested. obviously, we had earlier told you 177, so takes them a while to get those numbers and aggregate them but we'll continue to keep you updated on that and exactly how this protest goes on. "outfront" next, a lot of people have picked mitt romney as the inevitable gop nominee but the latest poll out of iowa has four candidates in a dead heat. and the man who allegedly shot at the white house. we told you about him yesterday. but he's charged today with trying to assassinate the president. and those bullets, yes, did hit the white house. and then san diego,
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the number tonight. zero. that's how many songs the columbia university marching band will be playing at saturday's football game. it's also how many wins the football team has had this year. so the band was banned. the band was banned from the game after it mocked the players following a 62-41 loss to cornell. by changing words to the school fight song from roar, roar, to we always lose, lose, lose, sung as the team left the field. according to the columbia spectator, band members have now banned those lyrics and are planning to attend the game and cheer from the bleachers. that's team spirit and a positive attitude. if you haven't won a game, do you really need your band to be so nasty? in politics, speaking of nasty things, let's talk about politics. we're going to focus in on iowa. with seven weeks to go, the gop field is in chaos. take a look at the latest state poll.
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four candidates in a statistical dead heat. the man almost everyone thinks is the inevitable nominee, mitt romney, hasn't even decided if he should seriously contest the state. iowa's influential governor, terry branstad is criticizing romney. saying, quote, i think he's making a big mistake. quote, iowans don't like being ignored. so why isn't mitt romney fighting for iowa? this is a former rnc spokesman. maria cardona is a cnn contributor and democratic strategist. doug, mitt romney's strategy has been to play down iowa, win big in new hampshire. he's in a four-way dead heat. and iowa's upset at him. if he went in and gave a little bit of love, couldn't he lock it up? >> i think he'll do really well. also key supporters and a real organization where other campaigns don't. in iowa, obviously, it's a
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caucus state and primaries people vote to make their voices heard. in caucus, people show up to make their presence felt. that's where organization can come in play. mitt romney doesn't have to necessarily decide to do all or nothing at all, but even if he plays just a little bit, he can possibly win but certainly come in second place. >> doesn't he need to come in at least in second place to really solidify his role as the nominee if that's what he's going to be? >> yeah, i absolutely think that's the case. i think that terry branstad is absolutely right if he comes in fourth. even if he comes in third, it's going to be detrimental to his campaign and the momentum he wants to build at the very beginning. i think the problem with romney in iowa is the problem that has dogged romney from the very beginning with conservative voters because everybody knows that in iowa, it's conservative mostly evangelical voters who have a real say in who the nominee is. clearly, no love lost between romney and evangelical
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conservative voters. it's why he's not going to put all of his eggs in the iowa basket right now. >> you know what would be neat if we changed it up so every year, every election year a different state got to go first. so iowa didn't always get to be -- that would be really neat. that's for another day. >> erin. >> yeah. >> with iowa, if we're having this conversation four years ago, we're talking about hillary clinton as the inevitable nominee and whether or not john edwards or barack obama can do anything. that's why we don't count votes before they're made. >> fair point. want to turn to the president. he's in asia now. a hot topic for republican candidates this week has been the president's remarks in hawaii during a business summit. here's what he said. >> we've been a little bit lazy i think over the last couple of decades. >> okay. so now some republicans wasted
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no time pouncing on that. they put some ads together calling the president's words an insult. take a look at perry. we'll show you the perry ad. >> that's what our president thinks wrong with america, that americans are lazy? that's pathetic. >> okay, now let me just -- let's get some facts in here. the president wasn't really talking about american workers. he was talking about, well, that we haven't worked hard enough to sell america as a great place to invest. here's the full soundbite of what the president said. >> a lot of things that make foreign investors see the u.s. as a great opportunity are stability, our openness, our innovative free market culture. but, you know, we've been a little bit lazy i think over the last couple decades. we've kind of taken for granted, well, people will want to come here. and we aren't out there hungry, selling america. >> it's a little bit different, isn't it, maria? >> it's very different. i think what you're seeing is these are two candidates who are
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being very disingenuous on a comment clearly taken out of context. many news organizations have already said this is not -- this is not fair what they're doing, but then again, you know, what can you expect from two candidates, one who can't even remember the three cabinet departments that he was going to eliminate, and another one who's done a 180 flip-flop on every major issue facing american politics today. and if you look at the truth of it, the president is the one who says, time and again, over and over, that in america, we have the most productive and hard-working workforce in the world. >> okay. doug, he has said before, though, that -- this summer at one point i recall him saying america can be number one again. even though we already are. >> which presupposes that we're
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not number one anymore. that's really the problem with the president is we've heard this kind of rhetoric before. in politics what matters most isn't what you say, it's what people hear. we know obama is obviously such a skilled person at rhetoric but he often thinks out loud. republican should stop making fun of him when he stays on the teleprompter. when he thinks out loud, he gets in trouble. obviously, the bitter clinging gods and guns comments. we've seen all this before. >> all right. well, thanks very much to both of you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks, erin. >> we know the barbs will continue on both sides. that's an election for you. an idaho man what charged today with trying to assassinate the president. fired shots from an assault rifle at the white house. one bullet hit bulletproof glass near the first family's residence. athena jones has been following it for us and described what allegedly the assassinator said about the president. >> reporter: the suspect had quite a bit to say about president obama according to three witnesses investigators spoke with. those witnesses say over the past year, ortega-hernandez has become increasingly agitated about the federal government. and that president obama himself was part of the problem. they say he wanted to, quote,
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hurt obama, that he called him the anti-christ, called him the devil. said he needed to be taken care of and, quote that he needed to kill him. so those are some of the details coming out of the criminal complaint today. >> all right, ortega-hernandez faces up to life in prison if he is convicted. there are new developments in the penn state rape scandal. we have more victims expected to come forward. we're going to tell you that in just a couple of moments. and then andrew weil coming "outfront" talking about how we can all be a little happier. speaking of doctors, president obama might need one because apparently he has bieber fever. seriously. we all age differently. roc® multi-correxion 4 zone moisturizer with roc®retinol and antioxidants. lines, wrinkles, and sun damage will fade. roc multi-correxion. correct what ages you. some folks call me a rock star, some call me the mayor... and i love it. and, i make everybody happy. i keep my business insurance with the hartford because...
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we do a lot of serious stories on this show, but this one is a little more seriously. the president stopped at a high school in australia for a meet and greet with students yesterday. now, during the event, he took questions. and one of the students asked the president this -- >> have you ever thought about teaming up with a high-profile celebrity, such as justin bieber, to appeal to more people? >> seriously. that was a high schooler. if you could ask the president one question, would it be about justin bieber? now, the president responded, saying, quote, hopefully, if i'm going to be successful, it's going to be because of the ideas i put forward and not because i'm hanging out with justin bieber. now, the strange thing is, this is not the first time the president has been asked about the biebs.
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>> do you know justin bieber? >> i do know justin bieber. >> all right. she actually seemed more excited about meeting a friend of bieber than meeting the president. seriously, what's with these kids asking obama about a singer? maybe it's because he keeps inviting bieber to his house for the holidays. here's the obamas introducing bieber at the white house easter egg roll. >> you guys know justin bieber? >> the president didn't really seem that into it that time. it seemed more like he was doing it for the kids. here's bieber performing at the annual white house christmas celebration last year. and there's the obamas. look at the president. he looks to be enjoying himself. and i don't see his kids there. the president says he wants to be known for his ideas more than his friendship with bieber, but it's not necessarily the image he's giving off by inviting justin bieber to the white house all the time. yesterday, they announced the
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on our reporting, do the work and find the "outfront" five. number one tonight, the brooklyn bridge occupied. occupy wall street protesters walking across one of new york's most iconic locations. the demonstration capping off the movement's, quote, day of action. so far, the brooklyn bridge demonstration has been mostly peaceful. there have been clashes during the day. total arrests just over 270, according to the nypd, with seven officers injured. the president of connecticut power has resigned. less than a month after the company struggled to restore power across the state after the freak snowstorm.
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a team is flying to connecticut tomorrow to tell the company how they can fix this problem so that it doesn't happen again. more than 800,000 customers lost power in connecticut. some had no power for 12 days. number three, good news on jobs. claims for unemployment benefits fell again. initial claims fell by 5,000 to 388,000. now, that is a seven-month low and that little bit of good news, not enough to keep traders from selling. the dow did drop today, 134 points. a big reason, it was just a trading level was hit. that causes some automatic programs to hit. there are also real concerns about the european debt crisis. that is front and center. number four, congresswoman giffords tonight calling on all members of congress to take a pay cut. in a letter to the super committee obtained by "outfront," giffords says she wants salaries cut by at least 5%, saying that would save $50 million over ten years. 11 republicans and 14 democrats signed the letter. the bottom line is, okay, $50 million is a small fraction of the $1.2 million the super committee has to cut, but you got to start somewhere to make a
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difference with this. it's been 104 days since we lost our top credit rating due to too much debt. what are we doing to get it back? super committee, we're talking to you. super committee, it's six days and counting till the clock runs out on you for a deadline. republicans and democrats are at an impasse over tax hikes and spending cuts. aides have characterized the talks to us as in a tailspin and, quote, not particularly promising. our next guest has a beef of his own with the super committee. co-founder and ceo of paul mitchell systems, john paul digerio. this is a man who spent time homeless and became a billionaire. real pressure to have you with us. >> hi, erin. >> i want to start with the super committee. what do you think they need right now to get this deal done? >> well, immediately, they need a business person. you're looking at good people from the house of
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representatives and the senate. the only one who has any business experience to the best of my knowledge is one of them's father started a business. so here you have people that voted on laws that created all this extra debt, but there's no one there that's used to saying, hey, there's too much being spent. where do you cut it? $1.2 trillion over ten years is very little. >> it's nothing, you're being polite. >> yeah, no, they need to go $4 trillion to $5 trillion in the cut. and they need some businesspeople there helping them out because they've never done this before. i'm just blown away why the administration has some top businesspeople in there that have built businesses, nowhere to cut but still keep jobs. we and private enterprise right now are hiring lots of people. all my companies have been hiring people. and there are jobs out there if they just knew about it. there's something missing there. i think it's some business
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influence on people like myself that will do it for nothing to help our country out. i mean, hey, i'm homeless. there's people down there all over the united states there without jobs. that are saying, hey, what's in it for me? is it the big guy against the little guy? well, that's not true. when i started my companies back in 1980, inflation was worse. unemployment was worse. my god, if you could get a loan, it was 18%. so things were worse then. america still works. >> it's a good point. god knows interest rates, they can't go lower. let me ask you this, because a lot of people will say, okay, that's fine, but now that you're rich and you want all these cuts, but what -- are you going to take your fair share of it? and this is important. because, john paul, you've said $4 trillion to $5 trillion in cuts and you are willing then to put in a whole lot of money in increased taxes from people like yourself. >> everybody i think out there -- let me say not everybody but most people that make really big money would gladly put in that extra 5% they want if it was in
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addition to. if they came up with, here's how we're going to cut $4 trillion to $5 trillion over the next ten years, not add anything on, just cut it out, and you guys making big money, can we raise your taxes 5% for an extra trillion? now it's $5 trillion to $6 trillion? i'd say heck yes. are you kidding? you got my money. >> good deal. >> i'd rather do things like projects i'm doing to feed hundreds of thousands of people in the appalachian mountains, all over the united states, to give them good job, good food, and get them off government assistance. we're doing that in the private sector. the government isn't, unfortunately. they're wasting trillions of dollars creating very few jobs. if you take our appalachian program, which costs the government nothing, i pay for it all. kentucky, tennessee, virginia. part of the carolinas. getting all these folks that were coal miners out of work. i buy their equipment, their seeds, their fertilizer -- >> and what's the cost compared to food stamps?
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>> this will blow your mind, okay, for 300,000 people, which is my goal in the next five years, it's $10 million. that is less than $40 per person. the government spends that at least every month on food stamps. that's a total cost to get their own gardens. not only do they have their own gardens to feed themselves but the excess takes care of the winter when they can it and they're now selling it to local grocery stores to have an income. when you look at 16,000 students at paul mitchell schools, everyone who graduates have jobs waiting for them. at patron, everything we do there -- i'm sorry, let me let you talk. i could go on for hours.
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>> you're talking about when -- you're talking about some of the frustration out there. a lot of people really haven't been able to get jobs. there are some that you think could do what? what kinds of jobs are there for some people? >> immediately in all your major cities there are jobs in fast food restaurants that people don't want to take because it's only $7 and some odd cents an hour. in north dakota, there are tens of thousands of jobs waiting for people to fill. in the energy sector of the united states, whether it's solar whether it's wind, anything in energy, there are thousand, tens of thousands of jobs waiting to be filled that people are not filling. which is just amazing. >> and one question before we go. >> they're out there. >> i want to ask you because warren buffett has a pledge that he has tried to get american billionaires on board. if you're a billionaire you sign away to give away the majority of your money when you die. you signed it. why? >> well, here's the thing. when warren came to me, i was already doing it. and i'm not doing it when i die.
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i'm doing it right now. i was already doing it. whether it's buying conservation land to protect for the future. i spent millions on that in the past. big programs going on now like this last year they put millions into, i'm doing it now. i'm not waiting till i die. i've been doing this over the last several years. i said, warren, are you kidding, i'm doing it now. what's left when i die, some will go to charity and some of my kids will give to charities. a lot of it i'm doing when i'm alive. that's what people should do. while we're here, let's change things. people are having difficulties now. people like me are putting money in, they're creating jobs. latitudes, a whole new company in water. how you clean up the water in the united states. at the same time, give jobs to thousands of people. it's happening. america works, erin, it really does. there's a lot of people out there making big changes that made money and want to give back because we remember what it was like when we were homeless or we had nothing. america works. >> thank you very much for the optimism, john paul, see you soon. still "outfront" tonight, we have some new details from the penn state child rape scandal. we're going to tell you about some new victims. and police in san diego
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where we reach out to sources around the world. we begin tonight in kuwait where leaders held an emergency session vowing to clamp down on violence after protesters stormed parliament late yesterday, calling for the prime minister to resign. kuwait hadn't been touched by the arab spring so much. rima muktabi is covering the story from nearby dubai. how serious is this group? >> reporter: well, erin, this prime minister was appointed by the amir, the ruler of kuwait, in 2006. i have spoken today to a kuwaiti opposition figures and they told me they will continue to protest till the amir decides to sack this prime minister. and this amir seems keen so far to keep the prime minister in place. so the events taking place in kuwait are quite alarming for this oil-rich country in the gulf. erin? out to england, where passengers arriving on a chartered flight from india, this is not a joke, were forced to pay 200 additional dollars after they got on the plane to complete their trip. it's the second time this week
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this has happened. max foster's in london tonight. max, what happened? will they get their money back? >> under british rules, the passengers will go their money back if they booked a package holiday. for those who booked flights only, the airlines main shareholders says all passengers should be repaid but not by him. he says it's down to the travel agents who took the money to pay it back. it's a very murky situation, pretty much unheard of. but that doesn't help the passengers who were left temporarily stranded and out of pocket. erin. >> and the money, by the way, apparently because the plane needed fuel. now to san diego, where investigators have seized tons of marijuana worth up to $30 million. now, this is amazing. they discovered a drug smuggling tunnel that connected mexico to the united states. rafael romeo is covering the story tonight. how sophisticated was this operation?
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>> reporter: it was very sophisticated, erin. it was equipped with structural supports, electricity and ventilation. evidence found inside leads investigators to believe the tunnel was only recently completed. it all started when agents spotted a small cargo truck leaving a nondescript warehouse in san diego. when the agents pulled it over, they found three tons of marijuana. altogether, investigators found more than 15 tons of pot in the warehouse, another facility in mexico and the truck. erin? >> rafael, thank you. we have more alleged victims of former assistant head coach jerry sandusky about to come forward. this is according to sources involved in the case. sandusky has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys, most of them from his charity for underprivileged children called the second mile. authorities say they are now checking into dozens of calls from people who claim to have been abused by sandusky after hearing him deny the charges on monday night. mike galanos is here with the latest. you have any idea of how many
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new victims there could be coming forward? >> reporter: well, we've got a couple of different sources working here, erin. there's an attorney in st. paul says he received calls from roughly ten. all these cases have to be investigated. these victims say they were assaulted by jerry sandusky back in the 1980s. there's an attorney right here in state college who says he began receiving phone calls from people who say they were molested by sandusky dating back to the 1970s. again, all that has to be investigated. erin, when you think of that time line, the second mile foundation was founded by jerry sandusky in 1977. the first allegation in the grand jury presentment, 1984. there is a 17-year window where there could be many victims. the victims we're hearing about now coming forward, that could sadly fill in that gap. >> and do you have any idea, mike, we've heard so much
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recently about how in abuse cases, it starts with eight or a dozen and then ended up with 100 or more children who have been impacted by lifelong pedophiles. do you have any sense of numbers? i know a lot of people have been calling in to this hotline. so what are you hearing? >> reporter: you know, from different sources and different reports, you know, we mentioned st. paul, at least ten there. roughly that same number here in state college. we're not privy to the number of phone calls that investigators and prosecutors have received, the number of cases we're seeing. but it could be a very large number. just that thumbnail right there takes you in upwards of 20 to 3 -- 30 and again, when you look at 20 years, many more. >> thank you. working the sources at penn state. paul callens, former prosecutor
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has been following the case, as you know, "outfront." paul, obviously, i imagine you're not surprised more victims are coming forward. one of the strange things about the case to this point had been, well, if there were eight in the past decade or so, then there would be more -- >> of course, pedophiles are repeat offenders generally. you know what happens in cases like this, if you have been abused and you hear this person on television giving, you know, a bogus explanation it causes so much anger inside of you. then they get the courage to come forward because they see there are other victims who are being taken care of and that it's okay to complain about this. so you're going to see a whole bunch of victims coming forward in this case. i'm not surprised. >> what about their willingness to identify themselves? it's one thing to call a hotline, give an anonymous tip, give kind of an age it happened to you and a year. but it's another thing to put your name and your face out there. >> well, it is, especially when you're now an adult. you know, many of these people are in their late 20s, early 30s probably. many of them have been suffering psychological problems undoubtedly. i think you'll see a substantial
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number come forward if there is in fact truth to these charges. every time i see one of these child abuse cases, one leads to another, leads to another. an attorney in the courthouse today was telling me he was having complaints from new york. >> so not about jerry sandusky, but another issue causing more people to come out. >> a person who didn't have the person to come forward before, sees this case, and says i'm going to do something about it. >> if that's an outcome, that's a good thing. it will mean for everyone watching we're going to be hearing a lot more about this. a lot of awareness, which is good. how often, when you start to have a lot of calls in on something like this or somebody comes forward, i would imagine almost none of them are false. i mean, no one is going to call and accuse someone on a hotline like this if it didn't happen, do they? >> no, they do, i'm afraid to say.
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there's a second spector to these cases. there are going to be civil suits for money damages. a lot of people are thinking the there's going to be big settlements. >> punitive? >> it's not just punitive. look at the catholic church cases. a lot of those cases, one or two were legitimate claims and a lot of people made false claims hoping for a settlement. it's regard ho sort out the true from the false in this situation. it gets to be a nasty situation all around. >> that is truly vile. the only thing worse than being a pedophile and abusing a young boy would be someone falsely accusing you. mike mcqueary continues to be a key witness, as we all know. witnessed the rape in 2002, insists he spoke to the police. the police say he didn't. who has bigger risk? mike mcqueary or penn state? >> there's something bizarre going on here. mcqueary is the key witness in the whole case against the two university administrators.
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>> right. >> now university police and local police are saying, hey, he never reported this rape. mcqueary is saying he did report it. so now the chief witness against the university administrators is being accused of being a liar by the penn state police. they have to rely on his testimony, prosecutors, on perjury counts. that case is falling apart. and reliable reports that he played golf with sandusky three months after he allegedly turned him in for a rape, and he attended an easter seal flag football game with him three weeks after he said he accused him of being a rapist. he looks like his case is toast at this point. up next, ways we can all feel a bit happier. headlines like we've had lately, we need it. the markets never stop moving.
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if you don't know my next guest, you probably should. he's written 12 books, graduate of harvard medical school and spent the last 30 years bringing together alternative healing medicine. he's here to talk about his latest book, number 13, called "spontaneous happiness." hopefully lucky 13, right? >> yes. >> it tackles what you are talking about as the world's fastest growing epidemic, depression. and why is it that it's such a fast-growing epidemic? people may say there's so many advertisements. >> some of it is manufactured by the medical pharmaceutical industry. but is very successful of convincing people they have an imbalance of brain chemistry. we take that out and we're still
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left with a lot of unexplained depression. i hear many people today blame it on the world and the economy. but my parents lived through the great depression, which makes this look pretty tame, and that by all indications mental health is better than it was now. >> so why? >> well, i think it's a mismatch between the life our genes prepared us for and the life that most of us are now living. i think over the past 100 years one of the thing that's happened is increasing social isolation. and there's a lot of research showing that it's disconnected. we're eating unnatural diets. i think the overload of the media is also very significant.
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>> you do think there's a role both for anti-depressants but also for certain supplements. >> there's a broad body of evidence that they work no better than placebo. i think it's one thing about being on them for a limited period. maybe up to a year and trying to phase off and use other methods. for bipolar disorder, the drugs are necessary. for many cases of mild to moderate depression, i would try other things first. in addition to diet, exercise, supplemental fish oil is very corrective, correcting vitamin d deficiency if it exists, correcting sleep patterns. but then there's a range of things you can do aimed at the mind and another things aimed at your spiritual life. >> let me ask you about a couple of other things that you noticed. auto mmune disease, in my family, someone who suffers greatly from it. you've noticed there's a link between autoimmune disease and depression.
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>> many people with autoimmune diseases are depressed. even more interesting, there's a growing body of evidence suggesting that inflammation is linked to depression. this is mediated by compounds made by the immune system. >> so what causes inflammation? >> stress, exposure to environmental toxins like secondhand smoke. but diet makes a huge influence. i designed a diet based on the mediterranean diet, the basic rule is to stop eating refined, processed and manufactured food. >> and one thing that really brought it all home to me, you talk about the change over the past 100 years. the way we live our lives changed so dramatically. we used to be agrarian and now we're urban. it was just about eyes and vision. >> i've spent time in the '70s. i lived with amazonian tribes.

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