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>> on everybody's part. >> on everybody's part. pretty dumb on everybody's part. or not. the police did go to the guy's house and ended up arresting him on misdemeanor charges. he's due in court tomorrow. let's hope his car starts or else he might call the fbi a bunch of times. that is, if he ever got his iphone working. that is, if he ever got his iphone working. that is it for us. thanks for watching. we're on the front line of penn state with reports that more alleged victims are about to come forward. the super committee. by the way, running out of time to reach a deal. will democrats and republicans get it done? a homeless man turned billionaire out front tonight. and the bottom line on occupy wall street's day of action. 177 protesters arrested according to an e-mail to outfront from the nypd a moment ago. seven police officers injured. and what the mayor has to say about it. let's go "outfront."
i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the brooklyn bridge is occupied. occupy wall street's day culminating at one of new york's most iconic locations. you can see it now. people walking across. this is the pedestrian area which is important to emphasize. obviously, doesn't look like there's any disruption of traffic at this time. it all started at 7:00 this morning when protesters descended on the new york stock exchange in an attempt to shut down wall street. in zuccotti park, demonstrators clashed with police. they pulled down barricades that were there to block them from entering the area. hundreds prove testers have been arrested. nypd saying 177 to us just a moment ago. at least seven officers have been injured, according to the police. mayor bloomberg talked about those injuries earlier today at a press conference.
>> someone in the crowd through a star-shaped glass object at the officer. another officer -- another protester through a liquid, possibly vinegar in the face of another officer. >> well, the mayor did note that most point -- most demonstrations have been peaceful. let's go to the brooklyn bridge now. mary snow is there. mary, we just showed everyone a live picture of people looking like they are in the pedestrian area and staying there as opposed to disrupting traffic. what can you tell us that you are seeing right now? >> erin, it's been fairly peaceful. we're at the foot of the brooklyn bridge. i apologize for my voice. it's been a long day out here covering the protests. for about the past 45 minutes or so prorks testers have been streaming on to the bridge. police have been telling them to stay on the pedestrian walkway, and as long as they stay on the pedestrian walkway, then they are being told they will not be arrested. now before this march started,
it was a symbolic 99 people arrested. this for the 99%. it was a civil disobedience. we saw a number of people arrested. it was very calm. and it's hard to say just how many people have shown out here tonight. but, clearly it appears to be in the thousands. and this is the biggest march of this action all day today. there have been a number of protests throughout the day. >> all right. mary, thank you very much. i tong emphasize to all of you out there with mary losing her voice, it has been a crazy day. it may seem calm from some of the aerial shots. it's been a crazy day. she's had to yell to be heard for much of the day. let's turn to howard safer. good to have you with us. we appreciate you taking the time. what's your sense of how things have gone so far today? it was an important day. the two-month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement. that's why they had planned to do this. what would be your takeaway for
how it's been handled? >> i think the nypd handled it as well as could be expected. the fact that seven police officers were injured is regrettable, but you always have some people in these protests who do not obey the law, who want to make trouble. and i think based on the numbers, i say it was a pretty good day for the nypd. >> what do you think will happen tonight? obviously, there's a key thing just to explain to everyone out here. we're going to talk about the legality of it in a moment. as to whether they stay in the pedestrian area versus trying to stop traffic. two very different things when it comes to first amendment rights, mr. safir. what's your sense? if they stay on the pedestrian pathway, i would presume you would think this would remain peaceful? >> i would think so. the first amendment gives you the right to protest and say anything you want to say, but it does not give you the right to impinge on other people's rights. so as long as they stay in the pedestrian walkway and do not block traffic, i think it's going to be fine. >> and what's your sense?
the nypd, the biggest police force in the nation, and you have taken a look at how other cities around the country have handled the occupy wall street and compared to the nypd, who has got ten right? who has got ten wrong? >> i think, clearly, i'm not going to criticize other police departments but clearly chicago got it right. gary mccarthy who i know for a long time, made sure that the protesters did not camp in the park. i think the nypd did a good job. i personally would have liked to have seen the tents evicted a little earlier. i think oakland, unfortunately, got it wrong. >> all right. thank you very much, sir. we appreciate your taking the time and joining us tonight. howard safir was the commissioner for the new york police department from 1996 until the year 2000. let's bring in jeffrey toobin and john avalon, cnn contributor. john avalon, let me start with you first. you live near the original encampment. no longer an encampment, but near zuccotti park.
what are you seeing? >> the day of the eviction, and they really had hunkered down with an organized tent city and the next day taken out. it's become a park again nepcourt order said they aren't allowed to bring back tents and sleeping bags. and that's really a challenge for the occupy movement in new york to is ask themselves what's next. are they going to evolve and become a constructive political force or a destructive political force which will lead to their declining poll numbers. the fact they are using the brooklyn bridge, that's a positive step as opposed to blocking traffic to get a short-term headline. >> what are their rights? where does it come -- where is there a line if there is legally, where you are allowed to protest and exercise your first amendment rights, and then you aren't allowed to because you are disrupting commerce? earlier today, obviously there was some pride from some protesters about disrupting traffic, disrupting buses and shutting down entrances to businesses. >> right. as so often in the law, it's not
a very clear line. but the general outlines of the rules have been established for many, many years. the government is allowed to make what are called time, place and manner restrictions on exercises of first amendment rights. they can say, you know, this has to end at 1:00 in the morning. it says you can't go in the street. you can't go in somebody's lawn. you can't have a bullhorn in a residential neighborhood. those are all well established restrictions. but you can't have so many restrictions that it amounts to preventing people from exercising their first amendment rights. and it sounds like, you know, the bridge protest is an example of one where everybody is on good ground. you have people protesting by the thousands, but they are not disrupting people's train rides home or car rides home. it seems to be a pretty good day in terms of how it unfolded. >> it absolutely does. interesting how -- bullhorns. nobl this case, people talked about the drum circles which you
can chuckle at but have been a significant part of this and noise disruption in the neighborhood. john avlon, you've been down there and seen some of their brochures and things. what's the takeaway from this? >> if you read occupy the machine or any of the basic anarchist guides you get a sense of the professional protester element in this. they have an agenda way beyond income inequality. some of the lines talk about 500 years of genocide characterizing all we've done in this country. >> taking land from the american indians. >> that's not a useful argument to make if you want to play a constructive role in our politics. here's where the tea party did take a populist political movement and quickly turned into a political force. that's been one of the interesting challenges going forward for occupy. as they mature, as even liberal allies like portland mayor sam adams say, i sympathize with your goals but you have to evolve to be a constructive force. talk about income equality. great. what they're going to do about it? are you going to talk about crony capital snimp great.
what specific plans do you want to put forward? then you can determine the debate going forward. that would be a constructive movement. >> laws you want to change. there are very specific things that you can put on the table. >> exactly. things in the news. take on crony capitalism. lobbyist reform. glass/steagall. there are specific rules that you can say, here some are specific areas. agitate and influence the debate and get those passed into law. >> thanks very much to both of you. >> the numbers coming in, the nypd now saying there have been 276 protesters arrested. earlier we told you 177. so takes them awhile to get those numbers and aggregate them. we'll continue to keep you updated on that and exactly how this protest goes on. "outfront" next. a lot of people have picked mitt romney as the inevitable front-runner. but the latest poll out in iowa has four candidates in a dead heat. the man who allegedly shot at the white house. he's charged today with trying
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the number tonight. zero. that's how many songs the columbia university marching band will be playing at saturday's football game. it's also how many wins the football team has had this year. so the band was banned. the band was banned from the game after it mocked the players following a 62-41 loss to cornell. by changing words to the school fight song from roar, lion, roar to we always lose, lose, lose, sung as the team left the field. according to the columbia spectator, band members have now banned those lyrics and are planning to attend the game and cheer the team on from the bleachers. that's good because that's team spirit and a positive attitude. if you haven't won a game, do you really need your band to be so nasty? okay. in politics, speaking of nasty things, let's talk about politics. we're going to focus in on iowa. with seven weeks to go, the gop field is in chaos.
take a look at the latest state poll. four candidates in a statistical dead heat. the man almost everyone thinks is the inevitable nominee, mitt romney, hasn't even decided if he should seriously contest the state. iowa's influential governor, terry branstat, is criticizing romney for slighting his state saying, quote, i think he's making a big mistake. quote, iowans don't like being ignored. so why isn't mitt romney fighting for iowa? doug is a former rnc spokesman. maria cardona is a cnn contributor and democratic strategist. doug, mitt romney's strategy has been to play down iowa, win big in new hampshire. he's in a four-way dead heat. and iowa's upset at him. if he went in and gave a little bit of love, couldn't he lock it up if he just decided to go and spend the time now? >> i think he'll do really well. he has a lot of finance,
obviously and also key supporters and real organization where other campaigns don't. in iowa, obviously, it's a caucus state and in primaries people vote to make their voices heard. in caucuses, people show up to make their presence felt. that's where organization can come in play. mitt romney doesn't have to necessarily decide to do all or nothing at all, but even if he plays just a little bit, he can possibly win but certainly come in second place. >> doesn't he need to come in at least in second place to really solidify his role as the nominee, if that's what he's going to be? >> yeah, i absolutely think that's the case. i think that terry branstad is absolutely right if he comes in fourth. even if he comes in third, it's going to be detrimental to his campaign and the momentum he wants to build at the very beginning. i think the problem with romney in iowa is the problem that has dogged romney from the very beginning with conservative voters because everybody knows that in iowa, it's conservative, mostly evangelical voters who have a real say in who the nominee is. clearly, no love lost between
romney and evangelical conservative voters. they are looking for the anti-romney, and i think that is something that romney has to come to terms with, and it's why he's not going to put all of his eggs in the iowa basket right now. >> you know what would be neat is if we changed it up so every year, every election year a different state got to go first. so iowa didn't always get to be -- that would be really neat. that's for another day. >> erin. >> yeah. >> with iowa, if we're having this conversation four years ago today, we're talking about hillary clinton is the inevitable nominee and whether or not john edwards or barack obama can do anything. it's always up in the air in politics. that's why we don't count votes before they're made. >> fair point. want to turn to the president. he's in asia now. a hot topic for republican candidates this week has been the president's remarks in hawaii during a business summit. here's what he said. >> we've been a little bit lazy i think over the last couple of decades. >> okay. so now some republicans wasted no time pouncing on that. they put some ads together
calling the president's words an insult. take a look at perry. we'll show you the perry ad. >> that's what our president thinks wrong with america, that americans are lazy? that's pathetic. >> okay, now let me just -- let's get some facts in here. the president wasn't really talking about american workers. he was talking about, well, that we haven't worked hard enough to sell america as a great place to invest. here's the full sound bite of what the president said. >> a lot of things that make foreign investors see the u.s. as a great opportunity are stability, our openness, our innovative free market culture. but, you know, we've been a little bit lazy i think over the last couple of decades. we've kind of taken for granted, well, people will want to come here. and we aren't out there hungry, selling america. >> it's a little bit different, isn't it, maria? >> it's very different. i think what you're seeing is
that these are two candidates who are being very disingenuous on a comment clearly taken out of context. many news organizations have already said this is not -- this is not fair what they're doing, but then again, you know, what can you expect from two candidates. one who can't even remember the three cabinet departments that he was going to eliminate, and another one who's done a 180 flip-flop on every major issue facing american politics today. and if you look at the truth of it, the president is the one who says, time and again, over and over, that in america, we have the most productive and hard-working workforce in the world. >> okay. doug, he has said before, though, that -- this summer at one point i recall him saying america can be number one again. even though we already are. >> which presupposes that we're not number one anymore. that's really the problem with the president is we've heard this kind of rhetoric before. in politics what matters most isn't what you say, it's what people hear. we know obama is obviously such a skilled person at rhetoric, but he often thinks out loud.
republicans should stop making fun of him for staying on the teleprompter and hope he stays on the telefrompter. when he thinks out loud, he gets in trouble. obviously, the bitter clinging gods and guns comments. we've seen all this before. >> all right. well, thanks very much to both of you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks, erin. >> we know the barbs will continue on both sides. that's an election for you. an idaho man accused of shooting at the white house was charged today with trying to assassinate the president. they say ortega fired shots from an assault rifle at the white house. one bullet hit bulletproof glass near the first family's residence. it's a shocking story. athena jones has been following it for us and described what allegedly the assassinator said about the president. >> reporter: the suspect had quite a bit to say about president obama according to three witnesses that investigators spoke with. those witnesses say over the past year, ortega-hernandez has become increasingly agitated about the federal government.
believing the government was conspiring against him and that president obama himself was part of the problem. they say he, quote, wanted to hurt obama, that he called him the anti-christ, called him the devil, said he needed to be taken care of and, quote, that he needed to kill him. so those are some of the details coming out of the criminal complaint today. >> all right, ortega-hernandez faces up to life in prison if convicted. there are new developments in the penn state rape scandal. more victims coming forward. and andrew weil comes out front to tell us how we can all be happier. he's got a prescription for you. speaking of doctors, president obama might have come down with bieber fever, seriously. nalyst ratings and 24/7 help from award-winning customer support to take control of my finances and my life. i tap into the power of revolutionary mobile apps. to trade wherever. whenever. life isn't fully experienced sitting idly by.
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we do a lot of serious stories on this show, but this one is a little more seriously. the president stopped at a high school in australia for a meet and greet with students yesterday. now, during the event, he took questions. and one of the students asked the president this -- >> have you ever thought about teaming up with a high-profile celebrity, such as justin bieber, to appeal to more people? >> seriously. that was a high schooler. if you could ask the president one question, would it be about justin bieber? now, the president responded, saying, quote, hopefully, if i'm going to be successful, it's going to be because of the ideas i put forward and not because i'm hanging out with justin bieber. now, the strange thing is, this is not the first time the president has been asked about the biebs.
>> do you know justin bieber? >> i do know justin bieber. >> all right. she actually seemed more excited about meeting a friend of bieber than meeting the president. seriously, what's with these kids asking obama about a singer? maybe it's because he keeps inviting bieber to his house for the holidays. here's the obamas introducing bieber at the annual white house easter egg roll. >> you guys know justin bieber? >> the president didn't really seem that into it that time. it seemed more like he was doing it for the kids. here's justin bieber performing at the annual white house christmas celebration last year. and there's the obamas. look at the president. he looks to be enjoying himself. and i don't see his kids there. the president says he wants to be known for his ideas more than his friendship with bieber, but it's not necessarily the image he's giving off by inviting justin bieber to the white house all the time.
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on our reporting, do the work and find the "outfront" five. number one tonight, the brooklyn bridge occupied. occupy wall street protesters walking across one of new york's most iconic locations. the demonstration capping off the movement's, quote, day of action. so far, the brooklyn bridge demonstration has been mostly peaceful. there have been clashes during the day. total arrests just over 270, according to the nypd, with seven officers injured. number two, the president of connecticut light and power has resigned. this is less than a month after the company struggled to restore power across the state after the freak october snowstorm. "outfront" spoke with davies consulting. they have a team flying to
connecticut tomorrow to tell the company how they can fix this problem so that it doesn't happen again. more than 800,000 customers lost power in connecticut. some had no power for 12 days. number three, good news on jobs. claims for unemployment benefits fell again. initial claims fell by 5,000 to 388,000. now, that is a seven-month low and that little bit of good news, not enough to keep traders from selling. the dow did drop today, 134 points. a big reason, it was just a trading level was hit. that causes some automatic programs to hit. there are also real concerns about the european debt crisis. that is front and center. number four, congresswoman gabrielle giffords tonight calling on all members of congress to take a pay cut. in a letter to the super committee obtained by "outfront," giffords says she wants salaries cut by at least 5%, saying that would save $50 million over ten years. 11 republicans and 14 democrats signed the letter. the bottom line is, okay, $50 million is a small fraction of
the $1.2 trillion the super committee has to cut, but you got to start somewhere to make a difference with this. it's been 104 days since we lost our top credit rating due to too much debt. what are we doing to get it back? super committee, we're talking to you. super committee, it's six days and counting till the clock runs out on you for a deadline. republicans and democrats are at an impasse over tax hikes and spending cuts. aides have characterized the talks to us as in a tailspin and, quote, not particularly promising. we're all very frustrated with this committee because they can make a real difference for our entire country. our next guest has a beef of his own with the super committee. co-founder and ceo of paul mitchell systems korks-founder of patron tequila, john paul. this is a man who spent time homeless and became a billionaire. real pressure to have you with us. >> hi, erin. >> i want to start with the super committee. what do you think they need right now to get this deal done? >> well, immediately, they need
a businessperson. you're looking at good people from the house of representatives and the senate. the only one who has any business experience to the best of my knowledge is one of them's father started a business. so here you have people that voted on laws that created all this extra debt, but there's no one there that's used to saying, hey, there's too much being spent. where do you cut it? that's the first thing. the second thing. $1.2 trillion over ten years is very little. especially with inflation -- >> it's nothing, you're being polite. >> yeah, no, they need to go $4 trillion to $5 trillion in the cut. and they need some businesspeople there helping them out because they've never done this before. i'm just blown away why the administration has some top businesspeople in there that have built businesses, nowhere to cut but still keep jobs. we in private enterprise right now are hiring lots of people. all my companies have been hiring people. paul mitchell. and there are jobs out there if they just knew about it. there's something missing there. i think it's some business
influence on people like myself that will do it for nothing to help our country out. i mean, hey, i'm homeless. there's people down there all over the united states that are without jobs. that are saying, hey, what's in it for me? is it the big guy against the little guy? well, that's not true. when i started my companies back in 1980, inflation was worse. unemployment was worse. my god, if you could get a loan, it was 18%. so things were worse then. america still works. >> it's a good point. god knows interest rates, they can't go lower. let me ask you this, because a lot of people will say, okay, that's fine, but now that you're rich and you want all these cuts, but what -- are you going to take your fair share of it? and this is important. because, john paul, you've said $4 trillion to $5 trillion in cuts and you are willing then to put in a whole lot of money in increased taxes from people like yourself. >> everybody i think out there -- let me say not everybody but most people that make really big money would gladly put in that
extra 5% they want if it was in addition to. if they came up with, here's how we're going to cut $4 trillion to $5 trillion over the next ten years, not add anything on, just cut it out, and you guys making big money, can we raise your taxes 5% for an extra trillion? now it's $5 trillion to $6 trillion? i'd say heck yes. are you kidding? you got my money. >> good deal. >> yeah, but if it doesn't happen, i'd rather do projects like i'm doing to feed hundreds of thousanded of people in the appalachian mountains, all over the united states, to give them good jobs, good food and get them off government substance. we're doing that in the private sector. the government isn't, unfortunately. they're wasting trillions of dollars creating very few jobs. people are still on food stamps where if you take our appalachian program, which costs the government nothing, i pay for it all. kentucky, tennessee, virginia, part of the carolinas. getting all these folks that were coal miners out of work. planting their own gardens. i buy their equipment, their seeds, their fertilizer -- >> and what's the cost compared
to food stamps? >> this will blow your mind, okay, for 300,000 people, which is my goal in the next five years, it's $10 million. that is less than $40 per person. the government spends that at least every month on food stamps. that's a total cost to get their own gardens. not only do they have their own gardens to feed themselves but the excess takes care of the winter when they can it, and they're now selling it to local grocery stores to have an income. when you look at jobs, we have 16,000 students at our paul mitchell schools. everyone who graduates have jobs waiting for them. there are thousands nor that one industry that are going unfulfilled. at patron, everything we do there -- i'm sorry. let me let you talk because i could go on for hours. free enterprise is working. >> you're talking about when -- you're talking about some of the frustration out there. a lot of people really haven't been able to get jobs. there are some that you think could do what? what kinds of jobs are there for some people?
>> immediately in all your major cities there are jobs in fast food restaurants that people don't want to take because it's only $7 and some odd cents an hour. in north dakota, there are tens of thousands of jobs waiting for people to fill. in the energy sector of the united states, whether it's solar, whether it's wind, anything in energy, there are thousands, tens of thousands of jobs waiting to be filled that people are not filling, which is just amazing. >> and one question before we go. >> they're out there. >> i want to ask you because warren buffett has a pledge that he has tried to get american billionaires on board. if you're a billionaire, you sign away to give away the majority of your money when you die. you signed it. why? >> well, here's the thing. when warren came to me, i was already doing it. and i'm not doing it when i die. i'm doing it right now. i was already doing it. whether it's buying conservation land to protect for the future. i spent millions on that in the past.
by big programs going on now like this last year they put millions into, i'm doing it now. i'm not waiting till i die. i've been doing this over the last several years. warren buffett mentioned it to me? i said, warren, are you kidding? i'm doing it now. what's left when i die, some will go to charity and some of it my kids will give to charities. a lot of it i'm doing when i'm alive. that's what people should do. while we're here, let's change things. people are having difficulties now. people like me are putting money in, they're creating jobs. latitudes, a whole new company in water. how you clean up the water in the united states. at the same time, give jobs to thousands of people. it's happening. america works, erin, it really does. there's a lot of people out there making big changes that made money and want to give back because we remember what it was like when we were homeless or we had nothing. america works. >> thank you very much for the optimism, john paul, see you soon. still "outfront" tonight, we have some new details from the penn state child rape scandal. more victims are coming forward. we have the latest details for you. and police in san diego
seizing $30 million in marijuana after discovering something you'd think you'd only see in a movie. a tunnel between mexico and the united states. and, feeling a little down? turns out it's an epidemic and dr. andrew weil comes "outfront" with a happiness plan that i'm trying out. [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up!
session vowing to clamp down on violence after protesters stormed parliament late yesterday calling for the prime minister to resign. kuwait hadn't been touched by the arab spring so much. rima muktabi is covering the story from nearby dubai. how serious is this group? >> well, erin, this prime minister was appointed by the amir, the ruler of kuwait in 2006. i have spoken today to a kuwaiti opposition figures and they told me they will continue to protest until the amir decides to sack this prime minister. and this amir seems keen so far to keep the prime minister in place. so the events taking place in kuwait are quite alarming for this oil-rich country in the gulf. erin? >> thank you very much. out to england, where passengers arriving on a chartered flight from india, this is not a joke, were forced to pay 200 additional dollars
after they got on the plane to complete their trip. it's the second time this week this has happened. max foster's in london tonight. max, what happened? will they get their money back? >> under british rules, the passengers will get their money back if they booked a package holiday. for those who booked flights only, there are no rules unfortunately. the airline's main shareholders says all passengers should be repaid but not by him. he says it's down to the travel agents who took the money to pay it back. it's a very murky situation, pretty much unheard of. but that doesn't help the passengers who were left temporarily stranded and out of pocket. erin. >> and the money, by the way, apparently because the plane needed fuel. now to san diego where investigators have seized tons of marijuana worth up to $30 million. now, this is amazing. they discovered a drug smuggling tunnel that connected mexico to the united states. rafael romo is covering the story tonight. how sophisticated was this operation?
>> it was very sophisticated, erin. it was equipped with structural supports, electricity and ventilation. evidence found inside leads investigators to believe the tunnel was only recently completed. it all started when agents spotted a small cargo truck leaving a nondescript warehouse in san diego. when the agents pulled it over, they found three tons of marijuana. altogether, investigators found more than 15 tons of pot in the warehouse, another facility in mexico and the truck. erin? >> rafael, thank you. we have more alleged victims of former assistant head coach jerry sandusky about to come forward. this is according to sources involved in the case. sandusky has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys, most of them from his charity for underprivileged children called the second mile. authorities say they are now checking into dozens of calls from people who claim to have been abused by sandusky after hearing him deny the charges on monday night.
mike galanos of hln is at penn state with the latest. you have any idea of how many new victims there could be coming forward? >> reporter: well, we've got a couple of different sources working here, erin. there's an attorney in st. paul. says he received calls from roughly ten. all these cases have to be investigated. these victims say they were assaulted by jerry sandusky back in the 1980s. there's an attorney right here in state college who says he began receiving phone calls from people who say they were molested by sandusky dating back to the 1970s. again, all that has to be investigated. erin, when you think of that timeline, the second mile foundation was founded by jerry sandusky in 1977. the first allegation in the grand jury presentment, 1994. there is a 17-year window where there could be many victims. the victims we're hearing about now coming forward, that could sadly fill in that gap. >> and do you have any idea,
mike, we've heard so much recently about how in abuse cases, it starts with eight or a dozen and then ends up with 100 or more children who have been impacted by lifelong pedophiles. do you have any sense of numbers? i know a lot of people have been calling in to this hotline. so what are you hearing? >> reporter: you know, from different sources and different reports, you know, we mentioned st. paul, at least ten there. roughly that same number here in state college. we're not privy to the number of phone calls that investigators and prosecutors have received, the number of cases we're seeing. but it could be a very large number. just that thumbnail right there takes you in upwards of 20 to 30 and again, when you look at 17 years, it could be many more. >> thank you. working the sources at penn state. paul callan, a former prosecutor, has been following the case, as you know, "outfront." paul, obviously, i imagine you're not surprised more victims are coming forward.
one of the strange things about the case to this point had been, well, if there were eight in the past decade or so, then there would be more before. >> of course, pedophiles are repeat offenders generally. you know what happens in cases like this, if you have been abused and you hear this person on television giving, you know, a bogus explanation, it causes so much anger inside of you. so anger brings people forward, and then they get the courage to come forward because they see there are other victims who are being taken care of and it's okay to complain about this. so you're going to see a whole bunch of victims coming forward in this case. i'm not surprised. >> what about their willingness to identify themselves? it's one thing to call a hotline, give an anonymous tip, give kind of an age it happened to you and a year. but it's another thing to put your name and your face out there. >> well, it is, especially when you're now an adult. you know, many of these people are in their late 20s, early 30s probably. they may have gone on with their lives. many of them have been suffering
psychological problems undoubtedly. i think you'll see a substantial number come forward if there is in fact truth to these charges. every time i see one of these child abuse cases, one leads to another, leads to another. there was an attorney in the courthouse today who was telling me he was approached by clients here in new york who said they had a case and they were coming forward because of all the coverage concerning this case. so there are -- >> so not about jerry sandusky, but another issue causing more people to come out? >> a person who didn't have the courage to come out and sees this case and says, i'm going to do something about it. >> if that's an outcome, that's a good thing. it will mean for everyone watching. we're going to be hearing a lot more about this. a lot of awareness, which is good. how often, when you start to have a lot of calls in on something like this or somebody comes forward, i would imagine almost none of them are false. i mean, no one is going to call and accuse someone on a hotline like this if it didn't happen, do they? >> no, they do, i'm afraid to say. there's a second spector to these cases. there are going to be civil suits for money damages.
a lot of people are thinking the there's going to be big settlements. >> punitive? >> it's not just punitive. look at the catholic church cases. a lot of those cases, one or two were legitimate claims and a lot of people made false claims hoping for a settlement. so it's really hard to sort out the true from the false in this situation. it gets to be a very nasty situation all around. >> that is truly vile. the only thing worse than being a pedophile and abusing a young boy would be someone falsely accusing you. mike mcqueary continues to be a key witness, as we all know. witnessed the rape in 2002. insists he spoke to the police. the police say he didn't. who has bigger risk? mike mcqueary or penn state? >> there's something bizarre going on here. mcqueary is the key witness in the whole case against the two university administrators. >> right. >> now university police and local police are saying, hey, he never reported this rape.
mcqueary is saying he did report it. so now the chief witness against the university administrators is being accused of being a liar by the penn state police. they have to rely on his testimony, prosecutors, on perjury counts. that case is falling apart. and also reports today, reliable reports, he played golf with sandusky three months after he allegedly turned him in for a rape, and he attend an easter seal flag football game with him three weeks after he said he accused him of being a rapist. mcqueary looks like his case is toast at this point. up next, ways we can all feel a bit happier. headlines like we've had lately, we need it. ♪ cheap cologne ♪ motor home ♪ i'm the rocket man! [ both ] ♪ rocket man ♪ burning out his fuse up here alone ♪ burning out his fuse up here alone? ahh.
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if you don't know my next guest, you probably should. he's written 12 books, graduate of harvard medical school and spent the last 30 years bringing together alternative healing and western medicine. we're talking about dr. andrew weil. he's here to talk about his latest book, number 13, called "spontaneous happiness." hopefully lucky 13, right? >> yes. >> it tackles what you are talking about as the world's fastest growing epidemic, depression. thanks so much for being with us. and why is it that it's such a fast-growing epidemic? people may say there's so many advertisements for anti-depressants. that's why we're so depressed. >> some of it is manufactured by
the medical pharmaceutical industry. but is very successful of convincing people they have an imbalance of brain chemistry that require treatment with drugs. i don't know what that percentage is. we take that out and we're still left with a lot of unexplained depression. i hear many people today blame it on the world and the economy. but my parents lived through the great depression, which makes this look pretty tame, and that by all indications, mental and emotional health was better than it is now. >> so why? >> well, i think it's a mismatch between the life our genes prepared us for and the life that most of us are now living. i think over the past 100 years one of the thing that's happened is increasing social isolation. and there's a lot of research showing that social connection is protective against depression. we're disconnected from nature. we're eating unnatural diets. i think the effects of information overload and all the new media, i think that's also very significant. >> you do think there's a role both for anti-depressants but also for certain supplements.
>> with the anti-depressant drugs, there's a growing body of evidence that they work no better than placebos in most cases. for very severe depression, they may show an advantage. i'm not going to tell anyone to get off of them. it's worth being on it for a limited time and then phasing off and using other methods. for bipolar disorder, the drugs are absolutely necessary. for many cases of mild to moderate depression, i would try other things first. in addition to diet, exercise, supplemental fish oil is very effective, correcting vitamin d deficiency, if it exists, correcting sleep patterns. but then there's a range of things you can do aimed at the mind and another things aimed at your spiritual life. >> let me ask you about a couple of other things that you noticed. auto immune disease. in my family, someone who suffers greatly from it. you've noticed there's a link between autoimmune disease and depression.
>> many people with autoimmune diseases are depressed. even more interesting, there's a growing body of evidence suggesting that inflammation is linked to depression. this is mediated by compounds made by the immune system. >> so what causes inflammation? >> stress, exposure to environmental toxins like secondhand smoke. but diet plays a huge influence. i've designed an anti-inflammatory diet based on the mediterranean diet. the basic rule is to stop eating refined, processed and manufactured food. >> and one thing that really brought it all home to me, you talk about the change over the past 100 years. the way we live our lives has changed so dramatically. we used to be agrarian and now we're urban. it was just about eyes and vision. >> what i wrote about, i've spent time in the '70s when i was doing my research. i lived with amzonian tribes. people don't wear glasses. their eyesight is much better.