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♪ let's shake, let's shout, shake your body down to the ground ♪ ♪ let's shake, let's shout, shake your body down to the ground ♪ we begin tonight with breaking news, the man, dick clark, in fact, as you'll see, he died of a massive heart tack was wrong to be so modest. those light things he dealt in, not only did they count, they counted a lot and some changed the world.
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he made singers into stars. the legendary aretha frank lili will join us. >> reporter: he was known as the world's oldest teenager. dick clark began his career on the weekly dance party that would later be known as "american bandstand" in philadelphia in 1956. the show became a national and later an international sensation, after it was picked up by abc one year later. ♪ ♪ come on baby, let's do the twist ♪ >> reporter: in spite of racial attitudes at the time, clark was a pioneer in promoting african-american artists, including percy sledge, the silhouettes, the supremes and gladys night and the pips. an appearance on "american bandstand" could launch their careers.
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and from jerry lee lewis to janet jackson, they all wanted dick clark to give their record a spin. and from jerry lee louis to >> if you look at the history of "american bandstand" it covers everything. when we started in 1952, it was very como and eddie fisher and the four aces and so forth, through the rock 'n' roll period, country music, rhythm and blues, rap music, heavy metal, it is everything. >> reporter: but music wasn't his only beat, clark proved a prolific businessman and television icon. hosting the $25,000 pyramid and the bloopers and practical jokes and of course the annual new year's rockin' eve broadcast, he turned his dick clark productions into a multimillion dollar media empire. >> there will be some other surprises along the way. >> reporter: clark created the american music awards in 1987 as a rival to the grammys.
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clark also had a hand in the global fundraising, live aid and farm aid. he was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 1993. >> it has a nice beat. see, you said the magic words. >> reporter: from the early days of rock to the early present, dick clark had a way of bringing us the tunes that had a good beat. were easy to dance to and memories of saturday afternoon sock hops. careen winter kareen wynter. >> our next guest needs no introduction, royalty rarely does, arrest aretha franklin. so what did he mean to you personally? >> he was such a nice man. good evening, everyone, i'm sorry. such a nice and very easy man to work with, a very warm and classy and just an ageless person. and if you didn't go on "american bandstand" you just hadn't made it yet. you had to go on the bandstand.
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>> he was that important in american music? >> absolutely, if you didn't go on there, you hadn't made it. >> the fact that his appeal spanned generations from game shows and music shows and so much more, it's a tough business. what made him such a success? >> i think that she was just so industry savvy and he was such a warm and personable kind of person, very well liked by everyone, the artists, industry people, everyone, even the parents loved watching the bandstand. as a teenager i loved it. i started with him when the band stand was in philadelphia and that was long before he moved out to los angeles. but i started with him there and just so likable. it's very sad to hear that. >> were you nervous the first time you were on the show?
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>> you know it. you know it. but i made it. i made it and i went back a number of times after that. he made you very comfortable. >> he introduced so many musical acts to the american public including many african-american performers at a time when they were not being given equal treatment on the national stage. >> yeah, that is true. he as well as mike douglas, out of cleveland, who i saw when tiger woods first came on the scene, i ran into mike douglas and it was so great seeing him after all of those years. yeah, they both were really, really fabulous. >> he also had integrated audiences, he had african-americans dancing with white couples as well, which again you just didn't see on tv at the time. >> no, you didn't and he very easily did it.
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he crossed that with no sweat. >> did you know at the time when you first started going on the show what a good businessman he was? a lot of people are tv hosts, but he produced, he owned content. he was very savvy. >> i had no idea, but as time went along, you began to see different things emerge, like the pyramid and his business enterprises, he had a beautiful office out in los angeles. i saw that. of course that was one of the highlights to see. and no one knew -- who knew, you know, that he was that savvy. >> ms. franklin, stay with us, also joining us on the phone from "american bandstand," the man who made rock 'n' roll scream, little richard joins us right now. what did dick clark mean to you? >> oh, he was a real, real personal friend of mine. we had an office at 9000 sunset and he had the dick clark's productions right across the
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street from us. and i knew dick way back there when he first started with "american bandstand" in philadelphia. before chubby checkers and all. i knew him way back. >> his move to integrate his show, his move to give voice to african-american artists when they weren't getting on television in the same way, do you think that was a risky move at the time? was it a surprising move to some? >> dick has always been a beautiful person. he loved everybody. he was an all around person and they was good people and they loved everybody. if you had it, you had it, if you didn't, he still gave you a chance. . >> were you nervous the first time you went on the show? >> before i got to the piano, my hand goes to shaking. i always get nervous. >> ms. franklin, you know, dick clark seemed to make everything
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look easy. he had the ability to make it seem like he was just talking to you and talking to the viewers as well, but it cease not that easy. i mean, he was really -- he had a very specific skill. >> yes, he just had it like that. very easy manner. he was a master at it. >> i also want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta. he's with us tonight. the statement from his spokesman says that he suffered a major heart attack while in the hospital for an outpatient procedure. i want to play a clip of him discussing his type ii diabetes with larry king. >> well, after ten years, i'm -- this is the first time i have talked about it, larry, i've got type ii diabetes, which isn't earth shaking news, but what got me shook up, ten, 11 years ago, i didn't think anything about it, watch my diet, take a little medication and all would be
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well. and about four or five months ago they announced that two-thirds of the people with diabetes or heart disease die of a stroke. i thought i better get more serious with this thing. >> he suffered a stroke shortly after that interview. how is a person with a history of massive stroke for a heart attack? >> a pretty significant risk. i'll add a couple of more things. one his age. once you get beyond 70 and you go from 70 to 80, and you have an event like this, a significant heart event almost doubles. having diabetes puts you at the same risk of having a heart attack puts you at the same risk as having a previous heart attack. as you saw, anderson, it was ten years at the point he was talking about it, he already had the disease for ten years, and also the fact that he had a stroke in the past, indicates that the blood vessels could develop arthrosclerosis.
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answer son, something that you know about, other people know about, it's hardening of the arteries. even back at that time, several years ago and then he had this outpatient procedure, that could put him at significant risk, you start adding things up, it's something that doctors would be very concerned about because of his age and his past history. >> ms. franklin, did it surprise you, even in the last few years, even after his serious stoke, he was still doing the new year's celebrations. did it surprise you that he wanted to keep on working? >> no, it did not. the industry is something that keeps one young and of course he had to have had a love for it to have done it as long and as well as he did it. oh, no i was not really surprised when he made such a courageous effort in coming back to the rockin' new year's eve. i did see that.
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and i just wished him well. >> ms. franklin, i have never seen anyone who stayed as youthful looking as dick clark did decade after decade after decade. pretty remarkable. >> ageless. ageless. >> we have to take a quick break and we'll be back with more on dick clark. more from aretha franklin and little richard. ryan sechrest who's lucky enough to work alongside him. ryan seacrest said it was a joy to work for him every new year's eve. we will all miss him. he left a rich legacy. president obama also paying tribute tonight. he reshaped the television landscape forever as a producer and for 40 years we welcomed him into our homes to ring in the new year. more important was the way he made us feel, as young and
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breaking news tonight, the passing of dick clark died today at 82. he left behind legacies in pop culture and he was part of perhaps the only legal pyramid scheme in american history. also, bringing the golden globes and blooper shows to tv. he put together a collection of his own bloopers on "american bandstand." take a look.
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>> what do you think of girls in bikinis, do you endorse this? >> i like it. [ laughter ] >> i'm with you. you know? but it will be interesting. i honestly don't think american girls are going to go for this stuff. >> and then some good old every day mistakes. >> then they roll along once again, this should be jerry lee -- no, danny and the juniors. >> i have so much to remind you about. the monkees on bandstand, there's the slip. the beatles today on bandstand. >> for first time we have two of the top ten songs here tonight. you have heard johnny be good. not yet. i gave it away. >> how about the manual dexterity? >> take a look at a nice machine provided by the ross electronics people of chicago. they give us three of these a show. oops, what do i have here? you can run it on batteries too. take the top off here. i'll show you the top. the microphone tucked under my
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arm. i can't do anything. >> the joys of life tv in the golden age. more now on the business of being dick clark from tom foreman. >> reporter: dick clark was from the very start of "american bandstand" a fresh faced young man with a wise old head for business. it was clark who convinced abc in 1957 to take his local tv dance show to a national audience five days a week. clark who focused on the biggest acts turning it into an instant hit and clark who played off of his rising fame by hosting dances off camera to make extra money. >> hey, mike, can i have the mike back? just for a second. >> reporter: making money was always clark's admitted goal. he graduated from syracuse university with a degree in business administration and formed his own company the very year bandstand went national. investing in record production
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and distribution. he would tell the los angeles business journal, i knew being a performer does not necessarily carry with it a lot of longevity. that's why i became a producer. >> which one? >> reporter: and what a producer. dick clark productions grew into a power house. he became involved in hit game shows, primetime reality shows, awards programs, holiday specials, feature films and tv dramas. by the late 1970s, he had signed one of the biggest production deals ever with nbc. the museum of broadcast communications estimates clark's company produced more than 7500 hours of programming and there is, of course, new year's rockin eve that's been a main stay of abc's lineup every new year
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since 1972. at times there seemed no end to how big the empire might grow. he produced concerts, hosted radio shows, opened restaurants, sold skin care products. through it all, he was renowned as no nonsense stickler for details who started and ended meetings on time. so how much was he worth? "forbes" nose he recently put one of his houses up for sale forbes notes he recently put one in malibu for 3.5 million and estimates at his peak, dick clark was making what today would be around $60 million a year. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> joining us on the phone, aretha franklin and little richard and joining me is andy cohn. andy, how influential was dick clark? >> he came um with an awards show to compete against the grammys. the american music awards, now i
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think it's 30th year or more. which is a huge show for abc. just everything that he did it was an incredible breadth of work. >> were you surprised when he came up with the american music awards? it was a competition to the grammys. that's a tough thing to do and yet he made it a success. >> he certainly did. and i was mystified. if dick clark -- if he touched it, it turned to gold. after the american music awards, it was fabulous. everything was wonderful at the american music awards after party. >> tell us. i want to hear the details on this, ms. franklin. >> really good. really good.
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great after parties. spent a lot of money. >> little richard, do you remember the after parties as well? >> oh, yes. i didn't -- i was traveling and going to other places, but anything dick clark touched, it becomes a success. it becomes gold. overnight. because he's a very successful businessman. he's a tycoon in business. he knows what he's doing and he knows how to do it. and if he touched you, you're going up. >> little richard, did you know even back when you first started being on his show and stuff back in the day that he was as savvy a businessman? >> yes, i did, because his sage not far from myself. i'm 79. >> that's amazing. >> i have had two heart attacks and dick clark saw me and told me what i needed to do i had pains, he told me what i needed to do. i started do it. dick clark is a great
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businessman. he's -- he knows what he's doing. >> one of the best things that's happened to me in the last couple of weeks was listening to you and ms. franklin talking during the commercial break to each other. do you remember the first time, little richard, you met aretha franklin? >> i have known aretha for years. i have always loved aretha, even though she had a son and she never grows old. she got so much spirit and she said she -- she makes my toes move. she brings joy. >> ms. franklin, do you remember the first time you saw little richard? >> yes. many years ago i met richard at the apollo theater. he came backstage and we met. there was something that he wanted me to record and i think it was you saw me crying in the chapel. >> yeah. >> i think that was it. >> wow. >> that's where we met. >> ms. franklin, what do you think -- >> not that many years ago.
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>> okay, not that many years. five years ago. >> she's way younger. >> yeah, i was a baby then. >> she was way younger. she's a young girl. dick's age is not far from me, but aretha is a baby to us. >> what do you think dick clark's legacy is going to be? >> oh, my god, i think just that he made such a great contribution to the health and welfare of the young adults across this country and out of the country. >> we've got a digital dashboard question from one of our viewers, from facebook. shirley asks was he as kind off set as he was on set? >> yes, he was the same man off camera that he was on camera. his manner never changed. very mild mannered. a warm and beautiful man. >> i think little richard, that's one of the things that
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came across on the screen, is even if -- i mean, the viewers didn't really know much about his personal life, who he was in person, but he came off as sort of the every man that was just >> yeah. sort of likeable, a person you wanted in your home. what you saw -- what you see what you get with dick. he's a real, real, real good man and i'm not just saying that because he's passed away. i hate that he's passed away. but he's a good man that loved people and he showed his love and his joy through you. he said to me how are you? that's the last time i seen dick. he and his wife, they had a party. i played for the party. >> you played for the party? that must have been quite some party. little richard, aretha franklin, thank you so much for talking with us tonight. i know you've got to go.
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>> richard, it sounds like you said you paid for the party. you didn't pay for the party, did you? >> i have been screaming here, aretha. >> okay. >> all right. have a good night. >> nice hearing you, i love you, and god bless you so much. >> thank you so much, anderson. it's a pleasure speaking with you, but sorry it's on a sad occasion. >> i am as well but it's an honor to talk to you and little richard as well. >> thanks for bringing me on, anderson. >> i love your show, i always loved it. >> we'd love to have you back sometime. andy is going to stick around with us. it is amazing because there are few people who are sort of broadcasters in the broad sense that he was. i mean, think of regis philbin, larry king, people who could kind of span the range of doing
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a serious thing, doing a dance show, doing a game show, doing all the variety. >> absolutely. i think the key word and you have said it a couple of times is likable. he was so likable. there was nothing offensive about this guy and president obama used a word that has been on my mind for the last few hours which is optimistic. there was an optimism about him that i think spanned his entire career. when i was a producer at cbs news, he was creating a show called -- it was a competition for "the view." it was an all-male version. >> i remember danny bonaduce and mario lopez. >> for a crazy set of circumstances, i went in for the show and i wound up with dick clark and spent a day with him in a room. i had never met him before. he was so nice to me and so kind and he also was -- he was on air, but he was really there as a producer. so he was going to be the barbara walters of the show. he did. it rain for a couple of years on nbc. but he was giving me the amazing notes and bringing things out of me that i didn't know how to even be or act. >> right. >> he was incredible just in that room that day. and so nice. >> andy, stick around.
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we'll continue the conversation. we have got barry gordy, founder of motown records, another legend joining us on the phone. we'll be right back. cuban cajun raw seafood pizza parlor french fondue tex-mex fro-yo tapas puck chinese takeout taco truck free range chicken pancake stack baked alaska 5% cash back. right now, get 5% cash back at restaurants. it pays to discover. if you want a luxury car with a standard power moonroof, your options are going to be limited. ♪ if you want standard leather-trimmed seats, you're going to have even fewer. ♪ and if you want standard keyless access, then your choice is obvious. the lexus es. it's complete luxury in a class full of compromises. see your lexus dealer.
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here's a moment from 1970. >> ladies and gentlemen, would you greet the jackson 5. [cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ never never knew before two plus two make four ♪ >> amazing. i was watching some clips of madonna earlier from a few years ago. andy cohen "watch what happens" is joining us here. also on the phone is barry gordy, the founder of motown records and hit maker behind that song and so many more. mr. gordy, thanks very much for being with us. what are your thoughts tonight about the impact that dick clark had on the music in america and particularly motown? >> well, first of all, anderson, i'm so saddened and devastated over the loss. i heard about it this morning and i just could not get myself together for a while. dick and i were friends for over 50 years.
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i was from detroit, he was from philly. we wound up being next door neighbors in malibu, california, for a long time. so we had a lot of time together and i knew him very well and what he did for music was just beyond even explanation. what he did for me personally was the same way. in terms of the acts that i had on the show. if it were not for dick clark, i do not believe motown would have been the company that it was. >> because he was willing to put so many african-american artists on the air and, i mean, his program was integrated, people -- black people, white people in the audience dancing?
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>> well, i don't think he really -- you know, it was kind of who he was and it was like music overcame everything. you know? you know, the bandstand platform was such that he brought in from the top to the lowest from -- from the beatles to aretha franklin and the beach boys to little richard. i just think that he didn't do it from the soap box. it's who he was. it was about music. he knew music brought people together. i don't think he thought as much about it as the public did. obviously, he got some flak for it i'm sure. but he continued and he just broke barriers without doing it the way other people do it and emotionally the music brought people together.
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music brought people together emotionally before integration laws and all the people were about that, he was just doing it. >> yeah. >> he did it. and that's just -- that was just dick clark. he was a wonderful, wonderful man. and he did everything with class and style and integrity. if he gave you his word, you could count on it. you know? >> which is that's high praise in the tv business. there are certainly a lot of people it's not that way. you know, andy, i was thinking about this earlier today, i mean, in many ways he paved the way for someone like ryan seacrest. >> absolutely. >> or i'm doing multiple -- i work for multiple -- i'm doing work for "60 minutes," i have a syndicated show. you're at bravo, on the air bravo. you have hosted the miss universe pageant. >> by dick clark productions. >> other than merv griffin, i
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don't think there were many people on the air and working behind the scenes. >> you're absolutely right. whean you look at his year, and we were trying to think of other people who have done this. look at merv griffin. what an amazing legacy. look at what dick clark has done. that's like merv griffin super sized in terms of the breadth and mr. gordy, if you look at the career that he's had. he has produced incredible shows along the way as well. >> yeah. did -- mr. gordy, was he always a good businessman? i mean, how did he know how to do all this stuff? >> yes, he was born with the knowledge. not only was he a good businessman but he knew how to deal with people and he always had that humility about him that, you know, that comes natural with being who he was. you know, he was honored at the 1993 academy of television arts and sciences.
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i mean, television arts and science hall of fame. that's what it was. the hall of fame. and i presented him with the award and he was so humble that he cried like a baby. it meant so much to him. i mean, as great as he was, he would always be humble to people. you know? and -- >> yeah. >> and always talked to people. always would take pictures. always make people feel that they were a good friend and he was interested in them. dick was an amazing, amazing man. >> that really came across on tv. i think it's why so many people wanted him in their homes. he seemed like somebody who you would want to entertain in your home. who you'd want to have a conversation with and who was genuinely likeable. berry gordy, i know it's been a difficult day for you.
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and i appreciate you being on the program to talk about dick clark that we knew and the dick clark that you knew, your friend, for so >> my pleasure. you're welcome. long. >> and andy, thank you. i appreciate it. really interesting. we're on facebook, google plus. we're tweeting about dick clark tonight. let us know your memories about him. there's breaking news in the secret service sex scandal. we are learning new details about what 11 secret service agents were doing before president obama arrived for an international summit. three of the agents are now out of the jobs. we'll talk to a "new york times" reporter who interviewed one of the women and the story she tells is unbelievable. the latest ahead. bet you think you're pretty quick? yeah, i guess it is pretty quick. jesse?!? jesse? jesse?! much obliged.
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well, there's breaking news in the sex scandal that's put the secret service back in the hot seat. three of the 11 secret service sergeants who brought prostitutes back to their hotel room in cartegena, colombia, they no longer have their jobs. it leaves eight agents on administrative leave. now, as many as ten military personnel are under investigation including five army special forces members. the alleged misconduct unfolded last week in the hours before president obama arrived in colombia for an international summit. by the time his plane touched down, the agents and officers caught up in the scandal had already been sent home.
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the source tells cnn that investigators are looking into whether drugs were involved and the allegations are even worse than first thought. fran townsend is joining us. you have found out about the specific team that they were on. what can you tell us? >> well, anderson, we talk about the group of secret service agents being part of the advanced team and they have been there for some time in advance of the president's arrival. what we're learning now is that this group of agents were part of what's called a jump team. they arrive only in the last 36 to 48 hours before the president's arrival. typically bringing the presidential limo with them. at least a portion of this team brought the limousine in with them. they had just arrived the morning of this incident. so you arrive, you drop the car off, the car is being protected. that's not an issue. they go to their hotel, they check in. there's a control room where you can get rid of any sensitive documents and weapons. shower up. get ready, and you go out to
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dinner. and that's -- it's the evening they arrived -- >> the same day they arrive, they go out and pick up these women allegedly. >> that's exactly right. >> they obviously had some knowledge of where to go or somebody had local knowledge of where to go or they asked around, i guess. >> it's not clear. presumably that's going to come out as part of the investigation. we do know that the secret service has an office in colombia at the embassy in bogota. so there would have been agents -- local agents who are working on -- before the president's arrival. >> i have been in cartegena, it's an amazing place, but plenty of people will come up to you on the street, identify you as a tourist, they say, what do you want and they encourage the people where to go. >> sure. we know that details have leaked. all the women seem to have been of age, if you will.
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one source said there's no indication, they have interviewed maids, there's no drug use involved. but there was clearly, we know from sources and witnesses, there was a lot of drinking going on and there was a dispute over the payment. in fact, you have to wonder if there hadn't been a dispute over the payment of one prostitute if any of this would have come to light. >> and we'll talk to "the new york times" reporter who is at the heart of the matter. the story he'll tell us in a moment is stunning. went on for so long. but i have to say hearing the details we know so far, it's hard to believe this is an isolated incident. it's hard to believe a bunch of guys just hit the ground running in cartegena. it makes you wonder what else has gone on on other trips. >> absolutely. i will tell you, anderson, when i was in the government and i was a protective, i saw no sign of anything of the sort. they were incredibly professional. you're not there for the advanced team and what happened there.
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i do think, though, that it's 1 # 1 people, two supervisors, and this happens, as you say, so close to the time of their arrival, explains why the director of the secret service, mark sullivan, has said that he is going to appoint an external panel to investigate this. >> fran, appreciate you being on and talking to your sources. as we mentioned one of the prostitutes allegedly hired by the u.s. secret service agents and brought back to the hotel room has gone public with her story. she's 24 years old. she said she didn't realize the man she met last week was a secret service agent. william neuman interviewed her and i spoke with him shortly before air time. william, you spoke to the woman at the heart of this, who was involved in the argument over payment with the secret service agent. what is her said of the story? >> she said she had no idea they were secret service agents. she said she only found out a few days later when the news broke and she was stunned by that.
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she says that she met up with the small group of americans in a discotesque here in cartegena and was one hitting on her and said he wanted to be with her, and she said, that's great, you have to give me a gift. she said she told him $800. and then a lot of drinking happened and then at some point she and him went back to the hotel and also there was another colombian woman who hooked up with another one of the secret service agents and they all went back to the hotel together and the next morning, this woman asked for her payment and the guy says -- he became angry, he said i was drunk and you can't expect me to pay that. and she insists and he calls her names and gets angry and throws her out of the room.
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and then she -- then there's a bizarre scene unfolds where she enlists the help of this other prostitute and the other american, and they sort of knock on the door, she says they were discreet and, you know, weren't trying to make a scene. but they spent a couple of hours trying to coax the guy to open the door. according to her, he wouldn't say a word. and finally, she gets fed up and goes to leave and then runs into a police officer in the hotel. tells him the story and he goes back with her. then you have this bizarre scene where you've got two colombian police officers now, the two prostitutes, a hotel security guy shows up. and then more of the americans come out of their hotel rooms and they and according to her, three of the guys are standing in front of the one guy's door, sort of blockading it against the other people around here. this is a day before president obama shows up before the summit meeting. >> in the scene you describe is
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unbelievable. i mean, the fact that it went on this long, there are reports that the president's schedule may have been in the room which would obviously, you know, be a security concern. did she see the schedule or anything else that could have jeopardized the president's security? >> no, there's no indication of that. she had no idea they had anything to do with the government or obama or any kind of security thing. >> this woman, she was clear with you that she was an escort, not a prostitute. this may be a dumb question, but what is the difference? >> it's extremely upsetting for her, even though she hadn't been identified in the reports that people were talking about her as though she was a common prostitute and she insisted i'm not a prostitute. she said, i'm an escort. and she said the difference is that she gets paid more money and has a better sort of clientele. >> you say the woman was still angry, but also seemed scared, fearing some sort of retaliation from the u.s. government?
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>> you know, i think that she's scared of a bunch of things. i think she's scared to find herself at this -- you know, the person in this sort of kick the hornet nest and started this thing off. she's scared, she says, of, you know, that maybe this guy is now in big trouble and could lose his job and would want to retaliate against her. she said this is the u.s. government, this is a huge deal. and, you know, i think that this is -- you know, this is just the society where often for good reason there's been a reason to be afraid of authority and of, you know, government security apparatus. so there's a sort of -- she's just afraid that somebody might, you know, want to do something. >> i've been to cartegena several times. i'm not familiar with this place where they met. is this a place to go to meet a woman you could hire or is this a discoteque that lots of different people go?
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>> there's a lot of clubs named in news reports and stuff. but a the lo of these clubs are literally whorehouses dressed up -- not even dressed up but a very abbreviated way as strip clubs. but this particular place was not, this was a fairly high end disco in -- right in sort of the tourist part of town. >> william neuman, i appreciate you reporting on this. >> thanks very much. we'll continue to follow the story as it unfolds. in texas they know why this baby boy was stolen from his mother's arms moments after she was gunned down outside her pediatrician's office. the baby is safe tonight. his life, however, has changed forever. details ahead. [ male announcer ] if you believe the mayan calendar,
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incredibly disturbing story out of texas tonight. this baby boy is alive and safe, however, his mother is dead. he was gunned down by the woman who snatched up keegan and drove off with him. she's in custody charged with a crime almost too terrible and too bizarre to contemplate. here's ed leaf ven dare leaf van dara. >> reporter: kayla golden was doing what mothers do, caring for her newborn baby. taking her three day old son keegan to a doctor's checkup. she was confronted by another woman, a stranger. witnesses say an argument erupted. then horrifying sounds. >> i was struggling, i didn't
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know what was going on. but after i heard -- after the fourth gunshot, then i knew something was going on. >> reporter: the attacker shot kayla golden several times in the chest. then snatched the baby. witnesses say golden even after she was shot could be heard screaming my baby. >> the woman has been shot and she tried to get the child from the vehicle. and she was dragged to the ground as the car took off. >> reporter: an amber alert is issued and detectives are looking for the get away car and find it in montgomery county, texas, near houston. a s.w.a.t. team descends on the apartment, and arrest 30-year-old verna dian mcclain. they find baby keegan alive and unharmed with mcclain's sister in a neighboring county that's when investigators begin to unravel mcclain's shocking motivation. >> initially, information is that she did have a miscarriage. she needed to justify having a
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child to her soon to be fiance. they were going to get married in may. she had led him to believe that she was pregnant and had a child. she needed to produce a child. >> reporter: oddly investigators say mcclaim had told her fiance had given birth to a child. they are both black and 3 day old keegan is white. it's not clear how long mcclain planned this attack. >> it seems like this is a random choice on her part. i think she knew the patterns that the pediatric center where she was at, because she had taken her children there in the past. but there's nothing to indicate that this was anything beyond planning further than that. >> reporter: investigators are trying to make sense of the motive. she's a registered nurse who is already the mother of three children herself. kayla golden's husband, keith, is left to raise their three children and to wonder why a random tragedy would strike his family this way.
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>> it's tough. she was nice, sweet, loveable. i loved her. >> reporter: and a little baby had been robbed of his mother's love. more news tonight, up next, new developments in the trayvon martin case and a new judge.
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i'm isha sesay. back to anderson in a moment. but first a news and business bulletin. the judge in the trayvon martin case has recused herself because of a possible conflict of interest. th