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taken her seat. that's about to get under way. we have time for one final end point. alicia, i'll give it to you as a new guest on our show this morning. wrap it up for us. >> this show feels like it's been about people who have no sense of decorum and posting things on the internet and taking pictures of things they shouldn't and bringing prostitutes to the room and not thinking about the fact that at some point in time they're going to have to be accountable. >> you talk about one story. >> they can spend the weekend pondering it as will we. we appreciate it. to our panel, let's get to "cnn newsroom" with carol costello begins right now. i'll see everybody back here monday morning. hey, carol. >> hi, soledad. good morning to all of you. i'm carol costello happening right now in the "newsroom." bond hearing. george zimmerman expected in court this hour. there's a real possibility we'll get to hear new evidence in the case. the big question this morning, will zimmerman be allowed to leave jail until his trial? thanks but no thanks. trayvon martin's parents turning down an invitation to meet with their son's killer. their attorney this morning calling the request
"self-serving." >> no nonsense and fast talker. inside look at the former vietnam vet presiding over the case today and healing the community. sanford this morning watches and waits as they pull together and try to move forward. "newsroom" begins right now. we want to take you right now to the criminal justice center in sanford, florida, to courtroom 5-d. we expect george zimmerman, the man who shot and killed trayvon martin, to walk into the courtroom any time. with him will be his attorney, mark o'mara handling this case pro bono asking the judge to post bond and to walk free heunl his second-degree murder case goes to trial. angela corey will fight to keep zimmerman in custody until
trial. corey is known for her vigorous prosecutions and as you know, it was she at the florida governor's request to take zimmerman to trial. i don't need to tell you this is an emotionally charged case and the world will be watching this bond hearing. joining me this morning is criminal defense attorney and cnn legal analyst and contributor and a defense attorney and we also have our own martin savidge who is live in sanford, florida, this morning. thanks to all of you for being here this morning. let's start with you, mark. you have been in this courtroom many, many times. set the scene for us. what's happening? >> everybody is preparing. i think there will be some emotions running high. everybody will be in order. security will be in place. there was a meeting yesterday about getting all of this organized. i think you will find the judge is going to be in control. i've known him for 35 years. we went to law school together actually and graduated together. he's very smart. extremely smart.
will know what's going on. nobody will dictate and he won't be guided by emotions. that's what we need in a case like this. he'll let lawyers make their arguments and facts come out but he's also one who will go ahead and make sure that he gets to the heart of an issue. he's nobody's fool. he just will simply focus on what the facts are and apply the law to those facts. >> we know the martin family has entered the courtroom along with their attorney, jeng minute crump. we know the prosecutor is inside that courtroom. we want to head out to sanford, florida, and check in with martin savidge. as the martin family arrived at the courthouse, what was the mood like, martin? >> reporter: good morning, carol. a lot of anticipation outside. a huge swarm of media. they were running through the parking lots trying to catch up with the martin family. eventually they did. you watched a massive crowd of cameras, microphones and eventually the family make their way through the front doors of
the seminole county courthouse this morning. there is a lot of media that has gathered for this not quite up to the casey anthony level yet. we don't have a media village but we do have a media encampment all waiting outside trying to bring the world everything that is happening inside that courtroom that should begin any moment now. >> we see george zimmerman now entering the courtroom as you can see he is shackled. i want to pose that question to you, drew. why is he shackled at this point? his defense attorney would have surely liked him to look like a free man. >> absolutely. those type of rights are preserved when you're in front of a jury. being that he's not in front of a jury, that type of restriction in terms of handcuffs and shackles does not really apply because when you're in front of a jury, you want them to not know whether you're incarcerated. the judge knows he's incarcerated that's why he's in court to get released. >> he's wear a suit and not an
orange jump suit. >> his attorney makes sure he has a suit because he knows that this type of footage is going to stay with him throughout the duration of this case whether this case lasts a year or two years. we're always going to go back to this footage. the contradiction is he's going to have the suit and he's going to have shackles. a little bit over the top. depends from county to county, state to state. >> mark, i want to ask you this. you know george zimmerman's attorney. what is going through his mind? i imagine that zimmerman is in particular is quite nervous. is his attorney too? >> i think mark is simply cool, calm and collected. he's a legal scholar. he knows the law inside out. he's the only lawyer i'm aware of in the state of florida board certified in both criminal and marital law. he works late. he knows the law inside out. he'll do his research. won't take anything for granted. he'll be well prepared. there's a lot of strategy as it
relates to what he's going to do in this case. how many witnesses is he going to call. is he going to call witnesses for live testimony? will it only be telephonic? those are strategic issues and he's going to wait and see if the state is going to put on their case because, remember, they're going to have the burden of showing that proof evidence and that will require them to tip their hand. it may be an issue about safety and flight. i would suspect that he's going to go ahead and see what kind of evidence they're going to put on and play it from there. >> we're getting audio from the courtroom now. judge lester is speaking. let's listen. >> good morning. let's call case number 2012-1083, state of florida versus george zimmerman.
>> any preliminary matters we need to take up before we start the bond hearing? state? >> no, sir. >> defense? >> no, your honor. >> is the state ready to go forward? >> yes, sir. >> defense ready to go forward? >> yes, we are, your honor. >> you may proceed. >> my motion of bond, your honor, i can present a quick opening but we can go right to witness testimony. the opening is my client is charged with second-degree murder by information filed by the state attorney's office. the evidence that's before you today is a probable cause affidavit. i know of no other evidence that the court is presently able to consider unless the state decides to present additional evidence. if in fact the court is going to consider any of that probable cause affidavit, the part of my presentation will be review of that affidavit and raising what concerns i think may exist and the state may then respond to that. before we get to that point, however, we do have some family witnesses that i would like to call. we talked to you yesterday about how to accomplish that. i believe the court has that
number. obviously a concern of reference to you yesterday maintains through today is the concern over safety and i'm assuming and hopeful that the process of getting ahold of the witnesses can be done in a secure way. >> okay. >> i believe you have the telephone number. they are available to begin whenever you are. >> however you want to begin. do you want me to call those witnesses first? >> i didn't know if the state wanted to respond to what i just said. >> i'll respond at the end, judge. >> great, thank you. >> if you would just call those witnesses then. as for doing that, your honor, if i might, this is my client's current passport. the only passport that he does have. it does expire in may of 2012 but wanted to acknowledge and surrender to the court at this time.
>> thank you. >> hello. >> hello. this is judge lester. >> hi, judge. >> mr. o'mara. >> ma'am, can you hear me? >> i can hear you slightly. >> may i move forward? >> yes. >> we have plenty of room. >> try that. >> ma'am, can you hear me? >> i can hear you just from a distance. i can hear you though. >> great. thank you. if at any time during these proceedings you and i ask that you tell everybody else have problems hearing any of the
questions throughout this, we're going to presume that everyone can hear us unless you let us know and you're on speaker phone so there may be difficulty because there's always a bit of a delay. did you understand that? >> yes, i do. >> great. who am i speaking to? >> i'm george zimmerman's wife. >> my understanding is you have a notary public present with you, is that true? >> yes, i do. >> may i speak to him or her. >> yes, you may. >> ma'am, would you state your name. >> leanne gallego. >> great. thank you. are you a notary public in the state of florida? >> i am. commissioner number ee 32919. >> how long is that valid for? >> it expired december 7th,
2014. >> have you administered oaths in the past? >> yes, i have. >> i understand there are a number of witnesses present with you, is that correct? >> correct. >> we have what's called a rule of see questeration of witnesses. only that witness that is testifying can be in ear shot. i ask you to secure the fact that all of the other witnesses are out of ear shot so that they cannot hear the testimony of the witness speaking. >> okay. >> can you do that? >> yes. >> okay. what i would like you to do is remove everyone but shelly zimmerman who first spoke to us from being within ear shot and i'll ask that you further swear her in to tell the truth. >> one moment.
>> identify her by name and she swears to tell the truth and the whole truth so help her god. >> let me place her on the phone for you. >> yes, i do. >> i'm sorry. if you can do that in a way where the court can hear you, we would appreciate it. we didn't hear you give the oath. >> okay. would you state the name for the court to hear please? >> shelly nicole zimmerman. >> do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? >> yes, i do. >> you may inquire. >> if i might, your honor. again, state your name. >> shelly zimmerman. >> how are you related to george
zimmerman? >> he is my husband. i'm his wife. >> and how long have you been married? >> almost five years this year. >> and how long have you lived in central florida? >> i've lived in central florida my entire life. i was born here. >> do you know how long george, your husband, has lived in central florida? >> he has lived in central florida since -- probably eight years. >> and has that residence here in the state of florida been consistent meaning he's lived no other place but central florida? >> yes, that's true. >> and you understand that we're here seeking a bond so that george can be released while this case is pending, correct? >> yes, i understand. >> one concern is that george, mr. zimmerman, appear back when
this trial is called. do you understand that concern? >> i'm sorry, could you rephrase that? >> you understand that one concern the court would have and reason for setting bond is simply to make sure that george zimmerman comes back when he's supposed to come to trial and other court proceedings. >> yes, i do. >> would you take on the affirmative obligation to this court here today to do everything that is in your power and control to guarantee the court that george will come back to court for necessary court proceedings and for trial? >> absolutely i will. >> further, would you take on the affirmative obligation or responsibility to advise the court should you lose contact or touch with your husband, george? >> absolutely i will. >> even though that would be in effect telling the court that he might be in violation of a bond condition? >> yes. >> another condition or another concern the court would have is
a bond amount. i would ask you then realizing that one option is for the court to grant a monetary bond, if you could advise the court of your financial circumstances so i'll ask you a couple questions. are you working presently? >> no, i'm not. >> how do you -- what do you do with your time? >> i am a nursing student. >> okay. is that a full-time endeavor presently? >> yes, it is. >> how long have you been doing that? >> well, i am four weeks away from my graduation. >> okay. so you're not earning any income presently? >> correct. >> do you own the home that you live or lived in? >> no, sir. >> other major assets that you have which you can liquidate reasonably to assist in coming up with money for a bond?
>> none that i know of. >> i discussed with you the pending motion to have your husband, george, declared indigent for cost, have i not? >> yes, you have. >> are you of any financial means where you could assist in those costs? >> not that i'm aware of. >> i understand that you do have other family members present with you and i'll ask them questions of them but have you had discussions with them of at least trying to pool together some funds to accomplish a bond? >> we have discussed that. trying to pull together the numbers of the family to scrape up anything that we possibly can. >> okay. the court may also require that george be released on certain conditions of reporting for example or of having a device
which can identify his whereabouts. if that is a condition, would you further guarantee to the court that you will assist george in maintaining those conditions? >> yes, i will. >> would you further take on the affirmative responsibility of advising the court should he violate any of those conditions? >> absolutely i will. >> you have concern of your safety and that of your husband's is that correct? >> that's correct. >> is it that concern that led you to request that this testimony be presented by telephone. >> that's correct. >> are other family members similarly concerned? >> yes, they are. >> realizing that concern, are you asking that the court should be allowed him out on bond keep
the location of his potential release point and where he would be staying strictly confidential? >> yes. i believe that needs to happen. >> realizing that additional condition to the court, will you keep in touch with the court, with myself, with the state, concerning any anticipated changes in george's location? >> yes, i will. >> and again take on the appropriate responsibility beyond that which you have as his wife to do that to the court even though it may in fact be detrimental to george or a violation of his conditions of release? >> i will. >> you are willing to take on that responsibility, correct? >> absolutely i do. >> aside from the fear concerns that you have for george's safety and the family's safety,
>> you are aware of what he's been charged with? >> i am. >> that is a crime of violence, would you not agree? >> i agree. >> okay. may i reposition yourself? >> yes. >> ma'am, would you not agree that your husband had a violent history? >> no, i do not agree with that. >> were you not aware when he got arrested for a violent crime in orange county? >> i'm aware of that situation. >> and did that not involve him striking or in some way battering a law enforcement officer? >> no. >> did you talk to him about it in. >> yes, i have. >> did he tell you that he was arrested and charged with various crimes, battery to a law enforcement officer and obstructing justice? >> yes, he has informed me of
those charges. >> were you aware that he was allowed to plead a misdemeanor and attend a pretrial intervention program? >> i'm aware of that. >> did you read the arrest document to that charge? >> no. >> were you aware that he was in a place when he was asked where they were trying to do something to someone else and for the record i would like to introduce that into evidence being i'll be referring to it. >> it's hearsay but i understand there's a certain limitation. i haven't seen it yet so i would like to have an opportunity to review it and then look forward to examination in this regard. >> admitted state's exhibit 1. >> ma'am, i provided the actual arrest document to the court and also to defense counsel. but i want to read to you a pertinent part. it states the officer to the affidavit, the actual arrest warrant states i identified myself as a state police officer
and showed zimmerman my badge and asked him to leave the area. he stated i don't care who you are. i again asked zimmerman to leave. he stated the f-word and he said you. at that time i attempted to escort zimmerman from the interview room and he shrugged away from me and pushed my arms away with his hands. after a short struggle he was placed in handcuffs and detained. did you discuss that battle with your husband, ma'am? >> yes, i did. >> did he tell you it was a misunderstanding or an accident? >> no, he didn't say it was an accident. >> he admitted that he struck a police officer when the police officer told him to abide by his commands? >> the police officer didn't identify himself. >> okay. you would agree that shows that -- the year of that was 2005. you would agree that shows prior violence on the part of mr.
zimmerman, your husband? >> no, i don't. >> okay. and were you also aware of a prior incident that mr. zimmerman had in which a lady by the name of veronica and her last name is zuazo, where she filed an injunction against mr. zimmerman because of his violence? >> i'm aware of the injunction. >> okay. were you aware that in that injunction and your honor i would also at this point since i'm going to refer to it say that -- >> same objection, your honor. distant in time and certainly hearsay. >> thanks.
>> were you aware that mr. zimmerman -- she alleged in this affidavit that mr. zimmerman pushed her and then he with his open hand smacked her in the mouth and asked her how it felt? >> no, i'm not aware of that. >> okay. he then -- i'm sorry. i'm referencing -- i'll refer to parts of it since the court has it. >> that's fine. >> he picked me up and threw me on the bed. got up to leave and he grabbed me again and put her on the bed. you weren't aware of that incident? >> i am aware he had to protect himself from being attacked from her and there was blood drawn on him from her and he filed an
injunction against her. >> he did file an injunction against her, correct? >> that is correct. >> now, so despite those two incidents, the prior arrest involving a law enforcement officer and the incident involving the injunction, you still assess or determine or tell the court that he is not a violent person or a threat to the community? >> absolutely he is not a violent person nor a threat to the community. >> all right. let me just start at the very beginning of your testimony. you stated that you have been married for how long with mr. zimmerman? >> i've been married for five years in november. >> and did you all live at the residence in the town homes where this murder occurred? did you live together with him at the townhomes where this occurred? >> yes, i did. >> and was that the entire five years? >> no. that was for about three years of that. two to three years. >> and the reason i ask that because you stated that you all did not own that home?
>> that's correct. >> who owned the home? >> our landlord. >> so you all rent it? >> yes. >> okay. and were you working any of those five years or going to nursing school the entire time? >> i was working for the first year. >> and your husband, the defendant, mr. zimmerman, was also working during that entire time? >> not the entire time. >> okay. how did you all support yourselves when both of you were not working? >> when we were not working, we collected unemployment benefits. >> okay. are you still collecting unemployment benefits? >> this is carol costello. i just want to tell you that this is a bond hearing for george zimmerman. his attorneys are seeking bond to have him released before trial. we have to get a quick break in. it's only two minutes. we'll be back on the other side. stay with us. introducing gold choice. the freedom you can only get from hertz to keep the car you reserved or simply choose another. and it's free. ya know, for whoever you are that day. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz.
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>> he did. >> didn't he tell you that he approached -- >> objection. leading. i know it's a motion hearing. >> i would suggest -- susta >> sustained. keep going. >> what did he tell you why he approached the people being detained by law enforcement. >> he told me it was a friend of his being shoved up against a wall by a man in regular street clothes that was -- he felt that his friend was in danger and he was trying to protect his friend. >> did he give you any indication as to any potential injury he thought was happening to george's friend that he went to protect? >> i'm sorry. >> did he tell you about any injuries that he saw or was concerned about? >> i'm not sure of any injuries. i don't remember. >> okay. so he approached a friend of his
and did he tell you what law enforcement first said to him? >> i don't remember. >> did he tell you -- did he give you an indication of how law enforcement reacted to the injury to his friend? >> they pushed him aside and told him to get out of here. >> did he give you any indication as to whether or not law enforcement during that event identified themselves as law enforcement? >> no, they did not. >> the law enforcement officer's sworn statement says that he did. did mr. zimmerman tell you anything about that? >> he just said that that's not true. they did not identify themselves or else he would never have done anything. >> okay. now, they arrested him that night, did they not? >> they did. >> they charged him with a couple felonies, battery on law enforcement officer and resisting arrest, on instruction of justice, did they not?
>> they did. >> okay. after having been arrested for that felony, do you know how the case was resolved? >> i know that he did a pretrial diversion. >> so in effect that event suggested to be a violent event what the state actually did was let him plead -- >> objection. is this a question? >> it is going to be. they let him plead to a misdemeanor and go to pretrial conversion, is that your testimony? >> yes, it is. >> do you know what he had to do as conditions of that pretrial diversion? >> i believe he had to go to anger management. >> and do you have any indication that he didn't successfully complete that? >> no, i don't. >> any indication he didn't successfully complete the entirety of his misdemeanor
tremendous trial diversion? >> no, he didn't. >> speaking about the injunction referenced by the prosecutors a few minutes ago, you said something about your insight as to what george had done in response to the injunction. what was that? >> that the woman didn't want him to go out that night and she scratched him and drew blood on him and started attacking him and he picked her up and put her on the couch and protected himself from her. >> okay. and as a matter of fact the injunction even references she called 911 and advised them of that, correct? >> that's correct. >> and now that it's in evidence, the 911 operator -- do
you have any indication of the 911 operator suggesting they would send out law enforcement for any crime? >> i'm not sure. >> was george ever arrested for any crime? >> no, he was not. >> and you testified that he had gotten an injunction against her. do you know if that was granted? >> i believe that was granted, yes.
>> just a moment if i might, your honor. >> one or two questions if i may, your honor. you stated that you believe he was successful in completing that? >> yes. >> and i gather my follow-up question regarding that is have you ever seen him angry or do you think he has -- let me ask first thing. have you ever seen him angry? >> no, i haven't. >> you don't think he has anger management problems? >> no, i do not. >> this witness are released? >> yes. >> yes. >> thank you, ma'am. you are released. you may call your next witness.
>> i would call robert zimmerman, sr. >> one moment. >> hello. >> good morning. would you state your name, please? >> robert zimmerman. >> and how are you related to george zimmerman? >> i am his father. great. what we're going to do is we're going to have you testify but first we're going to have you placed under oath by the notary. the requirement is that only you are with the notary and are testifying. nobody else can hear you. so please be certain that nobody else is in ear shot of your testimony and then let us speak to the notary for a moment who will place you under oath. >> hello. >> ma'am, if you would place mr. zimmerman under oath so we may have testimony from him.
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usaa. we know what it means to serve. it is 9:37 eastern time. this is a bond hearing for george zimmerman. george zimmerman's attorney is fighting for a judge to set bond zimmerman can remain free until his trial. george zimmerman's wife just testified by phone. on the phone right now testifying to the court george zimmerman's father, robert. let's listen. >> if he failed to do that, would you advise the state and the court? >> yes, i would. >> though it may lead to a violation of that bond condition against your son and may even lead to his incarceration. >> yes. >> another issue that needs to be considered by the judge is the financial means that george
and to a certain extent his family, has available to him. how can you assist financially in securing a bond for george's release? >> well, i am a disabled veteran and don't have a great deal of income. my wife is retired. we have some savings but very little. >> thank you. do you have any major assets, for example a home that you live in? >> we have a home. we have a mortgage on the home. >> if a condition of his release were to be that you might need to secure that home such that you couldn't sell it during the
time of george's release and that any equity that might exist in that home would be secured to be surrendered to a bail bondsman if he failed to appear, would you take on that responsibility? >> yes, sir. >> in effect would you take on what we might call a second mortgage against your home to secure george's release? >> yes, sir. >> there has been concern about the question over whether or not george is a violent person. do you believe that your son is a violent person? >> absolutely not. >> and can you expound on that? >> i have never known him to be violent at all unless he was
pro provoked and then he would turn the other cheek. >> any concerns with your safety around george, for example? >> no, none whatsoever. >> do you have a concern for your own safety based upon the emotions that exist in this case? >> absolutely. >> are you asking -- you're asking the court then to maintain if he's released on bond the secrecy around locations of family members and george? >> yes, sir, absolutely. >> with that additional request, will you further take on responsibility to keep the court, the state, and me aware of george's whereabouts and what he's doing? >> yes, sir, i will. >> so the court is listening to you and is potentially relying on that commitment.
is it sincere and undeniable? >> absolutely. >> nothing further your honor. >> if it please the court. good morning, mr. zimmerman. >> good morning. >> i'm the assistant state attorney. you mentioned that you have no resources in helping your son out. you know that mr. zimmerman, your son, had a car? >> i know he has a car. >> do you know if that was owned freely or if he owed money on it? >> i don't know. i would guess that it's being financed but i would have no idea. >> how about your daughter-in-law? does she have a car? >> she does. >> do you know if there's money owed on that or not? >> i know there was money owed
on it. i don't know currently. >> yes, sir. you also said you mentioned your son was not a violent person, is that correct? >> absolutely. >> in fact if i wrote it correctly you said that you haver in seen him be violent unless he he's provoked and even then you say he turned the other cheek, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> you're aware of what he's charged with in terms of murder, correct, and you were not a witness there, i'm assuming, correct? >> i'm sorry? >> you weren't there to see what happened, correct? >> no, i was not. >> you are aware of his prior arrests involving violence, are you not? >> i am aware of an incident involving alcoholic beverage control officers in plain clothes. >> right. and in terms of your background, were you not a magistrate somewhere in virginia or maryland or somewhere? >> yes, i was. >> so did you discuss that
matter of his prior arrest with your son? >> yes, i did. >> okay. and did he tell you in that particular case he turned the other cheek? >> well, he did. a friend of his was grabbed and thrown up against a wall by some people in civilian clothes. >> yes, sir. did he tell you that they asked him to leave and he told them i don't care who you are when the officer identified himself as a law enforcement officer. >> no. >> did you ever read the actual arrest file? >> no, i did not. >> were you not concerned if your son was telling you the truth or for curiosity sake? >> i never questioned whether my son was telling me the truth. >> you believe him because he's your son? >> i believe him because he's been honest his whole life. >> did you go to any proceedings involving that arrest? >> no, i did not. >> were you aware he was put in
a pretrial intervention program and given anger management classes? >> yes. >> and did you go to any of those anger management classes with him, sir? >> no, i did not. >> did you ask him about that how he did and whether he passed or failed or how long they were for? >> no. >> okay. do you believe he has anger management problems? >> no, i do not. >> okay. i'm assuming aside from being his father obviously, and being a magistrates, you told him the importance of following the law? in raising your son you stressed how important it was to follow the law? >> yes. >> okay. and in terms of calling police if there's a need for help, correct? >> yes. >> and not to assume things not to assume that people are committing crimes when they may or may not be? let me rephrase. i apologize. did he, your son, at one time want to be a police officer?
>> he's always been interested in criminal justice. >> okay. and did you ever have discussions with him in terms of arrest powers, civilians versus police officers, et cetera, having been a magistrate. >> not that i recall. >> did he inquire of you in terms of what laws there were in terms of self-defense or arresting people or following people, that kind of stuff? >> no, sir. >> were you aware he was involved in a neighborhood watch program, sir? >> yes, i was. >> did you know that those neighborhood watches in terms of procedures they tell people not to follow people? >> well, when they are performing neighborhood watch, that's correct. >> you were not involved in that neighborhood watch on that particular area where your son lived, is that correct? >> no. >> okay. we're going to step away. we'll take a one-minute break.
>> you are listening to george zimmerman's bond hearing. his attorneys want the judge to set bond so george zimmerman can be free until his trial takes place. on the phone right now, robert zimmerman, george zimmerman's father. he's being asked what assets he has presumably so, you know, if they come up with a dollar amount for the bond, maybe zimmerman's family can help out. let's listen to the assistant state attorney asking questions of robert zimmerman. >> well, i've had fairly limited contact with my son since his head was beaten so i can't say now. >> i'm talking about -- you were there when his head was beaten allegedly? >> no, i saw the scars on the back of his head and his face
swollen and everything the next morning. >> you did? where did you see him? >> at his house. >> okay. and so he told you about what had happened? >> yes, he did. >> okay. but i was inquiring prior to that in terms of whether he had any psychiatric history or anything? >> no. >> may i have a moment? >> take your time. >> i have no further questions, your honor. thank you. >> mr. zimmerman, it's mark o'mara again. did george ever talk to you about why he had gone into criminal justice? >> well, at one point he said sometime in his life he would like to be a magistrate or a judge. >> did he talk about becoming a lawyer? >> no, he didn't. >> so he sort of as he discussed it with you wanted to follow in
soo so he wanted to be able to help somehow. >> so what did george's head hook like look like when you saw it the day after? >> his face was swollen quite a bit. he had a protective cover over his nose. his lip was swollen and cut and there were two vertical gashes on the back of his head. >> have you seen any pictures of that? >> i did not take any pictures. >> have you seen any of them? >> yes, i have. >> who showed them to you? >> i saw one on the news today. >> did the state attorney's office ever show you any of those pictures? >> no, they did not. >> did they ever talk to you? >> i spoke to the state attorney's office briefly in sanford. good how long ofafter the aefbt? event. >> i don't recall the date. it was after the state attorney's took over the case. >> the new state attorney? >> the state attorney in sanford. >> at that point did they show you any of the pictures slash to
the injury similar to the injuries that you had seen that next day? >> no, they did not show me any pictures. >> no questions, your honor. >> thank you, sir. you're excused. you may call your next witness. >> i call my client's mother, your honor, gladys zimmerman. >> gladys zimmerman, please. >> hello. >> good morning, ma'am. would you state your -- >> as gladys zicmmerman is swor in, we'll be back in two minutes. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003.
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with second gldegree murder and we're asking the court to let him out on bond? >> yes, sir. >> a couple of questions. what type of contact have you had with george over the past few years? >> hello? >> yes. let me ask it. do you have pretty frequent contact with your son george and his wife? >> yes, sir. >> and do you know where he lives? >> yes, sir. >> there will is a -- do you have any concern for george's
safety upon release? >> yes, i do. i do because we have received a lot of threats. >> based upon those threats or concerns, are you asking the court maintain secrecy or confidentiality over where george be released and where he's allowed to go? >> absolutely. >> i had asked your husband some of these questions, so i'll go through them quickly. but one condition the court has to consider is financial ability to pay bond. and if i might, your husband testified that you're retired, that he's a disabled veteran and you do not have much savings. is that correct? >> yes, that's correct. >> but you do have a house that you own, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and there is some equity in that home, is that also correct? >> yes, sir. >> do you have any idea about
the amount of equity that exists in that home? >> no. n no, sir. >> whatever it may be, would you be willing to pledge that in some form or fashion to pledge george's release realizing that you could lose it? >> yes, sir. >> you would be willing to do so? >> yes, sir. >> the court also has to in effect trust that george will return for hearings and trial she be released. would you take on the appropriate obligation to advise the state attorney's office and the court, myself, should you find out that george has violated any conditions that may be given by the court? >> yes, sir.
>> just one moment. >> ms. zimmerman, there's been testimony concerning grneorge's history and suggestions of violent incidents in his past. did he discuss with you his arrest at the hands of alcohol fire arm and tobacco officers? >> yes, he did. that was a long time ago. >> and what did he tell you about that? >> he told me that he was with a friend and this friend was
pushed around by a civilian people and he tried to find out what was going on and he was pushed around. and they told them to get out and george wanted to defend his friend. >> is that something that you come to know about george, that he will go to the defense of others? >> yes, sir. >> how has that shown up to you? >> this case or another case? >> other cases. >> other case? >> yes, since the issue of his violence is at hand. >> in 2010, he saw -- well, he didn't saw, but he find out that
homeless person was being beaten by another man here in sanford. he went to churches, he put flyers on cars, he did everything possible so the city of sanford will organize and go to the council and ask for justice for this homeless man who was beaten up. >> and that was at george's insistence? >> yes, sir, that was george. that was my son. and there are probably tapes in the sanford council when he went and organized a meeting so that person would have justice. he was recognized also by the mayor. >> sanford's marek nyo mayor re him for his efforts in that regard?
>> yes, sir, i believe so. >> anything other things that come to mind about dwornlg comi george coming to the defense of others? >> another case? >> if you know of any. >>to the defense of others? >> another case? >> if you know of any. >> off the top of my mind, no, i don't know, but i know that he's a very protective of people, very protective of homeless people, and very protective of children no matter the race because he's a very -- well, he was very active. he was a mentor for a boy in the city of orlando. >> tell me about that. >> this program started like three years ago. and when the problem started, you have to go to classes. and you have to sign like a contract that you will keep on with the program. with the program was -- he sign up for the program, i'm sorry,
and because of the economy, it close after nine months. but george continued with the program. he he continue that had whole year. and after that year, he kept on with the program this was his second year going up to the city of orlando and taking care of two kids because his wife also mentored. so the couple mentored these two kids for the last two years. >> and how old were those children? >> i believe one is -- the boy is 14. and i had met them, it they are very nice kids. george tried his best to give help love and teach them, you know -- teach them good manners.
they are very lovely kids and they love so much george was george used to go to see them every two bikeweeks, twice a mo he would go and see them. and i had begged george not to go. i'm sorry, i had told my son please don't go, it's too dangerous. and he said, mom, if i don't go, they don't have nobody. >> why were you concerned about george's safety in that program? >> because it was a very dangerous place where he goes to. >> a bad news place? >> dangerous place. >> i'm sorry, my apologies. >> that's okay. >> what was the racial background of the two children that he mentored? >> african-american, sir. >> nothing further, your honor. >> the state.
>> good morning. >> good morning, sir. >> i'm on behalf of the state of florida. i just have a few quick questions hope any. you mentioned that he -- >> he tries to protect people. >> and you are aware about this prior case in which he was arrested, right? >> i didn't hear. >> i turned my back. i apologize. you were aware of the prior case in which he was arrested, were you not? >> yes, sir, that was in 2005. >> and that was in 2005. >> when you say your son from an authority standpoint when law enforcement tells him something, he'll be aed abib echlichiabide?
>> yes. >> why didn't he heave when the police officer told him to leave? >> george told me he didn't identify himself as a police officer. >> did he claim that he was defends himself, too? >> i'm sorry? >> did he say regarding that arrest incident in 2005 regarding those officers, did he say he, mr. zimmerman, say, your son, say he was defending himself? >> i don't recall that, sir. >> and you don't have any knowledge of the website, do you, in terms of the money? >> no. i know i have seen the letter, but i don't have any answers to it. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> thank you, your honor, for the questions. if i can have -- >> can she be excused? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you, ma'am. you're excused.
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american airlines. i'm carol costello. you're watching cnn. it's 10:05 eastern time. these are live events happening from sanford, florida. courtroom number five. and this is a bond hearing for george zimmerman. zimmerman's attorney asking the judge to set bond so he can be released until his criminal trial begins. we heard from his mother, his father, we also heard from his wife. none of them seemed to have much money on hand. although gladys zimmerman does have a house. let's listen to what zimmerman's attorney is talking about right now. >> i would call -- >> i don't mean to be rude. it's your motion. however you think it's best for
you. >> thank you, your honor. i would call either investigation osteen or investigator gilgrave. >> please state your sful full name for the record and spell your last name. >> dale g-i-l-b-r-e-a-t-h. >> state your occupation, if you will. >> investigator with the state attorney's office in fourth jew
did addition judicial circuit. >> and you are one of the investigators on this case? >> yes. >> would you consider yourself one of the lead investigators? how do you determine your involvement, how do you define your. so? >> i'm one of the would investigators working on the case with the state attorney's office. >> and i note in the file that you brought up with you, did you bring a file with you? >> nos,, sir, i brought a copy of -- >> sorry. do you have anything other than what you just identify, the probable cause affidavit? >> no documents. >> did you bring any supporting documentation at all? >> no, i was not planning on testifying. >> okay. but you do have the probable cause affidavit? >> i have a copy of it. >> i would like to spend a few minutes going over a copy of that, if i might. i'll try to make it easy for us
with the court's in-dull against to use blow up of that. you can see that? >> yes. >> take a moment just to compare the two to make sure that that is in fact the after the that y affidavit that you are reviewing. >> may i examine the witness from the exhibit? >> whatever you're most comfortable with. >> it appears to be, yes. >> at any time during this examination you're concerned that the probable cause affidavit that you have is different than the one i'm examining from, let me know.
starts out with two or three paragraphs preparatory telling the magistrate, the judge, who you are and what you you do, correct? >> yes. >> and you and a fellow officer tell us that you're officer, you're investigator, correct? >> yes. >> for 35 years. >> yes. >> and you've taken sworn statements. up here, there is no evidence, correct? this is an evidence for the court to consider beyond what your background is? >> yes. >> i'll call it substantive evidence, meaning by that evidence that relates to the facts of the case. okay? >> okay. >> great. so this -- we're not considering this evidence.
would we? >> substantive evidence? >> no. >> and the statements would be evidence, but this is not evidence, correct? >> the fact that you took them isn't substantive evidence, is? >> the fact that they were taken, no. >> and you say trayvon martin was temporarily residing at the retreat at twin lakes, sanford, in a. certainly a piece of evidence stab t tells us where trayvon was living. a doesn't give us any indication what happened, though, with the eventual event that led to his death. just tells us where he's living. >> correct. >> that he had a bag of skittles, that he was on his way back when he was proceed filfil george zimmerman. if i say to you the word peanut
putter, what do you think? >> jelly. >> mo, larry and -- >> curly. >> when i say the word profiling, what do you think? >> i believe you're applying a predetermined thought pattern to a set of circumstances. >> no other word comes to mind when i say profiled to you? >> i gave you my answer, sir. >> i appreciate the answer. did you consider to be some specific type of profiling? >> no. >> why did you use the word profiling rather than noticed urks observed, saw, or anything besides the very precise word profiled? and by the way, was that your word? >> i don't recall. this was a collaborative answer -- excuse me collaborative document. >> between who in addition to the two people who signed it as being true? >> detective osteen and i
prepared the majority of this. it was reviewed by our surprise or. there were several mistakes. it was corrected. >> do you know whools word profiling was? >> no, i do not. >> when you swore it to be true, what did you mean that to indicate? >> that zimmerman saw martin, formed and idea in his head and contacted the sanford police kept. with no facts. >> with no facts. and of course you have available to you, mr. zimmerman's statements, correct? >> i did. >> again you you say he lived in a gated community, driving his
vehicle, pelt that trayvon condition belong in the gated community and called miss. did you get that from your conversations with mr. zimmerman? >> i have never spoken to him. >> from his sworn statements? >> from his non-emergency dispatch. >> and you state that mr. zimmerman perceived that trayvon mar ttin was acting suspicious. do his statements give us any insight into that? >> when talking to the police dispatcher, i believe he indicated that he was suspicious. >> did he use that word? >> without reviewing it right now and reviewing all the stuff we have, i can't honestly say if he used that word during the dispatch tape. >> and they informed zimmerman that an officer was on the way and to wait for the officer. >> i believe so. >> and you would have gotten that from the 911 tape that has
been heard? >> the non-emergency tape. >> non-emergency, sorry. >> now, i'm curious, you say zimmerman made reference to people that he felt had permitted and gotten away with things in the neighborhood. what was that that gave you that indication? >> i think he said the second line that you -- before you stopped, part of that is included in that statement. >> how many different statements existed, the non-emergency ur, emergency, how many phone calls existed of george zimmerman's communication with law enforcement? >> on this evening? >> yes. >> i believe one. >> was it your determination or decision to put it in quotes that by suggesting it's his words precisely, and the only quotes you use, two phrases that
use expletives. was that an affirmative decision by you? >> i don't disagree with it, but i'm not one that person .quotation marks on. >> why did you do it? >> i didn't type will this. >> but you swore to it. >> true, but i did not type it. >> did someone else make the decision to put in two quotes and the only two quotes that suggest that my client was using expletives? >> i don't know the decision making process, but as far as i recall, those were the quotes. >> absolutely true. i'm not denying that her quotes. i'm just asking everything else that he did, why those didn't make into quotes for a probable cause affidavit. and since you signed it i'm curious if you can give us any insight. >> i didn't put them in quotes. i can't give you insight into
that. >> but that is your suggest. >> i agree. >> and you swear this is true. >> i don't believe those statements are untrue. >> but you don't know who made the decision to solely put those two phrases in quotes? >> no. >> who was in this decision making process? >> as i said, detective oste echeosteen, and myself and bernie. >> during this time he was on the phone with a friend and described what was happening. how did you get that information?ive osteen. >> how did he get it? >> he interviewed the witness. >> i'll object to that witness' name being disclosed. >> i apologize. this is carol costello. we'll accestep away again and b back in two minutes.
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this is cnn. you're listening to the live court proceedings in sanford, sfwla florida of george zimmerman's bond hearing. his attorney is questioning the state attorney's investigate it tore, dale gilbreath. and what they're looking at is the probable cause affidavit that was used to convince a judge to get an arrest warrant for george zimmerman. it's why he's in custody right now and mr. o'mara is tearing it apart or trying to. let's listen. >> zimmerman on this after tfidd said, but zimmerman said he didn't want him to get away because they always get away. >> this thing you falsely accused who was going to commitment a crime, who made that determination?
>> it was the three of us throughout the process. i don't recall who did which sentence in this. this was not everybody sitting in one room. this was provo proveded, given somebody else and prepared. >> when the responding officer said he disregarded the responding officer, how do you know he was trying on return to his home? >> because the location he was found in is probably -- and i don't have exact measurements, it's in the path to the the bk k door of where he was staying. he came from there. i'm assuming he was going back the there. >> when you say he disregarded the police dispatcher, in your
investigation, did he at that point hang up the phone and just do whatever he was going to do, did he disconnect with dispatch? >> he did disconnect with dispatch -- >> i want to keep it on the time line. you said he disregarded the polices ca s can pacdispatch? did he disconnect at that point? >> no, he did not. he stayed on the phone for a short period of time. >> zimmerman confronted mar continue. those words. where did you get that from? >> from the fact that the two of them obviously ended upthose wo. where did you get that from? >> from the fact that the two of them obviously ended up together in that dog walk area. according to one of the witnesses that we talked with, there were arguing words going
on before this this incident occurred. but it was between two people. >> which means they met. i'm just curious with the word confronted and what evidence you have to support an affidavit you want in this judge to rely on that these facts with true and you use the word confronted. and i want to know your evidence to support the word confronted. if you have any. >> it's not that i have one. i probably could have used 30 words. >> it is an an takiking antagonistic word, would you agree? >> it could be considered one. >> come up with words that are not antagonistic. met, came up to, spoke with. >> got in physical confrontation with.
>> but you have nothing to support the confrontation suggestion, do you? >> i believe i answered it. i don't know how much more explanation you wish. >> anything you have, but you don't have any, do you? >> i think i've answered the question. >> a struggle ensued. we have witnesses concerning struggling, correct? you have evidence of that, right? >> yes. >> witnesses heard people arguing, sounded like a struggle. during this time, witnesses heard numerous calls for help. some of this was recorded. trayvon's mom reviewed the 911 calls and identified the cry for help and i trayvon martin's voice. did you do any forensic analysis on that voice tape? >> did i? >> did you or are you aware of anything? >> the orlando sentinel had one
do it and the fbi has had someone do it. >> is that part of your investigation? >> yes. >> has that given any insight as to the voice? >> no. >> did trayvon martin's voice identify that voice as soon as she heard it or were there concerns as to the identity of that voice? >> i did not speak with her. >> we'll take another two minute break and we'll be back on the other side with more from sanford, florida. ♪
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before we return to the court proceedings in sanford, fwl florida, there's been a civilian plane crash in islamabad pack is an. we don't know much more than that, this is what reuters is reporting. we don't know who was on board. but of course it's also possible there could be people on board that plane from other countries.
we understand this is a big plane and it crashed in islamabad. now we want to return to the court proceedings in is sanford florida. on the stand right now is one of the investigation get a tors for the state's attorney's office, dale gilbreath. they're talking about the probable cause affidavit used to convince the judge to issue an arrest warrant for george zimmerman. let's go back to testimony. >> how about the dad's ability to identify whether or not that was trayvon's voice? >> no. sf . >> you're not aware of any inquiries made to trayvon's dad as to whether or not he could identify that voice as being his
son's? >> no. >> nothing further, your honor. >> proceed. >> mr. o'mara doesn't mind, may yi that same -- >> all yours. sorry for the blue marks. >> mr. o'mara talked about the first two prepared affidavits being irrelevant. how long were you a detective in homicide? >> 20 years. >> and how about detective osteen? >> i believe directly in only side for maybe six. >> so you have a total of how many years experience if you combine them both? >> as detectives alone before before. >> just say police officers. >> police officers, probably in excess of 65, 70 years.
>> and in terms of mr. o'mara asking you about the third paragraph or fourth paragraph in that affidavit, you along with investigator osteen had an opportunity to review other document, photograph, other stuff? >> yes. >> and isn't it true, sir, that at least one witness described a person chasing another person in the back of the area where the murder occurred? >> yes, sir. >> now, you were asked about this paragraph rashing on sunday that starts on sunday, february 26th, mr. martin was temporarily living at the residence there. he had a right to be this in that gated community, did he not? >> yes. >> he wasn't -- is there any evidence at all he was breaking into anybody's house or committing any type of crime? >> no. >> so he had the perfect right
to be walking down the street? >> yes, sir. >> and isn't it a fact that you verified that he went to that 7-eleven score and bought skittles and a can of tea? >> yes. >> and that's a video of that? >> yes. >> and he paid for it. he did didn't steal it. >> yes. >> and then he ended up walk back to the community? >> yes. >> the defendant, mr. zimmerman, also lived in that community, correct? >> yes. >> and isn't it true that he said he called up the police and he stated we've had some break ins in my neighborhood and there's a real suspicious guy referring to mr. martin, did he not? >> correct. >> and the defendant stated that it's raining, so in his mind, he seemed or he profiled ed mr. mn as a criminal? >> yes, sir.
>> because mr. zimmerman perceived that he was acts suspicious in mr. zimmerman's mind. >> yes. >> and the police dispatcher informed him that an officer was on the way and to wait for the officer? >> yes. >> but isn't it true that mr. zimmerman did not wait for that officer? >> correct. >> in fact he continued to pursue mr. martin, isn't that true? >> yes, sir. >> and during your reports, there was mention of two marks, the language, the wrdzimmerman the people he pelt were breaking in to those houses? >> yes. >> and i won't repeat word, but they should speak for themselves. isn't it true also that you
verified threw detective osteen that mr. will mmartin was on the with a lady who was out of town? >> yes. >> and you also verified through phone records that that conversation actually took place? >> yes. >> and what is described in that next paragraph, that mr. martin was describing to the lady that he was scared because he was being followed throughout the complex by unknown male and did not know why mr. vem azimmerman following him? >> to my understanding, yes. >> obviously he didn't refer to him as will vmr. zimmerman. >> yes. we had split work and this came from mr. osteen. >> isn't it true that the route that mr. martin was going to or i should say the 17-year-old young man was going on was he
was going directly to where he was living, where he was staying, is that correct? >> yes. >> and isn't it true that this young man was unarmed? >> yes. >> isn't it true that mr. zimmerman was armed? >> yes. >> and in that recording to 911 or to the non-emergency operator or dispatcher, that you can actually tell when mr. zimmerman leaves the vehicle and continues to pursue mr. martin? >> yes. >> and isn't it true that the dispatcher or operator tells mr. zimmerman, hold on, something to the effect of you don't need to be following him, and he still continues to follow him? >> yes. >> and, sir, you were asked
about the next paragraph here that zimmerman confronted martin and a struggle ensued and you were asked about what confronted means. if mr. martin was minding his own business and going home and somebody comes up to him, wouldn't you consider that a confrontati confrontation? >> yes. >> that is, mr. martin didn't turn around and start -- he was minding his own business and mr. zimmerman's the one that approached mr. martin, correct? >> let me o object at this poin. i guess this is cross-examination, but the concern is that he's talking now about evidence that is completely not in evidence. the objection is he is presenting facts not in evidence to the witness. >> sustained. >> why did you use the word confronted? >> because zimmerman approached
martin and it was compiling the facts that we had along with the witness statements of the argumentative voices and the authoritative voice being given from one of the witnesses and then the struggle that ensued that came from several witnesses. >> prior to that confrontation, will martin was minding his own business? >> again, your honor, this is not in evidence and he cannot present it that way to a witness. >> sustained. >> mr. martin was going to his house, correct? we'll take a two minute break. please stay with us. meineke's personal pricing on brakes.
dale gilbreath is talking about how long possibly george zimmerman followed trayvon martin. let's listen. >> i cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred. >> any other evidence to support your conclusion that mr. zemer m zimmerman continued to follow? >> other than his contact alled fact where it end up. we had zimmerman's statement, the zell oig cashell casings an martin's body. >> do you know who started the
fight? >> do i know? >> right. >> no. >> do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight? >> no. >> mr. zimmerman gave a statement that very night, did he not? >> yes. >> and within that statement, he said that he saw somebody, he was concerned, he got out of his car, he called non-emergency, and began to go towards the person. is that paraphrasing but pretty correct so far? >> paraphrasing, yes. >> and if i go wrong, stop me and let me know. and then he said he went back around towards his car, did he not? in his statement. >> in his statement after he was told not to talk by the dispatcher, he says that he continued on to find a street sign and then went back to his
car. >> so he said before he knew anyone else saw or did not see what had happened, he gave a statement saying he went back to his car, correct? >> no. towards his car. >> sorry. you're right. he went towards his car. seemingly away from mr. martin, though, correct? >> that part of the interview i don't recall because i don't know that he indicated where martin was. >> did he tell you who started the fight? did he give you any indication what happened? >> no. >> not you. i apologize. are you aware of any information of the statements that he had given regarding that? >> yes. in those statements and
part of your foundation for come being up with this probable cause affidavit, what did he tell the officers? >> that he was the victim in this, and that it was martin that confronted him him and assaulted him. >> when cdid he say that when ws the first it time? >> the initial interview that was conducted at sanford police department. >> houw long after the event? >> within an hour and a half. >> had if been disclosed before he made that statement any information about what other evidence the police had gathered regarding this investigation? >> to him? >> yes. >> not to my knowledge. >> would it be safe to assume then in giving him, and him giving that statement to the police where he said i turned around and went back to my car and, two, that he was assaulted by mr. martin, when he gave that
statement, did he have any indication that there were or were not half a dozen witnesses who saw the whole thing? >> i have no knowledge of that. i havepe he picked up from other officers at the creescene. i know while reading reports that there were witnesses gathered around while at the scene. so i don't know what he picked up from overheard conversations. >> that statement that he had given law enforcement that day, that we just talked about, turning around and that he was assaulted, do you have any evidence in your investigation to date that specifically contradicts either of those two pieces of evidence that were in his statement several hours after the event?
>> which two? >> that he turned back to his car. we'll start with that one. >> i have nothing to indicate he did not or did not to that. >> my question with us do you have any evidence to contradict or that conflicts with his contention given before he knew df any of the evidence that would con pictuflict with the statement that he walked back towards his car? >> no. are you talking about at that point in time? >> since. today. do you have any evidence that conflicts with his suggestion that he had turned around and went back to his car? >> other than his statement, no. >> any evidence that conflicts with that. >> he had answered that. he said no. >> any evidence that conflicts any items, anything that
conflicts with the contention that mr. martin assaulted first? >> that contention that was given to us by him, other than filling in the figures being one polling or chasing the other one, as to who threw the first blow, no. >> okay. you know as one of the chief investigators that is the primary focus in this case, is it not? >> there are many focuses in this case. >> that would be considered the primary, would it not, in your opinion, 35 years experience? >> i don't know that it's primary. it's one of the concerns, yes.
>> nothing further. >> mr. gilbreath, i didn't know we were going to be trying the case -- i apologize. i'll add some questions. you had reviewed or other might bes of the team have intervient his interviews. and he gave numerous interviews to the police. >> yes. >> and isn't it true that a lot of statements that he made do in the make sense in terms of the injuries that he described, did he not describe to the police in a mr. martin had him on the ground and kept bashing his head over and over and physically beating him with his hands? >> he has said that, yes. >> and isn't it true there is evidence that indicates that's not true? >> yes. >> did the defendant also not state that -- or claim that the victim in this case, mr. martin,
put both hands one over his mouth and one over his nose so that he couldn't breathe? >> yes. >> and all of aed sudden that's when he was able to get true -- mr. martin was grabbing the gun, did he not climb that? >> yes. >> and wouldn't you agree that a lot of his statements can be contra ductdicted by the eviden either witnesses or what he says himself? >> yes. we'll have to jump away. we'll be back just as soon as we can. people with a machine.
back live to the bond hearing in sanford, florida. mark o'mara is doing another redirect of the state's attorney investigator. they're talking about what injuries george zimmer map hmano his head that night. let's listen. >> managed to scoot away from the concrete sidewalk at that point is when the shooting subsequently followed. that is not consistent with the evidence we found. >> the injuries seem to be consistent with his story, though, don't they 1234. >> the injuries are consistent
with a harder object striking the back of his head than his head was. >> could that be cement? >> could be. >> did you just say it was consistent or did you say it wasn't consistent? >> i said it was. >> okay. have you ever had your nose broken? >> no. >> you know that that was an injury that mr. zimmerman sustained, correct? >> i know in a that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. i haven't seen any medical records to indicate that. >> have you asked him for them? >> have i asked him for them? no. >> do you want a copy of them? >> sure. >> i'll give them to the state. if you haven't had them yet, i don't want to cross you on them. nothing further, thank you, your honor. >> i don't any further
questions. >> you're excited. anything further, mr. o'mara? >> no thank you. >> state anything further? >> no. >> argument? >> my client wants on make a statement to the court, your honor. >> you will be sworn in, please. [ sworn in ] >> please have a state, state your full name for the record. >> george michael zimmerman, zimmerm-i-m-m-e-r-m-a-
z-i-m-m-e-r-m-a-n. >> i think an inquiry is probably appropriate by the court due that he is a criminal defendant. >> you advised me that you wanted to make a short statement, is that correct? >> correct. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am. and i did not know that he was armed or not. >> nothing further, your honor. >> i'm sorry, sir, you're not really addressing that to the court. you're doing it here for the victim's family, is that correct? >> they are here in the court. >> i understand. but i thought you were going to address your honor, judge lester, not -- so that's really addressed to the family and where the media happens to be, correct? >> no, to the mother and the father. >> okay. and tell me, after you committed
this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that attempt to the police, sir? that you were sorry for what you've done or their loss? >> nos. >> you never stated that, did you? >> i don't remember what i said. i believe i did say that. >> you told that to the police? >> in one of the statements, i said i felt sorry for the family. >> you did. >> yes, sir. >> so that would be recorded because all those conversations were recorded, right? >> yes, sir. >> and you're sure you said that? >> i'm fairly certain. >> which officer did you tell that to? you made five statements i believe, total. >> yes, sir, i'm sorry, all the names run together. >> and do you remember if it was a male or a female? >> there were both males and females. >> at the time you made that statement that you were sorry? >> yes, sir. >> and you stated exactly what to those detectives? >> i don't remember exactly
verbatim. >> but you expressed concern for the loss of mr. martin, that you actually felt sorry for him 1234. >> i felt sorry that they lost their child, yes. >> and so you told detectives that you wanted them to convey that to the parents? >> i don't know if they were detectives or not. >> officers, i apologize. >> i didn't know that they were going to von kconvey it or not. i just made the statement. p. >> and you left a message for them to tell them that? >> no. >> why did you wait 50 something days to tell them? >> i don't understand the question. >> why did you wait so long to tell mr. martin and victim's mother, the father and mother, why did you wait so long to tell them? >> i was told not to communicate with them. >> so even through your attorney, you didn't ask to do it right away? your former attorneys or anything. >> i did ask them to express that to them. and they said that they were
going to. >> but before you committed this crime on february 26th, you were arrested -- i'm sorry, not arrested. you were questioned that day, right, february 26th? >> that evening into the 27th. >> and then the following morning. is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> and the following evening, too. >> yes, sir. >> fair to say you were questioned about four or five times? >> i remember giving three statements. >> and isn't it true when you were confront the aboedconfront saying you don't remember? >> outside the scope of direct. >> we'll give you a little leeway. >> isn't it true you were questioned about the contradictions in your statements that the police didn't believe it, that you would say i don't remember? >> i'll grant his motion at this time. >> thank you, your honors. >> would you agree you changed your story as it went along? >> absolutely not.
>> now, sir, you had a phone at some point and you agreed to turn over that phone to the police so they could make a coach of what was in there, right? >> and in that phone did you receive or send text messages. >> jeyes, sir. >> did you ever make reference to a reverend? >> outside the scope. >> sustained. >> cover make any conference to mr. martin it, the father of the victim? >> sustained. >> getting a bit far. >> he was asked in terms of apology to the family and i'd like to address that if i could. >> i think you can ask whether he said the apology. i don't want to get into other areas. >> my question is, mr. vimer man, do you recall sending a message to someone, an e-mail, about referring to the vehicle
testimo vehicle victim's father? >> no, i don't. >> is the kurt ruling that i can't ask him about the statements me to the police? i don't want to be trying to ask the question and objections being made. >> you can anticipate my ruling. >> thank you very much, your honor. i have no further questions. >> thank you. you may step down. >> any
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