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massive scale. >> wow. you sure it fairs all right in the story? >> it's a nice place. >> i'm from there so i've got to make sure. thank you very much. and check out the new book. obviously you say david frum talk about real people in real ways. sometimes fiction speaks louder than reality. thanks for watching. "anderson cooper 360" starts "anderson cooper 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we begin tonight keeping them honest with a political war that's broken out over the killing of osama bin laden and charges that president obama is exploiting it to win votes. charges he's now doing what he himself cried in the past on a number of occasions in fact. this is happening on the eve of the anniversary of the kill of osama bin laden and the day the world trade center became the world's tallest skyscraper. instead tonight there's open partisan warfare that began with
this ad narrated by bill clinton. >> it's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. he was referring to the hunt for osama bin laden. what did he mean by that? because it's generated a little controversy given osama bin laden's role in killing 3,000 americans on 9/11. >> he had to decide. and that's what you hire a president to do. you hire the president to make the calls when no one else can do it. >> obviously that wolf blitzer tape was part of the ad. it sparked interest from senator john mccain who says it diminishes the memory of 9/11 turned it into a cheap political attack. he said quote, this is the same president who once criticized hillary clinton for invoking bin
laden to score political points. and who said we shouldn't spike the ball after the touchdown. you can decide for yourself whether pointing to a key presidential accomplishment, the killing of bin laden a year after the event constitutes spiking the ball. but you can't deny he said those words. and keeping them honest. the obama campaign seems to be doing to mitt romney what was unacceptable when the clinton campaign was doing it to them. unacceptable to them. this is how they defended it this weekend. >> there's a difference in the roles they would play at comnder in chief. i think that's fair game. >> he's managed to turn it into a divisive attack. >> i think most americans will see it as sign of a desperate campaign. >> whatever you think of the politics surrounding the killing of bin laden but it has been
consistent with candidate obama's position to find bin laden. romney's position has changed. in 2007 he said it's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars to catch one person. it is worth fashioning and executing to defeat global violent jihad. and here's today. >> even jimmy carter would have given that order. >> it took president obama less than two hours to hit back this afternoon. >> i assume that people meant what they said when they said it. that's been at least my practice. i said that i'd go after bin laden if we had a clear shot at him and i did. if there are others who have
said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then i'd go ahead and let them explain it. >> at which point the romney campaign fired off a statement reading in part it's unfortunate president obama would prefer to use what was a good day for all americans as a cheap political ploy. they went on to say governor romney has always understood we need a comprehensive plan to deal with the threats america faces. spokesman ben labolt saying when did romney outline that counterterrorism policy? al qaeda wasn't mentioned in any of his policy speeches. paul begala is now advising the president obama super pac. now his critics say he's using it in his own campaign ads.
isn't b that a flip-flop? >> sure. but there's a difference. back then it was a hypothetical debate. and he didn't like hillary clinton saying. he said if we have actual intelligence about a high value terrorist target and president musharraf won't act, we will. when he said that he was attacked by mccain, clinton, and romney. romney called those ill timed and i do not concur. they attacked obama for saying he would go into pakistan to kill bin laden. the president kept his word. this is a legitimate accomplishment and impressive accomplishment. i just think senator mccain is an honorable guy. i have no criticism for him. but for some of my friends from the bush administration, one of their first ads showed a flag draped body being carried out of the world trade center.
i think that was beyond the line. this is a legitimate triumph that the president led and has a right to claim credit. >> ari is that what this is? a legitimate triumph? >> if that's all it is, i would say this is absolutely what he should do. and i think president obama has every right to make his case about how he's keeping us safe. he should brag about the killing of osama bin laden up to a point. where he crossed the line is by taking the one-year anniversary and turning it partisan by attacking romney on it. every president who gets intelligence like that, you're sending in the stars. you're sending in the s.e.a.l.s. different from what mitt romney said. the president shouldn't have attacked mitt romney. think about how much better it would have been if he marked the
anniversary by inviting george w. bush, former president clinton, along with navy s.e.a.l.s and operatives to get the accomplishment. and thanked all of them in a private moment. that would have kept this a bipartisan moment. president obama missed that opportunity. i think he blew it. he had the chance to elevate the nation about the killing of bin laden and he blew it by turning it into an attack on mitt romney. >> paul, has he politicized this? >> romney attacked senator obama when senator obama said he would go into pakistan. then romney said he would not move heaven and earth. president obama came into office and he reorganized the bin laden unit in langley. he made them work more closely with tampa, the central command in tampa. with the forces in kabul.
he moved heaven and earth. he reorganized. president bush said bin laden was just one person and i don't spend much time with him. five years he was saying to fred barnes and i quote, not a top priority use of american resources. president obama had a different view. he made getting bin laden a top priority and he made a call that bob gates who served president bush and president obama called the gutsiest call he could make. now romney saying anybody would have done it is not by the stated positions of governor romney and the lack of actions by president bush. >> ari? >> it's amazing paul still can't be gracious about it. the fact of the matter is if president obama had not flip-flopped on the very thing he criticized president bush for, enhanced techniques and detention. those were the techniques the cia used under president bush
that led years later to the ability to track. i praised the president for that. but this is where people -- both parties especially the cia deserves the credit and especially the navy s.e.a.l.s. but attacking mitt romney over it when it's not what mitt romney said. it was so unnecessary, anderson. my point is it's revealing about president obama's character. when he ran in 2008 as the post-partisan as someone who would bring us together. there is nothing post-partisan about him. if there's ever an occasion, it is the anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden. he had everything to bring us together but he chose to split us once more. >> do you buy the enhanced technique it is what critics called torture is what led to the killing of bin laden? >> i'm no expert and nor is fleischer. i did look up what one expert
says at least. mark fallon who is a former special agent in charge of criminal investigation task force at guantanamo bay he said some event in water boarding years ago led to this is a disservice to our service members. a whole lot of experts. this is for the experts. the experts say that's not the case. by the way they were water boarding under bush and they did not get bin laden. those are two facts we know. bush stopped the water boarding and -- >> the technique was not water boarding in this instance. it was indefinite detention and another technique. the person was interviewed sunday night of the cia who just wrote a book about all this. >> that's the guy who also destroyed the videotape. that's the guy who also destroyed the tapes of the interrogation. >> that's correct. >> right. >> but that doesn't change the facts of what information was
derived that helped get bin laden. but the point again is the cia professionals did this, the navy s.e.a.l.s did this, president clinton did his best unsuccessfully, president bush did his best unsuccessfully. president obama was able to get something his predecessors hadn't. i'm proud of president obama for that. >> the president should get the credit because he -- i'm sorry. >> he could have taken credit for it without attacking mitt romney. that's where he messed up. if he wants to attack mitt romney in october, he would have been in higher ground. using the anniversary of killing bin laden was a mistake. president obama has showed there's nothing post-partisan about him. >> we've got to leave it there. thanks. tell us what you think. we're on facebook, twitter, google plus. two exclusives tonight both on al qaeda. tell you about al qaeda planning to target cruise ships and how
the plans came to light. it's fascinating. secret al qaeda documents on a memory stick inside of somebody. it's fascinating stuff. we have that exclusive report. also peter bergen is here to talk about the exclusive access he got to osama bin laden's compound. two stories you'll see only here on "360." those surprising little things she does
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organization. and their trial continues. and that would make sense. the documents reveal how al qaeda isn't just focused on the big catastrophic attack. >> they also seem to be convinced that al qaeda should be going for a strategy of low cost, low damage attacks and large scale attacks. >> like the 9/11 attacks. >> yes. the reason being that if al qaeda were to pursue only large scale attacks and those are foiled, then they have nothing. >> indeed, a year after these documents were written, european intelligence agencies were scrambling to investigate a mumbai style squad rounding up a base in germany and an unprecedented travel warning for americans in europe. >>. >> would i say europe was off the table? no. but i believe he's still alive.
and i believe as soon as al qaeda believes they have the path to go after, they will do it. >> expected to last several more beaks. the case appears to be more proof that it's still active. the carnage in europe, al qaeda has not changed its position. berlin, germany. >> ambitions are one thing. what german authorities doesn't begin to cover it all. remember when they raided the compound, they came away with thousands of documents of data. in that interview bin laden declared war on the united states. more recently retained access to the compound. he's out with a fascinating new book "man hunt." it takes you inside the search and killing of osama bin laden.
what are their capabilities? how capable are they of pulling off small and big attacks? >> i think they're capabilities are pretty limited. one of the -- i was given to bin laden's own writings. there were 6,000 documents. some of them are being declassified. they haven't been published yet. the picture that emerges is kill president obama, kill general petraeus. his guys are saying wait a minute we're under pressure from the drones. >> they say the drones in particular? >> the drones are interesting. bin laden writes a 48 page memo. a lot is how he's worried about the drones. many of his people have been killed. he's asking his people to move to remote parts of afghanistan. and his 20-year-old son living in pakistan's tribal regions, he's urging him to move to
gutter. it is the richest country in the world per capita. >> he wants him to move there for his safety. >> yeah. the drones are having a huge impact. so they were very conscious eternally. but the drones were causing them problems. bin laden was aware that the brand was tarnished. he urged not to use al qaeda name because it would be bad for funding. if you take the picture from the documents are i was able to look at from the compound, it's an organization in great disarray. they understood it themselves. >> you actually got access to this compound. there was still blood on the ceiling, right? >> yeah. i looked up in the third floor bedroom and i thought this would be like going to hit this bunker. instead it was like visiting somebody's not very nice suburban compound. and you can see where the navy s.e.a.l.s shot bin laden in the
face. and there was patterns of blood on the ceiling. it was pretty low. he was about 6'4" and the ceiling was seven foot. i looked at his toilet. it was a tiny little room. tiny little kitchen. the whole picture of the house was one of confining, not uncomfortable, but not a mansion. >> you also noticed some just for men hair dye. >> yeah. this guy, we know he was dyeing his hair and his beard. but on the shelf in the bedroom and the whole thing had been left as a crime scene. i was the only real outsider to get in. it was a pakistani version of just for men in his bedroom along with some medicines and vitamins and these kinds of things. >> i want to ask you about the conversation we had with paul begala and ari fleischer talking about techniques and whether that led to the raid on the
compound. >> wikileaks is a good source on this. we have the summaries of the interrogations of the key people who gave up information. and two al qaeda sort of senior people gave information that indicated the courier was important. two said that the courier wasn't important after they'd been interrogated. and they produced very conflicting information. so i mean, i think it's a very kind of gray picture. a lot of the other -- the ways that the courier was found getting his real name from another country was vital. he had a variety of aliases. getting his cell phone and able to locate it. getting a human spy on the ground where he was to follow him back to the compound. all those things were vital. coercive interrogations are a small part of this as are
uncoerced interrogations. there's a bit of ammo for either side. >> and -- i mean, you spent a lot of time in pakistan researching the book. it really takes you inside both the compound and the planning of it over the years. but what about the idea that somebody attacked -- somebody in pakistan must have known. >> it's hard to prove negatives. but there are 6,000 documents recovered from this compound. our relations with the pakistani government were not so great. there is no smoking gun. i spoke to multiple people familiar with the intelligence. and i spoke to people with the pakistanis that night. and the main reaction from them was surprise. "3" so, you know, the other thing is bin laden was a very paranoid disciplined guy. i found out there were people living in the compound that
didn't know he was there. >> on the compound? >> yeah. one of the wives of one of the couriers. she had no idea who he was. she lived there for years with him. so the idea that other people could have known, it doesn't hold water. >> the book is "man hunt." fascinating. thank you and congratulations. the book is out tomorrow in bookstores. i recommend it. a dramatic day in the john edwards trial to tell you about tonight. there's been so much speculation over any part of that tape will surface in the courtroom. the judge ruled on that. details ahead. [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day
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crime and punishment now. the judge in john edwards' trial today cleared the way for the sex tape with his mistress rielle hunter. that came after testimony of the wife of andrew young. sherri young said she was disgusted by the plan to hide the pregnancy and didn't want to go with it. mrs. young said she only agreed to help edwards after edwards personally assured her that the scheme was legal. she testified about edwards tone saying quote, she was very short and very angry. told her to quote, get the money in. she also described the stress of being involved in the scheme and how she sat in the car shaking
and quote, on the way to get cash for hunter's expenses. hunter later moved in with the young and they moved to get out of sight. the judge temporarily dismissed the jury. i understand that sex tape was the subject of discussion in court today. what happened on it? >> that's right, anderson. it's clear that tape is not going to be shown to the jury. but it's also clear that the defense really wants the opportunity, the availability, if you will to bring the tape up as a topic of information as necessary. and to ask questions of andrew young about where he got to tape. whether he stole that tape. if he was planning on selling that tape. all of these are questions that would be used to impeach a witness if they need to towards the end of the trial. >> what was it mrs. young broke down over on the stand?
>> this was sort of the turning point where she was being asked and had to give an answer about how she decided it would be okay to say that her husband, the father of her three children had actually fathered an ill legitimate child with his mistress. she was describing a conference call with herself, hunter, as well as edwards. she's being encouraged to say it'd be okay for her husband. she broke down. then when the jury came bax she said the big answer for. the big answer was she did not want to explode the campaign, the john edwards presidential campaign so she said she would go along with the coverup. >> the whole thing is so bizarre. the whole thought that they go off on this cross country trip to try to kind of stay below the
radar. she talked about those bizarre moments today. >> that's absolutely right. and they went from city to city all the way across the country and twice to aspen, colorado. there's this one occasion in aspen where she ordered a ruben sandwich. and she picked up her cell phone and call her spiritual adviser according to the wife of andrew young. call her spiritual adviser on the west coast, speak to him, and try to get him to fix it. even though he wasn't there. she left a message. so a very sort of bizarre behavior, if you will, described of rielle hunter. >> is she going to testify? >> we're told there's a good chance she's going to testify. it's hard to see how she won't testify. she's sort of the big story in the room that's untold.
>> appreciate it. thanks. we're following up on other stories. isha is here with a 360 bulletin. >> a dramatic situation has developed over the whereabouts of chen. the reports he's at the u.s. embassy in china. twin car bombs exploded in isl islip. dozens of people were injured. the installation of a beam officially made one world trade center the tallest in the city. it passes the empire state building by 21 feet. when construction is complete, it's expected to be more than 1700 feet tall. a momentous day in the
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♪ i'm so in love i toldly had that. seriously kwb guys. what am i doing here? i'm the president of the united states and i'm opening for jimmy kimmel? i have the nuclear codes, why am i telling knock knock jokes to kim kardashian? >> it's great to be here this evening in the vast magnificent hilton ballroom. or what mitt romney would call a little fixer upper. >> he told me this would be a very high profile event with some of the most powerful people in the world. they did not tell me i'd be looking directly into sophia vergara's cleavage. sophia is from colombia. this is what women look like in colombia. what do you expect the secret service to do? mr. president, i know you won't be able to laugh at any of my jokes about the secret service, so cover your ears if that's
physically possible. mr. president, you remember when the country rallied around you in hopes of a better tomorrow? that was hilarious. you know, there's a term for guys like president obama. probably not two terms, but -- kind of hard to be funny with the president of the united states sitting next to you looking at you. yet day in and day out joe biden manages to do it. i want to thank mr. mills my tenth grade teacher who said i'd never amount to anything if i kept screwing around in class. mr. mills, i'm about to high five the president of the united states. eat it, mills. >> well, fyi, kim kardashian was sitting at the front of the ballroom. she was just one of the many famous names in the crowd. not an easy crowd for any comic. i spoke earlier to kimmel. every time i talk to somebody
who's done this event, they say it's a difficult crowd. how different was it than what you expected? >> well, it was pretty much exactly what i expected, but that doesn't change the fact it is a difficult crowd. because about half the crowd feels like they can't laugh at your jokes. and the other half feels like they can't laugh at the other jokes. then the journalists depending upon where they're sitting are nervous about laughing in front of the people about whom the jokes are being made. so it's not exactly the ideal comedy environment. >> yeah. i went once and i refuse to go again. i will watch it on tv or online. it's also like 3,000 people. it just seems like a nightmare. i imagine for you it's hard enough following the president, but following a president who was actually very funny has got to be hard. >> yeah. well, you know, actually i think it's better. if the president bombs, people are going to be in a weird mood. i think it helps that the president was funny. >> i want to play a clip of
something president obama said kind of teasing you. >> our chaperon for the evening is jimmy kimmel. who's perfect for the job since most of tonight's audience is in his key demographic. people who fall asleep during "nightline." >> i'm sure you been insulted a lot over the years. being insult by the president has got to feel special. >> i felt that was a pretty accurate account of the people watching my show. i don't know if that was an insult or a fact. >> were there any jokes you killed because they were too edgy or you got cold feet on them? >> yeah. some things played better than others. some people like the simpler jokes. i had a lot of inside jokes that maybe i skipped by a little bit because people seemed to be squarely focused on kim
kardashian. i cut jokes i thought was offensive. did you want to hear? >> absolutely. >> okay. all right. maybe not offensive. to me they're not offensive, but others told me they might be offensive. rick santorum is like the college roommate who wouldn't leave you when your girlfriend came over but he wanted to secretly stay. i'm going to try another one. i happen to know why the president's ears are so big. it's to create the illusion he's listening. >> the joke that got a lot of laughs from mr. obama was when he talked about covering his ears if it's physically possible. >> it's funny. the third grade jokes get the best reaction. here's one. chris christie is a popular choice for the vp slot. originally they wanted him to run for office. he said his art wasn't in it. maybe your next heart would be
in it. >> you had a lot of christie jokes. >> you must be a lot of fun at parties, anderson. >> i am. >> i did have a lot of chris christie jokes. he was literally the elephant in the room. what are you going to do? not even wearing pants. >> that's true. i'm wearing jeans. what's it like sitting next to the first lady? you have to sit throughout the dinner knowing you're not doing this until the end of the night? that's got to be a nightmare. what do you chat about? >> in a way it relaxed me. she's very nice. and after about five minutes of talking to her, you realize you're just talking to another person. believe it or not, that calmed me down about the fact i had to get up and do jokes to an audience that reacts like you. >> i'm sorry about that. i want to -- when i go back to my office, i will be breaking
out laughing. >> oh, yeah. if i was there to tickle you, you'd be hysterical. >> exactly. you don't want me laughing. i giggle like a 12-year-old girl meeting justin bieber for the first time. >> once you start it never stops. >> it never stops. i want to play something you said about cnn too. >> where's the cnn tables? are the cnn tables real tables or virtual tables? there you are. every election year cnn comes up with new and increasingly amazing technology. they have the magic wall this year, the hologram four years ago. yet with all their technical wizardry, they haven't found out to make james carville a way to look like a less boiled cat. >> that i can laugh at. he's on contract. >> let me say this. the hd, you look great always. you are the silver fox. but the hd is not helping the folks at cnn. just go back to d.
>> we may go back to d. there's also some fallout every year always with donald trump who didn't seem to enjoy it. this year seems like the strongest reaction was from keith olbermann. i want to play what you said first. >> it's time for the fun part of the evening. i'd like everyone to look under your seats. under each one you will find a copy of keith olbermann's resume. is keith here tonight? limo wouldn't pick him up? the thing about keith olbermann is he's so likable. >> now, he responded on twitter which i think is the only media form he still has access to that basically the reason you made fun of him was to get revenge for him not doing your show. do you have any response to that? is that true? >> honestly, i swear i'm being honest. i had no idea they asked him to do the show. i know they were looking for a guest and they called a bunch of
people. i don't know. i didn't really mean anything particular against keith. he was one of the people in the news this year. and so he was -- i don't think i made any more fun of him than i did anyone else. >> i didn't think you were picking on him. it just seemed like -- given the venue, it seemed the appropriate thing to do. >> yes. but he proved how likable he is with that tweet. >> yes. exactly. nothing like the ability to laugh at one's self. i thought you did a great job. thank you for being on. i appreciate it. >> thanks anderson. i'm glad i could get you laughing hard. >> jimmy kimmel will be right back. but next serious stuff. an update on the animals the suicidal suicidal owner set free last fall. details ahead. c'mon dad!
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time now for the ridiculist. i don't know if you're aware of this, but there have been a few occasions during this part of the show where i've had trouble and haven't been able to stop laughing especially when certain words come up. like asphalt. highbrow stuff. i only hope we could have a ridiculist by -- i'm not proud of it, but i can't help it. i have the sense of humor of a 12-year-old. jimmy kimmel has a theory. watch this. >> this is from "ac 360"'s show on cnn. he does a thing called the ridiculist. i guess to end things on a light
the word pussy willow is not that funny. no word is that funny. nothing has ever been that funny. i'd like to see drug tests all around. get a sample from wolf blitzer while you're at it. he's starting to look like the guy on the zigzag pact. >> let's look at that of which he speaks. there might be a slight resemblance. the zigzag guy might look younger. it's hard to tell. i was talking to jimmy earlier about the speech at the white house correspondents' dinner. i asked him about his theory of my outbursts. >> let me get this straight. the man who started badgering the president of the united states about legalizing marijuana, you're accusing me of being high. >> i'm not accusing i'm just trying to explain that. maybe you're secretly anderson coop dogg. i'd love to believe you're high