tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 15, 2012 1:00am-2:00am PDT
i know the creator will go, but his work survives, that is why to escape death i attempt to bind my soul to my work. michael jackson did not escape death, but his soul does live on in the music and art he created and above all, the lives he touched and forever changed. that's all for us tonight. ac 360 starts now. some of the 33,000 young men, women and children who fled syria and found refuge here in turkey. 50,000 have fled other countries as well. we came here tonight because we want you to hear the voices and the people here in this camp, voices of the regime of bashir al-assad who has for 14 months tried to silence with batons, bullets, mortars and murder. these are men, women and children who 14 months ago began raising their voices for change,
reform, an end to corruption and discrimination. basic freedoms that most of us in the world take for granted. they spoke out peacefully demonstrated for peace in syria. they were met with tear gas, tanks and torture. there's no more talk of peace, reform. now they fight back. they will not stop until bashar al-assad and his regime of lies has stopped. just over 300 yards from where i'm standing is the syrian border. you can see light in the distance, that is syria. that's how close we are. the syrian regime does not want us here. they refused our request for visas to enter syria as they have for many months. we wanted to come so that you could hear the voices that they have tried so long to silence, children who have lost their parents, mothers and fathers who have seen their kids shot to death in the streets in front of them. the refugee camps here in turkey are well run. they're probably the nicest refugee camps i have seen. they are miserable places because all the people here have lost loved ones.
their lives are now in limbo. for the past 2 days we've been visiting camps, speaking with the refugees, ivan watson snuck into syria yesterday to an area controlled by the free syrian army. we'll show you his report and talk to him. a u.n. backed cease fire went into effect on april 12th, one month ago. it's a cease fire in name only. every day, including today, there have been more deaths. 9,000 dead in 14 months according to the u.n. the opposition says it's closer to 11,000 people. so many deaths and arrests. 14 months into this fight and the death toll has risen. numbers on a ledger. numbers on a news ticker with no names and no faces. numbers that most of you don't even pay attention to anymore. the fathers and mothers and children here tonight though, they want you to know their names. they want you to know that they are not numbers. some of them are too scared to show their faces, but many of
you want to see their faces to know their loss and struggle. there's been new fighting today and this weekend in an area held by the opposition. regime forces have attacked. new images from there. a young girl in a yellow dress crying out in pain. a wounded young boy says he wants assad to die. as you watch the following videos, keep in mind the regime of bashir al-assad says they are observing a cease fire. a free syrian army they call themselves through the rocket propelled grenades. they're outgunned, outmanned. the opposition says at least 23 government soldiers were killed today and three armored personnel carriers destroyed. elsewhere in homs city a syrian tank rolls down the street a among bombed out buildings. in hama today tanks rolled in and heavy gunfire ensued. we can't independently confirm the videos. they're uploaded on youtube by
activists. for months there's been concerns that violence will spill into neighboring countries. this weekend we saw that happening in tripoli, lebanon's second largest city, it pitted antiassad people against each other. at least seven people were killed in lebanon. every day in syria more syrian citizens die and flee to refugee camps. more syrian citizens are wounded, arrested, disappear. even in the hospital the injured are not safe. there's no haven anywhere. we're getting new evidence tonight from the group doctors without borders that they're being targeted. they're the medical workers that are trying to give them desperately needed care. doctors without borders spoke in idlib, quote, being caught with patients is like being caught with a weapon. doctors have to work in secret as quickly as they can. the wounded are treated in make shift clinics, not in government
hospitals, we they look for wounded to arrest and torture. syrian refugees have found safety here in these camps across the border in turkey. about 1500 men and women live here at this tent camp. it's been open since last june. many of them have been here for a year. the largest refugee camp in turkey houses 9,000. we've been to a lot of refugee camps over the years. these are some of the cleanest and best run i've seen. they are places of misery. if the numbers continue to grow, so will the burden on turkey. more than 120 syrians arrived today. there are supplies, blankets and tents. the syrian refugees in these camps could use more support and hope. here is a little bit of what we've seen in the last two days.
>> translator: here is a photo of his dead grandson. he has no words. grief is all he has left. pictures of the dead are everywhere in these syrian refugee camps. fathers show you their dead sons on cell phones, ask you to watch grainy videos of their children's funerals. no family it seems has escaped syria unscathed. >> reporter: who is this? >>. >> reporter: in a tent she calls home, she shows me pictures of her two brothers, both shot during demonstrations nearly a year ago. hue old is he? >> 34. >> 34. >> reporter: after her brothers were killed she thread with her parents and five other family members to this tent camp. her father teld me he has another son who's missing. they think he's been arrested but has no idea if he's still alive. >> translator: we had young men that cried out and shouted for freedom, he says, and they were killed just for that. we just want freedom.
what's wrong with asking for freedom? >> reporter: in his arms, his missing son's seven month old son, a boy who has never seen his father. he was born after when his father was in prison, he says. we named him after his martyred uncle, iam. no one believes they can return soon. no one will return until bashir al-assad's regime has fallen. they wait here hoping someone will take notice. kids have gbegun classes. they've learned the heartbreaking sadness. joining me is ivan watson and a president at stanford university. professor, you've been to these camps before. the people here have great dignity. they're trying to hold their head up, but they really do feel abandoned by much of the world. >> they feel, exactly, they use
the world forsake ken before. i was here before but i did not have a camera with me. i came with with a notepad. the camera is a different instrument and creature. they want the world to bear witness. they want the world to hear them. the camera in a way, this he have this relationship to it. they are drawn to it because, in fact, they remain convinced that should the people know about them, should the people of the world see what they have suffered, should they understand that they're not terrorists, not al qaeda, many are telling you, look, we have nothing to do with al qaeda. one man told you, look, we don't even have rifles in our town let alone heavy weapons. so they want the world to understand them and they want the world to bear witness and i think they also see the camera as a way of holding on to the memory of this lost world, the world that is very achingly close. it's very close to here but it has not yet helped them. >> i have van, we've seen a lot
of fighting. you went across the border. what is the status of the battle? it seems like neither side is able to get a victory. >> some kind of a stalemate. when the syrian army rolls in they have the tanks, helicopters, big guns. eventually they plow through and in some cases destroy everything in their path. the rebels retreat. when the syrian army retreats, then the people come back. it's insurgency, counter insurgency tactics. the syrian government has clearly lost the support of the people in broad squads of territory, and that's the stalemate that we've got. >> there had been talk about qatar, saudi arabia giving support to the opposition. u.s. has talked about giving communications equipment to the fighters. have you seen that? have the fighters you've talked to said they're receiving that. >> we're hearing about trickles of equipment coming through, perhaps of weapons coming through, but for the most part
the fighters say we're not getting any help. we're having to sell our own cows, our wife's gold and cars to try to buy bullets and guns. the strange thing is that the cost of those weapons and bullets has gone down considerably, by half, over the last month. i'm not quite sure why. many of them say they buy these weapons from the syrian militias, the government militias and from the soldiers themselves which is very interesting. it says something about the morale in bashar al-assad's forces. >> we've been talking to the people throughout the day and we've been asking about morale and they say it's low. >> no one's expecting this rebellion to last so long. when the syrians look at what happened in tunisia, it took two weeks. in egypt, 18 days later it was gone. in libya, it was a little more drown on. here we are 14 months later and
these people have no hope. the tie will have to be broken by the international community, by nato, by outside powers because what you have here is an irresist i believe force clashing with an immovable object. this trip has taught me that the bonds between the regime and the people are broken. these horror stories, the rapes, the abuse, the plubder, the burning of homes, the burning of corpses, there is nothing that remains. when the international community talks about the kofi annan plan, this is all a fraud. this is all a fraud. i think this is what this trip has made amply clear. >> we're going to talk to senator john mccain who is calling for greater international involvement. there are many people in the united states who tire of this. they say, look, you're throwing weapons into a powder keg, a dangerous situation. we don't know fully. there may be jihadist elements.
>> if there are jihadist elements, it's a great share of the blame that comes from the international rescue. when the cavalry of the good guys, nato, the united nations didn't come, people have to fend for themselves, that's it. >> we're going to have a lot more throughout this hour. as the violence continues in syria, some are asking where is the international community, the united states? we'll talk to senator john mccain and he's flat out saying where is president obama.
welcome back. we're live from the turkish syrian border refugee camp. this is what the so called cease fire looks like across syria. the violence in the cities and towns too dangerous to live in. civilian neighborhoods have been decimated. artillery fire, mortar fire, sniper fire. some 23,000 have fled to turkey. there are some 70,000, 50,000 who have fled to other countries, lebanon, iraq. "syria deadly lives." this alleged cease fire brokered by the special envoy kofi annan. this went into effect april 12th. since then opposition groups claim more than 1,000 syrians have been killed in the last month.
the syrian regime won't let us in to confirm the numbers. the regime claims the cease fire has been broken by what they call armed terrorists. that's what they've called anybody who spoke out against the regime for the last 14 months. here's what susan wright said when i asked her that, the syrian government maintains that this cease fire was broken by, quote, armed terrorists and they say the campaign of violence by them has, quote, hysterically escalated since the cease fire was supposed to go into effect this past thursday. you deal with syrian representatives all the time. i've had them on this program. they've said things that are not true. they've lied. they've said things which are demonstrably true time and time again. do they have any credibility to you? i don't even know if you can say that? >> no, they don't. let's be plain. you're right, they have lied to the international community, lied to their own people and the biggest -- the biggest fabricator of the facts is assad
himself. his representatives are merely doing his bidding and under probably some not insignificant personal duress but, no, words as we have said repeatedly are meaningless. the actions are what matter and the actions thus far have continued to disappoint. >> one of the most outspoken critics are the syrian regime of the u.n. and cease fire plan and even of the obama administration. senator john mccain has visited these camps along with joe lieberman. i spoke with senator mccain. senator mccain, obviously the kofi annan cease fire has not happened. last week on thursday u.s. ambassador to the u.n., susan rice, says it's too early to call it a failure. do you agree? >> i think it's shameful. i think it's shameful to use this as an excuse for us not acting. you're on the ground. you've seen the camps, you've heard the stories of the rapes,
murders, killing, that's a policy that bashar al-assad is using to kill his fellow citizens and somehow place any hope or reason for delay for acting on the kofi annan plan is intellectually dishonest and shameful. >> what do you want to see the united states do? i've been get that go question now for the last few days from just about everybody i meet wanting to know what the u.s. doing? where is the international community? what do you think the u.s. should do or the international community do? >> first of all, lead. where's the president of the united states? when's the last time the president of the united states spoken to the american people about how terrible this situation is. also from a national security stand point, removal of bashar al-assad is a huge blow to iran. the important thing is our advocacy and belief in human rights. what they need first of all is weapons to defend themselves.
non-lethal equipment as the secretary of state and others have pledged doesn't do very well against tanks and artillery. then we need to talk with our allies about a sanctuary, a place where the government can organize, where we can train and equip these forces so that we can have a firefight. remember again, we can't stop reminding people that it is russian equipment and iranians that are killing sir yans in an unfair fight. shouldn't we give them a chance to defend themselves and their freedom? finally, i believe that more moral leadership on the part of the united states is clearly called for. >> ambassador wright in wake of the suicide attacks for the two bombings in damascus last week said it's a very militarized environment and pouring more weapons in is not the clugs solution. the. >> the weapons are pouring in
against the people who started out peacefully demonstrating nearly a year ago. you have seen the signs of it. i have warned about it. the longer this fight drags out, the more likely it is that foreign elements, including al qaeda, could ten err the fight. i still don't believe that they could hijack the revolution because these people are direct contradiction to al qaeda, at least in their beginnings and their actions. so for us -- by the way, aren't we running out of adjectives from ambassador rice and from secretary of state and others appalling, angry, unacceptable, da da da da da? aren't we running out of adjectives and adverbs? isn't it time that we acted and stood up on behalf of these people? so it's -- you know, i used to get angry. now i just get sad. >> for 14 months now since this up rising began, as you well know, the regime of bashar al-assad has said these are
armed terrorist groups, al qaeda, the muslim brotherhood, any number of jihadist elnlemen. now in recent weeks some intelligence officials are saying it does seem like some element of foreign fighters. the twin bombings in damascus. how concerned are you that there might be elements in this opposition? >> i think there are elements there. there are elements of the muslim brotherhood. we have found that there are different shades of the muslim brotherhood. some of them obviously antithey the aibt they the particular call. you have to expect them to come in if there is not a success. i still am convinced, i am firmly convinced that this revolution is firmly based in
what all human yearnings are all about. they are the exact opposition of al qaeda. they started out peacefully demonstrating until they were slaughtered in the streets. al qaeda believes in acts of terror to bring about changes of regime. i am confident that if these people are given a chance, that you will see them go with a lot of difficulties but you will see them go in the right direction. and i don't fear al qaeda takeover or extremist takeover nearly as much as i fear what is occurring now, and that is bashar al-assad's success in subduing these people through systematic rape, torture, and murder. >> senator, i know you were in these camps with senator lieberman. i'm curious what your answer was to people. i've had so many people say to me, where is the world? the world has been watching this happen and people cannot say they didn't know about it because we've all seen the videos even though reporters
haven't been allowed in much over the last 14 morchlts. at great risks themselves, activists have uploaded videos of the slaut terse, tilgs. people say, the world knows what's happening. where is the international community. i assume people said that to you? what do you respond to them because frankly i'm not sure what to say. >> well, you're a journalist. you have to maintain a certain level of objectivity although it's very clear that journalists have given their very lives in order to bring the message out of what's going on in syria. and we honor their memories and we thank god there are brave people like them. i assure these people in the camps that i will go back and i will tell my colleagues, i will give speeches, i will do anything that i can to motivate the world and especially with the leadership of the united states, which is sadly lacking right now, to bring about some assistance to them so at least
they can be in a fair fight. i promise them my commitment and, frankly, i sleep a lot better having made that commitment. >> senator mccain, i appreciate you being with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you, and, anderson, be safe. thank you for all you're doing. >> we're calling this special report tonight "deadly lies." lies is a word journalists don't often use. i think it's a word that accurately describes what this syrian regime has been telling the world for the last 14 months. we've had numerous syrian diplomats on our program and they've said things that were factually not true, they were lies. reed kcolvin, a journalist who was killed in syria, hours before she died, in a conversation with me she also used those words, lies. that's a word i know we get criticized for using from time
to time, but we're going to continue to use it because what the regime is telling you is happening, what they say is happening is not the truth. if the assad regime doesn't kill syrians inside the country, it's trying to murder them by mining the border with turkey before they can escape safety. that part of the story next.
defiant opposition fighters have been able to hold on to some syrian towns to stop the government from moving in. they're determined to fight against all odds to keep what they have. we'll meet some of them, people from one village ahead. hello bobby. do you know you could save hundreds on car insurance over the phone, online or at your local geico office? tell us bobby, what would you do with all those savings? hire a better ventriloquist. your lips are moving. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
as we reported time and again over the last 14 months, the syrian regime has been very restrictive of international reporters only allowing a few into the country, restricting their movement. frankly, why would they want the world to witness the wholesale murder it's committing against its own people? it should come as no surprise the regime is also trying to prevent syrians to cross the border into turkey. it should come as no surprise the regime will stop at nothing including land mines at the border. ivan watson has that part of the story. >> he has a secret.
here in the olive groves of turkey, just a stone's throw away from the syrian border, he's hidden away several styrofoam boxes. their contents are deadly. unexploded land mines. if you put pressure on the black trigger, he tells me, it will explode. experts say this is a pmn 2 antipersonnel mine. probably manufactured decades ago in the soviet union. but turkish authorities say syrian troops began planting these in new mine fields along the border earlier this winter. soon after he and several activist friends started digging the mines up. they removed more than 300 he claims in the last three months. >> nobody taught you how to pull this kind of mine out of the ground, right? >> translator: no. no. >> reporter: and this is why he's risking his life to remove
land mines. several weeks ago a mine blue off his right foot as he was trying to flee with his family from syria to turkey. >> translator: i protested against the syrian regime and then the security forces came to try to arrest me, he says, so i tried to smuggle my family out of the country. that's what led me to this fate. >> reporter: many of the more than 17,000 refugees currently living in turkey have relied on smugglers' pads to flee their country. the new mine fields have added yet another threat to an already perilous journey. at least 10 syrian land mine victims are currently being treated in turkish hospitals. he says he and his friends have been trying to clear the trails for the refugees. >> he's demonstrating how he's been digging up land mines on his own. he does not have any protective
equipment, armor whatsoever. no electronics, and his tool of choice is a kabob skewer. >> reporter: this is my duty he says. the refugees must have a safe place to escape to. he doesn't know what to do with the land mines he's unearthed. he's not trained to destroy them, so he hides them, once again, under the trees. he may be one of the bravest men you'll ever meet. >> ivan watson joins me. what's so remarkable about the story, it tells a larger story of what's been going on in syria, we've seen so many people who don't have training. this man is not a trained de-miner. the people who have been taking youtube videos are not trained journalists. the people who have been protesting have no experience protesting. they've grown up with repression their entire lives, and yet they have been able to put this
regime on its heels despite all the experts who early on a month into this were saying there's no way the assad regime is going to fall. it could fall because of people like him. >> that's right. this is true grassroots activism. that's how this began. >> how's he doing? >> i saw him today. on saturday morning he was going with five other men through the border fence to go pick up some refugees to bring them back before dawn and as he was holding the fence open his cousin stepped through and suddenly an explosion went off. >> stepped on a mine. >> stepped on a mine and a second later another mine exploded. two guys very seriously injured. the rest of the guys, including mazan was injured. he's got burns and shrapnel wounds on his leg. two of his guys, lost -- they had feet amputated and he's limping around. and he said he's determined as soon as he gets better to go back and start clearing up those
mines which he thinks the syrian army planted within the last ten days because that was a route that he had cleared before and that he knew to be open in the past. >> the professor is joining us as well. it is remarkable when you see this man with a kabob skewer poking around in the ground. he feels it's his duty. he's not being paid. >> the syrian people have crossed the rubicon. they cannot overthrow this regime. you've made that point. it's very true. not yet. but what is remarkable, a society like syria has had it with a bunch of killers and rapists, they've decided that the regime is finished for them. we met the man, we talked to him. a man of 75 grieving for his two grandsons who were killed. we met people of property. they did not rebell because in a way they were somehow or another prone to rebellion. they made the decision they cannot have this life of servitude. that's what the story is all
about. >> and yet, i mean, you know, we talked in the past in egypt about fear being defeated. >> yes. >> they are no longer afraid. >> yes. >> that's the extraordinary thing. we all wonder what would we do if the government was repressive and a dictator trued tried to rule over us. would we stand up? these people have been tested and they've answered. >> this rebellion surprised the syrian people and the rulers. bashar al-assad was sure that given what his father did to the people 30 years ago, they would never rise again. they surprised him and they found reservoirs of courage within themselves. >> we've seen that day in and day out for 14 months. ivan managed to get into syria over the weekend. he snuck across the border. this town was pummelled by the government. people who remain there remain defiant. we'll have that next.
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if it were up to us, tonight we'd be reporting from inside syria. syria's just right over there past where those lights are trying to bear witness ourselves to the truth on the ground. as we said, we applied for visas and syrian authorities acknowledged they've received them. that's all we've heard, radio silence as they continue to kill. it's now been a full month in the so-called cease fire went into effect. in truth, a cease fire has never really been anything more than words. opposition activists say more than 1,000 syrians have been killed in this last month under
this cease fire. it's true, the number of u.n. observers on the ground is approaching 200. it works out to about one observer for every 110,000 syrianss. earlier i spoke with a syrian activist who has repeatedly risked his life to talk to us. >> reporter: last time we talked there were more than 150 to 200 on the ground. has the situation changed? >> it has changed, at least the shelling on some areas. the shelling on homs is a bit less. the regime is playing games. wherever there are observers, they leave the place, stop shelling. since the beginning of the so-called cease fire. hundreds were killed despite the fact that observers are on the ground. we need maybe ten times the number of the united nations security council has sent.
>> i've heard reports that the regime is relying less on heavy artillery bombardments of civilian areas, they're going apartment to apartment arresting people, torture, the number of arrests has increased. can you confirm that? >> they are so crazy about arresting people. every day, every hour we hear about hundreds of people who are arrested. and especially they are focusing right now on any people, activists. they are just arresting them. they are very, very crazy now about arresting people. >> i talked to u.s. senator john mccain who supports greater military involvement in syria in support of the free syrian army and opposition forces. he expressed concern that the longer this goes on in the kind of current stalemate that it's in right now, the greater the chance of foreign fighters becoming involved, militant
groups, guy hadist groups, even al qaeda. there were two bombings in damascus last week that a militant group claimed responsibility for. are you seeing a greater role of jihadists in the opposition movement and are you concerned about it if you're seeing it? >> not at all. this is unfortunately the regime's story and some people abroad would like to believe it. right now there are no jihadists. i haven't seen any. now regarding the bombings that happened last thursday, no one in syria doubts that the regime who is behind it. >> do you feel -- do people you talk to feel abandoned by the world, abandoned by the international community? because in past years when they're in -- during the war in bosnia people would say -- or during, you are know, other wars people had said, we didn't know what was happening at the time, but we have all been watching for the past year what has been happening in syria every single
day. we've seen the videos. we've had reporters there from time to time when they can get in. do you feel forsaken? >> we are. it's not about feeling, i know we are abandoned by the world. the plan is wonderful, six points, really great. we are talking about trying to implement one of them. what about the rest of the five points? everybody is happy watching us being killed on daily basis. no nobody is -- nobody cares for us. everybody knows the story. it's okay. we know now the world is happy watching us being killed and we will do it on our own, even if it takes us ten years, we are in the streets and it will not change. we will not retreat. we will not give up. >> there's no going back? >> no way. you know, if we go back, this is just like committing suicide. with this regime if we say, stop, no revolution, they will crush us. we will just stay the rest of
our lives in jails. they are criminals. you've been seeing them. they have been killing us for the past 14 months. now if we stop, they will crush us and this is the chance, anderson. this is our chance of life to get our freedom. we've been dreaming of this moment for the past 40 years. no one can take this from us, no one. we have been dreaming of a moment where we can say in the street what we would like to say without harming anybody and now when this moment comes, believe me, not a single one in syria would lose such a chance. >> thank you. stay save. >> thank you very much, anderson. >> i think that's such a powerful phrase. this is our chance at life. you hear that from so many people here inside syria and those here in refugee camps on the turkish side of the border. there is no going back for so many people here, literally and if i can gur rativelily. so many western journalists have tried to cross into syria.
some have lost their lives reporting from inside syria. so many brave syrians have helped up cell phone cameras to document what they have seen with their own eyes. over the weekend our ivan watson crossed over from turkey into syria. here's what he found in one town where not only is the opposition not backing down, they actually control the town. >> reporter: the journey to syria starts with a brisk walk through olive groves. >> that's how you get into syria, through a hole in the fence. >> reporter: this is a country of rich rolling farm land that's in open revolt. in many towns the rebels are now in complete control. in one village a rebel occupies the desk where the police chief used to sit. >> reporter: the rebels claim they've forced out the security officers from this police station nearly two months ago. since then they've been using it
as a mini barracks for sleeping quarters. they've also been storing aid, bags of clothe that go have been donated from across the border in turkey. some of which are being stored here in the prison cell. . it's here that we meet fatimah, a homeless mother in mourning. she said three of her sons were killed in recent months while defending their village from the syrian army. a surviving son, basim, was shot through the leg. the family's now homeless. soldiers torched their house, fatimah says, and even shot her livestock. but the syrian's government vicious crackdown has done little to crush the local spirit of defiance. at school students burst into songs denouncing their president, even though his government still pays for their school books. >> classes are still here in session at schools in opposition
controlled syria. in a bizarre twist the teachers who were afraid to appear on camera for their own safety, they tell us despite the up rising and fighting, they still get their salaries every month from the syrian government. >> reporter: on a country road we find a band of syrian rebels making a show of force. many of these fighters from the so called free syrian army are defectors from the syrian security forces. >> we want freedom. our blood is expensive for these mountains, for these trees, for our freedom. our blood is cheap. >> reporter: the fighters have a prisoner. a 19-year-old boy they say they intercepted as he was on his way to perform his mandatory military service and the commander shows the documents to prove it. the prisoner gets an ultimatum. if you want your freedom, defect. the boy renounces the government and agrees to join the rebels.
the newest not so voluntary rebel recruit and a conflict that has no end in sight. >> ivan watson joins me. during the revolution in egypt, in tahrir square, we saw all kinds of people. the muslim brotherhood played a small role. in the wake of that they've come more into power. a lot of people will say, look, who are these fighters and are there really jihadists behind them who are going to come into power if they succeed? >> the guys i've seen tend to be community groups, university soldiers, police, i am starting to hear from activists, the people who started the protest from the very beginning, concerns that they're starting to see armed guys, criminals they describe them, some of them saying we're starting to see guys with beards who are questioning our religiousity.
i say lost. two of their sons were killed in protests. a third son has disappeared. they believe he's been arrested but they have not gotten any word of him since last june. so many lives in limbo here. thousands of syrians living in this tent camp just beyond the syria turkey border. "syria deadly lives" will continue. susan hendricks has a 360 news and business bulletin. >> anderson, thanks. the defense team for john edwards called its first witness today. the chief financial officer for edwards' 2008 political campaign. she says the campaign had nothing to do with it. they're a us coulded of using $1 million in donations to cover up his affair. florida's a. and m band will remain suspended. the school is working to clean up a hazing culture exposed by
the death of robert champion last year. fallout at jpmorgan chase. the firm said its chief investment officer, drew, has resigned. she lost a billion in the last two weeks. >> susan, thanks very much. we'll have more with ivan watson. the latest from inside syria next. meineke's personal pricing on brakes.
turkish syrian border. ivan watson and the professor are joining me. your final thoughts after being here? >> my final thoughts, i recommend to president obama to read the memoir of bill clinton. he looked back on his presidency and looked back on rwanda and felt the shame and guilt of having left the people of rwanda to suffer the way they did. i think president obama will reflect on the abdication of american power in the case of syria. >> ivan, you've been covering this for 14 months. >> i think what's striking is 14 months and every friday people come out and demonstrate and call for freedom and call for change. the kids come out, the men and the women. the fact that that momentum has kept up after all this time is truly incredible. one of the sad things, we don't know what the people in the middle think, you know, what the regime supporters think. we know what the die hard demonstrators think. we don'tw