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♪ tonight she's the secretary of state, wife of a former president and ran for the white house herself which is note hillary clinton. >> survive two years of campaign hell. where does that leave our family. >> hopefully in the white house. >> she doesn't just play a political animal, but has a few things to say about real politics. >> with olympi snow and chuck schumer, so many individuals i admire. >> the one thing you never thought he would do. >> a promise i made to myself
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when i was 10. here i am. >> russell brand, dangerous, outspoken and very, very funny. >> that's enough. we'll be right back. get off. >> russell brand. who knows what might happen. this is piers morgan tonight. good evening. our big story, imagine a world in which a first lady divorces a commander in chief. the president herself loses to a less experienced rival and becomes the secretary of state. ridiculous. anyway, this is the world of the guilty pleasure, political animals. who better. sigourney weaver made over 40 films that grossed $4 billion worldwide. she plays the toughest female character in movies of the alien films. another first lady, sigourney weaver, welcome. i wanted to interview you for a long time. >> i'm flattered and delighted
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to be here. >> $4 billion. that must make you feel great. >> i didn't know. now i know how to greet myself in the morning. >> this is the calling card. resume, $4 billion at the box office. >> what more do you need to know? >> let's talk about politics this. show that everyone is crazy for. very realistic. most people assume it's loosely based on hillary clinton's story. was that deliberate? >> if it was hillary's story i wouldn't have done it, as much as i admire her. as soon as i read it, i was hooked on elaine and her entire family i think it inspired not only by mrs. clinton, but madeleine albright. we had three very capable women secretaries of state, but we are
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not yet willing to entertain the notion of an actual woman president. >> why is that? >> that's one of the things our series is trying to find out. it's like when a woman actually says i believe i would be a good president, she is considered ambitious which in a woman is unattractive. it comes up in our show. i think in an interesting way. >> do you think it will change? america is changing too fast and all sorts of ways with gay marriage and other momentum. do you feel like the whole area to the concept of the female president may change quickly? >> i suppose it could, but you sound more optimistic than i feel. >> i am. i think there is a lot of smart women around. hillary clinton being a classical example of someone i could see being elected. >> i agree. we are almost 51% of the population and have 16% of the representation.
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the fact that women are not running for local office. although it's changing, it's a great change. women are very effective leaders and practical. we listen. we work together. we have a different approach to leading and participating. i think it's the kind of influence that would be very good to have in washington right now. >> you have a fascinating background. your father was nelson rockefeller's campaign manager long before he created the world's most famous television shows. do you remember that theory, his political life. >> i do because i was sent out into the street to campaign for rocky myself against nixon in the primary. when i was i think a teenager and i wasn't really aware of too much going on. i knew that i still am very aware that rockefeller is the kind of republican we don't
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really have anymore. the lefty republican. >> what did you make of nixon? what did it do to your view of politics. >> my father had a show called make me laugh. he decided for the first show to do it with three different senators. i guess the third gust, the concept of the show is they would ve different comedians like henna youngman pitching jokes and trying to make them laugh. nixon was the last and pitched one joke and no response. second joke and no response. there was a pause and nixon laughed. at the cocktail party, nixon came up to my father and said you know, pat, i didn't really need to laugh, but i thought i would look better if i did. >> that's a great impression. >> i don't know about that, but anyway i never forgot that story. my father who was a republican called nixon tricky dick every
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time he referred to him. that made an impression on me. >> was your father quietly smug when nixon came crashing down to prove him right? >> he was heartbroken for the country. he didn't want to see a republican be that stupid. especially nixon who was a brilliant man. >> it would be great to say america learned its lesson and politics cleaned up its act, but right now you see washington paralyzed. you see the emergence of what to me as john mccain told me, it is surely a recipe for scandalous disaster. the super pacs being encouraged by the supreme court to go out under freedom of speech and basically try to buy elections. this can only end in tears. >> for doesn't make sense. you have the wealth to buy more freedom of speech than people who don't. to me is makes it such an unfair
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competition. it mean that is the special interest will be much more represented than the will of the people. i think that the people need us to be attentive to them. that's one reason why i love playing elaine. she has a strong moral compass. a big heart. she is sort of not afraid to say what she thinks in any situation. >> sounds rather familiar. >> i am not. i wish. >> let's take a look at elaine. >> elaine, your husband himself sent me to mexico to negotiate the release of those american citizens. >> that was mexico and two college students smuggling a volvo of pot. this is accusing american journalists of being spice. those new york city won't happen over margaritas. >> it's a great line you came out with about why you took the role. after eating salad, i was
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offered a juicy steak and i went right. i'm going for it. i love that. this is your first big tv role. >> i think it's the best role i have ever had. it's fascinating that we play this eloquent, passionate woman who is so capable and then at the same time you drawback the vail of their private life and you are in the kitchen and living room and bedrooms of this family. as capable as she is in the world, she is as powerless as all the rest of parents when it comes to her own family. the family you fall in love with them. i am part of a brilliant ensemble. this press person who is out to get me or out to become friends. we don't know which. >> do you have all sympathy for top politicians having been
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through the press and you feel more empathy with the pressures that go with that job? >> that's an interesting question. i don't think i do. no. >> that's a good answer. >> i don't think i do because i think it's easy to get subverted into all the polling. i think that what we expect from politicians which we don't expect from shallow celebrities like myself is they do speak truth to power and they are consistent and they have a real commitment to the big picture as they see it. to see cantidates changing their history depending on who is paying for the ads, it makes one very cynical. when i was working as a student, i worked for a congressman and i was in charge of gun control.
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i was even in spite of alien, et cetera, i was pro gun control. this guy sent out two letters, to people who were pro gun control and a sim lawyer oular but different letter against gun control. i was so shocking to me. still is. >> do you see principal anywhere on capitol hill. that is the kind of -- i interviewed justice scalia who sees nobody in modern politics to compare with the founding fathers. the guys who created the federalist papers. this guy has been a justice for 25 years and really believes a malaise in ability and principal. >> there is probably a malaise in the actual body politic, but if you look at individual senators like patrick leahy or olympia snow, like chuck schumer, there so many
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individuals that i admire. i don't know why they can't seem to get things done. i know that the senator is retiring because she said it's just too discouraging. >> how do you think president obama has done? >> um, well, i thought it was interesting that he said he concentrated on policy because that makes sense to me with his character. one of the things that has come up with the show is to what extent any of these people are political animals. i have a feeling that clinton and johnson and maybe nixon and some of these people were real political animals. i don't think obama is. >> more legal animal. >> she a policy wonk. trying to get the policy correct for people to support people. it's a different kind of political animal that puts it through. >> that's a really -- the best
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observation. i keep asking politicians why the paralysis and that is probably why. you have to play the game in a smarter, more malleable way. possibly slightly less principaled. dark deals done in corridors. >> you can't take it personally. i would make a terrible politician. you have to have a very thick skin and for instance, hillary clinton has done a remarkable job as secretary of state. i admire her so much. hope the show doesn't irritate her because it's not about her. you must have to be so thick-skinned to say objective and diplomatic in these situations. i go down to washington to talk to congress men about the environment or in favor of the arts, etc. people say things to you that you could get into a fist fight about. you can't do that obviously. that doesn't help matters.
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>> the first oscar nomination for the film alien. they were such a huge phenomenon. i always regretted having a serious career. i am more of an educator. >> i was always the class clown
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and i much prefer comedy. i can't believe i'm in a serious series. we try to get in as many jokes as we can. i can understand it, but she is not a barrel of laves. i am still waiting for my comedy career to take off. >> i liked you in working girl. one of my favorite films actually. >> as such we have a uniform. they notice the dress. dress impeccably. they notice the woman. cocoa chanel. >> how do i look? >> par look terrific. you might want to rethink the jewelry. you got another oscar nomination for that. except for the hair. that was a great comedy role. >> i was so lucky. i got to work with the great
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mike nichols as well. >> you have then moved on. avatar, i went to see it in new york and did the 3d experience. i hate those things. never watch anything horror. i was absolutely transfixed by the cinema -- >> magic? >> what was it like to me? we have been disconnected. very pale rooms. then they put you into this. >> you were in an empty room with black suits. at that point the science fiction sort of paused because we were really just actors finding the scene. you can see what your character
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would lick like seven feet tall or blue. he transformed the business so much, he would only have to capture one perfect master. he could come back in without the actors there. through what the cameras captured do all the coverage. he would only have to shoot one. it's azing. i hope that's contagious and regular films can figure that out as well. i think he is a genius. >> your father moved on to television and created the "today" show. >> he did. >> what was the original tonight show? amazing. badges of honor. he was running nbc at the time. is this where you got the love of the business? >> i think i did. he loved the business. he loved the people in the business. he especially loved comedy and loved having mixing russell with a chimpanzee or what have you.
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i think i grew up thinking it was great, but my father never got discouraged. he did try to start a network twice. he pioneered the first and we got a lot of deathy threats. >> when you see the andy warhol fame coming to reality, almost anybody can be famous. does it depress you or bother you? you diminished what used to be stars. >> i think fame is the least valuable thing that a successful career gives you. it's actually the one downside. what we have missed is in the early days, we had so many great theater actors and there was
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much more of a live experience and the public really adored actors. they are training and i think especially in europe for instance, someone who can tell a compelling story and keep everyone calm or entertained. that's the power and a talent. i think it's hard for the public to tell. it is hard. acting is really hart and challenging and takes years to get it right. how can they tell? how can they tell that this is something noble? difficult to achieve. >> your mother was english. literally seconds before we went on the air i discovered that. clearly all your talent comes from english blood.
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>> they used to have to provide their own costumes and vivian was married to a very wealthy man. my mother's mother would send these hideous costumes and in essex, she would beg vivian to let her borrow the next acts costume. three different actresses in the year would play three different actions of the same character. >> the only thing longer and more successful has been your marriage. 30 years you have been together. >> actually 28. my career is longer. >> a business where divorce comes and goes like the number nine buses, how have you avoided that pitfall. >> i don't really know. i was very luck to find someone as -- i think he is a brilliant man and a theater director.
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he understands what i'm doing and why i am probably sometimes preoccupied by the work. he's from hawaii and filled with aloha and has been a great father to our daughter. i got lucky and picked the right person. >> it has been a real pleasure and thank you for coming in. on usa. it has been a delight to meet you. >> nice to meet you. >> the always unpredictable russell brand. see what he does tonight. down here, folks measure commitment by what's getting done. the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons.
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is he more fun being the cleaner cut well-behaved russeller more fun being thener do well? >> t hang out with pimps and hookers and junkies and crooks. the reality of that life, you can snatch the glistening abusement from it, but it's
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miserable otherwise i would still do it. it's not a good way to live. there is no longevity in it and it's painful. >> a lot happened to him since then. you never know russell brand. i like him. he is dangerously unpredictable. he joins me for a prime time exclusive. welcome back. >> all right, mate. >> how the devil are you? >> do you know i'm very, very happy today. happy to be on your show. i look different in that clip. >> you have your beard back and look more jesus-like. i don't know if you like that comparison. >> he was a good guy. it's never going to be an insult. >> let me get one thing out of the way. i know you don't want to talk about this and i don't want to make it more painful. you got divorced since i spoke to you last. you were very happily married and talking as if it would be it. how do you feel as a single man
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again? >> i think that what happened to the weekend is administrative finality. i don't think that makes very much difference. of course i still feel great feelings of compassion and warmth for katy, but i'm happy with my life. >> how is your life now? >> people write so much bilge about you and i always think you are one of the guys who is more misunderstood of public life from what i know about you. how is your in reality at the moment? >> the limited amount of time i spend in reality, i quite enjoy it. i only visit it temporarily as i believe it to be a construct. as for the bilge, you are one of the primary architects. you condrived to build this kingdom of lies and hullabaloo with your understanding of the
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narrative that people like to receive about sensationalism and madness. my life is now a simple kind of life. i meditate a lot and do a lot of yoga and work really, really hard on my show for fx and work hard on movies and try to do nice things for other people every day. you have to work hard to do that. you slip into narcissim. it's a pretty -- like a farmer whose product is say tv show instead of tomatoes. >> what do you think about fame and celebrity? >> i first intrude you and you were heading over the precipice of stardom and you were quite excited about it all. you seemed very unphased. it was your moment, your time. has cynicism crept in and you become less excited about the whole nature of fame and celebrity? >> yes. i remember that interview
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distinctly, piers. it was a baptism of fire. my first skirmish with one of the great jewelists of popular cultures. that was you that tricked me into doing a number for how many women i had slept with. i was infatuated with fame and thought it would solve my inner problems. having done famous for a while. i recognize there are benefits to it and there detrimental aspects as well. celebrity and fame and glamour are literally pointless. there is no value to them. when you think it's sort of like the first people that that term famous would have been applied to, it would have been even in a relatively modern sense. going back a bit, christ or krish that or figures of notoriety and greatness. now i heard a great analysis and
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once our heroes were the gods of great traj bee. they were the sings of shakespearean writing. now you write just about anybody. ordinary people who have nothing to play. i don't want to condemn them because the air stock reas is where people are born and hereditary wealth is greatness bestowed on people for no bloody reason. celebrity is pretty pointless. >> anybody can be famous for doing anything and something society should do so we don't go completely mad? >> yes. we should focus on spiritual principals and focus on what's real. i think we have to build this reality tv. car dash yens and mtv, but underneath it, we recognize it's not working. it's not working for the people
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hello. i'm having trouble concentrating for a number of reasons. four really obvious ones. this is like when i met tom cruise. i have seen all of your films. >> russell brand enjoying the spiritualism of that clip there, russell. >> as you can see, that was a profound zen piece of art i was making there. angelina castro. >> we are going to come to your new show in a moment and talk about politics in a moment. you said interesting things about politics. i never voted in my life and will never vote. i don't agree. it's justural politics. we choose between two indistinguishable parties neither of whom represent the people and interest of powerful business elites that run the world. you said that on the mtv music awards.
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a lot of people feel there is such a blurring that you can't decide between the parties. what's the point of it all? >> there isn't one, i don't think. i don't know much about politics, but on the show with me, he explained that since obama has been in power, the gap between rich and poor hasser ander baited and increased. whoever controls the supreme court it makes a difference and this welfare health care, i'm not interested in these minute political changes. we need a profound change to change our world. to save our world. i'm massively disillusioned with the current biparty political system. i am not judging america. it's the same in our country. you an american resident yet? >> no. there seems to be administrative
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complications due to the nature of my conduct. >> is america refusing to accept you as one of their own? >> love the american people, every person. nothing but love. i keep getting different cars. >> how is your temper at the moment? >> pretty good mostly. the first time in my life, i spend more time meditating and doing yoga than having sex. i do a lot of yoga. >> let's turn to your stand up show. what is it about stand up that you love? it's your first love and probably your great love. >> what this is, this show i'm doing on fx is an opportunity to look at the stories behind the news. when you read the stories, you think whose agenda is it serving? usually pretty funny. the way they use the nationality
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of a story's protagonist to take in a particular direction. there was a story in the paper, italian doctor kicks son in face at epcot center. i thought wow, that story is more acceptable because it's an italian doctor. they can just say doctor and i think it's doctor, but an italian doctor, mama mia. kick him in the face! there peculiar stereotypes and agendas served. in that surprisingly eloquent political statement like what you said about the political leaders and the business leaders are working in allegiance to keep the majority of people repressed, docile, spell bound consumers and the media is an obvious participant as the o fore mentioned. i like having a real laugh about that and trying to include a spiritual component.
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the solutions to contemporary problems are spiritual. that's why i was talking to the porn stars. angelina castro wants to go hispanic, don't panic. that's a terrible rhyme. >> that's terrible. enormously. >> it doesn't make sense. once you go black, you don't go back. that makes sense. i have gone black and go back and forth. once you go hispanic, don't panic doesn't make sense. i have gone hispanic, don't panic. an odd rhyme. angelina castro is up to her. >> where is your line? ricky gervais has been in an ongoing twitter war with followers about whether this should be lines drawn in the comedic. anything off limits? what do you think? >> woody allen said no. as long as it's funny, it's
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fine. he lives his by that principal and think if something is funny, with our mates, we laugh at disgusting stuff, but when you are on the tele, there different obligations. i would laugh at pretty much anything. if something hurts my feelings and i think it's pay back for them, i don't like to say anything that is personally offensive. i try to stop doing that. i try not to be mean. i suppose i try to think of our sex jim iny cricket saying don't do that. >> try to listen to your conscious. >> it is good to catch up with you. i like the beard back. >> thank you for noticing, piers. thank you for noticing. i think he is a genuine opportunity to translate people. >> turn to brand x for russell
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i know the exact career i want. >> what are is it, munch kin? >> the editor of the new yorker and the l.a. times and chicago tribune. >> okay. >> i have to get to north western. >> never heard of it. >> i need to be on anti-depressants. i thought i was calm and mature for my age. >> no, you were drugged. i hid it in kbrour foot. >> struck by lightning. he won a golden globe. he is not resting on his laurels. they produced in that film and changed his novel and the stories to wish him well. join me again and welcome back. >> thank you. >> me about this. why have you written a fairy tale book?
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>> it was a promise i made with myself when i was 10. i came up with the story then and desperately wanted to be a part of the kids's lit world and here i am. >> what's the point of it? >> the plot is about two kid who is go into a fairy tale around the book. when i was a younger kid, i had a rough childhood. i was in the hospital for a while when i was younger. i was in the hospital. it was rough for me. i used this to escape from hardships and i wanted to write a story so kids would have a way. >> we talked about the bullying you suffered. you made this massively successful. you get a lot of other kids writing to you and young gay teens writing to you who know
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you what have been through and admiring you. how do you deal with that? >> i don't know. i think i am still figuring that out. it is a responsibility and hope i am doing it well. there is not like getting a letter from the kids and most of them are written in secret. they are stuck in places that don't accept them. >> what are do you say? >> i don't know if there is anything i could say to them. the best thing i can do is show them an example of something they -- a version of something they could be. if they aspire to it. >> what are would you say to yourself if you had the chance sf. >> i would say the clothes don't fit. i don't know. i think i would say hang in there. keep doing what you are doing. it will pay off some day. >> since we last spoke again, the whole gay marriage debate
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moved on incredibly fast. new york has joined many states in legal eying gay marriage. you were helpful in the plays about legalizing same-sex marriage. what do you feel about the way america move and the president's endorsement? >> that was an amazing endorsement and i'm happy that we are living in a time where progress is being made. i think people are so upset and hurt over it, people need to realize that there is a silver lining n inside. it's going to take time to get there, but we will. >> president obama is facing election in november. what are your thoughts as far as hollywood people disappointed in him. are you standing firmly by your president? >> i am 22. >> you can vote. are you political? >> i was in high school. i was a speech champion in high
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school and very political, but i have taken my foot out. >> is it too dangerous to be a glee star pontificating? >> no, it's annoying. i deant want to try to join a bandwagon and i want to move my own. my own opinions are pretty much the same of who i am talking about. i don't want people to watch me and say i know who you voted for. i would rather them watch the movie. >> what's going on with glee? >> i don't know. i haven't been back. we haven't started season four yet. >> definitely going back. not dropping a terrible bombshell. they will remove the glee from glee. >> maybe a letter or two. >> with that the movies and i remember talking to you last time about being worried about
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the work load. you are writing books and doing movies. are you getting enough fun in your life? >> just like progress. i can always have more of it. i think right now i am in a spot where i just had ant syndrome with the grasshopper and the ant. i top the make sure my house is stable for a winner. the grasshopper and the ant. the ant made a house and the winter came and the grasshopper died and the ant survived. >> the moral is? >> don't dilly daley. get stuff done. >> always good to see you. >> thank you so much. this is new york state. get stuff done. >> always good to see you. >> thank you so much. ly. get stuff done. >> always good to see you. >> thank you so much. skyscrapers, the greatest empires.
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