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american people are willing to see me here for another four years, that members of congress are going to remind themselves what they're sent here to do. and that is ultimately to work for the people who sent us here. >> for the president, it all boils down to the same advice he gives his daughter's basketball team. >> just always worry about doing your job, doing your best, getting better and thinking like a team. ne hour from now. yeah, 10:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching. piers morgan tonight starts now. tonight, what women really
want. okay. now that i've got your attention, i am no expert but my guests tonight are. some of the smartest. strongest women in this country. u.s. open champ. serena williams. >> if i could just hold that serve and win that game, i have a fighting chance. >> money guru, suze orman. >> my marry said an orman nerve gives up. >> gayle king. >> and lara spencer. >> use your voice like the boys do. >> we're talking politics. >> year of the first female president. >> 2016. don't you want to know who? >> your money -- and the question i just have to ask. >> women like very authoritative man in the bedroom. >> i think it's different
celebrities. we are celebrity-obsessed culture, and i do think people like looking at things that are relatable to them. is it still the talk show format? i'm not so sure about that. when you are good, people find you. there's always room for something good. >> leak a show with one guy, four women, and like that? >> i think it's like "the view." i think -- >> that's my point. i believe had generation, which has grown up that everybody can blog and everybody has their devices and everybody gets a voice, the day of one voice speaking at you -- >> you definitely have to put digital. >> maybe it's a compilation of all those. maybe it's a compilation of doing something digitally where you get to interact with your fans and then the one person speaking. i love the format of oprah. that was a great show. i think there's a void. i think there is still space for that and that's trying to find the rate right way to create it. >> katie, going to be a home run, single, double, or strike-out? >> huge. >> you're an abc person. bam. >> honestly, i have been a fan
of hers for a long time. so smart. i think that she's going to pave her own way. she's katie. there is no other oprah. if she stays authentic to herself and really -- i think she's going to be solid. >> here's the question. do we as women want katie to succeed, because sometimes women -- and we do. >> interesting. >> sometimes women not on television, but it can be a competitive thing. we don't want somebody to -- >> guys, guys, we're going to come back to that. here's a tease. listen. when we come back, security, sex, and success all in one blog. at purina one,
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hi, i'm donny deutsche. i am stick arounded by some of the smartest women around. suze orman, and layer wra spencer from "good morning america. all right, guys, security. we watched the movie seal last night talking about killing osama bin laden. we certainly feel safer today for a lot of reasons, so as individuals, as women, as moms, here's your choice, didn't have to pick up he's shoes anymore,
would you say enough? have we gone too far and we need to ease up? i say you don't have to take off your shoes? >> i'm happy to take them off. i'm happy pow to go through whatever you need to do to make sure that me and my family and everybody on that plane is safe. it's not too much for me. >> gale? >> it's not too much, but there are times when i see some people that are being asked to remove their shoes that are little kids or old people that i think do you really have to do that? there is another part of me that wonder -- the other day i had to throw out contact lens solution just because it was over the three ounces. i'm for whatever you need to do to keep us safe. >> i just came back from a tour in australia. went through airport after airport. never once had to remove my shoes. including coming back on the plane to the united states of america where something could have happened. can't we somehow get this thing together? >> it's always a pleasure to not have to do it, but don't you
understand? i mean -- >> i get why, but i don't get why after 11 years they have not figured out a more secure system, a system that makes sense. i mean, they're not -- are we really that much safer? i'm not sure. >> i am with lara. you travel around the world. >> i do whatever it takes because, i mean, after what happened september 11th and being the anniversary so soon, something that as a nation we just can't forget, and, you know, i always like to think once you put your guard down, that's when people attack, and that's when things happen, and it's so important for us, you know, just always stay awake. >> i'm kind of with you too, suze. isn't there another way? >> really? >> wasn't it great traveling through australia and not have to -- >> i didn't feel unsafe. >> to your point, is there anything wrong if we say, okay, already certain suspects that are terrorists to not stop little 5-year-olds, or is the line -- there is no such thing as a -- >> that's what i'm speaking.
i think you have to be -- you can't just say, oh, you look like this. >> it really, really isn't. >> what if somebody is using that 5-year-old girl to -- it's all or nothing. >> yep. >> right now it's all. >> and we'll keep it that way. speaking of all, "50 shades of gray" has been talked about a lot. to me the success of that -- the dumb guy talking. the success of that book showed two things to me. number one, there must be a lot of under sexed women in america to be getting so excited, and that, two, most women want to be dominated because that was the core of -- she's looking at me -- that was the core of that book. as you're both staring at me, when i say just in that sexual thing, most women reacted to that very positively. halves the essence of the book. let's get -- >> how many women on this panel read that book? >> i actually did it for research. >> of course. >> of course, i did. i did read it. >> it's not my kind of read. i'm an old-fashioned kind of person, and i'm not into it.
>> when i saw my mother -- >> he was a dominant character. >> did you read it? >> i know the basic premise. did that show that that's a nerve that hits -- >> i will tell you from my unscientific sampling of girlfriends who thought it was so naughty and funny and all of them are married, and you know, i just think ten abled them to talk about something that before this book and for whatever reason it's touched a nerve with all due respect, it just enabled hem to talk about and maybe expand their sex life after ten or 15 years when they might have wanted for push the envelope a little bit, and so i don't know necessarily it's about being dominated. i think it's about -- >> it was learning for me -- i don't mean dominateed in a negative sense, but -- >> i learn thad women did like very strong men. i have never seen a woman -- >> i don't know what spanking. i don't want a gene spanking or hard spaenking.
i like soft car esing. they think women like to be tied up and spanked. >> they like a man to take control. serena. that's what i found. it's not about spanking. women like a very authority taifsh man in the bedroom. let's leave it at that. >> i think it's different strokes for different folks. i'm just being honest. not everyone likes the same thing. >> serena, are you a -- >> i would like you to answer that question. >> go ahead, serena. >> i think that -- >> go ahead. >> no, i think, you know, just -- it just brought out a lot of maybe different feelings among different women that do like more things that are dominant and like to be -- >> you are a physically -- you're a beautiful woman. very physically strong. it is that intimidating to a lot of men? >> i think it is. >> i might be intimated. >> wau? >> if you and i -- i would be -- whoa. you're gorgeous, but, yeah, i
would be intimated. >> i'm curious if you run into that. >> yeah, i do. i run into the intimidation factor, but i think it's important to find that balance and find someone that can balance you both mentally, spiritually and everything else. >> i would be intimated by you. >> exactly. it's not the guy for you. not the guy you immediate in your life, and just to be friends. >> okay. >> see, i'm not the guy doing tonight. i am staying like this. ladies, when we come back, we're here to talk about the living happily ever after many hollywood. don't go anywhere. [ female announcer ] the best things in life are the real things. nature valley trail mix bars are made with real ingredients you can see. like whole roasted nuts, chewy granola, and real fruit. nature valley trail mix bars. 100% natural. 100% delicious. for a golf getaway. double miles you can actually use... but mr. single miles can't join his friends because he's getting hit with blackouts.
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>> i'm back with four incredible women. lara spencer, gale king, suze orman, serena williams. all i can say to that is wow. a lot of hollywood wedding news. we have a divorce over the weekend. we have will arnett. two great people. we have a new engagement, ryan reynolds and blake lively. >> no, they got married. >> married. >> they got married. >> i love that they did it in secret, too, in south carolina. we didn't know about it until it was done. i love that they pulled it off.
>> it can be done. >> it can be done. can hollywood marriages last? obviously, we went through katie and tom. is it almost impossible to have another paul newman, joanne woodward. you are all in this world. >> i don't think anything is impossible. i still believe in love and i still believe that you can find it if you find the right person, but, you know, i think a lot of times people look and think we do this. we do this in common or we have this together, so we should be together. oh, i can relate with you on that, and you just have to watch out pour those emotions and really look for real love. >> i have been told, though, that i'm very naive on this because i am a hopeless romantic. i still believe in the idea of love. i love the concept of love, and i believe when you meet the right person, you know, it's not just hollywood marriage. it's marriage many general, but we're all living longer. you know, back in the day when they were getting married, you didn't live -- you were dying at 42, dying at your early 40s and 50s, but now you're living until 80 and 90 and you're looking at
your spouse and going i don't know how i feel about you anymore, but i still believe it's possible. >> are we saying to kids today when you talk to young -- yovrl, our parents are on the table here. is there a trivialization when you see it's a we're, a year and a half. >> it's not disposable. >> are we sending a message? we see these marriages, and obviously with all the gossip magazines, are we raising a generation today where it's much more disposable? >> i worry about it too. i think you're right to worry. i just feel that if things get tough, it doesn't mean that you move on. you know, you buckle down, and you work hard. that's the way my mom and dad did it. that's just sort of the way -- that doesn't mean it's always going to work. i'm a realist. i get it. i do think that far too often now it's like, you know what, it just got hard, and so -- >> so i'm out of here. >> i did an interview years ago with drake, the rapper drake. i'm muts about him. he is a 20-something guy. his parents got divorced at a
very early age, and i was asking him about relationship, and does he think he is capable? he said i saw my parents fight, but i didn't see them fight through. i thought that was great for somebody that is 20 something. i'm not saying staying stai in ied about marriage if you are being abused or there's serial infidelity, but so many times now people give up far too easily. >> my dad had some surgery over the weekend. watching my parents, 83, together loving each other. 59 years, the way had he care for each other, i'm sure it wasn't perfect all the time, but it was so, so beautiful, and i just don't know how much that -- >> that's no longer the morm, donny. today the stats are one out of two people who get married end up in divorce. that's 50%. the machine one reason, by the way, for divorce is arguments over money. >> money and sex. >> what's interesting, i was just many the philippines, there is month such thing as divorce there. what does that mean? no, you cannot get divorced m
philippines. so one extreme to the other, but we don't have a role model anymore. now your point that you made was great, donny. now our vows mean monthing. >> serena, look, you are all incredibly prominent and famous. how could that be normal? whatever you do is pulled apart, ripped apart. how do you live normally? >> it's difficult. for me i'm just a normal individual. i mean, really a memorial person. when i get out of my tennis world or out of my little, you know, social bubble -- >> does that you allow you to be normal? >> i'll go to the grocery store or mall in my normal clothes and act normal, and when people see you in that environment and they feel like you're touchable and relatable, then it's easier to have a normal life. >> speaking of not normal, who are those people? i'm going to say something, and you guys get angry because every time i say it i get in trouble. why do you care? why do we care? >> because they're royals.
>> we are such an evolved society. these are -- we know who they are. we are like children and carry on over -- >> we still believe in fairy tales. >> everybody is going craze where i. >> we still believe -- people still believe in fairy tales and the tradition of it. i was so smitten with princess diana. i never met her. i got up at 4:00 in the morning to watch the wedding. i got up, unfortunately, at 4:00 to watch the funeral. i so worried about her sons and what her -- would her sons be okay. i still think people are holding on to that. it's nice to see william. >> the pipa thing can get out of control. >> the whole harry thing, when this whole thing came out about him and -- >> leave harry alone. >> my feeling is he is just a young guy, and we have a generation today that accepts that, and i think young people like -- >> he is not just a young guy. i disagree. he is -- it's a successor possibly of the throne. he has a responsibility to act many a certain way.
that is part of the tradition. that is part of his righteousness. he had to be an idiot -- >> as a tennis star, does she have an obligation to act a certain way? >> no. >> it's the same. >> not to me. i don't think so. >> i say leave him alone. he is single. is he in a private room. he is not out in public behaving this way. he was betrayed by someone. i'm more upset with the person that betrayed him. does he come with responsibility? absolutely, yes. at some point you have to figure out a way to surround yourself with people who are going to protect you. he is entitled to have a good time. he is entitled. >> i actually believe today we have what i'll call the accepting digital generation that understands they're going to be photographed, and i think our future presidents and i think our future olympic stars and our future heads of state are all going to be visually in compromising positions. >> photographed in a private room? you think that you should expect that you're going to be photographed in a private room? >> i think that it is impossible for somebody to live life -- right now there's a president of
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zurchlgts i'm donny deutsche. i'm here with serena williams, suze orman, gale king, lara spencer. >> does piers know we're here? >> he doesn't even know i'm here. katie holmes, a few years ago she was an actress, and now she is seen by many, particularly women, as a hero because she divorced tom cruise. >> hero, donny? is that the word you're using? >> let me throw it out to you
guys. i'll phrase it another way. not a hero because she got divorced but to a lot of people got under the control -- >> i heard that she escaped is the word i heard. not my word. >> not hero because of divorce, but escaped. why are women seeing her that way? as opposed to just, gal to your point, as somebody who got divorced? what is it? >> divorce is very painful. i don't care who you are. if you wanted it, as somebody who has been divorced. even if you want a divorce, it's still a very painful thing. >> you know there's something different going on here. was it because he was a bigger movie star and she came out on top, or is it because of scientology? >> people really didn't understand -- a lot of people didn't really understand what it was. i saw the two of them together. i'm telling you, i believed when i saw the two of them together. i did. i believe that they were in love with each other. i -- no one knows exactly how they got together. you're hearing all the stories about she was interviewed and she was recruited. i don't know what's true about that. when you saw the two of them together and interacting with
each other, that was believable to me. now people don't know -- nobody knows what goes on between a man and a woman behind closed doors or what they really have. nobody knows. >> i aplaid they did it quickly and did it keeping their daughter in the forefront the entire time. the daughter -- that is the priority. it was -- i don't know the mechanic nations of how that all happened so quickly, and we probably never will, but her daughter was clearly the most important thing to them. i think women appreciate that. you're rolling your eyes. no? >> i don't care about her or tom cruise or that they got divorced. i don't know them. i'm glad they loved each other, and now that they're not together, go live and i don't personally care. >> suze, divorce is very, very tough on kids. we all know that. i mean, that's just the way it is. they have done a good job thus far seemingly keeping it out of the media, keeping it -- we don't know all the details. >> i don't know if it was kept
out of the media. >> all right, guys. i want to move on. something more uplifting. >> do you care? i don't care either. >> i'm trying to uplift. we're all very upset about that. uplift. i was watching last night, and i was, like, holy moly, the way you just dug, turned it around. i want to use that as a met for for this country because there are people facing imminently more important things. please, please, go with me on this, whether it's they just lost their job, or give somebody a little kind of pep talk about what you find inside of you at that moment that might translate to somebody at home that needs to get off the mat so to speak? >> well, for me i live by the motto never give up i know you grow up hearing that is correct but have you to take that to heart. you say, okay, i'm in the hospital right now or my sister, frens, she's going through so much. she has the disease. she's still competing and playing, but she never gives up
hope or the plea of in herself or m fact that she or minimum can do what they have a dream of doing. you know, i visit hospitals all the time. children's hospitals and these children have cancer. they're dealing with leukemia and all kinds of diseases, but, yet, they smile. that still really inspires me to say, okay, you know what, i can be m darkest of holes and the darkest of positions, but i know that wills someone out there that i can he, i can change their life if i just never quit. that's just what -- the mantra that i live by. >> did you ever doubt yourself yesterday, though? >> i did. i thought -- at one point i was not playing well, and i haut, gosh, i may as well think about what i'm going to say, but it was a brief thought and then i snapped right back, and i thought now i'll i have to do is break and hold and there were so many different thoughts that went through my mind when i was negative, and heats normal. i think in life you do have that negative moment, that negative thought, but what's important is that you don't let it overcome you and let it take priority.
you let it fall -- you let it slide and let the positive thoughts come. >> you were waiting tables at one point, and you had a tough time. what was the turning point for you? >> that, believe it or not, very much the same is that an orman mefr -- my mother always taught me that an orman never gives up. my mother was ae secretary. she sold avon to support the family. she always said an orman never gives up. i think the key thing here -- >> i'm so sorry about your mom, by the way. you just lost your mom. >> last week, september 4th, my mom went to be with god, and so that's all right. she was 97, so she lived a great life, but you don't -- there's something. you see, the real question is isn't what do we do? it's why do we do it? why were you able to reach down missed and not give up? why am i able to against all odds go i'm going to do this and i don't care nobody -- what
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back with our fabulous group, serena williams, suze orman, gale king, lara spencer. i'm going to start with you. year our first female president? >> 2016. don't you want to know who? >> i'm assuming that's a good one. is it hillary? >> yes. i would imagine that i think we are not going to be a big debate on that one.
>> let's go through it. >> 2016, please, hillary. >> i guess i'll go with what everybody else says. >> i'm all in on the 2016 also, okay? >> next one, madonna. playing yankee stadium. 54. at what age does it just get so ridiculous where we finally stop going? >> i hope never. >> as long as -- listen, bruce springsteen is 63, and he has more energy than anybody i have ever seen. >> as long as your knees are good and you're having a good time, i say go for it. >> i hope never. i mean, age doesn't determine how old you really are. >> i think the answer is never because we're not. once we let them sit down, that means we have to sit down. it's all about us. clint eastwood, should he have stayed home, or was there some magic that went on there that we might have missed? >> i think he did what he set out to do. he doesn't need to stay home. he has an opinion, and he shared it. >> he should not have stayed
home, but i don't know if magic is a word i would use for what we saw. >> one would argue that he hurt the party. >> it's never good when your appearance overshadows the nominee. >> re run on -- >> mistake for the republican? should he have stayed home? >> i think for the party he should have stayed home because i don't think it really helped in the long run. for him i liked seeing him myself up there. >> i love clint eastwood, but, i mean, i don't know if it helps. >> do you think he is credible? >> no. not at all. >> and, you have heard him explain it. he said he just got the idea moments before he went out and said, hey, could someone get me a chair. the guy thought he was asking so he could sit down, and he just thought of it on the cuff, on the reply. he is making no apologies for that. >> he can do whatever he wants. >> let's show that picture of obama getting picked up literally physically picked up. i think he was in a pizza place. >> in florida. >> what -- would that have happened with mitt romney, and what would he have done? let me start with you, serena?
>> i don't think so. that's what i love about the president. is he so down to earth. you'll see him at a basketball game. i have never seen that before. you'll see him at regular outings and regular scenes. he is just a regular guy. i love him. >> that's kind of choreographed. >>ell -- >> what happened? >> do you think that was staged? >> no, no. i'm just saying when you see him at baseball games or -- no, that wasn't. what would mitt have done in that situation? >> my god, i have no idea what he would do. or in any situation for that matter. there's something about that picture that's wonderful. that's the picture that evokes. the love that people have for president obama that they feel like i love what you have done for me so much here you go, big boy. love that. >> and he was a republican. the pizza owner guy is a republican who picked him up. gave him a hug and said it also just shows a lot about his character. >> he said i'm voting for you, president obama, but when you ask about mitt romney, mitt romney does have a sense of humor. he does have a sense of humor.
>> i think -- he should vsh he should that's the kind -- we want to feel you're one of us. >> maybe he has a sense of humor, why is it not possible that people can see that? what is it about him -- you spent time with him off camera and on camera. his answer when his wife was describing his sense of humor, and he said, oh, yes, i love laurel and hardy, and some of the modern -- that doesn't sound like a sense of humor. >> he loves "modern family" and "seinfeld." we have a thing in "o magazine." sde have a sense of humor. it's been trouble translating it. i get that. he absolutely has a sense of humor. what i want to know about that obama clip is how does d that fly with secret service? i mean wondering how -- were at the like i got to get in, i got to get in? i marvel at that. when you look at the video, you don't see anybody running in to say, hey, hey, hey. you don't see anybody doing that. i would like to know how that actually happened with secret service agents. >> i'm not saying it was staged,
but it's almost inconreceiverable to your point that they wouldn't jump. >> even if he had asked permission, you have seen those guys. they never smile. they're sitting there stone-faced with their ear pieces. they say no. >> do you think he actually turned and said can i give -- this is interesting. >> for one second. so they love watching "modern family." what do they love about watching "modern family?" do they love the fact that they will never let gay marriage happen so it's huh, huh, huh, we love -- >> i love it, babe. more when we come back. >> it's well written and funny. >> well, think about the topic. ♪
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okay. we are back with serena williams. suze orman, gale king, lara spencer. what a pleasure to meet with you tonight. really appreciate you fwiz coming. interesting question to wind it down with. two women, kim kardashian, kate middleton. kim kardashian, like her or not, has made it on her own versus kate middleton who has theoretically married into her celebrity and her wealth. who is more more of a role model for our daughters? suze? >> well, if you didn't know -- just on surface because this is -- who knows them really? i have to say it would be kate middleton, because of how she conducts herself, and in the same way i think she has the ability to be another princess di. >> let me challenge that for a second in that not everybody is going to have the option of marrying a prince, so here's another woman who doesn't have any apparent skill set and who's
turned it into an empire. >> you have to have some skill set, do you not, to turn it into an empire. >> she has terrific work ethic. >> when you fast forward to where she is today from where she started, can you say that she has become a success in business. you know, the thing about kate middleton, when you say marry into royalty, i'm assuming that there was a -- herp together for mine years. i don't see anything wrong with marrying into loyalty if it's somebody you love. >> role model to just point at for your daughter. >> you can take something from both of them. i'm going to take the sex tape out of it. i'm going to take the sex tape out of it. when you look at the success that kim has, you really cannot argue with that. i see you suze, rolling your eyes. you can't argue. >> i don't think it's just in life simply to be successful. i don't think the goal of life is simply to accumulate mass amounts of wealth. i think the goal in life should be integrity, honest, be a role model. whatever it may be. it's, like, i'm not sure 72 days of marriage.
i'm not sure, you guys. >> serena? >> i think each have -- i'm iffing to give a politically correct answer because i do know kim, and i think she's a great girl, and i think a lot of people -- a lot of kids do look up to her for what she has been able to do. you're looking at the girl who say, okay, my best chance of becoming successful is being like kim kardashian. maybe i can't marry a royal, then look at the other girl who has more of a chance to be like kate who obviously is beautiful and extremely laclassy and extremely amazing. she's a great role model. she's royalty now. she has to be. >> my 7-year-old, obsessed with kate middleton. just thinks she is -- >> i thought you were going to say that too. >> kim gets knocked as a role model, but no drugs, month drinking, hard-working. it's interesting. they're both great women. >> she's a sweetheart, and she works hard. >> before we go, lara, flee market flip on