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>> and it seems new york governor andrew cuomo is coming to that same conclusion. >> it's inarguable. there's a changing weather pattern and the time to act is now. >> the state will look into multimillion-dollar barriers designed to hold back storm surges. for staten island residents like nick camerada, that kind of protection can't come soon enough. >> now that we don't have a seawall down there or any type of protection down at the water, when i rebuild, what's going to stop the next storm? the real money should be spent on protecting the community from the ocean coming back up. there's nothing to stop the next storm from doing basically the same thing to the community, just flooding us, possibly
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just flooding us, possibly killing us. -- captions by vitac -- >> how many gun murders were there in britain? >> how many great white sharks kill people every year, but they are scared to swim. >> patrick kennedy, on the radical rant. >> i was disturbed. >> disturbed as a human being this is what our civil discourse has come to. >> i go toe to toe with this gun advocate. >> you are deliberately lying and deliberately twisting it.
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i want to revisit the best and the worst of the interviews, tonight, i am in favor a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons and high capacity magazines, i want to require prifrt dealers to run background checks on all at gun shows. and i think these are reasonable steps to stop the tide of gun violence. not everybody agrees, several want me deported for my views. one of those behind the petition, alex jones. >> thanks for having me. >> why do you want to deport me?
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>> we did it as a way to bring attention to the fact that we have all of the froerners, and the chinese government, political power out of a power of a gun, he is the only one who had the guns, we pointed out this is globalism, the megabanks that brag they take over, brag that they have going to get our guns as well. they have taken everybody but the swiss and the american people. when they get our guns, they can have world tyranny. while they by predator drones, being used to arrest people in north dakota. the second amendment isn't there for duck hunting, it is there to protect us from tiranical government and street thugs. look at india. didn't tell you that women of india has signed giant petitions
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to get fire arms, because the police won't protect them. >> i have fbi crime statistics that come out a year late. 20% crime drorngs real violent crime, more guns means less crime. britain took the guns, tripling of your overall crime. overall, muggings -- the men raped the woman to death. the iron rods didn't do it. hitler took the guns, fidel castro took the guns, i am here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our fire arms t doesn't matter how many lemmings you get. we will not relinquished them that is why you are going to
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fail, and the establishment knows, how much propagand athe republic will riz again. my family, in the texas revolution against santa an amy family was at the core starting that sana anna came to take the guns. piers, don't try what your ancestors d i will take you out shooting, you become an american and join the republic. >> you are finished? >> you will not take my fnchlt you go through background checks to get guns. prozac, that is the big sponsor. have to cut that off. don't want to talk about the number one cause of death is sussuede, because they give people suicide mass murder pills. >> calm down. >> you put more crazy people on drug. >> let's try to have a debate here. >>im sick of the same old script here, bud.
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>> how many gun massacres were there in america last year. >> 74% of those were gang related. gang bangers shooting each other. >> that wasn't the question. >> how many people died from infections and hospitals? >> how many gun murderers were there in britain last year? >> how many great white sharks kill people? people are scared to swim. >> how many gun murders? >> i have did pull up the statistics. i figured you would do that. >> u.k., capital of europe. >> it is a simple question. >> you are a very loud man. >> to ask me a little factoid. >> it is lower. >> let me, exactly my point. >> you have hordes of people beating out women's brains out every day.
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>> what a ridiculous argument argument. >> they defend themselves that is on record. everybody is fleeing that country, because you have had to flee here, bud. >> you fled here. >> go back and face the charges for the hacking scandal. >> how many -- >> why did you get fired from the "daily mirror." >> are you a hatchet man of the new world order. i will say this. you think you are a tough guy. have is me back with a boxing ring, you can wear red, white and blue, you can wear your jolly roger -- >> how many -- >> how many chip pan zee can dance on the head of a pin. >> you said, hundred, it is 35. against 11 thchbltd do you understand the difference between 11,000 and 35? >> they want to ban knives now.
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you are going to ban knives? the gun doesn't kill people. >> do you understand the difference between 35 and 11,000? >> you are not going to pull on the heart strings, you are not going to get our guns. >> you we have take the semiautos, they aren't used by a fraction of the crimes. pull the numbers up. >> hold on. >> let me ask you a question, which weapon was moved in the aurora movie theater shooting? >> a semi-automatic. >>. >> do you agree it was the single biggest shooting in the history of america n terms of people hit by shoot sner do you know that? >> no, i believe there were others. >> no. no. this was the single biggest mass shooting. >> bombings of wall street. >> listen. >> why --
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>> you have had a lot to sigh. answer the question. >> the second amendment you are not getting it. >> do you know which weapon was used in the oregon mass shooting recently? >> i know the people who are mentally ill who play shoot them up games, because there is criminals, i don't lose my rights. >> answer the question. do you know what the weapon used was? >> let me ask you a question. i have the fbi statistics. >> no, no. >> take a break. when we come back, try and answer my questions. >> all you are going to do is play factoid questions. overall crime has gone up 20%. >> doesn't easy to get a word n things get more heated. push-ups or sprints? what's wrong with fetch? or chase?
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>> here is how it is going to work. i will ask you some questions. in the spirit of a proper debate. you have had a lot to say, a lot into me. i am not- -- you are running the
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show, bring your victims up front. >> you got your note cards. i just gave you fbi statistics, that violent crime is down 20%. you want to go to factoids. >> anybody can pull those up. do you have a body guard? why do you have body guards? >> i don't have a body guards. >> i have seen you. >> gun confiscation. >> here is what campaign. >> give me your cue cards, i will answer your -- >> what was the weapon used at sandy hook. >> 223 m-4. again. they are usinged in low
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percentages. you guys. >> you are seeing a pattern. >> people wouldn't go swimming, because of the movie "jaws." . >> let me say something. >> there is no metal shark in the water. >> same tich weapon was used in the last three shootings. >> hitler -- why is the government arming to the teeth against us? what about "fast and furious." >> let's have a debate. i get accused. -- alex. i get accused when i get you on, talking over you and being rude. you have to try to answer sbhf the questions. here is my issue for you. why do people need, civilians need an ar-15 type assault rifle? >> answer the question. >> that is used -- >> used in the the last three mass shootings. >> they advertise in the media, if somebody jumps off the empire state building, copiy cats come
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to do it again. the media hypes. don't just commit suicide, kill a bunch of kids, here is the gun to use it. is the one that u.s. army uses. >> why do people need them? >> to protect us from the number one killer in history, government in the 20th century, a study out of hawaii, killed 292 million. it is called demoicide. google it. >> should everybody have one if they want one. >> in the 23 richest countries in the world, you have- -- america was born on guns and whiskey. it is true we are a violent society. knives kill three times more. have you seen the fbi numbers? >> alex. talk about the guns. >> it is the rock it. is not the knife. when a mother chops her kids up
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with a clever. >> why would you want to -- >> america's number one unnatural death is suicide. not cancer, not -- >> you accused me of attacking the second amendment of the constitution. >> i want to get people off pill that is make you commit suicide and kill people. i want to blame the culprit, suicide pills. >> first time anybody heard this. by the way. >> your concern is that you will be over run by a tiranical regime. >> look at mexico. total gun ban for the -- >> we have 35 gun murders a
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year. >> it is the higher crime rate. violent crime is higher. it is brains, it is people. >> i am trying to get inside your brain. >> if you punched me, it would be not your fist, your brain that did it. >> let me get inside your brain. you have a big flatform. -- i am on over 140 stations. a million visitors a day. info >> who do you believe was behind 9/11. >> i have police saying, get back, they are going to blow up seven. i have the proof. i heard them on cbs radio. >> who, alex? >> they announced they blew up the towers. new yorkers saw it and heard it. they blew up building seven. >> who do you believe was behind it. >> criminal, the same one that is staged gulf of tonkip, the mass shootings of operation
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gladio. >> do you mean that it president bush, his administration were behind 9/11? >> mine stream news reported that hijackers were reported to be allowed into the united states. the head of the visa department blew the whistle on that. >> to murder americans? >> i can speak in an accent as well. to bring in marshall law in germany, april 27th, 1933. governments have staged terror attacks throughout history or ax low terrorists to attack. >> how many guns do you own? >> i probably own more 50 fire arms, many have increased in value, i sleep comfortable, i sleep knowing i can defend my
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family. >> this is the man who wants to deport me. >> to point out are you a foreign, a red coat, here, telling us what to do. >> go back to where they took the gun fus don't like it. >> an interview had to see to believe. a petition to deport me, the white house responded saying, nobody should be punished by the government simply because he or she expresses an opinion on the second amendment or any other matter of public concern. the reaction to the rant. next.o clos to the options floor... [ indistinct shouting, bell dinging ]'ll bust your brain box. ♪ all on thinkorswim from td ameritrade. ♪
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>> nobody knows the pain of gun violence as the kennedy family. the conversation with a hundred of the top experts. welcome to you both. two kennedy, i can't think of two better people to ask about this debate. your reaction to the interview i had with alex jones, what did you feel? >> it was disheartening. just to see the anger, and also, he kept talking about the second amendment. thomas jefferson said it should be revisited every 20 years to see if it is still appropriate. this is something written a long time ago. he probably doesn't even know what the intent of the second amendment was. for him to quote this, and the
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absolute -- it is disheartening. >> i was just disturbed. disturbed as a human being this is what our civil discourse has come to. what makes our country great, we are about passing power peacefully, not violently. in my last year as a member of congress, half of the members of congress had to live wearing bulletproof vests and have armed guards. in the aftermath ever obamacare, and these kinds of threatening comments like the man you had on, were blocking members of congress to be able to go and vote. you may recall, of that. people like john lewis were called racial epithets, this wasn't isolated. this was in the nation's capital
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and around the country. whether it is guns or this issue of mental health or anything that is a hot button issue, where we can't talk to one another. that is the more disruptive, disturbing thing. i felt threatened, when he was threatening you. the fact that we are not thinking about one another in those ways. he was assaulting your human dignity. >> i mean, personally, i never felt threatened by him. it was one of those, you will let him talk. he has millions listen to him and believe what he says. there is a leading commentator in american society, saying that the american government ordered this under president bush this
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is the stuff of madness. >> when you talk about guns, being able to be purchased by people who have underlying mental illness, i wrote a book about addiction, 60% of those who present who have one, have the other. ill folks who are able to get weapons of mass destruction. >> that is what the weapons r people like alex jones, nra and others, they shout so regularly, they frame the argument, they are trying to grab our guns, i don't want to change the second amendment. i don't want to change the person's right to defend their home. i want to get rid of the killing machines. get rid of them. >> guns don't kill people, people kill people. yes, try killing that many people in such a short amount of time with a hammer or knife.
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>> in the same week of sandy hook, a manman in china attacked a school. and stabbed 22 children. they all lived. that is all you need to know. had he had a gun, they would all be dead. guns kill that is their only purpose. >> patrick and i come from a family that have been affected. those people in aurora and sandy hook, they will be affected for years to come. and those people, demanding the rights to have those guns, for those that are suffering is disconcerting. >> are you surprised, in following the assassinations of
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john f. kennedy, of bobby kennedy, where we are in a country now, that mass shootings are happening with regularity, and nobody is doing much about it. >> without impugning the integrity of those who have possessions. we need to have a more fundamental discussion. our democratic system is falling apart as a country. we can't understand and bridge the divide between us. that leads us to fight each other, and look at each other as enemies, i think that is a fundamental problem. i think the gun issue is sparking this. you can see, our democracy is in peril right now. it is that kind of fear, parnoia that is substituting for debate. >> it has real consequences.
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as we saw in december, america has a surge in sales of assault weapons and ammunition. i could talk to you all night about it. it is a terrific book. recover to live. a terrific book. great to see you again. >> when we come back, a man who says he wants to have a meaningful discussion about guns in america. can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. all right, give me a spot. you know my motto: safety first. they could be dangerous. i think we should call animal control.
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sgltd last time i taked to larry pratt, he pushed me to this. you are an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you? round two, the executive director of gun owners of america. >> why did you agree to come back? >> i thought we could help you sell more newspapers? >> increase your viewership. >> we are televig. you are aware of that? >> yes, of course. >> if you were in a meeting with vice president biden, what would you be saying? >> that discussion has not been going anywhere that we can tell in a productive way. we are not making so people can defend themselves, in the gun-free zones, the scene of all of the mass murders for the last 20 years, hopefully, we will
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come to the realization that repeating the same policy year after year, getting the same deadly results, is only going to get us the same deadly results the next time. >> your solution, if you were there in that meeting would be to arm every school, every church, everybody hospital, everywhere the members of public would be? >> you would want to encourage people who are qualifying to carry a concealed fireman to be able to do so in a school zone. right now, that is illegal. all but a couple of our state and some of our institutions of higher learnings. by and large, it is prohibited. that needs to stop. we have been using those as magnets, where all of our mass murders have been occurring in these gun-free zones it. seems that we have a fixation with the idea that no defense is a good defense, and that is not
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a good idea. >> here is my issue with this gun-free zone claim that you keep making, you are not the only one who make temperatures unless i am wrong, the mass shooters pretty well know they are going die. they go to kill a lot of people. then they know, at some stage, they will die. all mass shooters, pretty much all of them get killed. >> frequently, they kill themselves. >> why would e a gun-free zone make any difference to them? >> they are looking, it would seem n their sick minds to, see if there a can out-do the virginia tech slaughter or some other thing that may number their perverted minds. why should we give them a neon sign that says, see if you can do better than the last guy over here. >> there was an armed sheriff at colbin, and fort hood, one of the most guarded bases, 13 were
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killed. >> it a gun-free zone. no guns on base unless you were an mp. >> it remains one of the guarded military bases in the world. >> a lot of good that did. >> my point s when you have a mass of well-trained people, and a mass of firearms, can still have massacres, you accept that? >> when you are telling the potential victim, you can't be armed. you have to wait for theical valerie to get here, in the case of newtown, 20 minutes later i find it unconscionable. >> doing the rounds with a book that he has, he said he doesn't want his family anywhere near the assault weapons i am exercised about. >> i spent a lifetime career carrying a weapon. they fire a 556 rounds at 3,000
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feet per second when it hits human flesh, it is devastating that is what i want soldiers to carry. i don't want them around the schools, on our streets, i think that if we can't, it is not a complete fix to address assault weapons f we don't get serious when we see children being buried, i can't think of a time when we should. >> why do you know more about the impact and capability of assault weapon than general mcchrystal. >> why the general was busy defending the country, most of the time, outside of the country, he may have not noticed the korean merchants, who used ar-15 rifles to defend themselves against mobs. >> when was that? >> during the los angeles riots. >> 20 years ago. >> do you know how long ago it
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was? >> you made this point, it was 1992. 20 years ago. never been anything like it before or after. indeed. >> after katrina, it was these firearms used by the people in new orleans, to defend themselves. after hurricanes in florida, it was people using these firearms able to defend themselves when you have one woman in a closet, when she is able to defend herself, she was out of bullets in her six-shot revolver. if there were two assailants, i don't think she would have done so well. >> the assault rifle, widely available, even in connecticut,
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who has tight gun control law, why do you feel that civilians should still be able to have access to these killing machines? >> well, because the general and his troops are not going to be there to protect the average american, the military, nor the police, after an earthquake, after riots. i appreciate his service to the country in the military. he is not dealing with what civilians have to put up in the vacuum of somebody being around to protect them. we are on our own. i don't want to do it with a two-shot, or the poor georgia woman's six-shot revolver. i want to protect myself and my family it is not likely to be one roving bad guy it is likely to be a gang.
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we willny sufficient firepower to protect ourselves. >> i think you have sufficient firepower, you have 300 million guns in circulation. i want to read the circumstances to you, i heard you this morning, talking to alex jones, who i had on earlier, we will play more from him a bit later, you were talking about the figures from britain, how the gun control in britain has been a fiasco, and crime is throughout roof. i dug out the official figures, the homicide figures from guns in england and wales, by comparison to the united states of america, going back to 2000 three. i will read them quickly to you. i think they make a point. 2003, gun murders in england, 68. in america, 11,920. in 2004, 73, england, and america, 11,624. in 2005, 50, in england and
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wales, in america, 12,three 52. it goes on, same levels in both countries. let me finish, here is my point. every time i hear you say that there is a safer country, where you have more guns, my brain takes me bake to the figures. in britain, we had a similar number of school children murdered with guns this is the result of what happens when you take a responsible action to respond to a massacre bebeyond any comprehension y do you persist in trying to persuades american that it is complete opposite is true? >> according to the data that you are using for the murder rate in england is a shame. there is a monumental misreporting of what constitutes murder. if three are murdered, it is
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likely to be counted as one event. >> that is an absolute lie. no, you see. >> you don't know what you are talking about. >> mr. pratt t doesn't take long to count 50 gun murders. >> go tell the constabulary of britain if they are lying, ask you them for an apology, why don't you. >> you are telling me, these are simply invented statistics, that figures for gun murders are many more times that? nchlgs that is exactly what your own constabulary is saying, i don't know if you included in your litany, the murders that occurred well after the gun ban, in which 12 people were murdered. i had to look up where it is, it happens to be on the west coast of england. >> don't be patronnizing.
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41 in 2009, 39 in 2011. >> no, 970. i don't know what you are talking about. >> this is nonsense, mr. pratt. >> you are from another planet, mr. morgan. that is why you are having trouble living in america. >> you are telling me on cnn, we had how many gun murders last year? >> 970. >> you have propagated an absolute lie. 2011, there were 39 gun murders in england and wales. >> go tell the editors. >> there were 39 gun murders. >> you are whisling past the grave yard. >> you are deliberately lying, and twist t so americans watching this tempted to buy in to your ludicrous fear game, rush out tomorrow, and buy more
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weapons and more ammunition. more guns less gun crime. less gun murders, it is a falsee, based on lies, you propagated another limpt you said that a figure of 39, the official figures, from the british home office, 39 gun murders n england and wales, you are outrageous. what you do is out ages. >> youul feel better being defenseless unless you need a gun. it will be too late to buy your insurance policy. >> larry pratt, on the interview heard around the world. with alex jones. and parmesan crunch two delicious shrimp selections on one plate! all with salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits. 30 shrimp, just $11.99 for a limited time.
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to block pain signals for hours of relief. capzasin-hp. take the pain out of arthritis. back now with larry pratt, executive director of gun owners of america. let's play a clip from my interview with your friend alex jones from monday night's show. >> i'm here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. it doesn't matter how many lemmings you get on the street begging to have the guns taken. we will not relinquish them. do you understand? that why you're going to fail and the establishment knows no matter how much propaganda, the republic will rise again when you try to take our guns. >> what do you make of mr. jones performance on the interview? >> well, it seemed that you had
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i proved your demeanor quite a bit from my own experience with you, and i congratulate you for maintaining it during that whole interview. >> he maintains the whole reason that americans need to be heavily armed is because of a threat of a tyrannical regime coming from your own government, the american government, against the american people. do you believe that? >> that is what our founders believed. that is what is important. that is why we have the second amendment. as all of our bill of rights, our ten amendments, are designed to limit what the federal government can do. that includes the second amendment, ensuring the right of the people to keep and bear arms. >> as you know, that applies to a well-regulated militia. >> you are going to lose that argument increasingly. the courts agree that was the militia act of 1796 which required all able-bodied men to own a military rifle so that
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they would have it at the ready were they called up. >> how many guns do you want in america, mr. pratt? >> that is not for me to decide. that is for individual americans to decide. >> do you think every american should have an ar-15? >> every american should be able to get an ar-15. i understand, there are plenty of people who are not going to want that. there are probably people who would rather have a superior firearm. that is their choice. >> what are you going to do if president obama wins his battle and brings in new gun control legislation? >> well, he is not going to do it by legislative in my opinion. what i'm concerned about and have been concerned about, well before the elections, having seen the president rule by executive order where he has no authority in other areas, the vice president has hinted at a similar order, that throws into
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question the legitimacy of the federal government. i advise mr. obama to consider what happened to george the third, when he was doing similar things against the americ americans. >> you are likening him to george the third? >> that was one of the major contributory elements to our war for independence. george the third, as you know, was so stresds by the loss of his famous favorite colony, he ended his days in a nut house. i wouldn't wish that on anybody. >> when you look at you, you look for a sense of humanity from you. you could react to the sandy hook massacre, the way i did, and others d i never see it. all i see a determined attempt
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to make sure the only outcome is that gun manufacturers sell more guns, as we saw in december, record gun sales and ammunition. >> where is the humanity to tell people, they must be victims, sit there patiently and wait their turn for a bullet. is that humanity? >> where is the humanity in doing nothing after these massacres? >> the reality was being able to do nothing during the massacre. that is the lack of humanity that is what we are trying to rectify. you know, what i know this will come as more lies from larry pratt, it is entirely possible that house of representatives will approve a bill by representative stockman to do away with the gun-free school zones. >> i would be happy with that, if issue in the school would be
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running around with guns. >> are you a good guesser. >> where would they put them? >> when one conseals a fire arm nobody knows for sure. and the person doesn't know which person is able to stop him. that is why our jurisdictions, with easy access to concealed carry firearms enjoy less the gun control mecca of chicago which does better than one murder a day. >> let me end by asking you one more question. i think people watching will be curious. you're a very experienced man in your field. you've run your operation for a long time. people take you seriously. you're a leading member of the gun rights lobby. and people believe what you say. i'm going to give you one more chance before we finish to say again how many gun murders you believed were in england and wales in 2012? >> more important than the
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number of murders -- and it doesn't matter how a murder is committed. i'm not going to really care about -- >> can you repeat the number of gun murders that you said earlier? >> the data we have seen was 970. but that pales in significance compared to your violent crime rate overall, the rapes, the muggings, the beatings. >> mr. pratt, everyone watching can now get on the internet, go on to google or go to the home office sites from england and wales and they can check that figure for themselves. and when they see the accurate figure of gun murders in my country was 39 in 2011. and they see that the figure in their country was over 11,000 -- >> and remember that your own investigature of constabulary said your data are a sham. >> they can make their own minds
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this week, america's focused on guns like never before. >> frankly, times i couldn't believe what i was hearing. jon stewart and stephen colbert are always watching. listen to what they have to say about guns and about one very angry man, alex jones. >> i'm here to tell you, 1776