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>> hi. i absolutely love the video. >> reporter: this video -- >> inviting you to my senior prom on may 23rd. >> reporter: from the chase lounge to the mirror, he wooed her. >> we can ride around all night long. until 11:00. that's my kerr few. >> reporter: he recounted their commonalities. >> you're on the cover of "sports illustrated." i read "sports illustrated." >> reporter: and she's being a good sport about your invitation, jake. she even tweeted, how can i turn down that video? i'll check my schedule. other mere mortals asked out celebrities. this girl was invited to the marine corps ball via youtube video. they ended up going together. and justice continue timberlake got an invite from this marine corporal. >> if you can't go, all i have to say is i'll be crying over it. >> no one had to cry, justin said yes.
but he did a shower scene. >> kate, can i call you katie? okay, kate works. nice touch bantering from the shower, jake. maybe a little too forward. just because kate up ton goes polar bear, doesn't mean you have to. >> you like fun diving, i like fine dining. >> reporter: jake says his friends keep imitating what he calls his nasally voice. >> you like fine dining. i like fine dining. >> reporter: stricken by allergies, meanwhile kate upton has been stricken by pressure. she told a website. >> the pressure is on. i feel like it's you guys, it's the news that's putting it. >> reporter: please don't let us screw it up for him. >> what time should i pick you up if you're interested? >> reporter: she says she still has to adjust her schedule while he's adjusting his savings to splurge on wheels for prom night. >> the old vintage rolls royce that i could rent out. >> reporter: jake has visions of the rolls royce of swimsuit models swimming in his head.
jeannie moes. >> you like fine dining. i like fine dining. >> reporter: new york. >> you know, i took paula abdul to the white house. same year. >> they said yes to you. >> guys like girls with a sense of humor. >> i'm a very funny guy. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next. barack obama arrives in israel for the first time as president of the united states. but where does the american israeli relationship stand? bennett, israel's minister of the economy is here to answer our questions. plus, mayor michael bloomberg called howard shultz ridiculous. he's out front to respond. and the head of colorado's department of corrections answers the door only to be shot down. we take you to the manhunt tonight. let's go "outfront."
good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight with friends like these, well, president obama arrived in israel to day. it was his first trip there as president. everything seemed rosey for a little while between him and benjamin netanyahu. >> and just as we have for these past 6 ayears, the united states is proud to stand with you as your strongest ally and your greatest friend. >> i want to thank you for the investment you have made in our relationship and in strengthening the friendship and alliance between our two countries. >> sounded so perfect. but then -- later in the day things changed. >> iran is a grave threat to israel, a grave threat to the world, a nuclear iran. the united states is committed to dealing with it. >> each country has to make its own decisions when it comes to the awesome decision to engage
in any kind of military action. and israel is differently situated than the united states. >> it's interesting to watch each of their faces during that particular exchange. not just the one talking but the one not happy with what the other one was saying. so where exactly does this relationship stand right after that i spoke with israel's minister of the economy and a member of the security cabinet there. now our viewers, you watch the show all the time, he's been on this program often. he's a former commando in the elite counter-terrorism unit and he served as the chief of staff for benjamin netanyahu from 2006-2008. but now he's a global phenomenon. gracing front pages around the world, the "jerusalem post" called him the man of the moment. the new yorker ran a very lengthy profile. in the uk the headline read, naftali bennett, set to be the powerbroker. he pushes netanyahu rightward.
we asked if he was worried about the relationship between israel and the united states of america. >> well, erin, i think it's okay for friends to disagree on some things. i'll tell you what i saw was a great relationship between our two countries, the bonds between america and israel go way beyond president obama and prime minister netanyahu. started long before and will continue long after. but the president has been very warm towards the israeli people and we certainly appreciate it. >> now the president of the united states and the prime minister did not really come off fully on the same page on iran. just one way of putting this when the prime minister approached the podium, he talked about iran first. president obama mentioned it last. in fact, prefacing it with the word finally. and here's what they said. >> we prefer to resolve this diplomatically. and there's still time to do so. >> diplomacy and sanctions so far have not stopped iran's
nuclear program. >> do you think the u.s. really has, i'll quote president obama, all options on the table when it comes to iran when you hear words like you heard today? >> well, erin, i think we have to look at the facts. and the facts are that words in washington or in jerusalem don't stop centrifuges and events. as all this has gone on, the iranians actually tripled the pace that they're accelerated the pace of uranium enrichment and so it's not actually stopping iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. so i agree with the prime minister that we have to be -- have to have credible threat on the table beyond the diplomatic threat. >> do you trust the united states would truly act in a military all in sort of way if forced with that decision? >> i would hope that america will stand behind us.
you know, we've never asked america to defend us. america's never sent troops to defend israel. we can defend ourselves. but i think that time is very short and we're talking about a threat to the entire world. iran with a nuclear weapon is no different from al qaeda with an atom bomb. that is something the world cannot accept. it would change the whole middle east and in fact the entire world scene. >> you mentioned timing. i want to ask you about that. prime minister netanyahu did seem to backtrack on what he said before. at the u.s. last fall he said about six months, ie now is going to be where that literal red line he drew would come into effect. today though, he responded to a question about whether he agreed with president obama's most recent comment which is that iran has about a year and here is what prime minister said. >> hasn't yet reached the red line that i described in my
speech at the u.n. they're getting closer. >> we do have a common assessment on these schedules, on intelligence. we share that intelligence. and we don't have any -- any argument about it. >> whether you hear that, do you worry that the world may say prime minister netanyahu has cried wolf? he said this was urgent. we had a time and now he is saying wait another year. >> i'm confident that prime minister netanyahu will do everything to defend israel and not allow iran to acquire a nuclear weapon. and i'm also hopeful that president obama will indeed, you know, keep our backs or have our backs as he called it. i think america respects the notion that we can't outsource our security to anyone else. and if push comes to shove, israel will defend itself at any price. we hope that we won't need to get to that and the way to
prevent it is to create a viable, a credible threat, a paralyzing threat to iran which we're not there quite yet. >> on the peace process, a very crucial topic here. president obama said, look, i'm going to listen on that and go home and then i'll be ready to talk about it. here's what you said on this program back in november. >> every time we vacate a piece of land, hand it over to the palestinians, what we got in return was a mass wave of terror. we have to learn the lesson. just as the united states or president obama would not imagine to negotiate with -- >> that's a false comparison. >> and here's what president obama said in june 2009 on that obviously famous trip to cairo. >> let there be no doubt the situation for the palestinian people is intolerable. and america will not turn our backs on the legitimate palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.
>> and then that was a few years ago. does he still believe it? here's what he said today. >> let me just reiterate that a central element of a lasting peace must be a strong and secure jewish state where israel's security concerns are met alongside a sovereign and independent palestinian state. >> would you ever accept that, a sovereign and independent palestinian state? >> well, it's no secret than my opinion is that forming palestinian state just five minute ride from where i'm sitting right now would, in fact, create a terrible situation in israel and 100-year-long conflict between us and the arabs. as a citizen of israel who lives, what, three or four miles from the potential palestinian state, i don't want my own children to be under direct fire
from terrorists and what happens down gaza strip and lebanon, any area we vacated turned into a launch pad for missiles and terror attacks on us. certainly i can tell you that i do not want war. i've served in wars. i've lost friends in wars. more than many others. so there are nothing israel and myself seek more than having peace with the arabs but not at the risk or in fact of the almost certainty of risking my children's lives. >> naftali, the justice minister today told our jessica yellen it is clear in israel that syria used chemical weapons. obviously the united states, the president and the state department have said they have seen the reports. they have not yet confirmed whether they think syria has used chemical weapons, whether it be the government or the opposition. have you seen proof that
al-assad or the opposition used them? >> well, i don't know about proof. we're very concerned about these chemical weapons being taken or handed over to hezbollah in lebanon. i'll remind you there's roughly 60,000 missiles in lebanon targeted at the north and center of israel. the chemical weapons exist in syria. the missiles exist in lebanon. and when you connect the two, it's a mortal risk for israel and we'll protect ourselves against this sort of action. >> naftali bennett on the security. it's been three months since the shooting at sandy hook elementary school. but to night we just -- this just crossed. it shocked us. a statistic on gun permits. plus the ceo of starbucks comes "outfront." he takes on mayor michael bloomberg and all of washington. why not? and a set of giant rockets discovered in the bottom of the ocean. we're going to show you the pictures and tell you exactly where these came from.
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caught on camera without realizinging it, choking wi jok benjamin netanyahu that he's thrilled to get away from washington. >> it's good to get away from congress. >> well, even the music couldn't hide that. it's been less than a week since the president looked like he couldn't get enough of his friends on the hill. remember the dinners, nice wine, phone calls, meetings? where did that guy go? "outfront" tonight, howard shultz, ceo of starbucks. he's been calling out washington dysfunction along with running starbucks. really appreciate you taking the time. that open mike slip, i guess probably doesn't surprise you. >> not at all. i mean i think we're facing a situation in america where i would not loosely describe it. i would describe it as a crucible. the crucible is $17 trillion in debt, 14 million people unemployed, 42 out of 50 states are facing a budget deficit. and to be honest there is very
little leadership coming out of washington. so i think what i tried to do is raise these issues with civility, whether you're republican or democrat, we're all americans. and i think we deserve more. we deserve better. and washington really needs to help us create the kind of leadership and decision making by putting their feet in the shoes of every day americans. that's not what's going on. >> you recently were speaking at the national retail federation and you said that the lack of leadership in washington, i just want to quote you, because i thought it was beautifully said, is sapping the life blood, the soul and the confidence of our country as the world witnessed a lack of leadership in the united states. is that message ever going to get through? a are we reaching a point where you say i grew up poor, i became wealthy, i was able to start a company and it's not going to be able to happen to people in the next generation? >> i think you're bringing up
very important question that, you know, let's frame it as the future of the american dream. and whether or not that dream is filled with the same level of aspiration today that it was 10, 20, 30 years ago. i think it's under question. however, we still live in the greatest country in the world with a treasure trest of resources and opportunities. this is really not about the american people. this is about putting policies and legislation in place that is not divisive, leaving party at the door and focusing on america. and i think, you know, we've seen things like this before in our lives. but perhaps nothing quite like the polarization we're facing today. >> let me ask you about something else getting so much conversation and you are right smack in the middle of it. mayor michael bloomberg's ban on sugary drinks. it's hard to keep track of the bans on things he's doing. starbucks isn't going to comply while this is little gated in the courts. he has a pretty good history, he
fights with courts until he wins. he called your objection ridiculous. but let me ask you a question. >> i heard him say that. >> yeah, he said you were ridiculous. >> well, i, you know, i know the mayor. i have tremendous respect for him. this is how i see this issue. first off, starbucks is in compliance with the law that he is proposing. and secondarily, our business is really based on customization. and that customization is one of the reasons why we've been successful because people are able to customize their own beverage. i think americans and adults are old enough and mature enough to make their own decisions with regard to the customerization. we will comply with the law one way or the other. but the way the law was proposed, it did not cover what we do. most of our drinks are with milk, not with sugar. >> with milk, not with sugar. all right, let me ask you about that. there was a study, 180,000 obesity deaths in america, i'm sorry, worldwide, 22,000 in the united states can be linked to sugary drinks. that is a stunning number.
so we looked at starbucks and i have to admit, there are drinks at starbucks i love but it means foregoing a meal. 57 570 calories, 80 grams of sugar. so coke is getting slaughtered. but don't you feel that you kind of have a problem, too? >> that particular beverage that you just talked about is probably less than 1% of starbucks sales. that's a small beverage. our core business is brewed coffee and latte. you're talking about the beverages at the outer edge. >> i'm talking the ones that tempt me, that's all. i have to admit. you know, i'm just saying is part of the responsibility on the seller not just the person buying? >> well, we're putting caloric content on the menu. so we are being very responsible and 100% transparent.
that's the business we're in. to be truthful and honest with our customers. we'll comply with whatever the law happens to be in all fairness to the mayor. >> i have to talk to howard shultz the one place i have never seen a starbucks in every corner that, of course, italy. and it's actually the country that inspired shultz to create starbucks and the lifestyle. so why are there no starbucks in italy and will there ever be one. his answer is pretty daming. go to our website. we have that special. new developments in the newtown shooting and why there will be more guns in newtown. plus, has the gop turned its back on god? we ask conservatives why the word christian didn't show up wednesday in the republican autopsy. and president obama's car troubles in israel. why a tow truck, yes, a tow truck, had to be called to get his car to jerusalem.
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annually for gun permits. that goes back to 2009. last year though, 169. obvio obviously, you know when newtown happened, december 14th. a good portion of those were in the last two weeks of the year. since that day, 82 permit applications had been filed. now police say some of the requests are because of potential new laws that could limit gun ownership rights. meantime, the debate over gun laws is raging in newtown. many are angry and upset at congress for giving up the fight to ban assault weapons like the one that was used to slaughter the children in newtown. mary snow is "outfront." >> reporter: with the pain raw just three months after the sandy hook elementary school massacre, there are still messages of support coming from around the world. but it's the message from washington that right now pains alexandra thompson. she supports a ban on assault weapons. and even had a sign for a petition to ban them in her store's window. she takes it personally that the senate has shelved a plan for a
ban. >> you don't need that kind of gun to protect yourself. >> reporter: when you put that sign in your window, did a lot of people come in? >> every day. every day they came in, wanting to know where they could sign for this petition. so -- and i don't know. shame on congress. that's all i have to say. >> reporter: parents of victims have gone to washington to personally appeal to lawmakers. >> i'm jesse lewis' dad. jesse was brutally murder ed at santy hook school on december 14th, 20 minutes after i dropped him off. >> neil testified before senate committee in february calling for a ban on assault weapons. >> those weapons were used in battle fields of vietnam. they were used in the persian gulf. they were used in afghanistan.
and iraq. the sole purpose is to kill a lot on a battlefield quickly. >> also there that day, a reverend of newtown's congressional church. they've been trying to turn up the pressure on lawmakers to ban assault weapons. >> i guess i would say i'm disappointed. i'm not surprised. >> reporter: why? >> well, i think i was down in washington, d.c. i'm not surprised by the reluctance of politicians still even given what's happened here. >> reporter: but reverend crebbin says he'll not give up the fight. >> the event that took place here on december 14th i do think altered america and altered the conversation. and i think what happens though in the short term is that people tend to think that oh, this effect, the newtown effect is going to go away. well, it's clear to us that it's
not going too away. >> reporter: the reverend says even if the assault weapons ban is part of an amendment to a broader gun bill, he'll be thankful. he says he wants to see a vote and he says he plans to hold lawmakers accountable for what he sees as a moral issue. mary snow, cnn, newtown, connecticut. emotional scene that father. still to come, the head of colorado's department of corrections was gunned down on his doorstep at his home. he answered the door and he was murdered. we're going to tell what you is going on with the massive manhunt under way tonight. and the future of same sex marriage and the catholic church. shears a shocker. does pope francis support civil unions for gay couples? and we have an underwater wonder land. we're going to show you the pictures and show what you you're looking at next. all stations come over to mission a for a final go.
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and welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. we begin with what we learned from the state department. we found that they put $5 million bounties on the heads of two americans who allegedly belong to an al qaeda affiliate in somalia. before now the most notable award offered for an american turned al qaeda operative was $1 million. so this is a big increase. meanwhile, an alleged al qaeda operative was indicted today on charges of conspiracy to attack americans in both afghanistan and nigeria. he faces life in prison if convicted on all charges. cnn learned to noit that the cia could be losing control of the drone program. sources tell us the cia would maintain a role but the defense department which, of course, already has its own program, would be the only agency to
operate and fly the drones. daily beast reporter dan yil playingman first broke the story and he tells "outfront" the shift would add an extra layer of accountability because the military has a much more vigorous vetting process when it comes to a kill list. since 2004 the cia conducted 365 drone strikes in pag stkistan a. the operator of the fukushima nuclear plant says iraq is eya rat is to blame for a power outage. a rat may have caused a short circuit in a switchboard that led to the outage and that led to the cooling system to fail. obviously there is no laughing matter. it made us wonder could a rat take down a plant in the united states? it's not likely. critters can cause problems. but facilities here have several backup systems and fukushima is still trying to recover theirs. it sounded like one of those things it's easy to say it could never happen here until it does. let's set a giant rocket
engine used in apollo mission has been recovered from the darkest depths of the sea. now they're seeing the light of day thanks to amazon.com billionaire jeff bezos. he and his team are optimistic that engines belong to the rocket that carried neil armstrong to the moon. each of them weighs nearly nine tons. some of the parts that they're recovering you're looking at here are the size of small cars. now on his blog, he described the scene 14,000 feet below sea level as an underwater wonder land. it has been 594 days since this country lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the federal reserve today scaled back the forecast for economic growth this year, not a good thing. but the fed said, look, we're going to keep on buying bonds, buying bonds, buying bonds. and that, of course, sent the market ever higher. now our fourth story "outfront." killed in cold blood at this hour a manhunt is on for a killer in colorado who gunned down the chief of the state's corrections department. tom clemens was shot last night as he opened the door to his
home in monument, colorado, that is 50 miles south of denver. investigators have not identified a suspect or motive. but they are looking into whether this may have been related to his job. "outfront" tonight, casey wiian in monument. this is a horrific story to even contemplate. are they close to identifying the suspect? >> reporter: erin, it really is a bizarre story, a tragic story. and, no, it doesn't appear that they're close to identifying the person who walked up to the front door of tom clement's house last night and shot him dead, apparently in cold blood. they are telling us that another family member was home at the time of the shooting. they will not identify who that family member is. that person called 911 immediately after the shooting. we do not know of any specific threats against clement before the shooting took place. in fact, he was universally liked, in fact, even loved by many of the people who knew him and worked with him.
investigators say they are not ruling out anything at this point. >> as you know from the start of this investigation when it began last night because of the fact that mr. clement served in the position that he did, as the executive director of colorado department of corrections, we're sensitive to the fact that there could be any number of people who may have a motive for wanting to target him for a crime such as this. however, we also remain open minded to all of the other possibilities as well. >> reporter: now we also spoke, erin, with reverend leon kelly earlier today. he worked with clements on gang prevention programs involving youth in colorado's prison systems. he said he is not the kind of person, was not the kind of person who would make enemies and who would be the target of this kind of a shooting. the reverend kelly did say that this is a reminder of how dangerous working in the corrections department can be, even for people who give their lives, give their careers toward
helping rehabilitate criminals. >> casey, another one of the strongest leads they have is a car that was seen in the clements' neighborhood. what are they saying about that? do they think that really is a lead? >> reporter: yeah. well, several witnesses before that 911 call was placed, about 15 minutes before that 911 call was placed say they saw a strange vehicle in this neighborhood. they said it was about 200 yards from the clements' home and idling and no one was inside the car. here's what investigators said. >> that's being described as something similar to perhaps a late 80s model lincoln, perhaps a cadillac, something of that nature. it's a boxy style vehicle, if you will. it's a two door. it's dark in color. it's either black or some other dark color. it's being described as shiny. we don't have any information on the license plate of that vehicle. obviously that is information we would like to have. >> reporter: other information investigators would like to
have, surveillance video. they're not aware of any in this neighborhood. homes are spaced very far apart. but they are looking at nearby stores, convenience stores, gas stations near the nearest interstate to see if any of those businesses may have video. we did stop at one restaurant in the area and they say investigators were there this afternoon asking them for surveillance video. this restaurant did not have any. but that's one of the areas they're also looking into, erin. >> casey, thank you very much reporting from colorado tonight. now i want to go to rome and whether pope francis is open to something that we were talking about a new pope, nobody thought he would be. civil unions in the catholic church. according to "the new york times," the newly elected pontiff privately supported civil unions for gay couples when the archbishop of buenos aires in 2010. then he publicly opposed gay marriage and went against the government of argentina in so doing. but his willingness to accept ip as compromise if true offers insight into how he might change the church.
"outfront" tonight, father edward beck, host of "the sunday mass," good to see you again. we talked about this getting ready for when we were -- what was going to be the next pope. so senior vatican receives say we have no comment on this. we're not going to say whether he supported civil unions for gay couples or not. what's your take? >> listen, it wasn't so private, there was a bishop's meeting in 2010 of all of the bishops in argentina. he was the head of the bishop's conference. it looked like same sex marriage was going to pass in argentina. so as a compromise, he said we want to come out for human rights. let's support same sex civil union. for the first time in six years they voted him down. he got everything else through as head of that conference. they voted against him which means that most the bishops in that room were less progressive than pope francis on this issue. >> which is pretty incredible. by the way, for some people that may be surprised what civil unions get him is you can have civil unions and you don't have to use the term marry or have a
religious ceremony. >> the clutch is not ready for that, nor would pope francis be ready for that. he wanted to respect human rights. that's the real surprise here that people say he's anti-gay. can you be anti-gay marriage and not be anti-gay. i think there is a distinction here. he is moderate in this issue. >> it's an interesting point. i don't know that everyone would agree with you on that issue of whether you can be anti-gay, anti-gay marriage. but you're trying to draw that distinction, right? >> i think so. there is a distinction to be made. first of all, i don't think we should have heterosexual marriage, civil marriage. >> really? >> no. i think civil marriage, if het row extoll or homosexual, fwz legal rights. it's about rights and responsibilities. marriage, i think for us takes more religious context. so if you want to be married sack nlt mentally and have it blessed, get married f you're jewish get married in your temple. but then everyone is on the same
playing field. those who want to be married or be blessed do that. >> all right. there is another thing, you know, we've talked a lot about this also which is priests marrying. 66% of americans who are catholic believe that priests should be allowed to mayor rich. you talked about this. you're in an order that would not do that even if the pope were to say priests can marry, right? so there is a distinction here. but apparently he said, this is just for the moment i'm in favor of maintaining celibacy. it is a matter of discipline, not faith. it can change. for the moment and not a matter of faith. that seems like a huge thing to say. >> it is huge because we haven't heard a pope say that before. even previously. so he said, yeah, for the first 1100 years of the catholic church he said priests could marry which means it's a possibility. he said now i respect celibacy and what has happened. but he talked in this article, i don't know if you read that, he was at a wedding of an uncle and submit within a girl. he fell head over heels --
>> pope francis? >> yeah, and such a human touch. he said he had a vocational crisis. he didn't understand what to do. he understands the pull. he put a human face on it. he said it is not a matter of faith or doctrine. it is a discipline. it can change. those three words, it can change, well that means maybe as pope he can say it can change. >> that's incredible. and now we just have to get women priests. you already made two great steps for man kind there. >> he did. >> all right. thanks very much father beck. great to see you. >> still to come, god and the gop. is turning away from a focus on religion the only answer of the gop to survive? plus, president obama's trip to israel hits a speed bump. the real reason his limo needed a tow today is next. and there's a growing trend of super skyscrapers, i don't think is a better word to describe some of these guys, being built around the world. who's is biggest?
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yeah. the car's nickname the beast. you've seen it before. see, we're not lying. here is proof. there it is on the flat bed broken down. the beast had actually been shipped from washington to israel. this wasn't like a fill in beast. this was the real deal. and then it wouldn't start. and it had to be towed to jerusalem. the president had not yet arrived. so it wasn't like he was it issing there waiting for a ride. but, you know, it's still embarrassing. fueling speculation about what the secret service was doing after all the president's car is sort of crucial to the pomp and circumstance and frankly logistics of a presidential foreign visit. which brings me tonight's number 6.5 liters. that is the reported size of what some say is a diesel efrnge in the beast. why is that important? a source from the israeli government says the driver of president obama's limo put gasoline instead of diesel into the tank and, of course, that would be a problem. and that would be the reason it did not start. the secret service rep says, no, it was a mechanical problem. the israelis are standing by the original statement. if it's true, then the
president's driver, one of the men in charge of his life, does not seem to know which fuel his car takes. at least we can hope though that he knows what side of the car the gas tank is on. and now let's go to our outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight we go to france where police searched the home of the head of the international monetary fund. police conducted the raid as part of an investigation into her role in settling a business dispute between a french bank and a businessman when she was the finance minister for the country of france. jim bitterman is in paris. i asked him if anyone knew about the investigation. >> reporter: erin, the international monetary fund knew about this investigation going on surrounding the affairs of christine lagarde in france. they chose to discount it when they named her director two years ago. it could very well have a tarnishing effect on her image as squeaky clean image which she's enjoyed up until now. but it's an investigation that has some time to run and has so
far no charges against her have been laid. erin? >> thank you, jim. and now our fifth story "outfront." are republicans ignoring god? after four long months the republican party released its autopsy this week of the 2012 campaign season. it is a rather grim word, autopsy. it wasn't just an election, perhaps. anyway, nearly 100 pages and detailed what went wrong, what the party needs to do to fix it and it was done by fancy consultants. there are 50,000 words on the pages and not one of them is christian. some in the party are not too happy about that. "outfront," the person who wrote about this today and the former communications director for rick santorum 2012. great to see all three of you. a radio host, contributor for fox news said about the gop report, they should be deeply concerned they're going to be alienating their base. it seems to me the leadership of the party is intent on that course. most christian conservatives are not party loyalists over
principle so the gop has a lot more to lose than the christians. really? >> well, i mean i think what we're seeing is a remarkable shift in the power dynamics within the republican party. i mean, not long ago the grassroots the engine that powered the republican electoral victories. george w. bush in 2004 was carried to re-election in ohio because evangelical voters swarmed to the poll to outlaw gay marriage in the state. and put that in the constitution. now we're seeing that not only was christian not anywhere in that report, god was not anywhere in there, church was not anywhere in there. there was no mention of abortion or marriage, two of the driving issues for this base. so to a lot of folks on the religious right, it seemed like the party really doesn't want that much to do with the base anymore. >> kind of amazing. god comes out. remember when god came out on the democratic side. it does seem to be part of a broader shift. the christian base didn't win the election last fall and in four states, same-sex marriage
on the ballot and lost in all four states. anti abortion candidates were also defeated. so what do you think is happening here? the evangelicals just losing all power? >> i don't think so. i still think at the core of the republican party are the social conservatives. they're the ones who vote. they're the ones who care deeply about this country. the future, the way it's going. and quite frankly, i think it's a mistake for the republicans to disavoid all social issues. that might be the only way we can get in front of and court african-american voters, potentially hispanic voters, because of their propensity to be more socially conservative as it relates to religious values. the problem with us in those realms, when you talk about hispanics, we often have a nonstarter out there, and that's our problem with immigration. with african-americans, the same thing. we have a nonstarter. and that some of our views on social safety nets. so until we kind of break down those things, we can actually use religion. we can use god to remind people just where we stand as a party and actually expand our fold
amongst the african-americans and hispanic communities which as we know we did so poorly with them in the last couple election cycles. we need to get them back and get in front of them. and we have a hook here. we just need to break down some of those other barriers so they'll given to us on those social issues. >> hogan, i like your pragmatism. we can use god. and i'm just teasing. i know you didn't mean it that way, it just came out funny. gay marriage. when hogan makes this point, no social issues can help us with african-american/hispanic voters because of religious conservativ conservatives. what about gay marriage? 53% of people think that should be okay. and that's shifting around this country. i think we all can acknowledge there has been a tipping point. i don't know when it's going to become overwhelming, but looks like it's going that way. how can a party win when they're going to say no to an issue that's going the other way? >> well, i a new "washington post" poll found a slim majority of americans under age 50 also support same-sex marriage and that makes it tricky for the
republican coalition. because the younger voters seem to be for it where older voters are against it. i like hogan's framing of this iss issue. you have to look at cultural conservativism in context. when you're looking at what a lot of evangelical conservatives want and care about, they care about better policy for middle-income families. they care about strengthening stable marriages. not just for folks who are christians, but for other folks, as well. so i think when you're taking that core culturally conservative message by moving it away from what looks -- what sounds to many americans like sectarian language about evangelicals and what have you, by making it a general appeal to strengthening families, i think you can have an appealing political message that doesn't turn off nonchristians or the religiously unaffiliated but that really resonates with the evangelical base. >> you need to start getting nonchristians too. good point. thanks to all three, we appreciate it. still to come, the tallest building in the world and why it is great news for the usa.
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