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chelly handler's sidekick. and did i mention this? >> hey, everybody, i'm joey lawrence. >> that's right, co hosted by joey lawrence. upon entering the arena in their bath robes, the contestants are greeted, naturally, by a group of dancing paparazzi. >> katherine west. louie anderson, any nicole eggert. >> that's right, nicole egg effort from "bay watch" and "charles in charge." i know what you're thinking. how do these celebrities prepare for tough competition? turns out there's some pretty intense practicing. >> that's 35 feet. >> all right, louie anderson, pipe down, she's trying to practice. speaking of louie anderson, he's arguably the breakout star from the first episode, ratcheting up the temperature moments before his first dive. >> where's greg? greg, i've got to go up one more level. >> really? >> he has not done this.
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>> that's right greg louganes, the trainer on the show is basically like god help us. and i love the look of horror on kendra wilkinson's face. she is going to do for "splash" what nancy grace did for "dancing with the stars." all eyes were on him as he splashed down in the heart of prime time. >> a standing ovation from greg luganis, really? your move kareem abdul jabbar. >> when it comes to diving, size, well, it really does matter. >> well done, joey lawrence. well done. never saw that one coming.
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all right, back to kareem's dive. >> oh! >> yikes. poor kareem abdul jabbar. i think the look on his face says it all. that is a man who is wondering why he is on that show and wolf blitzer is not. he was not the only one with a rough start. chewy bravo got injured and won't be able to dive, sadly. and the first contestant voted off the show, keshia knight-pulliam who played rudy huckstable on "the cosby show." that's it for the ridiculist. thank you all for watching. barack obama arrives in israel for the first time as president of the united states. where does the american israeli relationship stand? and israel's minister of the economy is here to answer our questions. plus, mayor michael bloomberg called starbucks ceo
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ridiculi ridiculist. and the head of colorado's department of corrections answers the door only to be shot down. we take you to the manhunt tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight with friends like these, well, president obama arrived in israel to day. it was his first trip there as president. everything seemed rosey for a little while between him and benjamin netanyahu. >> and just as we have for these past 65 years, the united states is proudo stand with you as your strongest ally and your greatest friend. >> i want to thank you for the investment you have made in our relationship and in strengthening the friendship and alliance between our two countries. >> sounded so perfect. but then -- later in the day things changed. >> iran is a grave threat to israel, a grave threat to the
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world, a nuclear iran. the united states is committed to dealing with it. >> each country has to make its own decisions when it comes to the awesome decision to engage in any kind of military action. and israel is differently situated than the united states. >> it's interesting to watch each of their faces during that particular exchange. not just the one talking but the one not happy with what the other one was saying. so where exactly does this relationship stand right after that i spoke with israel's minister of the economy and a member of the security cabinet there. now our viewers, you watch the show all the time, he's been on this program often. he's a former commando in the elite counter-terrorism unit and he served as the chief of staff for benjamin netanyahu from 2006-2008. but now he's a global phenomenon. gracing front pages around the world, the "jerusalem post" called him the man of the moment. the new yorker ran a very
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lengthy profile. in the u.k., the headline read, naftali bennett, set to be the powerbroker. he pushes netanyahu rightward. we asked if he was worried about the relationship between israel and the united states of america. >> well, erin, i think it's okay for friends to disagree on some things. i'll tell you what i saw was a great relationship between our two countries, the bonds between america and israel go way beyond president obama and prime minister netanyahu. started long before and will continue long after. but the president has been very warm towards the israeli people and we certainly appreciate it. >> now the president of the united states and the prime minister did not really come off fully on the same page on iran. just one way of putting this when the prime minister approached the podium, he talked about iran first. president obama mentioned it last. in fact, prefacing it with the word finally.
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and here's what they said. >> we prefer to resolve this diplomatically. and there's still time to do so. >> diplomacy and sanctions so far have not stopped iran's nuclear program. >> do you think the u.s. really has, i'll quote president obama, all options on the table when it comes to iran when you hear words like you heard today? >> well, erin, i think we have to look at the facts. and the facts are that words in washington or in jerusalem don't stop centrifuges and events. as all this has gone on, the iranians actually tripled the pace that they're accelerated the pace of uranium enrichment and so it's not actually stopping iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. so i agree with the prime minister that we have to be -- have to have credible threat on the table beyond the diplomatic threat. >> do you trust the united
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states would truly act in a military all in sort of way if forced with that decision? >> i would hope that america will stand behind us. you know, we've never asked america to defend us. america's never sent troops to defend israel. we can defend ourselves. but i think that time is very short and we're talking about a threat to the entire world. iran with a nuclear weapon is no different from al qaeda with an atom bomb. that is something the world cannot accept. it would change the whole middle east and in fact the entire world scene. >> you mentioned timing. i want to ask you about that. prime minister netanyahu did seem to backtrack on what he said before. at the u.s. last fall he said about six months, ie now is going to be where that literal red line he drew would come into effect. today though, he responded to a question about whether he agreed with president obama's most recent comment which is that
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iran has about a year and here is what prime minister said. >> hasn't yet reached the red line that i described in my speech at the u.n. they're getting closer. >> we do have a common assessment on these schedules, on intelligence. we share that intelligence. and we don't have any -- any argument about it. >> when you hear that, neftali, do you worry that the world may say prime minister netanyahu has cried wolf? he said this was urgent. we had a time and now he is saying wait another year. >> i'm confident that ime minister netanyahu will do everything to defend israel and not allow iran to acquire a nuclear weapon. and i'm also hopeful that president obama will indeed, you know, keep our backs or have our backs as he called it. i think america respects the notion that we can't outsource
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our security to anyone else. and if push comes to shove, israel will defend itself at any price. we hope that we won't need to get to that and the way to prevent it is to create a viable, a credible threat, a paralyzing threat to iran which we're not there quite yet. >> on the peace process, a very crucial topic here. president obama said, look, i'm going to listen on that and go home and then i'll be ready to talk about it. here's what you said on this program back in november. >> every time we vacate a piece of land, hand it over to the palestinians, what we got in return was a mass wave of terror. we have to learn the lesson. just as the united states or president obama would not imagine to negotiate with -- >> that's a false comparison. >> and here's what president obama said in june 2009 on that obviously famous trip to cairo. >> let there be no doubt the situation for the palestinian people is intolerable. and america will not turn our backs on the legitimate
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palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. >> and then that was a few years ago. does he still believe it? here's what he said today. >> let me just reiterate that a central element of a lasting peace must be a strong and secure jewish state where israel's security concerns are met alongside a sovereign and independent palestinian state. >> would you ever accept that, a sovereign and independent palestinian state? >> well, it's no secret than my opinion is that forming palestinian state just five minute ride from where i'm sitting right now would, in fact, create a terrible situation in israel and 100-year-long conflict between us and the arabs. as a citizen of israel who
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lives, what, three or four miles from the potential palestinian state, i don't want my own children to be under direct fire from terrorists and what happens down in the gaza strip, up in lebanon. any area we vacated in the last 20 years turned into a launch pad for missiles and terror attacks on us about certainly i can tell you that i do not want war. i've served in wars. i've lost friends in wars. more than many others. so there are nothing israel and myself seek more than having peace with the arabs but not at the risk or in fact of the almost certainty of risking my children's lives. >> naftali, the justice minister told our jessica yellin that it is clear in israel that syria has used chemical weapons. obviously the united states, the
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president and the state department have said they have seen the reports. they have not yet confirmed whether they think syria has used chemical weapons, whether it be the government or the opposition. have you seen proof that bashar al assad or the opposition have used them? >> well, i don't know about proof. we're very concerned about these chemical weapons being taken or handed over to hezbollah in lebanon. i'll remind you there's roughly 60,000 missiles in lebanon targeted at the north and center of israel. the chemical weapons exist in syria. the missiles exist in lebanon. and when you connect the two, it's a mortal risk for israel and we'll protect ourselves against this sort of action. >> naftali bennett on the security. cabinet and also the economy minister for israel. it's been three months since the shooting at sandy hook elementary school. but to night we just -- this just crossed. it shocked us.
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a statistic on gun permits. plus the ceo of starbucks comes "outfront." he takes on mayor michael bloomberg and all of washington. why not? and a set of giant rockets discovered in the bottom of the ocean. we're going to show you the pictures and tell you exactly where these came from. ♪ twith blackberry hub10 and flick typing. built to keep you moving. see it in action at
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our secretary story "outfront," the open mike strikes again. minutes after arriving in jerusalem, president obama was caught on camera without realizing it, joking with benjamin netanyahu that he's thrilled to get away from washington. >> it's good to get away from congress. >> well, even the music couldn't hide that. it's been less than a week since the president looked like he couldn't get enough of his friends on the hill. remember the dinners, nice wine, phone calls, meetings? where did that guy go? "outfront" tonight, howard shultz, ceo of starbucks. he's been calling out washington dysfunction along with running starbucks. really appreciate you taking the time. that open mike slip, i guess probably doesn't surprise you. >> not at all. i mean i think we're facing a situation in america where i would not loosely describe it. i would describe it as a crucible.
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the crucible is $17 trillion in debt, 14 million people unemployed, 42 out of 50 states are facing a budget deficit. and to be honest there is very little leadership coming out of washington. so i think what i tried to do is raise these issues with civility, whether you're republican or democrat, we're all americans. and i think we deserve more. we deserve better. and washington really needs to help us create the kind of leadership and decision making by putting their feet in the shoes of every day americans. that's not what's going on. >> you recently were speaking at the national retail federation and you said that the lack of leadership in washington, i just want to quote you, because i thought it was beautifully said, is sapping the life blood, the soul and the confidence of our country as the world witnessed a lack of leadership in the united states. is that message ever going to get through? are we reaching a point where you say i grew up poor, i became wealthy, i was able to start a company and it's not going to be
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able to happen to people in the next generation? >> i think you're bringing up a very important question. let's frame it as the future of the american dream. and whether or not that dream is filled with the same level of aspiration today that it was 10, 20, 30 years ago. i think it's under question. however, we still live in the greatest country in the world with a treasure chest of resources and opportunities. this is really not about the american people. this is about putting policies and legislation in place that is not divisive, leaving party at the door and focusing on america. and i think, you know, we've seen things like this before in our lives. but perhaps nothing quite like the polarization we're facing today. >> let me ask you about something else getting so much conversation and you are right smack in the middle of it. mayor michael bloomberg's ban on sugary drinks.
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it's hard to keep track of the bans on things he's doing. starbucks isn't going to comply while this is litigated in the court. good for you, although he has a pretty good history. he fights with the courts until he wins. he called your objection ridiculous. but let me ask you a question. >> i heard him say that. >> yeah, he said you were ridiculous. >> well, i, you know, i know the mayor. i have tremendous respect for him. this is how i see this issue. first off, starbucks is in compliance with the law that he is proposing. and secondarily, our business is really based on customization. and that customization is one of the reasons why we've been successful because people are able to customize their own beverage. i think americans and adults are old enough and mature enough to make their own decisions with regard to the customerization. we will comply with the law one way or the other. but the way the law was proposed, it did not cover what we do. most of our drinks are with milk, not with sugar. >> with milk, not with sugar. all right, let me ask you about
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that. there was a study, 180,000 obesity deaths in america, i'm sorry, worldwide, 22,000 in the united states can be linked to sugary drinks. that is a stunning number. but i guess not that surprising. so we looked at starbucks and i have to admit, there are drinks at starbucks i love but it means foregoing a meal. here's one, 20 ounce java chip frappucino with soy, 570 calories, 80 grams of sugar. a 20 ounce coca goal la has less calories. but don't you feel that you kind of have a problem, too? >> that particular beverage that you just talked about is probably less than 1% of starbucks sales. that's a small beverage. our core business is brewed coffee and latte. you're talking about the beverages at the outer edge. >> i'm talking the ones that tempt me, that's all.
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i have to admit. you know, i'm just saying is part of the responsibility on the seller not just the person buying? >> well, we're putting caloric content on the menu. so we are being very responsible and 100% transparent. that's the business we're in. to be truthful and honest with our customers. we'll comply with whatever the law happens to be in all fairness to the mayor. >> i have to talk to howard shultz about the one place i have not seen a starbucks on every corner, that, of course, is italy. and it's actually the country that inspired shultz to create starbucks and the lifestyle. so why are there no starbucks in italy and will there ever be one. his answer is pretty damning, go to gun permits since the shooting at sandy hook has surged. last year 169 and obviously you
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know when new town happened, december 14th. a good portion of those were in the last two weeks of the year. since that day, 82 permit applications have been filed. some of the requests are because of potential new laws that could limit gun ownership rights. the debate over gun laws is raging in new town and many are angry and upset at congress for giving up the right to assault weapons like those used to murder and slaughter children in newtown. >> reporter: with the pain raw just three months after the sandy hook elementary school massacre, there are still messages of support coming from around the world. but it's the message from washington that right now pains alexandra thompson. she supports a ban on assault weapons. and even had a sign for a petition to ban them in her store's window. she takes it personally that the senate has shelved a plan for a ban. >> you don't need that kind of gun to protect yourself. >> reporter: when you put that sign in your window, did a lot of people come in?
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and express support. >> every day. every day they came in, wanting to know where they could sign for this petition. so -- and i don't know. shame on congress. that's all i have to say. >> reporter: parents of victims have gone to washington to personally appeal to lawmakers. >> i'm jesse lewis' dad. jesse was brutally murdered at sandy hook school on december 14th, 20 minutes after i dropped him off. >> neil testified before senate committee in february calling for a ban on assault weapons. >> those weapons were used in the battlefields of vietnam. they were used in the persian gulf. they were used in afghanistan. and iraq. the sole purpose is to kill a lot on a battlefield quickly.
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>> also there that day, a reverend of newtown's congressional church. he and other clergy members have been trying to turn up the pressure on lawmakers to ban assault weapons. >> i guess i would say i'm disappointed. i'm not surprised. >> reporter: why? >> well, i think i was down in washington, d.c. i'm not surprised by the reluctance of politicians still even given what's happened here. >> reporter: but reverend crebbin says he'll not give up the fight. >> the event that took place here on december 14th i do think altered america and altered the conversation. and i think what happens though in the short term is that people tend to think that oh, this effect, the newtown effect is going to go away. well, it's clear to us that it's not going to go away. >> reporter: the reverend says even if the assault weapons ban is part of an amendment to a broader gun bill, he'll be thankful.
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he says he wants to see a vote and he says he plans to hold lawmakers accountable for what he sees as a moral issue. mary snow, cnn, newtown, connecticut. emotional scene that father. still to come, the head of colorado's department of corrections was gunned down on his doorstep at his home. he answered the door and he was murdered. we're going to tell what you is going on with the massive manhunt under way tonight. and the future of same sex marriage and the catholic church. here's a shocker. does pope francis support civil unions for gay couples? and we have an underwater wonder land. we're going to show you the pictures and show what you you're looking at next. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing all? it's lots of things. all waking up.
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and welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. we begin with what we learned from the state department. we found that they put $5 million bounties on the heads of two americans who allegedly belong to an al qaeda affiliate in somalia. before now the most notable award offered for an american turned al qaeda operative was $1 million. so this is a big increase. meanwhile, an alleged al qaeda operative was indicted today on
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charges of conspiracy to attack americans in both afghanistan and nigeria. he faces life in prison if convicted on all charges. cnn has learned tonight that the cia could be losing control of the drone program. sources tell us the cia would maintain a role but the defense department which, of course, already has its own program, would be the only agency to operate and fly the drones. daily beast reporter daniel klegman first broke the story and he tells "outfront" the shift would add an extra layer of accountability because the military has a much more vigorous vetting process when it comes to a kill list. since 2004 the cia conducted 365 drone strikes in pakistan alone. the operator of the fukushima nuclear plant says a rat is to blame for a power outage. a rat may have caused a short circuit in a switchboard that led to the outage and that led to the cooling system to fail. obviously there is no laughing matter. it made us wonder could a rat take down a plant in the united
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states? it's not likely. critters can cause problems. but facilities here have several backup systems and fukushima is still trying to recover theirs. it sounded like one of those things it's easy to say it could never happen here until it does. a set of giant rocket engines used in an apollo mission have been recovered from the darkest depths of the sea. now they're seeing the light of day thanks to billionaire jeff bezos. he and his team are optimistic that engines belong to the rocket that carried neil armstrong to the moon. each of them weighs nearly nine tons. some of the parts that they're recovering you're looking at here are the size of small cars. now on his blog, he described the scene 14,000 feet below sea level as an underwater wonder land. it has been 594 days since this country lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the federal reserve today scaled back the forecast for economic growth this year, not a good thing.
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but the fed said, look, we're going to keep on buying bonds, buying bonds, buying bonds. and that, of course, sent the market ever higher. now our fourth story "outfront." killed in cold blood at this hour a manhunt is on for a killer in colorado who gunned down the chief of the state's corrections department. tom clemens was shot last night as he opened the door to his home in monument, colorado, that is 50 miles south of denver. investigators have not identified a suspect or motive. but they are looking into whether this may have been related to his job. "outfront" tonight, casey wiian in monument. this is a horrific story to even contemplate. are they close to identifying the suspect? >> reporter: erin, it really is a bizarre story, a tragic story. and, no, it doesn't appear that they're close to identifying the person who walked up to the front door of tom clement's house last night and shot him dead, apparently in cold blood. they are telling us that another family member was home at the time of the shooting. they will not identify who that
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family member is. that person called 911 immediately after the shooting. we do not know of any specific threats against clement before the shooting took place. in fact, he was universally liked, in fact, even loved by many of the people who knew him and worked with him. investigators say they are not ruling out anything at this point. >> as you know from the start of this investigation when it began last night because of the fact that mr. clement served in the position that he did, as the executive director of colorado department of corrections, we're sensitive to the fact that there could be any number of people who may have a motive for wanting to target him for a crime such as this. however, we also remain open minded to all of the other possibilities as well. >> reporter: now we also spoke, erin, with reverend leon kelly earlier today. he worked with clements on gang prevention programs involving
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youth in colorado's prison systems. he said he is not the kind of person, was not the kind of person who would make enemies and who would be the target of this kind of a shooting. the reverend kelly did say that this is a reminder of how dangerous working in the corrections department can be, even for people who give their lives, give their careers toward helping rehabilitate criminals. >> casey, another one of the strongest leads they have is a car that was seen in the clements' neighborhood. what are they saying about that? do they think that really is a lead? >> reporter: yeah. well, several witnesses before that 911 call was placed, about 15 minutes before that 911 call was placed say they saw a strange vehicle in this neighborhood. they said it was about 200 yards from the clements' home and idling and no one was inside the car. here's what investigators said. >> that's being described as something similar to perhaps a late 80s model lincoln, perhaps a cadillac, something of that
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nature. it's a boxy style vehicle, if you will. it's a two door. it's dark in color. it's either black or some other dark color. it's being described as shiny. we don't have any information on the license plate of that vehicle. obviously that is information we would like to have. >> reporter: other information investigators would like to have, surveillance video. they're not aware of any in this neighborhood. homes are spaced very far apart. but they are looking at nearby stores, convenience stores, gas stations near the nearest interstate to see if any of those businesses may have video. we did stop at one restaurant in the area and they say investigators were there this afternoon asking them for surveillance video. this restaurant did not have any. but that's one of the areas they're also looking into, erin. >> casey, thank you very much reporting from colorado tonight. now i want to go to rome and whether pope francis is open to
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something that we were talking about a new pope, nobody thought he would be. civil unions in the catholic church. according to "the new york times," the newly elected pontiff privately supported civil unions for gay couples when the archbishop of buenos aires in 2010. then he publicly opposed gay marriage and went against the government of argentina in so doing. but his willingness to accept ip as compromise if true offers insight into how he might change the church. "outfront" tonight, father edward beck, host of "the sunday mass," good to see you again. we talked about this getting ready for when we were -- what was going to be the next pope. so senior vatican receives say we have no comment on this. we're not going to say whether he supported civil unions for gay couples or not. what's your take? >> listen, it wasn't so private, there was a bishop's meeting in 2010 of all of the bishops in argentina. he was the head of the bishop's conference. it looked like same sex marriage was going to pass in argentina. so as a compromise, he said we want to come out for human rights. let's support same sex civil union. for the first time in six years they voted him down. he got everything else through as head of that conference.
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they voted against him which means that most the bishops in that room were less progressive than pope francis on this issue. >> which is pretty incredible. by the way, for some people that may be surprised what civil unions get him is you can have civil unions and you don't have to use the term marry or have a religious ceremony. >> right. obviously the church is not ready for that, nor would pope francis be ready for that. he wanted to respect human rights. that's the real surprise here that people say he's anti-gay. can you be anti-gay marriage and not be anti-gay. i think there is a distinction here. he is moderate in this issue. >> it's an interesting point. i don't know that everyone would agree with you on that issue of whether you can be anti-gay, anti-gay marriage. but you're trying to draw that distinction, right? >> i think so. there is a distinction to be made.
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first of all, i don't think we should have heterosexual marriage, civil marriage. >> really? >> no. i think civil marriage, heterosexual or homosexual marriage, it's about legal rights. it's about rights and responsibilities. marriage, i think for us takes more religious context. so if you want to be married sack recommend sacrementall or have it blessed, get married. if you're jewish, get married in your temple p.m. but then everyone is on the same playing field. those who want to be married or be blessed do that. >> all right. there is another thing, you know, we've talked a lot about this also which is priests marrying. 66% of americans who are catholic believe that priests should be allowed to mayor rich. you talked about this. you're in an order that would not do that even if the pope were to say priests can marry, right? so there is a distinction here. but apparently he said, this is just for the moment i'm in favor of maintaining celibacy. it is a matter of discipline, not faith. it can change. for the moment and not a matter of faith.
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that seems like a huge thing to say. >> it is huge because we haven't heard a pope say that before. even previously. so he said, yeah, for the first 1100 years of the catholic church he said priests could marry which means it's a possibility. he said now i respect celibacy and what has happened. but he talked in this article, i don't know if you read that, he was at a wedding of an uncle and he was smitten with a girl. he fell head over heels -- >> pope francis? >> yeah, and such a human touch. he said he had a vocational crisis. he didn't understand what to do. he understands the pull. he put a human face on it. he said it is not a matter of faith or doctrine. it is a discipline. it can change. those three words, it can change, well that means maybe as pope he can say it can change. >> that's incredible. and now we just have to get women priests. you already made two great steps for mankind there. >> he did. >> all right. thanks very much father beck. great to see you. >> thank you. still to come, god and the gop. is turning away from a focus on religion the only answer of the gop to survive? plus, president obama's trip to israel hits a speed bump.
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hit a speed bump today. the armored limousine supposed to drive him from the airport, it broke down. yeah. the car is nicknamed the beast. you've seen it before. see, we're not lying. here is proof. there it is on the flat bed broken down. the beast had actually been shipped from washington to israel. this wasn't like a fill in beast. this was the real deal. and then it wouldn't start. and it had to be towed to jerusalem. the president had not yet arrived. so it wasn't like he was sitting there waiting for a ride. but, you know, it's still embarrassing. fueling speculation about what the secret service was doing after all the president's car is sort of crucial to the pomp and circumstance and frankly logistics of a presidential foreign visit. which brings me tonight's number 6.5 liters. that is the reported size of what some say is a diesel engine in the beast. why is that important? a source from the israeli government says the driver of president obama's limo put gasoline instead of diesel into the tank and, of course, that would be a problem. and that would be the reason it did not start.
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the secret service rep says, no, it was a mechanical problem. the israelis are standing by the original statement. if it's true, then the president's driver, one of the men in charge of his life, does not seem to know which fuel his car takes. at least we can hope though that he knows what side of the car the gas tank is on. and now let's go to our outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight we go to france where police searched the home of the head of the international monetary fund. police conducted the raid as part of an investigation into her role in settling a business dispute between a french bank and a businessman when she was the finance minister for the country of france. jim bitterman is in paris. i asked him if anyone knew about the investigation. >> reporter: erin, the international monetary fund knew about this investigation going on surrounding the affairs of christine lagarde in france. they chose to discount it when they named her director two years ago. it could very well have a
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tarnishing effect on her image as squeaky clean image which she's enjoyed up until now. but it's an investigation that has some time to run and has so far no charges against her have been laid. erin? >> thank you, jim. and now our fifth story "outfront." are republicans ignoring god? after four long months the republican party released its autopsy this week of the 2012 campaign season. it is a rather grim word, autopsy. it wasn't just an election, perhaps. anyway, nearly 100 pages and detailed what went wrong, what the party needs to do to fix it and it was done by fancy consultants. there are 50,000 words on the pages and not one of them is christian. some in the party are not too happy about that. "outfront," the person who wrote about this today and the former communications director for rick santorum 2012. great to see all three of you. a radio host, contributor for fox news said about the gop report, they should be deeply concerned they're going to be alienating their base.
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it seems to me the leadership of the party is intent on that course. most christian conservatives are not going to be party loyalists over principle. so the gop has a lot more to lose than the christians. really? >> well, i mean i think what we're seeing is a remarkable shift in the power dynamics within the republican party. i mean, not long ago the grassroots evangelical base was the engine that powered the republican electoral victories. george w. bush in 2004 was carried to re-election in ohio because evangelical voters swarmed to the poll to outlaw gay marriage in the state. and put that in the constitution. now we're seeing that not only was christian not anywhere in that report, god was not anywhere in there, church was not anywhere in there. there was no mention of abortion or marriage, two of the driving issues for this base. so to a lot of folks on the religious right, it seemed like the party really doesn't want that much to do with the base anymore. >> kind of amazing. that's how they interpret it.
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>> god comes out of it? remember when god came out on the democratic side. it does seem to be part of a broader shift. the christian base didn't win the election last fall and in four states, same-sex marriage on the ballot and lost in all four states. anti abortion candidates were also defeated. so what do you think is happening here? the evangelicals just losing all power? >> i don't think so. i still think at the core of the republican party are the social conservatives. they're the ones who vote. they're the ones who care deeply about this country. the future, the way it's going. and quite frankly, i think it's a mistake for the republicans to disavow all social issues. that might be the only way we can get in front of and court african-american voters, potentially hispanic voters, because of their propensity to be more socially conservative as it relates to religious values. the problem with us in those realms, when you talk about hispanics, we often have a nonstarter out there, and that's our problem with immigration. with african-americans, the same thing. we have a nonstarter. and that some of our views on
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social safety nets. so until we kind of break down those things, we can actually use religion. we can use god to remind people just where we stand as a party and actually expand our fold amongst the african-americans and hispanic communities which as we know we did so poorly with them in the last couple election cycles. we need to get them back and get in front of them. and we have a hook here. we just need to break down some of those other barriers so they'll given to us on those social issues. >> hogan, i like your pragmatism. we can use god. and i'm just teasing. i know you didn't mean it that way, it just came out funny. gay marriage. when hogan makes this point, no social issues can help us with african-american/hispanic voters because of religious conservatives. what about gay marriage? 53% of people think that should be okay. and that's shifting around this country. i think we all can acknowledge there has been a tipping point. i don't know when it's going to become overwhelming, but looks like it's going that way. how can a party win when they're
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going to say no to an issue that's going the other way? >> well, i a new "washington post" poll found a slim majority of americans under age 50 also support same-sex marriage and that makes it tricky for the republican coalition. because the younger voters seem to be for it where older voters are against it. i like hogan's framing of this issue. you have to look at cultural conservatism in context. when you're looking at what a lot of evangelical conservatives want and care about, they care about better policy for middle-income families. they care about strengthening stable marriages. not just for folks who are christians, but for other folks, as well. so i think when you're taking that core culturally conservative message by moving it away from what looks -- what sounds to many americans like sectarian language about evangelicals and what have you, by making it a general appeal to strengthening families, i think you can have an appealing political message that doesn't turn off nonchristians or the religiously unaffiliated but that really resonates with the evangelical base. >> you need to start getting nonchristians too. good point. thanks to all three, we appreciate it.
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emirate newspaper, the national, america is falling behind when it comes to tallest buildings. sort of the international whose bigger contest of the top ten buildings in the world. only the willis tower, formerly the sears tower made the list. it's number nine in just a few years there will not be any american buildings on that list at all. in the next decade, six new buildings will be added, all of them in asia and the middle east, including saudi arabia's kingdom tower set to open in 2018. it will be the tallest building in the world as well as the first to pass 3,000 feet. that's 564 feet taller than the current champ, which is the burj khalifa in dubai. i've spent time there and it is an absolutely beautiful thing to watch. you can sit there at night and watch it light up for hours. it's kind of sad to think that even with all of our american exceptionalism, this country doesn't have a building that compares.
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because it's not just the world's tallest buildings moving east. economist danny qua has calculated the world's economic center measured by looking at income averages around the world has shifted east. it used to be in the transatlantic, sort of new york/london kind of deal. no, not anymore. now it hovers right over the arabian peninsula. and what's more, if current trends continue, it will shift from what you're looking at now which is the burge in dubai to what you're looking at now which is the las vegas sands in singapore. singapore will be the center of the world. so is there is a connection between tallest building and strongest economy? now, an economist named andrew lawrence is behind something called the skyscraper index which shows that the construction of very tall buildings is actually a great way to predict the onset of economic changes. so here's how it works. when a skyscraper begins construction, everybody is all excited, ebullient, right, the country is growing. usually they are too excited and then there is a dramatic plunge
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in the economic outlook of the country. but according to the index, once the skyscraper has finally finished, the economy will be climbing back. one world trade center will be america's tallest tower when it is completed next year. and even though americans' confidence in the economy is bad, our new tallest building seems to indicate things are looking up. hey, you know, i know it's just one tower. and sure, it's a rather thin hope. but if the index holds true, america's economy is going to be in a way better place, a lot sooner than anybody thought. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all?
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