tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN March 26, 2013 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
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could the supreme court be having second thoughts of taking up the lightning rod issue? today protesters and gay rights supporters swarming the steps of the supreme court and inside the justices were listening to the arguments. bullet point by bullet point. for and against. california's ban on same-sex marriage. that's the so-called proposition 8. the justices have the power to make gay marriage the law of the land. currently, it's actually only the law in nine states and washington, d.c. if you go straight from that to all 50, well, that's a really big edict from the high court and some justices sounded wary of issuing such a broad ruling. >> on a question like that, of such fundamental importance, why should it not be left for the people? either acting through initiatives and referendums or through their elected public officials? >> well, others like justice kennedy questioned why they were hearing the case in the first place which is a pretty
interesting thing. >>. >> i just wonder if the case was properly granted. the problem with the case is that you're really asking particularly because of the sociological evidence you cite for us to go in to unchartered waters. >> unchartered waters. some justices tried to get to the heart of the matter. chief justice john roberts whose first cousin is a lesbian and was in the court asked whether supporters attempting to redefine the word marriage altogether. he was grilling ted olson, a lawyer arguing for same-sex marriage. here's that. >> so it's just about -- just about the label in this case. >> the label is -- >> same-sex couples every other right and just about the label. >> the label marriage means something, even opponents -- >> sure. if you tell a child that somebody has to be their friend, i suppose you can force the child to say, this is my friend. but it changes the definition of what it means to be a friend.
and that's it seems to me what supporters of proposition 8 are saying here. all you're interested in is the label and you insist on changing the definition of the label. >> it is like you were to say you can vote, you can travel but you may not be a citizen. there are certain labels in this country that are very, very critical. >> pretty interesting analogy there. let us know what you think about it. saying someone is friend, does that change the definition of sfrend? jeffrey toobin, he was in the courtroom today. jeff, what's your sense of how the court is going to rule? this is obviously if they go ahead and do something big here, this is huge. this is transformational for much of the country. >> it is but, you know, this was an unusually baffling argument. i have to say. usually, you have some sense, sometimes you can have a wrong sense and i've certainly had wrong senses before, but the court so fractured over so many issues that, frankly, it wouldn't surprise me to see
almost any result at this point. it did seem that even the liberals as well as the conservatives were weary of a 50-state solution. i don't think this court is going to tell texas and mississippi, you have to have same sex marriage at the end of this case. but whether they tell california that california has to have same-sex marriage, that seems a real possibility. but there are lots of moving parts and none of them are settled at this point. >> it's interesting. david cole of georgetown wrote this op-ed in "the new york times" today and one -- a sentence is this one, prudence counsels that marriage equality should be allowed to continue gaining support in the states and that a federal resolution should be left for another day. 'hen gave the example of roe v. wade saying states were moving towards abortion rights and set everyone back and caused a battle going on for decades and same with brown versus board of
education and found ere ways to segregate the schools and said the cases perhaps right but they happened too soon. are they afraid of doing that here? >> i think so. and route bader ginsburg, the leading liberal on the court now, she is critical of roe v. wade for just that reason and in today's argument very careful a couple of times saying we don't have to deal with all 50 states. let's just make this case about california. there are procedural issues about the issue of who has the right to bring the case which could allow the court to duck the issue altogether. frankly, what today the conclusion i reached about today was that tomorrow is even more important. tomorrow is the day they evaluate the constitutionality of the defense of marriage act. that's the law that says the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where it's legal. this seemed to be -- they seemed to be teeing up for perhaps
striking down doma and leaving the california law for another day. >> that's a pretty interesting point. we'll talk to you again tomorrow. thank you, jeff. talking about this issue of maybe it's bet tore let the american people decide, the supreme court should follow the people who seem to be going in the direction of gay marriage and not lead them. poll after poll we have seen a stark political divide on the issue. so the latest cnn poll, 70% of the democrats support gay marriage. 25% of republicans support it. obviously, those numbers starkly different. younger republicans, very different story. the republican party is split on this issue and "out front" tonight, republican strategist ann navarro who signed a legal brief to support gay marriage and ralph reid, the chairman of the safe and freedom coalition. ralph, you could say 25% of the republicans support it. it's clear our line is in line. we know what we want. when you look at younger
republicans under 50, almost half, 49% support gay marriage and younger the number goes higher. younger votes overwhelmingly voted for president obama. if you make a signature issue of the republican party, will you become a party that's irrelevant? >> well, i don't think we have made it a signature issue but i think what we have said is that the institution of marriage is the central and foundational socializing institution in american civilization and it's not something to be tinkered with. it's not something that should be imposed on the american people by an act of judicial fiat. as you alluded to folks earlier, erin, to exacerbate the polarization further increase the contentiousness of this issue. i think it is served the republican party well to be the party that's pro-marriage, pro-family and pro-life and i'll tell you why. if we're serious about making
inroads among minority voters which we clearly need to do -- >> right. >> -- the polling is clear. the hispanic and asian-american and african-american voters to win to our side, conservative socially and culturally, these are the voters who gave george w. bush 44% of the hispanic vote and in states like pennsylvania and ohio, where there were marriage amendments on the ballot, between 10% and 20% of the american african vote. any republican nominee for president would take that in a new york minute today and george w. bush did it by being unapologetically pro-marriage. >> ann, interesting point that ralph raises. dr. randall lando, religious voice in the republican party said that young members of his community are over this. and i want to quote what he said. get your reaction. he said basically, talking about the young people, they just
don't think it's something we want to talk about. they say it feels intolerant. we believe what we believe. they have a right to believe what they want only the. marriage should be a church thing. not a legal thing. that's not a repudiation of the issue here but that is saying, let's not make it an issue for our party. >> and i think that's -- i think that's a right way to go about it. it should not be a banner issue for the republican party but republicans and everybody else has got to acknowledge this system is rapidly evolving social issue we have seen in our lifetime and it is at this point that folks in denial have to get out of the closet. they have to wave good-bye to the caveman and step out gingerly and carefully in to the brave new world. gay couples are a part of the fiber of society. and it is because gay couples agree that the institution after marriage is such an important part of our society that they want to be part of it. nobody wants to tinker with
traditional marriage. nobody wants to negatively impact traditional marriage in any way. they want to be part of that tradition. and republicans, democrats, we all have to realize that we cannot pray away the gay. we cannot shut our eyes at this point, say we want to go back to kansas and make the children of the gay couples go away. make the gay couples go away. they're our neighbors, sisters, brothers. they're republicans. just on the way over here, erin -- >> yes? >> i got ae mail from a friend of mine who's been a republican donor for many years. a former ceo of a mayor corporation telling me he was not going to give anymore money. anymore donations. to any person who came out against gay marriage. and who, you know, was strident over it. so not only is it a reality, it's also a losing political issue. time to get in to the 21st century. >> all right. well, thanks very much to both of you.
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second story out front. a bombshell of italy's supreme court. it wants amanda knox, the former american exchange student, to stand trial for murder again. you may remember she spent four years in jail for the murder of her roommate. prosecutors claim the roommate was killed after a drug-fueled sex game gone wrong. so, will she be going back to italy and jail? "out front" wendy murphy and anne bremner who worked on the case for four years. anne, i want to start with you. you know amanda and her family. she put out a statement saying no matter what happens, my family an i will face this continuing legal battle as we always have. confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity. what are they going to do now? >> you know, it's stunning.
you know, it was unimaginable -- you couldn't imagine it yesterday but what they have to do is gear up for a fight in italy again. they have two lawyers in italy go and defend the case again and look in to extradition and extradition lawyers and i have handled extraditions. they're not your typical case and she has a path ahead of her right now which is expensive and going to be emotional. and which, you know, could be catastroph catastrophic. she finally got back to seattle. the press said they would leave her alone. we never hear about her anymore. she's finally gotten back to normal and now this. her life's turned upside down. >> i want to ask more an the issue of whether she will have to go to italy or not. but wendy, first, let me ask you. were you surprised by this? i know you feel very differently an the fundamental issue here of guilt or innocence. >> yeah. i wasn't surprised at all. it is the right result and i predicted it. i predicted it because i read
the file and looked at the evidence instead of just watching her cheer leelders and the pr machine mislead the american public to believe that she was not guilty. you know, i know she doesn't look like a classic killer. she doesn't look like jeffrey dammer. scott peterson looks like dream date ken. look at jodi arias. we have to get over ourselves. numbers 5, 3 and 1 matter. five spots of blood in the apartment where meredith was murdered. mixture of amanda knox's dna and the victim's blood on doorjambs and walls. you cannot explain it away innocently. they lived there for a couple of weeks at the time of the murder. no blood had been there. no mixture has an innocent explanation. the three. she gave three different stories. first said i wasn't there at all. the next story, i was there but it was a hazy memory. she remembered details about the crime that only someone who was
there could have known. during the second story. the third story was, oh, i wasn't there at all. third, the number one thing that we should be so angry about her, she falsely accused patrick lamumba. an innocent black man she worked for and she let him rot in jail! falsely accusing him of the crime until he could prove he wasn't there. that's the kind of person she is. she could let an innocent black man rot in jail rather than tell the truth. what kind of person does that? that the same kind of person who could kill a human being. >> anne, what is your response to that? >> you know, there's -- well, i completely disagree with all of it. i know the case intimately. i have the photos, dvds, everything in the case. i have read and i read everything more than once but the thing is it is like only lawyers and painters turn black to white. that's what we heard from wendy. she didn't say she wasn't there. she didn't say that she was -- later say she was there and have details about what happened.
she was out there without an interpreter. didn't speak italian without a lawyer for hours and hours and there was no detail she knew supposedly that, you know, she shouldn't have known unless she was the killer. next thing is she did not accuse patrick. she was asked, there was a text on a phone and said see you later. in italy they said it to like go kilmer dit together and they kept suggesting finding a hair consistent with someone who was an american that -- >> she was found guilty of falsely accusing him, anne, and you know it. >> that's italy. >> found guilty on appeal. what? you will blame the entire country? >> you know what? >> she did falsely accuse him. >> i have great respect for you but the thing about that is criminal defamation in italy. we don't have that here. >> who cares? >> also in terms of the evidence in the case, on appeal, which is
in italy you try it all over again, the court, the judge, appointed three different experts and said, they threw out the evidence and the evidence they talked about. thrown out. contaminated. so it's a very low standard in itly. that's what the case is about. no evidence against amanda knox. zero. here she sits in seattle. finally getting used to her life and she has to deal with the case all over again and the kind of media attention -- >> that's what happens when you kill people, anne. too bad. >> let me ask each of you quickly before we go. the bottom line question which is, she was tried, appealed, found innocent after jail time. in the united states, once you're done in the system, you can't be tried again for the same crime. the united states will have a decision. forcing her to stand trial or go to jail if that's the verdict or not? extradite or not? first to you, anne. >> definitely not. it's not just the double jeopardy. we have it. they don't. the lack of facts and goes in to an extradition.
luckily she will stay here. only good news. >> wendy? >> look, she is obviously never going there because she should be convicted and deserves to be convicted and whining about i'm not going back and will be tried and found guilty. there will be an extradition warrant issued for her and i hope this country has the political wherewithal to ship her over there because treaties depend on reciprocity and somebody we want to prosecute and punish runs off and to italy and we want them back here for justice, italy will say forget you. you didn't give us amanda knox. >> thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. you always knew it was not exactly what they were saying it was and now the faa might change the policy on, you know whether your phone can be on or off. whether it could crash the plane or not. plus, victoria's secret targeting young girls with the ad? chris christie talking about
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president obama announcing today that he'll appoint a new director of the secret service. her name is julia peerson. that's right. for the first time in american history, the person in charge of the president's security is going to be a woman. the president, of course, has been under fire for not including more women in his administration and a woman didn't get one of the coveted top jobs, whether it's state or defense. tom foreman is "out front" with the story of who julia peerson is. >> reporter: julia peerson is 53 years old and been with the secret service for 30 years. working the way steadily up the ladder to be chief of staff and building an exemplary record along the way. what helped open the door for the appointment was a scandal, one year ago the service came under fire amid allegations of agents on assignment hiring prost toouts. tarnished the career and put pressure on the president to clean it up.
>> we're representing the people of the united states. and when we travel to another country, i expect us to observe the highest standards because we're not just representing ourselves. we're here on behalf of our people. >> reporter: so where did pierson come from? according to an interview she gave, six years ago, pierson's childhood interest in police work gained traction in a high school job at disney world saying i wore one of those character outfits to this day i think the experience of dealing with large crowds at the park had a good influence on my ability to do that sort of work with the secret service. during college, she worked for the orlando police department and she joined the secret service in 1983. beginning with investigations in to credit card fraud. since then, she's been on security details for several presidents and experienced virtually every aspect of secret
service oerngss including fraud and counterfeiting investigations. in her new job, however, her political skills may be tested first because even though some congressional critics of the secret service scandal are praising her appointment, they're also saying she has a lot of work ahead to repair the agency's battered image. erin? >> all right. thanks to you, tom foreman. next, north korea putting the military assets on the highest alert they have ever been and threatening america. we have direct threats today. plus, the faa considering allowing passengers to use electronic devices on planes. how big will this change be and when oh when will it happen? what's scarier than a giant sharm head coming toward you? two giant shark heads. even in stupid loud places. to prove it, we set up our call center right here... [ chirp ] all good? [ chirp ] getty up.
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be reduced to ashes and flames the moment the first attack is unleashed. the white house says it refuses to be intimidated. >> will achieve nothing by the threats or provocations which will only further isolate north korea and undermine efforts to ensure peace and stability in northeast asia. >> out front tonight, matthew chance. matthew, i know where you're standing, got to be a pretty incredible perspective on this. some might say it's easy to dismiss the threats but given where you are, able to see thort yean water from where you're standing, how nervous are people there? >> reporter: i think they're very nervous, indeed. remember, if north korea is going to attack someone, it's been threatening its long range attacks for several weeks now on hawa hawaii, guam, mainland, that's
largely fantasy. they haven't got a proven capability to do that. they have a proven capability to attack short range in communities in south korea like this. they have done it in the past in 2010 there was an artillery strike that struck the community here destroying about 12 houses, killing about 4 people. and the residents of this island here just a short distance from north korea's territory very nervous that that could happen again amid all the threats coming out of pyongyang right now. >> i want to ask you about that. where you're standing was attacked in 2010 and now a new agreement in the past 24 hours between the united states and south korea where theoretically, the united states troops could be the ones involved and fighting. right? >> reporter: yeah. that's true. this new agreement really lowers the threshold of which the united states could enter a conflict on the korean peninsula on the side of the ally south korea. previously it's if south korea
is invaded by pyongyang and now could be incidents like the one described in 2010 if it's asked to join in. it's not meant, of course, as a means to get america in to another conflict. conflict on the korean peninsula. it's meant as a deterrent and not clear whether it affects will be positive or not, erin. >> so far, not worked. matthew chance, thank you. now colonel stationed on the american territory of guam more than a year and control knell, guam is perceived as, well, the closest american territory to north korea and 2,100 miles away from the rogue country. how real is the threat of north korea to the american territory? >> it's very real and it only takes the north korean's one sthot get lucky and it would be a direct hit on guam and on territories like it. guam has a lot of things from a
military perspective that are very important. first of all, it's a good strategic jumping off point for american forces, both for military operations as well as human taryn operations. we have three submarines based usually every concurrently on guam and of course a huge air force presence there, as well. >> what could they launch in what's north korea capable of launching right now to strike guam or perhaps even further, although my understanding is they're not able to hit hawaii as of yet. >> that's right. basically, we are talking the family of missiles. the missiles are basically designed to give them a range of anywhere from 2,000 to 4,000 miles. they would then be able to hit guam which falls within that range fairly easily. the one weakness that the north koreans would have would be the targeting capability and ca
capabilicap capability to actually hit and get fairly close to guam and then a direct hit. >> so colonel, what happens from here? the bar has been lowered for americans to be involved, to be fighting. north korea. north korea has been provoking and doing more tests so what happens next? >> well, if the north koreans live up to their rhetoric and they go further and they actually put those forces that are on alert in to a heightened even a more heightened state of readiness and engage in combat operations then all bets are off and what could next is the island of matthew chance was on could very well be in the direct path of the initial salvo in south korea. if they want to attack the united states, then guam becomes a predominant target for them. another possible target would be the island of okinawa with a huge american force presence there. and that would be a very dangerous situation so if we're not careful, these would be the types of escalations that could
occur with u.s. forces right from the get-go and that agreement would become part of how we respond to the north korean threat. >> colonel, thank you very much. raises real questions, if there's an attack on a base, you could see an incredible loss of american life and it would be hard to imagine this country only doing a small response to that. well now, the fourth story "out front." please turn off all electronic devices. we've all been there. see your ipad is on. fehrtively typing away under your coat and clearly not happy at you ar maybe you're the worrywart but now the situation may be about to change. david mattingly is "out front" with a special report. >> reporter: pods, pads, tablets, smartphone. they keep us plugged in, online and on the air everywhere except in the air when taking off and landing. >> it's certainly appearing that using an electronic device to read a magazine, a book is not a
safety factor. >> reporter: anyone who flies tells you how often the rule is aignored. delta safety video tries to have fun with it. >> turned off. >> reporter: but using personal electronic devices is banned on most airlines because of the possibility their signals interfere with aircraft similars and not without moments of rebellion. actor alec baldwin kicked off an american flight for playing a game in 201s. the faa is looking in to changing the rules to allow some devices to stay on. passengers waiting for clarity for all the options available to them. >> i think that it keeps people on board safer and messing with stuff on the plane, then i think that's okay to do. >> reporter: but flight attendants, the people who tell you when to hit the off switch, also say it's a matter of getting your attention during the most sensitive parts of the
flight. >> someone's listening to their music or they have -- they're watching a video and they have got the beats on and noise canceling headphones, we want to make sure if there's a situation that passengers need to hear and understand that they will be able to do so. >> reporter: the national association of airline passengers actually agrees. unplugging for a few minutes is a small price to pay for safety. >> so, we do not as passengers want to do anything that will interfere or distract the pilots at this critical time of the flight. >> reporter: the pressure is to bring the rules up to date with the proliferation of electronic devices. the fcc urged the f 5a for use of tablets, ereaders and other devices and delta on record urging the faa to expand use of electronic devices in flight but limiting cell phone calls to on the ground only. there's congressional pressure
for change, as well. senator mccaskill of missouri says it threatens public confidence in the faa. the agency already allows pilots to use electronic tablets in the cockpit. an faa committee due to report the recommendations this summer, changes if any may not come until months later. for "out front," david mattingly, cnn, atlanta. all right. first victoria's secret said they were marketing underwear to teens. this is pretty provocative for a teen. call me. you hope he has by the time he sees them. and then they said they aren't marketing it to teens. are you cool with your tween wearing these? two spent $600 thousand dollars on gucci clothes? the guy who wrote "friday night lights." seriously. from another store? yep. let's go! check out that price. that's walmart's every day low price. that's what i'm talking about! yes, yes! oh my goodness!
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today and a legal watt that will amanda knox thought she'd won put her case backs in play. italy's supreme court as you know ordered a new trial for the killing of knox's roommate. amanda knox's lawyer joins me tonight and insists not much changed and there's misunderstanding of what's happening. he says there was no evidence. there is no evidence and there never will be evidence against his client. those stories and more at the top of the hour. >> see you in a few moments. now our fifth story "out front." bright young things. that's a new ad campaign for victoria's secret pink line. officially marketed toward young women, college-aged women and some of the models look, you know what? let's be honest. more like girls and the panties being advertised by -- that is an awful word. by pink 'em blazened with words like dare you and wild and call me. that has some parents seeing red. "out front" tonight, radio host
stephanie miller and our contributor. the suggestive underwear, i showed everyone, doctor. we bought this today. the bright young things campaign with very young models, appear to be young in terms of their development and skimpy bikinis and all girls want to be older girls. is there really anything wrong with this? >> absolutely. it's the message we're sending our women. young girls. the role models that they're seeing. they want to be like these women. especially if you assign this and connect it with any celebrity that happens to be involved in this kind of stuff. you're sending the wrong message to young women they're of value only because of their bodies and the things they can offer through their body. >> among the angry parents is a minister with a 3-year-old daughter and wrote an open letter to victoria's secret saying it gives off met message that women are sex objects. this you will put young girls
self esteem and self worth and pride above profit. initial being too young for victoria's secret in high school and the coolest thing to go in the store and try to buy the things for the older girls. othm that are selling scanty clothing for young women. but i think the thing to keep in mind is the important thing is for young people to have strong role models. for young women to have strong female role models in their lives. because wearing revealing clothing is something that younger people have done to scandalize their parents for a very, very long time. so i think let's fixate less on the clothing and more on whether or not young women have strong female role models in their life, because when you do, then i think some of the issues that the doctor mentioned a moment ago don't really arise. i think it's foolish to fixate on what are fundamentally fashion trends that are fundamentally trivial versus whether or not you're in a
stable family environment. >> all right. stephanie, let me following up on that point. american eagle, everyone talked about their notoriously using teen models in very sexualized ad campaigns. abercrombie & fitch, of course, also has one. here's i guess the question. to the point, this goes back a long time, brooke shields in 1980 was 15 years old when she marketed those calvin kleins. is this really harmful to girls or is this just life? >> well, first, i share your horror of the word panties, erin. >> i think all women do. men for some reason, i don't know. >> secondly, i agree about role models. is there a way to make being a supreme court justice sexy? can we put a black robe over the outfits? can we put an astronaut helmet with your bustier? i have to tell you, i blame parents and people that are marketing, what is essentially kiddie porn because i also think i have halloween trick or
treaters come to my house. do you? they look like little hookers at age 10. what is with the parents who think this is okay or think it's okay to sexualize their kids to this degree? >> parents are allowing the kids to buy that, not in all cases but in plenty of cases, parents are fully aware their daughters are buying boxers or thongs that say call me. >> absolutely. the difficulty is that it's a parenting and an individual parenting decision. however, you may say you don't want it for your daughter but your daughter's going to be around other girls whose parents are going to allow it. the bigger picture is why are we doing this, why are we setting our parents up for failure and then our kids. the bottom line is it should be appropriate and it should be held accountable, and parents across the board should be able to make a really solid choice that they want to keep their children innocent for as long as they can. >> one thing i want to say -- >> in the age of steubenville and all of that, is it okay to
make panties, okay to buy panties that say i dare you? is it okay? >> i have to say, i really think that young women are one of the great success stories of modern america. when you're looking at outcomes of high school graduation, college completion, young women are making tremendous strides. they are actually really leaving men behind in the dust. i think trusting young women to make reasonable sound choices about the clothes they wear is generally the best way to go. when you trust young people, they will tend to reward that trust. so i think that stigmatizing this kind of clothing, fixating on yeah, sure, it seems cheesy and distasteful to those who are old enough to know better but again, trust these young people and they are going to make good decisions. also, they need to have the strong role models. that's what matters. i think that parents are always trying to offload blame. i remember when i was growing up, tipper gore complaining about rap lyrics. honestly, rap music didn't traumatize a generation. broken families traumatized a generation so stop looking for excuses. >> all right. i want to just note that victoria's secret had earlier talked about 15 and 16-year-old
girls liking this line. they have since given out a statement saying in response to questions received, victoria's secret pink is a brand for college aged women. we have breaking news at this moment, just in from our affiliate in washington state. police in tacoma are warning residents to stay inside. they have just received reports of an armed man walking through the browns point neighborhood and indiscriminately firing at homes. the sheriff's department put out a warning a short time ago saying in an alert the gunman is not in custody and is moving through the neighborhood. this is a very dangerous situation for your staff, citizens in the area and first responders. police and sheriff's deputies have begun a door-to-door search for the gunman. we should mention police have requested we not show live video of this fluid situation. of course we will honor that. the video you're looking at now was shot earlier and we will keep you updated on this story tonight. up next, the essay. ♪ [ construction sounds ] ♪
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gave a talk today. he wrote a long detailed description of his addiction to shopping and s & m. now, all day people have been discussing this story, some supportive and some frankly downright mean. a few people have dismissed the idea of a shopping addiction as ridiculous. we had buzz on the show and i like him. we hope he'll get the help he thinks he needs but there were a couple things we noticed in the article that were amazing to us. first, his cataloging system is incredible. buzz kept meticulous track of his finances with a category of clothing going on for nearly eight years in extremely tiny tights. that puts any accountant to shame. he purchased 81 leather jackets, 75 pairs of boots, 41 pairs of pants, 32 pairs of jeans and 115 pairs of gloves. he knows every item and what it cost to the penny. we always ask does it add up and in buzz's case, it really did. since 2010 he has spent $638,4.9
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