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it's not just a bus. it's a difference. >> if you'd like to nominate a hero go to cnn that's it for me. have a great weekend. and now "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. being in love might mean never having to say you're sorry but apparently being president does not mean that. i'm jake tapper and this is "the lead." the money lead, weak jobs numbers and a budget proposal that includes possible cuts to social security. president obama on defense on the economy. the national lead, a federal judge rules that girls of every age can get the morning after pill and the only person who will know about it is the cashier at walgreens. the politics lead, if you said it you might find yourself in the human resources complaint department. president obama now apologizing to this state attorney general. we'll tell you why.
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we begin today with the money lead. the bell ringing on wall street ending the week on a sour note after a dismal jobs report dragged the dow to a loss. nearly 500,000 people gave up looking for jobs last month. their exit from the work force had the deceptive effect of dropping the unemployment rate to 7.6%. the economy only added 88,000 jobs in the month of march. not enough to keep up with population growth. our alison kosik is standing by at the new york stock exchange. alison, companies have money. why are companies not hiring? >> you know what this is about, jake? it's about uncertainty of what's coming, what's ahead. what we saw were companies reigning in their hiring plans last month because they're not completely sure how the government spending cuts are going to affect the economy. so this really could be the beginning of a spring slump for the jobs market and maybe the economy as a whole even though it often happens anyway at this time of year when temporary holiday jobs are cleared off the payrolls. but with jobs missing by a long
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shot, we certainly saw wall street react at least with a knee jerk reaction. we saw a sell off happen most of the session with the dow down 172 points. it had a remarkable recovery. now at the closing bell only closing 41 points lower. >> is there an expectation the weakness in job growth will continue? >> that really is the crux of this. that's the big reason there is worry about this report today because while, yes, we've been expecting a possible slump it's before we're feeling the full impact of the government spending cut. you know, everybody is wondering, what's job report going to look like when the spending cuts are in full swing? so the uncertainty of what will happen, that's keeping companies cautious about more hiring. also, look what's happening to the labor force. you touched on this in your open that dip in the unemployment rate, 7.6%. it's great for a headline but it didn't happen for the right reasons. it's because so many people got frustrated, threw up their hands and said i'm not looking for a job anymore. so that unemployment rate is reflective of a smaller group of people in the mix and a number
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of people in the labor force, jake, has shrunk to a level we haven't seen since the late 1970s. so the fewer people who have jobs, the harder it is for the economy to get moving. and that's really what's weighing on everybody's minds. jake? >> all right. thank you, alison kosik. the president is planning to deliver his budget next week. that's about two months late. some of the numbers have some heads scratching. $1.8 trillion in savings. deficit reduction over ten years. $600 billion in new revenues, which some say is code for higher taxes. $400 million in savings to medicare, which some would call cuts, and using what's called chained cpi to adjust social security benefits. so what is chained cpi? it's basically changing the way the government accounts for cost of living adjustments to social security and other benefits. that means your benefit increase could be smaller, saving the government money. but, of course, some supporters of the president's say this is outrageous. it takes money away from the people who need it most. we asked the white house to
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answer some of our questions about this proposed budget and we're joined now by gene sperling director of the national economic council and assistant to the president for economic policy. thanks for being here. >> thanks, jake. >> i want to get to the budget in a second but first let's start with the anemic job numbers. president obama was fund raising in california where the unemployment rate is tied for the highest in the country, 9.6%. i know he was fund raising there. can you tell us some of the things president obama has been doing this week to help create jobs in this country? >> well, sure. i mean, what we're doing right now is continuing to try to fight for a sensible economic strategy that fundamentally aims to strengthen jobs and strengthen the middle class and have a stronger recovery so that we got more people back to work and more people getting higher wages. and i think that our economic strategy right now is doing a few things. one, it aims to invest in the american people in training and skills. secondly, it aims to take away some of the self-inflicted
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wounds that were seen happening i think because of lack of willing to compromise by some of our republican colleagues. first, by continuing to allow the sequester to stay in place that most economists think will cost up to 600,000, 700,000 jobs this year at a time when we should be trying to get this recovery gaining momentum. and then also just the uncertainty, the sense of manufactured crisis, of unavoidable or, excuse me, unnecessary conflict. and so what you see the president doing today is making clear once again that he is willing to compromise on behalf of the american people. that he is willing to have an economic strategy that does invest in people and jobs, that asks the most well off and the most well connected to do a little -- with a little less in terms of tax loopholes and tax expenditures, and to take on entitlement reform in a way that strengthens those core programs like medicare.
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>> let's talk about that and move on the progressive group put out a statement calling these proposed cuts to social security unconscionable. quote. millions of movon members did not work night and day to put president obama into office so that he could propose policies that would hurt some of our most vulnerable people. we're talking about for the average 65-year-old that's about $650 less a year in social security benefits by the time they're 75. $650 can be a lot of money. what is president obama's response to this? >> let me make a few points. number one, the president is trying to move our country forward in the midst of significant conflict that is hurt i hurting jobs, hurting children with these sequester cuts, and the fact is that -- >> talking about the social security cuts? >> i'm getting to that. if you ask what we need to do to break the gridlock, one of the things speaker boehner and
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leader mcconnell said were necessary, they've asked for this change in cpi and the president has been willing to agree to that as part of an overall agreement. that would do things like protect medicaid that would protect the core benefit of medicare. yes it does involve some compromise but it's part of a broader plan that would be very good for our jobs, our country, for a low income americans because of the choices this president makes and then finally the president has been very clear the whole time that if we're going to make this correction to the cpi even though it might involve being more technically accurate we understand that it is -- it has to be applied everywhere. it applies to all programs. to how index or tax revenues and it has to have protections in for older social security recipients, for those who are most vulnerable. yeah there is tough compromise
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we have to make but the president is standing by the values in his budget which are jobs, middle class, and initial tiff after initiative protecting those people who are working hard to get up into the middle class. >> thank you so much. it is not every day the president of the united states apologizes but that is exactly what president obama just did. what is he sorry for? our political lead is next. hey. they're coming. yeah. british. later. sorry. ok...four words... scarecrow in the wind... a baboon... monkey? hot stew saturday!? ronny: hey jimmy, how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? jimmy: happier than paul revere with a cell phone. ronny: why not? anncr: get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. so i can't afford to have germy surfaces. but after one day's use,
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the politics lead. it's the kind of thing your drunk uncle might say at a wedding. was it really sexist? we're talking about president obama's uncomfortable compliment perhaps to california's attorney general kamala harris. here is the quote from last night's fundraiser. quote you have to be careful to first of all say she is brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough and she is exactly what you would want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure everybody gets a fair shake. she also happens to be by far
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the best looking attorney general in the country. hum. president obama later called harris to apologize according to white house press secretary jay carney who was pushed on the issue by our own brianna keeler who joins us live from the white house. presidents don't apologize every day. this one doesn't apologize very often. what happened? >> reporter: it seems they do apologize when something they say creates quite an uproar and certainly this created a huge conversation. some people wondered if he was just paying harris a compliment but some others sort of piping up and saying you know perhaps this is sexist. they say it's troubling that there may be a pattern that a woman's appearance is linked to her success professionally and it was unseemly president obama may say that. i asked jay carney about it. here is how he responded. >> he believes and fully recognizes that the challenges
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women -- or fully recognizes the challenge women continue to face in the work place and that they should not be judged based on appearance. i made clear he apologized for creating this distraction and believes very strongly that attorney general harris is an excellent attorney general and that she's done great work abis dedicated and tough and brilliant. >> reporter: now, president obama apologized to harris, jake, last night after he returned to the white house because the comments were said at a bay area fundraiser. and i will tell you the president frequently does comment on people being good looking but if you go back and look at his comments it is normally men that he says that to. he's kind of saying it in jest. this isn't something we think he said before to a woman and it created a whole lot of attention
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and discussion. >> here to talk about this all our round table. and ron foreignier who is a genius and also the sexiest man alive. >> you're going to have to apologize. not only is it sexist but it's wrong. >> so, if i were to say that about you. you're brilliant, tough, smart, also the best looking let me say democratic panelist we've ever had on this panel. >> since nobody has ever said that before it would actually maybe be a good thing. >> i mean, tell me why it's sexist. here's the thing. kamala harris is out there with her peeps in the audience, her california constituents. the president is giving her a compliment. he's stretching a little and keep going and she probably would have rather had him say and, you know, she fought for you against the big banks when they were trying to take
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advantage of consumers and the like. and it's not a huge deal because they're friends and i'm sure the president meant it kind of cas but that's not the kind of thing you want to be known for when you're in a position like the attorney general. you just want to move past that at some point. >> i want to hear what you think. >> so, you know, i don't give him too much grief for it. it was a slip. i mean, he had a similar slip i think in 2008 he called a female reporter sweetie on the campaign trail. the reason why this matters is that, you know, scientific studies have shown that when women are running for office their attractiveness matters sub consciously. more than a man's attractiveness. and it's sort of this unfortunate reality ever since our campaigns have been on television that it's a visual medium. we don't like the idea that our elections are beauty pageants. when you hear a comment like this it sort of reminds us of this unseemly thing in our culture i wish we could change. >> i think there's something else going on too. these things only really take hold when there is some kind of context before hand.
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in this case as you know barack obama has been accused of not having enough women in his inner circle and running a white house is kind of high testosterone. when those things are the pretext something like this has more -- i don't think that has much to do with it. they've added a lot of women. >> here's the thing. some of us know president obama a little bit. he is a little i don't want to say fratty like president bush was but locker roomy. >> he's a guy's guy. >> he really is. and that's why in 2009, you know, the complaints about there weren't women in the inner circle and there were legitimately women staffers at the white house who didn't like the fact that he played ball with the male staffers and went golfing with the male staffers but they were shut out of that. that's what it feeds into as ron says. >> you know, i think he is a little locker roomy and i think that is kind of a natural tendency. the fact that he is younger, i think he gets away with some of that a little more. but here's the thing. this is a guy who actually when
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it was mentioned to him that this actually has caused a little bit of a stir he was kind of horrified. and the first thing he did was pick up the phone and call her and say, well, i'm sorry. you know, that's not something that most guys would do. you know, i give the props to the president here. >> obviously there is a whole legislative idea, angle in terms of what the president has done for women. that is part of the context. >> it is. >> would a republican president get more heat for this do you think? >> potentially i think so. i mean, i do think that in this case because there's this idea that, well, republicans i think have to be much more careful treading around these issues because of the last election. i think it's important. i think republicans are held to a different standard. >> ron? >> i think so. it's partly because of the context. republicans don't have the kind of record the democrats do on women's rights so they are held to a different standard. >> i would be remiss if i didn't say this is your 27th wedding anniversary. >> you got that. >> so congratulations to you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here on
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that incredibly important day. i appreciate all of you being here. thanks so much. coming up in our national lead should an underage girl have access to the morning after pill without her doctor or her parents knowing? a judge has now made the call for you. that's next. eyork?new a new property tax cap... and the lowest middle class income tax rate in 60 years... and a billion dollars in tax breaks and incentives. new opportunities for business. over 250,000 new private sector jobs were created over the last two years. and 17 straight months of job growth. with the most private sector jobs ever. lower taxes, new incentives, new jobs, now that's news. to grow or start your business in the new new york visit arrival. with hertz gold plus rewards, you skip the counters, the lines, and the paperwork. zap. it's our fastest and easiest way to get you into your car. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz.
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leigh welcome back to "the lead." the national lead if you have a daughter regardless of age she'll now be able to get the morning after pill without you or your family doctor ever finding out about it. is that okay? the world lead. this isn't call of duty. it is a real life in your face reminder the fight is still fierce in afghanistan as a cnn crew gets caught in a shootout. the pop culture lead the science of "jurrasaic park" if there were ever a movie that needed a 3-d re-release this is it but this may be the closest we get to bringing dinosaurs back to life. turns out we've learned a lot more in the 20 years since this
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film first hit theaters. our national lead, for some it's about time. for others it's an outrage. a federal judge in new york has ruled that every woman and girl regardless of her age should have access to the morning after pill. that's without a prescription. and in the case of minors without the consent of a parent. erin mcpike is here with more. this flies in the face of the obama administration's stance on emergency contraception. do you think this is the last word or will this fight continue? >> it probably will continue. white house spokesman jay carney said today the president still stands by age limits even though the judge today said this order is arbitrary and unreasonable. so the justice department said today it is looking into its options and likely will appeal this very quickly. >> plan b is emergency contraception that helps prevent pregnancy after birth control failure or unprotected sex.
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>> reporter: the drug called plan b doesn't terminate pregnancy like what is commonly called the abortion pill. instead it is meant to prevent pregnancy by using a higher dosage of birth control taken within three days of unprotected sex. yet the emotional debate over access to the morning after pill or plan b stretches back almost a decade when the bush administration refused to allow women of any age to obtain it over the counter. but in 2006 bush's fda eventually ordered plan b to be made readily available to women 18 years and older. shortly after obama took office, it was lowered to 17 and older. but that wasn't enough for the center for reproductive rights, a group that has argued for years that the drug should be widely available to all women so they pursued the case further. and the fda agreed. in december, 2011, commissioner margaret hamburg said in a statement that plan b is safe and effective and should be approved for nonprescription use
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for all females of child bearing potential. on the very same day in an unprecedented move, health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius, overruled her keeping the age limit at 17. and heading into campaign season president obama agreed. >> the reason kathleen made this decision was she could not be confident that a ten-year-old or 11-year-old going to a drug store should be able alongside bubble gum or batteries to buy a medication that potentially if not used properly could have an adverse effect. >> now, 16 months later, federal district court judge edward corpsman called sebelius's decision politically motivated and ordered the fda to remove the age limits to make the drug available to all americans in
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the next 30 days. and now, jake, i would just point out this is really not a partisan political battle right now. i reached out to republicans on the hill and some conservative groups today and they don't appear to be saying much of anything because they support the president on this one. >> all right. erin mcpike. thank you so much. this is a hugely controversial pill and also hugely misunderstood. joining me to talk about plan b to women with two very different views, nancy northrup the president of the center for reproductive rights which brought and won this lawsuit against the obama administration and mona david's president of the new york city parents union. both of you thank you for being here. nancy, your side won here. first of all i want to ask you. do you think the obama administration was politically motivated when they made this decision? do you think they would have made a different decision if it hadn't been an election year? >> the judge in the case and in the decision that was issued today clearly found that the secretary sebelius's actions were politically motivated and on a very extensive record he
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concluded that for way too long the fda has been engaged in politics around the very important health issue of emergency contraception being available to all women. so it was the clear decision of judge corpsman based on a very extensive and careful record that politics has prevailed over the science and today's decision is a triumph for science, for good sense, and for women's health. >> mona, contraception is already available to underage girls. what is the difference with emergency contraception? >> well, with emergency contraception especially when it comes to this absurd ruling by judge forman giving a child, you know, access to a hormonal drug cocktail, our issue with this is that, one, if a child, if a child needs parental approval for everything and anything,
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what gives the judge and what gives the sense of a reproductive rights which are supposed to be protecting women's rights not a child's rights, what gives them the authority to circumvent the authority of parents? these are our children. you cannot trust a 9-year-old, a 10-year-old and, yes, we do have 9 and 10-year-olds that are getting menstruation at early ages. you can't trust an 11 or 12 or 13-year-old to go into the pharmacy and alongside the bubble gum and batteries like our president said pick up some plan b birth control. first of all, there is no counseling. there isn't comprehensive sexual education done about this. who is ensuring that the child is indeed not pregnant? one. two, who is providing counseling? because if that child and i'm saying a child not a woman, a child, if that child engaged in unprotective sexual relations, then that child may have been
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exposed to an std. who is providing counseling for that? and treatment? >> mona, everything you're saying applies also to contraception and so the question is what is the difference between contraception which is already available over the counter and this ruling for emergency contraception? >> because this -- first of all, this ruling is giving it to children of all reproductive ages, jake. these are kids. these are kids that cannot even go and look at an r-rated movie or much less a pg-13 movie. you're giving other people's children access to hormonal drug cocktails with no supervision, with no counseling. this is completely unacceptable. we're not objecting to if it's -- if the child is 17 and over or even 17 and younger with a doctor's prescription because at least there is some kind of comprehensive sexual education. but with this, giving children, not woman, children access is unacceptable. these are children. >> nancy, i want to let you
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respond. >> it's very important of course that parents have an important discussion with their kids about their values, about behaviors. i've had those conversations with my own kids but when it comes to an unexpected pregnancy you have to be sure that something that is safe and effective and science says can be on the drug store shelves should be there. i would want it there if my own daughter should find herself in that situation and what the judge's ruling said here today is that, unfortunately, it's politics and it's these red herrings. judge corpsman said this discussion about 11 and 12-year-olds is a red herring. this is about women having access to a safe and effective drug that they should be able to do to prevent unintended pregnancy. >> it's not women. it's minors, too. that is the question and i want to let you have the last word, nancy. there are a lot of parents who might support most of what your organization fights for, but
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feel very uneasy about the idea of emergency contraception. obviously kathleen sebelius and president obama are two of them. these are not pro lifers and they feel very differently and think this should -- there is a special place for this not in front of the counter but behind the counter. what do you say to those parents who think this is just taking it too far? >> i think that it's important when it comes to reproductive health including the reproductive health of teens that we look at what science and good public health says. and that is that you need to have a backup for birth control. what the judge did in this very careful 59-page opinion was say that the scientific evidence was there and the fda had it. that this is safe and effective and the evidence is there that women and teenagers know that this is a backup birth control method. it's not for regular birth control use. and we want to make sure that it's there for women when they need it.
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under the prior regime it wasn't there. it had obstacles that were unjustified and that you've got to not have politics making the decisions about reproductive health. it's too important for women. >> all right. mona and nancy thank you so much for your time and thanks for coming in today. >> thank you. bullets flying. confusion. terror. what is it really like to be a soldier on the front lines? cnn was with one special operations unit when the taliban attacked. our world lead is next. girls . but they do talk about always infinity. [ marcy ] it's like memory foam. [ female announcer ] the only pad made from a revolutionary material. [ erina ] it totally fits to your body. [ female announcer ] it's incredible protection, you'll barely feel it. always infinity. tell us what you think.
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the world lead. 12 years. nearly 2200 american lives lost and many more wounded and even
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though u.s. combat teams are supposed to withdraw next year afghanistan remains one of the most dangerous places on earth. we got an alarmingly up close reminder of the danger american troops confront there every single day and anna joins us live from kabul. you went out with a special forces team and it got hairy in a hurry. tell us about it. >> reporter: yes. it certainly did, jake. as you say. we did join the u.s. special forces in eastern afghanistan in a hotbed for the taliban and also for the insurgency. we were -- there was intelligence there was an ied maker in the town and that is when we came under fire, very heavy fire from these insurgents. there was a firefight that went on for some hour but, unfortunately, the taliban as they do made their way into the landscape blending back into the community. but you mentioned the war here,
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jake. it has been going on for almost 12 years but u.s. forces are picking up and pulling out. we've seen signs of the withdrawal but certainly it is hoped there will be an enduring presence by the u.s. special forces, the ones i was embedded with and i certainly caught up with the man who was responsible for them. this man is the most experienced special operations leader in the u.s. military. major general thomas, the first nato commander of all special forces in afghanistan has spent every year here since 9/11 with the exception of a 12-month deployment in iraq. and these are some of the men he's responsible for. we were one of his units in eastern afghanistan when they were ambushed by the taliban while searching for a bomb maker. >> go on the back side. guy on the back side. right on the back side. >> reporter: this region, close to the pakistan border, is a
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hotbed for the insurgency. >> keep going! >> reporter: with u.s. forces coming under weekly attacks. >> we came into this thing saying we'd probably take generation to change the situation in afghanistan. we have a 12-year-old right now. 12 years is a sufficient amount of time to say that's it. and good luck, afghanistan. >> reporter: but the u.s. is withdrawing. and it's now up to afghanistan's 350,000 soldiers and police to lead the fight. however, there are serious concerns as to whether there is the political will and military capability to keep this momentum going. once international forces pull out at the end of 2014. after almost 12 years of fighting, hundreds of billions of dollars spent, and thousands of lives lost major general thomas admits the u.s. has yet to win this war. he firmly believes it's turning in the right direction.
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as we travel across afghanistan, the two-star general tells me that u.s. special forces don't want to give up the hard-fought gains and that they are willing to leave some soldiers behind to help keep the taliban in check. but that decision is up to afghanistan's president karzai who has been at odds with the tactics such as night raids. >> there is no shortage of folks in our force who are keen on seeing this through to, you know, make sure all of our blood and treasure we've spent here over a decade come to fruition and are not just a passing chapter in history of afghanistan. >> reporter: there are real fears without an overwhelming allied presence this country could easily descend into civil war. and these u.s. special forces hope the sacrifice made hasn't been for nothing. so, jake, that is the number one
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concern. what is going to happen post 2014 once u.s. and international forces do withdraw. having spent time with those soldiers on the ground their concern is that people back home in the united states have perhaps forgotten they are still here finding the war and, you know, no one denies this war hasn't been dragging on for too long, for way too long. but certainly it is up to us to remind the public that these soldiers going out beyond and sacrificing their lives and we need to acknowledge that commitment and their bravery. >> indeed. thank you so much. 2014 can't come quick enough for many people with loved ones in afghanistan but for the thousands of families who have already lost husbands, wives, dads, moms in that war and other conflicts there will never be a home coming. for some of those grieving, this is their day. the senate has passed a resolution declaring this gold star wives day. gold star wives is an organization that dates back to world war ii which gives support to the spouses and families of the fallen.
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when researching my recent book about afghanistan i met and came to know a number of these gold star wives and i know that long after the war in afghanistan ends it will never end for them. their stories are heart breaking and their sacrifices are recognized even less than those of their late husbands. kristen, jennifer, brandy, karen, dina, olivia, amanda, brittany, alexis, and megan i'm thinking about you today. thank you. up next billionaire t. boone pickens talks to me about energy and an oil spill in our money lead. ♪
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also happening in money news today the battle over the
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keystone pipeline. the obama administration expected to issue its decision on whether to allow an extension to carry crude oil from canada to the gulf coast sometime in the next few months. it's become a political controversy. just this week president obama was greeted outside a california fundraiser by protesters pushing the president to reject the pipeline extension. texas oil tycoon t. boone pickens knows what it is like to pick an energy fight in washington though he doesn't have much of a winning record. i spoke to him earlier this week about his frustrations in pitching what he calls the pick ens plan. welcome. thanks for being here. >> sure. glad to be here. >> before we talk about energy you said recently washington has the largest group of incompetent people in one place in the world. do you mind elaborating? >> one thing would be we haven't had a budget in five years. i can't imagine operating government without a budget. okay. that's one reason. and another is, you know, i've brought the pickens plan up here. simple plan.
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get on your own resources. get off opec oil. that's not hard to understand. >> certainly there would be i would think a lot of people in congress who want to support that. >> you'd think so but we never got anything done. >> so you support the keystone pipeline extension. that is actually oil from a -- fuel from canada -- but you do support it. what do you say to the people who see the exxon pipeline leak in arkansas this week and say, hum. that's an example of maybe why we shouldn't have a pipeline like keystone? >> of course. don't do it. just let the oil go to china. don't let it come to the united states. no. it would be the dumbest thing we've ever done. but the leak in arkansas, i mean you're looking at an industry that has 175,000 miles of pipelines in the united states. we move around. talking about in the united states. 30 million barrels of oil a day. we don't use that much but some of it backtracks, goes to
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different places, refineries and all. 30 million barrels. and over a ten-year period, they have spilled about 100,000 barrels of that oil. >> so a small fraction of that. >> why it's 99.9% safe. so we're going to -- >> until it's in your back yard, right? then it is a horrible, horrific thing. >> well, horrible, horrific. what did it do in arkansas? where was it spilled? you're not talking about much oil there. you can clean it up. it isn't that big a job. >> you -- part of the pickens plan is a move toward domestic energy production and includes natural gas, a big emphasis of yours. what do you say to people who say fracking, which is a very controversial process of trying to get the natural gas out by injecting chemicals into the ground, that the jury is still out. we don't know how safe it is. so to be embracing natural gas and fracking is too dangerous. >> i mean, there have been over
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800,000 wells that have been fracked. i saw my first frack job in 1952. this is tried, proven. has there been anything that happens? in 3,000 wells i never had a failure on it. i didn't get as much oil out of the hole as i wanted. but we didn't mess up anything with the frack job. >> lastly, sir, you were a big funder of the swift vote for truth ads in 2004 and ads that were at the very least let's call them controversial. john kerry the subject of those ads is now secretary of state and is in a position where even if he is not president he could team up with you. he could partner with you. this is a big international issue, energy independence of the united states. do you regret having been an opponent of his when having him as an ally right now might be better off for you? >> there was not an ad that we did, there were nine ads, that was not factual. so i don't, i'm going to answer
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your question. okay? >> okay. >> i just want to say that. >> i don't want a whole fight about swift boat. i disagree but please continue. >> okay. i have worked with john kerry on energy in the last two years. harry reid called me and said, john kerry is going to have an energy plan and we can put your plan in with his plan. would you consider that? i said, of course i would. >> so you think you can still work with him? >> of course i can. if it's about america. we're not in some campaign. that's history. >> t. boone pickens thank you so much for joining us. >> sure. >> it's the closest you'll ever come to becoming dinosaur food. "jurrasaic park" now in 3-d but science may have messed up our shot at ever having a real jurrasaic park. what did steven spielberg get right and what did he get wrong? our pop lead is next. hoo-hoo hoo.
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realities we've learned since the film debuted 20 years ago. in a time long, long ago, 1993 to be exact -- >> you think you have a t-rex? >> mm-hmm. >> there were dinosaurs. >> i have a t-rex. >> yes, it was 20 years ago believe it or not that steven spielberg released the formerly extinct from their cages and into the memories of millions. >> welcome to "jurrasaic park." >> today the iconic film returns in 3-d abin addition to watching where we sit, we've learned a lot since the original debut of the movie. >> we have a new species coming from the southern continents that rival t-rex in size and have banana size teeth and new species even from western north america here at home that have claws longer than their hands that look like giant freddy krugers. >> as far as the species we see in the film? >> he's walking this way.
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>> scientists say most of these things should have wings. >> we have a striking array of fossils that have come out in the past ten to 15 years and show many nonavian dinosaurs actually possessed feathers. >> according to the natural history museum this dinosaur should actually have looked more like this. yikes. and this colorful display? should have been even more vibrant in hd film and in real life. >> we don't know the full spectrum of colors that might have been out there but we can get at some of the structural colors including certain blacks, iridescent blues and also kind of the orange color you mute might see in a robin. you about biggest challenge to the accuracy of the fantasy film, dna. last year a team of researchers from australia's murdoch
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university released a study suggesting dna can only survive intact about 7 million years. that's about 170 million shy of what the jurrasaic period. so while embryos from this gastric brooding frog that vantaged in the mid 1980s can and were briefly brought back from extinction, this year these older guys are permanently gone. though maybe that's a good thing. now the jurrasaic park sequels did include a lot of the scientific updates to make a movie about sign sauer island feel more realistic. for $35,000 you can watch it at home i guess while sitting on your couch made of gold. a home theater system made by prima cinema gives those who can afford it an opportunity to watch new releases by a special digital box. the $35,000ri