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remains are buried in a mass grave in north korea. his nephew says still the family would like to bring him home. barbara star, cnn, washington. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. the news continues next on cnn. "outfront" next, breaking news. a gunman takes four firefighters hostage. we'll go live to that scene in georgia tonight. new fear in north korea. u.s. intelligence shows kim jong-un could launch multiple missiles at any moment. as washington celebrates a breakthrough on background checks, it turns out that states have passed a lot of gun bills since newtown. are they doing more harm than good? we have an "outfront" investigation tonight. let's go "outfront." and good evening, everyone.
i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we begin with breaking news. four firefighters are being held hostage right now in swanny, of atlanta.ut, 35 miles outside- as you can see there, let me go through what we know right now. it's a quickly developing situation. right now we can tell you s.w.a.t. teams surrounded the building where the firefighters are. there are hostage negotiators there. however, the police have not identified the suspects nor have they identified a motive for why this is hamg happening. the fire department responded to a medical call. mike brooks is on the phone. mike, i know you have new information from the people on the scene. what can you tell us right now? >> well, erin, apparently the firefighters from georgia, there was an engine company that responded for some kind of medical emergency there in swanee. now apparently when they got there, they were confronted by a man who was apparently heavily
armed and is still heavily armed. there were initially five firefighters on the scene. the initial radio contact with the dispatcher was that there was a man there asking to have some -- apparently utilities restored. we don't know exactly what's going on. but, you know, what brought them -- what brought him to this, what apparently the firefighters, one of them was released to move one of the vehicles. now there are four firefighters inside that house. apparently with a lone gunman. anything else right now, any other demands, we do not know. the police department, their s.w.a.t. team and negotiators are on the scene. we do not know if they made contact with the subject. but he is still inside with four members of the fire and rescue department. >> now, mike, as you say, he made a call. he wants cable, internet, phone service back. we're not sure about the mental state.
maybe it's more appropriate if i describe stability to describe this person. but the fire department spokesman said they're not sure if this is going to turn violent or not. you look at these situations before. what do you think? >> you know, erin, a former negotiator, a harsh negotiator. and the easterly zwraj of this, that is the most crucial, the initially stabilization of an incident like this. but the firefighters are inside. i have listened to the initial radio traffic myself and you can tell that there was a lot of tension with engine 10 who was inside there. we do not know what else he's asked for besides utilities will be restored. we don't know what brought him to this. usually something within the last 24 to 48 hours, something that's happened to this person to bring him to this particular
situation. but it was a medical call as i said initially. they say that he has no medical condition. but i don't want to get into any numbers. he does -- he is armed with some handguns and a rifle. >> mike, let me bring in david mattingly who is on the scene. he's been to this location. i know you're there now, david. what you are seeing? >> erin, obviously, this is a very delicate situation. and what they're trying to do right now is naturally to keep the gunman calm. the first choice in any situation like this as mike brooks will tell you, get the man talking. find out what he needs and find a peaceful resolution to this. so we're seeing a lot of law enforcement here. they're keeping residents from going into the neighborhoods. this is happening before anyone could get home from work. so there's a large crowd outside the neighborhood right now. we've been told that some residents near the house in particular have been taken away to safety but most residents are
staying in their homes. they were already in the neighborhood. and this is a nice neighborhood, large houses, four, five bedroom houses, well manicured lawns. suburban area, a north of atlanta. so you're seeing a lot of confusion on the part of the people who live here. not something that you would expect to see in their neighborhood. erin? >> yeah. i mean, if not something at all. mike, let me ask you. we're talking about firemen here. these are guys in great shape, they're strong, they're big. are they going to try to overpower the hostage terror are they trained for this? i'm trying to figure out what they would try to do in this situation? yes from our understanding it's 4 to 1. >> they have to create a rapport with the person inside there. they're not going to do that. again, they -- they put their lives on the line every day. there is something they're not used to confronting. yes, they do train for active
shooters and that sort of thing. but it's very rarely -- it's very rare where you have fire filters who are confronted with a gunman. usually if there is an incident, the police come in and they will make sure the scene is secure before the firefighters come in. but this came out as a medical emergency. so was that the reason that he was trying to bring firemen in? we don't know. it is still the early stages. hopefully right now they're able to get the negotiators in place to try to talk to him. but there again, you have firefighters that deal with folks who are under stress every single day. and, you know, they're inside there and trying to create a rapport. we don't know what is going on inside there. very, very tenuous situation right now in the early staged. >> all right. i want to add tom fuentes into the conversation. what is your assessment of the situation right now? this hasn't been going on that long but it's been a couple
hours now. is it getting more and more dangerous for the firefighters every minute this is not resolved? >> normally the longer it goes, the safer it is based in this period of time. it means the situation is stable and whatever was going on in the mind of the hostagetaker. the gives the authorities time to assess and try to establish and enhance the communications with them and find out what's behind this. what are the motivations and continue to try to keep these men safe. >> david mattingly, what is your understanding? i know this may be very unclear at this point. but as to this man, what he is armed with? >> all we're being told is this man is a gunman. that's all we know. and that he is barricaded inside with the four firefighters. a couple of other details we heard from people living in the neighborhood, people who
actually observed what was going on. they saw the initial fire vehicles pull up to the house. they went inside with a stretcher. and then about a half hour later, one of those firemen runs outside to the fire engine to move it away from the front of the house. we later learned that that was one of the five who was released. that happened about 30 minutes time for him to move the fire engine away from the front of the house. people ask why is this going on right now? there is no indication here about a motive. they don't want to talk about that right now. they're very careful about what kind of information they're putting out, obviously. we have been able to look at real estate records. we found the house was in foreclosure. we have no idea at the moment if that was any sort of contributing factor. but clearly, these firefighters
arrived here on the scene for what they thought was a medical emergency. they went in with the stretcher and that's when everything happened. >> obviously, i know david mattingly said we don't know if the foreclosure situation raz related to this incident or not. you know, i'm just thinking of an incident recent fli mork state where someone called loichlt and tlaw enforcement an goal is to try to kill somebody in law enforcement s this something that more of this is happening? is this something that's always happened? i think a lot of people would say it's very strange and very frightening that the people that you trust for law enforcement, or you trust to help you, the policemen, the firemen could be called to a scene on purpose to be taken hostage and tried to be attacked. >> normally, erin this is true of law enforcement if the house for closure has something to do with it. that they would be worried about the sheriff coming to evict them. normally firefighters don't take on the public.
they come to rescue people, to help people, to save them from fires or other problems. you don't normally see this with firefighters. you would think, i should say, if they intended to harm law enforcement, they could have made a phone call that would have indicated maybe a domestic disturbance or some other issue that would have led police to coming as opposed to firefighters. >> all right. >> i want to also add, you were talking about your incident that happened in webster, new york. >> that's right. >> i don't really see a lot of similarities between this. you know, we heard david talk about this house and public records being in foreclosure. we heard initial radio communication with the firefighters inside with their communications division talking about having wanting the utilities restored. so that makes sense to me. that maybe that is -- you know, one of the things that has driven this man to do this.
but we don't know what else has been going on in this person's life. and that's what the firefighters, that's what the county investigators are going to try to determine when they made contact with this person inside the house. >> we're going to keep monitoring this situation as low asly and hope for a safe revolution in the next few minutes. that's all we can hope for. they'll be checking back with us and david mattingly will be there. we'll go back to this as we watch it carefully. we're also talking about the tensions going on with north korea tonight which are escal e escalati escalating. multiple missile launches could come at any moment. we're going to go live to seoul and spi to a former cia agent. plus, president obama unveiled the budget today and absolutely everybody is mad. and how much would you spend for that? wait for it... wait for it...
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♪ to tracking field conditions. ♪ wireless is limitless. serve mad at president obama. so his budget was proposed today. it was a couple months late but there was the sequester fight. he calls for cuts to medicare and social security and he asked for tax increases. the president says it is courageous and stands by it. >> the numbers work. there's not a lot of smoke and mirrors in here. >> the powerful aarp said they were dismayed by the budget and it's wrong for the president to balance the budget by weakening
the programs that provide retirement for current and future generations. is anybody happy with the budget? "outfront" tonight, stephen moore and jennifer rosen. all right, good to see you both. hillary, you've seen the headlines. budget's fantasy land. obama budget may bite middle class. cbsnews.com, two months late. what is the point of alienating your base and the other side? >> well, here's the thing. i don't love this budget. and i think it's probably just fine with the white house if i don't love this budget. you know, i'm on the left. they know that they're angering some of their base. but what the president said todays with very important. ch is that this is a balance. we can no longer afford to play to one base or the other and expect to get anywhere in this country. we made good progress on the
deficit. the president saying here is another $2 trillion of deficit reduction we can achieve. but we're still going to protect, you know, the most down trodden. i think that we have to get the president props here. the people are not going to give the president props are the ones who want to play to their base. i just don't think that that's really going to sell. the american people rejected that in november. and i think that are going to reject it once this goes on the road in the next few months. >> steve, i'm here -- here is john boehner's response. another angry person. the house speaker chose to speak about it. here he is. >> i would hope that he would not hold hostage these modest reforms for his demand for bigger tax hikes. listen, why don't we do what we can agree to do? why don't we find the common ground that we do have and move on that? >> steve, the president is not giving up on tax increases. he's just not. >> it's a big problem. by the way, if you think people
are angry, wait until you read our piece in "the wall street journal." we're not liked either. the truth is we would cut spending more if we did nothing than adopted this budget. one of the first things that president obama did in this budget is suspend the sequester and suspend any future spending caps that he already agreed to and republicans are saying why would we agree to that in exchange for a trillion dollars of new taxes? hillary, i think the reason that republicans and people might say this is not a balanced approach issed president got a $600 billion tax increase in january. he also had a trillion dollar tax increase in obama care. there haven't been any spending cuts. and i want to make one other point. i think some of the reaction to the president's proposal to make very small trims in the social security benefits, very tiny given how big the crisis is and entitlement programs, what are they talking about? we have multitrillion dollar problems ahead of us. we can't even cut $150 billion
over ten years out of this program? >> let me throw one thing in here. again, i guess it depends on how you count the numbers. the debt goes up under any situation. the president, you're right zshgs add that situation, $19 trillion over the next ten years. the current budget we do $19.9 billion. the house gop, though, it would add more than $14 trillion to debt. look, the president -- >> except it's worse. >> wait, hold on. balance the budget in ten years. that is something the senate democratic budget nor this budget do. they don't reach balance. >> but it balances the budget -- it's a philosophy document. it's not a budget. it's saying let's get rid of all daycare. let's get rid of all education. let's get rid of medicare eventually. the republican budget is not a -- >> wait, get red of medicare? >> it's not going to please anybody in america who is really living on a fixed income. it's just the tax increases in
the -- >> hillary, the american people -- >> let's clarify what the tax increases are. we're not talking about, you know, massive upset of a financial system here. what we're saying is that millionaires who put money away in a retirement savings account ought to be capped from tax free income once it gets over $3 million or $4 million of retirement income. that is not significant. >> hillary, what you're doing is -- >> we're talking about really modest things here. >> but you're changing the rules on people in the middle of the game. why would anybody put money in an ira or 401(k) account? when you put the money in, the government promises you won't have to pay tax and then they see this big amount of money. you know what? we are going to tax you on that. that is very negative consequences for people's willingness to save for their retirement. thank you. all of you, please let us know what you think about the budget. next, bullied to death.
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our third story out front, bullied to death. a 17-year-old girl in canada killed herself. her mother says she was devastated by being gang raped and seeing her attackers go free. but it was the cruel cyber bullying after the assault, her mother says, that drove letter to suicide. paula noon is out front with the story. >> reporter: at just 15, this girl, according to her parents, admitted she would barely remember what happened to her that night after drinking with friends, she said she was left alone with four teenage boys and each proceeded to rape her. her family says the alleged assault was traumatic enough. but a photo of the incident texted to dozens at her high school inflicted a punishing toll on her, a year and a half after that night she was still emotionally broken and locked herself in the bathroom one day, her mother knew she was in trouble. >> i didn't even knock on the door. i just picked it open. i could feel the weight of her body on the door.
i didn't think anything. i just opened the door and said her name. i had to cut her down. she was hanging. >> after several days on life support, her family gave up hope. she died on sunday. so grief and pain her mother is now speaking out. she says she was devastated when no charges were filed for lack of evidence and her mother is shedding light on the raw cruelty of the bullying that she says followed the alleged incident. >> one girl that was a friend put on her status sluts need to leave this school anyway. just bullying and boys that she didn't know sending messages, want to have fun? you did it with my friends. why don't we get together? it just was nonstop. >> her case is outraging many including the family of amanda todd. she killed herself last year at the age of 15 after algdzly being bullied and stalked
online. carol todd says she reached out to her mother. >> i wrote to her that in my deepest of hearts, i feel sorry for what her and her family are going through. that i, for one, truly understand what she's going through. i give her as much strength as i have. >> her family now tells cnn they have met with justice officials and they understand the outrage over the lack of charges. they're satisfied that authorities will take a fresh look at the case. cnn, ottawa. awful story. ahead, the crisis in north ko a korea. the country could launch a missile at any moment. we have new intelligence about north korea's plans. we go live to seoul. then we noticed lack of action in washington about gun laws. you may think nothing happened in newtown. that is totally not true. an "outfront" investigation. are all nut gun laws since newtown doing more harm than good? ♪
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is prepared to deal with the rogue nation and tonight north korea threatens to launch a medium range missile. i know you've been there for a while. do you really have a sense of what it's like for people? u.s. radar and satellites are pointed at the east coast of the korean peninsula right now. is there a time frame for this launch? >> well, the idea and the suspicion from u.s. authorities were that it would be yesterday. that yesterday appeared to be the day this missile launch may take place. now props it's yesterday into april 15th. this is the working time frame that the south korean authorities and the u.s. officials believe could be a potential window into this missile test launch. what they're looking at is that date, april 15th. it is the 105th birthday of kim
jong-un's grandfather. it is eye lot to figure out what pyongyang is doing. are they trying to increase the pressure on the peninsula to get something else? you know, the intelligence is simply pointing to the missile launch is expected to happen at any moment. >> and you know, you talk about what's going on in pyongyangment wh . talk about conflicting messages. we're reading the message. then pyongyang invites foreigners in for a marathon? >> yeah. i mean talk about trying to predict the crazy. i mean it is very difficult to try to predict what pyongyang is going to do that marathon message you're talking about, erin, came out yesterday. pyongyang saying if you are an international runner, come on in to the international pyongyang marathon. they're actually inviting foreigners in for this. at the same time, just days earlier they're telling embassies, foreign embassies inside pang yang thyongyang tha
guarantee your safety. we're suggesting you leave on april 10th which was yesterday. and they're also telling foreigners, you should evacuate south korea. back away from the peninsula. it's difficult to tell what is happening. we're getting multiple reports inside north korea saying there is almost a festival type atmosphere leading to the birthday of kim il's son. whenever you deal with a hermit kingdom, very serious, you have to take their threats seriously but at the same time it is very, very nutty. >> all right. thank you very much. i mean nutty is the right word even though, of course, so dire and serious. all right. we have a little more on our breaking news story. i want to get straight to atlanta. four firefighters hostage in suanee, georgia. david mattingly just heard shots fired. >> reporter: what we heard were a series of explosions. first, a loud explosion like a shot grenade which is usually the first thing that s.w.a.t.
teams use when they enter a location like this. that's what we heard. and then immediately after there were several smaller concussions, possibly tear gas that was being used on this. now this has all transpired in the last five minutes. we're hearing sirens in the neighborhood. the police at this end of the neighborhood where they have everyone held back seem to be a bit on edge. the fire teams here that the ambulances they have have reved up like they're ready to move into action. but right it appears the s.w.a.t. team have moved on that house to rescue those four firemen that are still being held in that house. >> david, sounds like what you're saying this is all coming from the police and law enforcement side, the explosion that's you're talking about. they're not from the gunman or it is impossible to be sure? >> reporter: they did not sound like gun shots. they specifically sounded like what you would have with a
concussion blast and then several smaller sounds of what might be tear gas canisters being fired at a location. we can't see any of this going on. but i have heard the sounds before at other situations that i've been at. they sounded very familiar to me. and that's what it sounded like to me. but these were not gun shots that i was hearing. >> and, david, just to make sure we understand the reaction of the law enforcement that you've seen. i know you were describing that the ambulances were revving up their engines. but what else were you able to see from law enforcement that are standing where you are? >> reporter: and just after i told you all of that, everyone seems to be just standing by. it is a moment where spectators and the officials alike are all standing here at the opening of the neighborhood looking inside probably wondering just as we were what is going on. the house is out of sight. we can only guess at this moment what is going on.
but we specifically heard those tell-tale signs of a s.w.a.t. team making their move. >> explosions. david mattingly, thank you very much. we'll be checking back in with david. the story is developing incredibly quickly since the top of the hour. president obama is meeting with senate republicans at the white house at this moment. one of the topics being discussed is gun control. the sitdown comes hours after a major breakthrough. joe manchin and pat toomey announced a deal to expand background checks at gun shows and internet sails. manchin got very emotional while meeting with newtown families and talking about it.
>> i can't imagine. >> very emotional. and one senator who is going to be key in helping the deal go ahead is georgia's johnny isaacson. he has an a rating from gun owners of america which called senator toomey who also has an a a sellout because of this deal. senator isaacson came "outfront" and told me while the bill has drawn the powerful gun lobby's ire, he is not concerned about the backlash. >> the most important record card i ever had is the one i got in elementary school and high school. anybody can give out grades if they want to try to make a point. i want to know how everybody feels. most importantly how the people i represent in georgia feel. >> so maybe some real standing up to the nra. but is today's breakthrough really all that? if you take a step back and listen to the noise out there, there are a lot of gun laws in this country.
some people said as many as 20,000. is one more law really the answer? joe johns has an "outfront" investigation. >> reporter: 21-year-old matthew christoph was killed by police after he shot a summerville, massachusetts, detective at point blank range through the window of a car november of 2010. the mayor still remembers the day vividly. >> the calls and i said one of the calls you never want to get. an officer was shot. >> reporter: he was under investigation in massachusetts for buying firearms and gun friendly new hampshire which doesn't require background checks or licensing and keeps no record of sales. authorities suspected christoph was selling fire arms in massachusetts which has tough gun laws. >> those weapons that are community guns were sold off to other potential perpetrators whether they are involved in gangs or commit other crimes. >> guns also slip into massachusetts from nearby maine and vermont where a license isn't required for gun purchases. >> over two-thirds of those crimes were committed with guns
that were bought from outside of our state, not even from within our state which is especially concerning. >> reporter: gun control has become a war between the states. since newtown, at least six state legislatures have passed tougher gun control measures, more states have acted to weaken gun laws and a couple have done both. in washington, d.c., the nation's capital, they're tough on guns. but neighboring virginia acted to make concealed weapons permits confidential. across the potomac river, maryland said they will fingerprint gun owners and limit gun magazines to ten rounds. the national rifle association says it's unconstitutional. >> mostly they're feel good laws but they're dangerous. one thing you shouldn't do you in a democratic society or in any society for that matter is to make policy the height of an emotional kind of feeling. >> reporter: nowhere is the patchwork problem seen as more serious than the national instant check system for gun purchases known as nics. >> the dirty secret is the states don't even have to
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and the officer's identity and the firefighters at a later date as well. >> whether did you decide to go in? >> it's going to be the lives of those firefighters. it got to a point that we believed their lives were in immediate danger and our s.w.a.t. team made the decision to go in there and neutralize the situation. >> how did the firefighters get injured? >> the superficial wounds are from the explosion you heard. that is from the explosive that they used to distract the suspect to get in the house and take care of business. >> can you tell us how this individual died? >> i don't know at this point. he's deceased. i would suspect it's going to be through the gunfire. >> did the suspect fire at the officer? >> i cannot confirm any of that at this point. it just happened. as soon as i get more information, we'll be able to get to you all. >> what are his demands? >> again, his demands is he wanted power turned back on. i guess some of the other utilities, cable, cell phone and so on. >> how was the officer injured?
>> he was shot in -- i believe the hand or arm. it i'm not sure where yet but it is nonlife threatening. >> shot by the suspect? >> i believe so. >> the firefighters, they're injuries? >> superficial wounds and primarily from the explosion that we set off to get inside the house. >> is it like shrapnel. >> there were four fire fighters in the house and superficial wounds. >> from shrapnel? >> i'm not sure, sir. >> this was a surprise? >> the suspect been identified at this point? >> i don't have that information at this point. as soon as we release that information, i'll get it out. >> tell us about the weapons this individual had. how large a stockpile? >> i don't know. >> were there any explosives in the home? >> i believe it was to get the firetruck out of the way. i don't believe he wanted the firetruck in the house. that's why he wanted to let the firefighter go to remove that firetruck. >> what about the surprise element? can you discuss that? >> that was the explosion that you heard, the surprise element
to get our officers in there and neutralize the situation. >> surprise element also for the firefighters no doubt? >> everybody involved. we wanted to get control of the situation and do it instinctively and quickly. that's what we did. >> minimal injuries to everybody? >> i can't go into that information. i don't have that. >> we want to recap a little bit of what you were hearing in that news conference if we can, justin and erin. >> they went in there and took care -- >> any indication the house is rigged at all? >> we saw the ambulances leaving the naeighborhood. >> one had our officer. >> you've been listening to a press conference there in suanee, georgia. you heard the suspect has been killed. the s.w.a.t. team made the decision this is escalating and could become life or death for the firefighters. they used the fireballs and grenades and went in. four firefighters in there do have superficial wounds from that. but as you just heard, there the policemen say they are
superficial. they also did sat earlier firefighter who had left had been shot in the arm or hand. but it was just going to be a wound. it is not life threatening in any way. a lot of questions. don't know how many weapons. still don't know the mote frif th -- motive from that man. we're waiting to get his full identity. we'll get that to you as soon as we hear that information. now our fifth story "outfront," anthony weiner's come back. he is considering a return to politics and apparently eyeing the new york city mayor's race. weiner quit congress after tweeting looud photos of himself to women and then lying about it. he told "the new york times" magazine the window for the second chance may be now or never. are voters ready to forgive and forget? jason carroll is out front. >> reporter: the cameras, once again, following former u.s. congressman from new york, anthony weiner. >> i don't have anything more to add than what you read in the "new york times" story. but i'll be glad to sit down
with each of you individually next week. >> reporter: this after "the new york times" magazine released its profile on him and his wife. in it, weiner admits he may want to run for new york city mayor, saying i want to ask people to give me a second chance. i do want to have that conversation with people who i let down. this image is what caused weiner who had one time many democrats considered a rising star to resign in disgrace. it wasn't just the tweet he sent to a 17-year-old girl but also his explanation of it. >> someone was pranking me, punking me. >> a lie weiner repeated. >> this is a twitter hoax, a prank that was done.
calls for his resignation kept coming, soon, wean letter no choice. >> so today i'm announcing my resignation from congress. >> reporter: in the two years since then, weiner disappeared from the political spotlight. until now. the "times" says weiner spent more than $100,000 on polling and research to gauge voters' feelings about a mayoral bid. he tez he is a different man. if i ever go back to doing politics again, i don't think i'll be as good at it. either that or i'll be this crazy new kind of politician. could a comeback work? >> reporter: a poll suggests many would forgive -- >> i can forgive. >> reporter: but not forget.
>> i would never vote for him for mayor. >> reporter: weiner to decide. for "outfront," jason carol, cnn, new york. >> that was a trip down memory lane. good to have you with us. dean, realistic shot at winning for mr. anthony weiner? >> as a comedian, i really hope he runs so comedians across the country -- what he's done. honestly, i don't think the people of new york want a punch line as that i mayor. >> even if his name weren't mayor. >> you can't even say his name, honestly, true. >> you say he should run. >> yeah, i think he should. here's the thing. new york city is about to run into a fiscal buzz saw. i'm quite serious about this. new york city has had sunny skies for 20 years and we're about to go into the jungle, into owe bailiffian. and i think that anthony weiner who had a terrible qualities,
deeply unpleasant man. but i think that new york city needs a deeply unpleasant man as mayor. i'm not saying i rooting for him, i'm a rrngs i want a republican to win. but he is someone who has mettle and not bought and paid for by local public workers. >> but he's a guy who couldn't even use twitter properly. thought he was sending direct messages. i'm not sure how much confidence, frankly, it will give to people in new york and for other, you know, businesses to get the economy going, unemployment still above the national average. >> many of the most formidable political leaders of our time have been scum bags. just a fact of life. doesn't disqualify him. >> let's talk about politicianal -- political comebacks after a sex scandal. newt gingrich, bill clinton, mark sanford. big clinton, people will forgive him anything. something special about him. they got a second chance. the other guys some people have not. john edwards, forget about it. >> never. >> eliot spitzer, jury is still out on that one. anthony weiner. so what is it that makes people
forgive a newt gingrich, bill clinton and mark sanford and anthony weiner is unforgive be. >> i think bill clinton showed he was sincere and contrite. and went out there and won us back over. >> they're all contrite after they're caught. >> yeah, but there has got to be sincerity and backed up with real earnestest. >> you expect the person to be a paragon of moral virtue or not. who believed that anthony weiner was a par gone of moral virtue, always a slightly shifty character. if you want a shifty character arguing on your behalf. >> he may be right. and if he is, i'm sad about it. >> great for comedy, though. >> all right, thanks to both of you. and everyone let us know what you think. anthony weiner as mayor of new york city. new yorkers, do you like it, would you laugh at new york or say way to go? up next, one of the most famous islands in the world has been sold. tonight's essay. families and businesses is our bs.
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one of the most famous private islands in the world has been sold. it's called scorpio, a greek island, and features secluded coves, beaches, tennis courts, a farmhouse, cottages and block of housing for the year-round staff. of course, you know, that's what you have if you live there, i suppose. but you know, it's not the amenities that make it
attractive. it's the legend. it was owned by aristotle onassis and was the site of his wedding to former first lady jackie kennedy in 1968. in fact, the media coverage of that wedding is credited for sparking a private island craze, as owning your own island became the highest symbol of wealth and status. there's even a book where you can buy them. brings me to tonight's number, $153 million. that is the estimated price paid for the island by, da, da, da, da! an anonymous russian billiona e billionaire. sure, a lot of money and for some reason we thought the most famous private island in the world would have cost a heck of a lot more. still, the russian overpaid. because we scoped out the neighborhood today. you know, that's what you do in real estate. we checked it out. we found this place right next door to scorpio. it looks the same, it's called nasica island, 1,200 acres, sheltered ba