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investigation into the boston marathon terrorist attacks. >> live during this hour, a lot happening here in the city of boston. in just about 15 minutes from now, this city will stand still along with the white house at the precise moment when the two bombs went off, about a block from where we're standing here in copley square. remember, this was the middle of boston, the end of boston's most famous race, the iconic marathon. it happened this very hour exactly one week ago. so today, of course, they will be honoring the four victims and the dozens wounded in last monday's attacks. >> we now know the surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, has been charged while he lays badly wounded in his hospital bed here in boston. one of the charges using a weapon of mass destruction. all this as bostonians are back at work today, trying to find some semblance of normality after a deadly bombing, a manhunt, car chases, shootout, city wide lockdown, four innocent people have been killed.
one of those being remembered today is krystle campbell. hundreds turned out today for the funeral of the 29-year-old restaurant manager. meanwhile, boston university has announced a memorial scholarship to honor the life of one of its students, lingi lu. >> police are look at this jihad video here, parts of the elder brother's youtube collection, but the focus is on the younger brother, dzhokhar tsarnaev, seen here wrestling with a friend.
he was the captain of his senior year high school wrestling team. today, though, a much different situation for him. he's handcuffed as we speak to a hospital bed, and as jake mentioned, we have just learned the charges here have now been filed against him. this is huge that we're learning here, just in the last couple of minutes, a senior federal official briefed on the investigation said this young man is in fact communicating in writing. his throat was wounded. he is injured, so as a result, the myriad of injuries have left him speechless, at least for now. >> there are a lot of moving parts in this investigation, of course. crime scene investigators returned to the backyard just outside boston where that boat cover flapping in the wind led to the capture of dzhokhar tsarnaev after a volley of gunfire. this investigation stretching from boston all the way to chechnya and russia. today we learned police believed brothers may have been planning more attacks.
take a listen. >> the two suspects were armed with handguns at the scene of the shootout. and there were multiple explosive devices including a large one that was similar to the pressure cooker device that was found on boylston street. i saw that with my own eyes. i believe that the only reason that someone would have those in their possession was to further attack people and cause more death and destruction. >> cnn's deb feyerick is in new york. and pentagon correspondent chris lawrence is in north kingstown, rhode island, with exclusive details on the wife of the eldest brother. but before we get to that, deb, we just learned dzhokhar tsarnaev has been charged with using a weapon of -- or using weapons of mass destruction. run us through the specific charges. >> yeah, i want to take you through some of the key points that are here in this criminal complaint. those released just moments ago. first of all, he's charged with
using a weapon of mass destruction and conspireing to use a weapon of mass destruction. those are the two preliminary charges upon which he's being held. now, some specificity in the document, first of all, in tsarnaev's room, at his college room, they found a large py pyrotechnic, they also found bbs that was found in his room. in a car, second location, they recovered two unexploded ieds, two bombs also in that -- the containers, similar containers, and remnants of an exploded ied. now, apparently, tsarnaev has gunshot wounds to his head, to his neck, to his legs and also to his hand. so that's the injuries. but there is one really interesting section here, as i'm reading through the criminal complaint and this is about how the bombing played out. and apparently tsarnaev, we're
talking about dzhokhar, the guy in the white hat, apparently he had had a cell phone in his left hand, he gets in front of the restaurant, where the little boy is standing, there is a metal barricade there, and he is seen slipping the backpack off his shoulder on to the ground. it is at that point, a four-minute window where he's occasionally look at his cell phone and at one point he even -- it appears he takes a picture with that particular cell phone, and then approximately 30 seconds before the first explosion, he lifts the cell phone to his ear, he's on it for about 18 seconds, and just then that first explosion occurs. everybody looks in the direction of that first explosion, and then, according to the criminal complaint, that is when he seizes the opportunity to simply walk away, leaving his knapsack there and there is a window of about ten seconds according to the criminal complaint from the time he walks away to the time that second knapsack, the one
with the little boy was killed, that one explodes. there is also a pretty detailed description of what was going on with the carjacker. and apparently the older brother knocked on the window of the vehicle, and he pointed a gun at the victim and he said, did you hear about the boston explosion. i did that. and that's when he got into the car and the two then picked up the younger man, they were talking in a foreign language, they demanded money from the victim, he only had $45, they drove to an atm and tried to get more money from that. and that's -- then -- the stolen vehicle was left on a street near where the shootout occurred. it appears they got in a second vehicle. all that now under investigation. but some interesting details not only about the kinds of injuries he sustained, but the kind of evidence they have, as long as that description of the cell phone communication that was going on in the moments before first explosion. jake, brooke? >> it is incredible the details
that are coming to light. we have here, we're just going to do this on the fly live, as you know how this criminal complaint and you're reading it as we're listening to you, deb. in a moment, i want to bring in our senior legal analyst jeff toobin. here is my question for you. the big question is going to be, would he initially face this most massive charge, this weapons of mass destruction resulting in death, because that is key because that is the death penalty eligible charge. and there was discussion as to whether or not that would be brought against him initially. you weren't in the room, jeff toobin, but talk me through some of the conversations that would have been had, why charge him with this up front? >> well, this was an enormous terrorist crime. and three people died in a bomb, in a major public place. why wouldn't you charge the most serious crime that you could? let me just stop for a second and give a little procedural point here. this is a complaint. it sets essentially a 30-day -- 30-day clock in motion.
during those 30 days, the case will be presented to a grand jury and he will then be indicted in the course of those 30 days. those charges may be somewhat different. chances are there will be more of them. but this charge here, in this complaint, is not the final word of the government in terms of what he's going to be charged with. the grand jury will ultimately decide the final charges, and we'll know a lot more about that within the next 30 days. >> and, jeff, if i could ask you, i'm reading this criminal complaint and i think you make a very important point, because obviously this is just one iteration of evidence. he describes the act of bombers number one and bombers number two leaving knapsacks in certain spots and then says i can discern nothing in that location in the period before the explosion that might have caused the explosion, other than bomber two's knapsack. at a different point, he also says he's compared the
photographs of dzhokhar tsarnaev with photographic and video images of bomber number two and i believe based on their close physical resemblance, there is probable cause that they are one and the same person. s surely when the government presents its case, one week after the attack, they'll have a lot more than what is in this criminal complaint. >> absolutely. that's a very important point, jake. like many complaints, this has a lot of words in it like might be, appears to be, seems to be, those statements will be replaced by actual evidence if and when this case goes to trial. obviously one of the most important pieces of evidence is the bomb itself. there will be technical evidence about where the bomb came from, and whether it was inside a backpack. they presumably will be able to tie that backpack to the backpack in the photograph, but they haven't been able -- haven't been able to do it yet. certainly the circumstantial evidence described here in this
case, the fact that he sets down the backpack, the fact that nothing else appears to explode, is extremely powerful. but it is only the beginning of what the government will be able to prove at trial. >> deb feyerick, let me bring you back in, because you had more time to go through the ten-page criminal complaint. what more detail are you reading? >> it is just -- it is really fascinating. there has been a huge question as to how the gentlemen were able to communicate and how they were able to detonate the particular device. so the fact that he was on the cell phone immediately before that first explosive went off clearly the suggestion is is that he was making sure that his brother was -- his brother, the suspected bomber, was away from the vicinity of that bomb before he himself lit his own device. and also, very interesting, you know, as we look at this, there is a big question as to why they would have let this carjacking
suspect either go or escape. the criminal complaint, i believe, says escape. but the fact that they would even make that a possibility because, the carjacking victim walked into the very same gas station as dzhokhar tsarnaev had been in just moments before. so, whether they were being sloppy, it is very unclear, but i think the presence of the evidence that they so far found, now we know the extent of his injuries, and the neck, and the leg, and the hand, as well as the head, you know, all that is sort of painting a picture in terms of the kind of condition that he's in right now. but really it is that description of how this bombing took place that is quite fascinating. really stands out in this criminal complaint. >> and, deb, just going over the complaint, there is still many questions, many things we do not know. we still don't have the details about the shooting of that
m.i.t. police officer who these brothers allegedly killed. that is not explained in detail here. we may never know exactly what happened. and as you say -- i'm sorry, deb, go ahead. >> i was just saying that that's -- it is interesting you mention that. i'm working on a lead on that right now. so i do hope to have some information for you on that shortly about how it all played out. because that was the trigger that launched the entire investigation and the information i'm getting is rather stunning actually. so hopefully we'll have that for you within the hour. >> and, jeff, looking at this complaint and it describes when they carjacked this unknown individual, and they bragged, did you hear about the boston explosion? i did that, he then -- one of the brothers removed the magazine from his gun, shows the victim that it had a bullet in it and reinserted the magazine and said, i'm serious, they drive to another location, they demand money from the victim. they get $45 from him. then they compel him to hand over his atm card, go to the atm machine and when the two
brothers get out, as deb mentioned, the victim -- the carjacking victim manages to escape. not a tremendously sophisticated terrorist operation here in these last hours of their freedom. >> just because you're a criminal, one thing prosecutors often say, just because you're a criminal doesn't mean you're a competent criminal. just because you're a terrorist, doesn't mean you're a competent terrorist. the -- what their exit strategy was for crime was remains a total mystery. i think you raise a very important point about the murder of the m.i.t. police officer, collier. he -- they are certainly going to have a theory of that. and they are not going to let the prosecutors are not going to let that crime go unpunished or unprosecuted. but in a complaint, in a initial complaint, you don't have to explain everything. and that is certainly a
conspicuous omission in this complaint. in my quick reading, there is not a word in here about the murder of officer collier and i think that is something that the government is certainly going to address before the grand jury and certainly before a trial if there -- if this case actually goes to trial. >> i feel like and maybe you remember this too, just being out here for the better part of last week, so many analysts and reporters with sources have said, clearly these people have -- very sophisticatedly planned this whole thing a week ago today, but as far as what happened post explosion, it just didn't really seem very well thought out whatsoever. jeff, here is my other question. just to confirm, this -- dzhokhar tsarnaev has not yet been read his miranda rights, correct? >> i have to say i don't know. because there was an initial appearance today, that's why this complaint is out. the circuit executive, the administrator of this area, has put out a statement saying there was an initial appearance before
a magistrate judge. that is as far as i understand it an arraignment. i have never heard of an arraignment without an attorney present. they didn't mention an attorney present. if an attorney is present, the attorney will simply say to the client, you -- don't answer questions. at that point, the attorney is the person the prosecutor is supposed to deal with. i have to say, there is information out there that we don't have. whether an attorney was present, whether this was an actual arraignment, i think we just need to hold off on that until we get more information. >> we're holding off. still so early this all happened. >> before we let deb feyerick go and chase down that lead she was referring to, deb, i was wondering, is there anything else that stands out in it that you should let us know about? >> you know, i went through pretty thoroughly. they basically -- they basically summarize the events of what happened at the boston marathon, they talk about how there was an
interruption of interstate foreign commerce, obviously the suggestion that there will be an additional charge there. they also talk about the security cameras and how the two men were picked up on the two security cameras. but really it is -- it is that description of the blast that really jumps out. that and the story by the carjacker that demand the carjacking victim who basically said, you know, that one of the suspected bombers came up and said, did you hear about the boston explosion, i did that. that's pretty gutsy move. these men did not -- were not acting as if they wanted to go undetected and that's -- that's interesting. think about it. the younger brother, he walked into the gas station, he could not have known -- how could he not have known he would have been photographed there? so he's there long enough to get a picture taken, he then goes to an atm, again, long enough to get a picture taken, so these -- they were not underground, not by a long stretch.
but why they began that initial shot, why they fired that initial shot at that m.i.t. officer, again, investigators are trying to get into their heads to figure out why, because that's what really put them on the radar so that police could respond the way they did. jake, brooke? >> thank goodness for the lack of forethought, right? because that's what helped so many people were able to identify this young suspect, because of those photos. jeff toobin, my last question is this, we just got confirmation from bill mires, our producer in washington, covered the supreme court for years and years, he learned there was a public defender inside that hospital room today when the charges were read. does that change anything? >> well, that's just a normal procedure. that's what makes sense. i was confused by the initial reports that didn't mention a defendant. this looks to me like an arraignment. and obviously it is a very unusual crime, and it is unusual, though not unprecedented, to have one in a hospital room.
but this is how arraignments work. you have a defense attorney who represents the -- who represents the defendant. he asserts that he understands the charges against him. now, what is usually dealt with in an arraignment is the question of bail. is someone getting out on bail. obviously this defendant is not getting out on bail, and really the only purpose of this arraignment is to start the 30-day clock, which will lead to an indictment in the next month. >> all right, jeffrey toobin and deborah feyerick, thank you so much. we'll be right back. when we come back, we'll speak to a runner who, today, is going to finish that marathon. stay with us. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea.
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welcome back here to boston. and i don't know if you've ever run a marathon, tapper? >> in my mind. >> in your mind. but for those of you who have run this 26.2 miles, it is an extreme test of the body. but today it is really the human spirit that one runner will highlight when she does her special version of the race. kathy taylor could not finish
the last .7 of the mile, one week ago today, of course, when the bombing shut down the course. >> so today, at the time that the first blast hit, one week ago, she will finish her marathon run and she's asked others to join her. cassie taylor, today, right now, joins us. why do you feel the need to do this? explain to us. you more than finished the marathon. even though there was .7 left, you sprinted two or three more miles looking for family and friends. >> a lot of people are in a similar situation as i am. and, of course, the first and foremost is honoring the victims and thank people that protect our country every day. but we also don't want to lose sight of what the marathon spirit is. and the majority of the people that didn't get to finish this race are running for a charity. we're not running to finish on our own. we're running to represent important people and causes and incredible stories all around the country. and we don't want that to be lost in the chaos that is
following. so we really want to go out there and finish this for them. when you have a mother with a young child fighting cancer looking you in the eyes, i was running for family reach foundation this woman with tears in her eyes thanking me for being brave. i need to finish for her and not for me and i think a lot of people are in the same boat here. >> give me the name of the organization again. >> family reach foundation. you can go to familyreach.org and learn more about it. >> i was down at memorial site earlier today and there was a woman who wasn't running the marathon, but she had her shoes laced up, she wanted to do this today to honor the victims. this is still -- still cordoned off by boston police. so you sadly cannot actually finish where that finish line is, just on the other side of the ilding. but where will you be running? >> we will start at commonwealth avenue and charles gate east where it crosses mass avenue and we'll go parallel to the finish line. so we'll be crossing it, just not on the actual boylston
street. we'll be running down com avenue and right on arlington. >> how many people are running with you? >> we'll see how many people show up if anybody is inspired now and lacing up their shoes right now, they should meet you at 2:50 eastern, where, exactly? >> commonwealth avenue and charles gate east and we'll observe the moment of silence and then run into the memorial. >> what do you think will be going through your mind while you're running this. >> all the bells ringing. >> right. it really is just coming together. we can't let things like this take our pride and take our sense of community. so i think it is important that we show how resilient we can be and, you know, i know a lot of us will be back next year. this is our chance to come together and finish it the right way. >> we see, you know, nice to see the hustle and bustle back in boston, people going back it work, a lot of people wearing boston strong hats, signs everywhere. what does boston strong mean to you? >> you know, like i said, community. there is a spirit here that, you know, people might joke about it, we're the only city that
will shut down until we find someone. it is all about community, whether it is about sports, whether it is about banning together for something this important to us. we really do come together in boston and i think that's important to represent. >> i wish that every time we mentioned the name of one of the suspects, we got to name the victims, 15 times each. you are roughly the same age, there are two women in their 20s killed in the horrible terrorist attack. krystle campbell and lingzi lu, i believe she was 22 years old. does that make it extra horrible because you are a woman in her 20s? does that make it even more something or -- >> i mean, i think it just reminds us that you can't count any day as always going to be there. i think it reminds us that we need to treat the time as precious as we can. i'm here. i plan to run again next year. that's on camera now so i have to do it, right? >> right.
this will be used as evidence in the court of public opinion. >> come back and make sure -- i love that you're rocking the jacket. >> bib on and everything. >> cassie, good luck. let us know how it goes. we appreciate it. >> thanks so much for being here. up next, we'll talk to our correspondent chris lawrence, he's getting new information today, not on this younger suspect who we keep talking so much about who is in the hospital right now, but this older suspect, tamerlan tsarnaev who is now dead. we're learning more about his wife, his wife, new details on the other side of the break. stay right here. on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. if you want to save yourself time and avoid a hassle, go to angie's list. at angie's list, you'll find the right person to do the job you need. and you'll find the right person quickly and easily. i'm busy, busy, busy, busy. thank goodness for angie's list. from roofers to plumbers to dentists and more, angie's list -- reviews you can trust. oh, angie? i have her on speed dial.
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including more than 200 others who are standing around the finish line one week ago today. boston is a city still reeling after the deadly bombings. a terrorist manhunt, car chases, shootouts, and a city wide lockdown. now we're minutes away from that moment of silence. we now know the white house, the president, will be pausing to remember the four innocent people who were killed in a week of violence. >> we're also following a group of runners who are determined to finish the race. they started last monday. now to chris lawrence who has got more information on one of the suspects, the eldest brother, tamerlan, had a child and a wife, catherine russell, you've spoken to her. chris, you've spoken to her lawyer. what did they tell you and what are you learning from the folks there about her religious beliefs? >> good question, jake. basically she is the woman that everyone has been wanting to
know about. that's a federal agent passing by behind me right there, federal agents have been posted outside katherine russell's parents home. this is where she's been staying for the past several days. federal agents have been trying to speak with her, trying to determine what, if anything, she knew about what her husband was doing and who else he may have been affiliated with besides his younger brother. the attorney says basically that she understands their interest, she understands that it is a national security issue, and she feels very, very strongly about what happened to the victims of boston. he also says quite bluntly, the family is a complete mess. he said katherine russell is distraught over what happened. he said she did not know anything about what her husband was doing, and says basically that right now her concern is with their 3-year-old daughter, who she now is trying to raise as a widow.
jake? >> chris, national public radio last week found three roommates of kate russell, of katherine russell, who lived with her in college, and said that they never liked tamerlan, that once he came into their lives around 2008 or 2009 he started becoming belligerent, violent. >> brainwashing words. >> brainwashing, said that when she married him, she basically cut off all contact with all of her friends. this, first of all, would undermine the argument that he wasn't really radicalized until 2011, if he's violent and doing that brainwashing in 2008, 2009, but more to the point, what does the family say about her state of mind even before these attacks? >> basically, jake, she's known to her close friends as katie, katie russell. she's young. she just graduated high school
in, like, 2007. they were married in 2010. and basically she was raised as a christian. she converted to islam after becoming involved with tamerlan, and we're told she is an observant muslim, wears a head scarf and was wearing a head scarf when she was here earlier this morning. >> all right, chris lawrence in rhode island, following the developments with the wife of tamerlan, who is holed up with her family in rhode island, i imagine it must be -- >> tough for the parents, i'm sure. and just getting their little girl back. we're following that story. we're also getting as we have been reading this criminal complaint, new nuggets because we now know the charges have been read to the younger suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev. we go to don lemon standing outside of beth israel hospital, we'll get an update on his condition. and we'll share some of the new details about the moments just
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welcome back to cnn. you're watching some pictures of the memorial for the victims of the terrorist attack one week ago today. almost to the minute. we'll be looking at -- we'll be watching the moment of silence. >> firefighter, first responders, paying their respects here as we're coming upon that moment, 2:50 p.m. eastern time, when those blasts went off. and this was the location for explosion number two, just a block from us, on boylston street. >> dzhokhar tsarnaev is in a hospital here in boston at this
hour, under sedation, unable to speak, we're told, but he's been nodding and writing. as we have been reporting, he is alert enough now, he's been deemed alert enough, to be charged. let's get the latest from don lemon outside the hospital. any changes in dzhokhar tsarnaev's condition? >> reporter: well, it seems he's well enough and alert enough to have an appearance with a magistrate, presumably from his hospital room. his condition still serious. that's the last report we got from the hospital. and that he had been intubated, obviously we have been reporting that, but his condition was still serious, but they also had him restrained because they didn't want him to pull the breathing device from his mouth. again, as you have been saying, he has been alert enough that he's been not talking, but communicating with investigators, communicating either by writing things down on a pad or on a white board. and presumably they have been doing that. one way they can do that is called a holiday from the drug.
and what that presumably does is they ease up on the drugs, enough for him to regain consciousness so that when they ask him questions, he's conscious enough that he can answer them, either nod his head or write them down on the board. >> don what do we know about those questions and this process of asking these questions every couple of hours when they do ease off the drugs? you've talked to a former fbi agent who is familiar with this group, who has been doing some of the interrogating. what would it be like inside that room? >> it is called a sedation holiday, they ease up off the drugs for a few minutes or for a few hours. i've been learning a lot about it. it is called, this is according to an fbi source, a high value detention interrogation group. and that's part of the national security branch of the fbi. and it is made up of three different groups in the fbi and the cia, the counterterrorism division, the counterintelligence division and also members from the weapons of
mass destruction division. and after saddam hussein's capture back in 2005, he was captured in 2003, but after that capture around 2005, they established this group because they -- office of homeland security deemed that they needed a more -- a group more specific, and knew more about global terrorism, international terrorism, rather than just local agencies. so this one group comes in first, for a high value target like this, and that's who interrogates him. now, what this fbi agent who worked with this group says, at this point he is, dzhokhar is under the custody of u.s. marshals now, no longer the fbi. because of this hearing, because he's met with magistrate. and what it says now is he cannot speak any more unless his attorney is present. they cannot talk to him anymore unless his attorney is present. then they have this probable cause hearing, scheduled for may 30th. and so the defense will present their case, their evidence
against dzhokhar tsarnaev. and there the fbi agent says that's when the formal negotiating will begin. and the first thing he would do and his attorney will probably do is try to get the death penalty off the table by saying, after he sees the evidence, my client will cooperate if you take the death penalty off the table. so that's what you're going to see in the next -- in the coming days and especially when we have this preliminary hearing that is coming up on may 30th, brooke. >> don, we know that dzhokhar tsarnaev has a bullet wound in his neck. we don't know if -- we haven't learned yet from the shootout with police thursday night, friday morning, or from the shootout with police in watertown on friday evening. there is even speculation that it was from law enforcement officials that it may have been from a failed suicide attempt. have we learned anything new specifically on that? >> reporter: we have spoken to the hospital about that, they will not give us any
information. i spoke with a boston police chief yesterday, ed davis, and asked him specifically about that. he said he couldn't comment on it. but it is in his neck. it is keeping him from speaking. we know there was gunfire exchange and flash grenades that went off, which has caused dzhokhar tsarnaev to not be able to hear. he's lost part of his hearing. but he fell six to seven feet from the boat and there was lots of blood. with all the questioning and everything you're talking about going on in the hospital and that he's -- he has this wound, and he is under medication, i asked a former fbi agent who worked with group, i said, what kinds of questions are they asking him right now? he says, i would imagine they're asking him about his brother's trips, about the rhetoric, about the associates, about plans, other devices, ultimate plan, others involved, about his dad, was his dad involved, and also who told him where to put what devices, did his brother tell him what to do?
and if there were other people involved in this. i said, would they be doing this so soon because he's medicated again? he said, this may be their only opportunity. they would take it slow as, you know, as would -- as you said, build rapport, get him to trust them, treat him with dignity and respect, and give him some hope. the members of the team that are doing this, they say, they used rapport-based interrogation techniques, not enhanced interrogation techniqued. so they're going to go slow and try to build some trust with him, but also give him some hope in hopes he will cooperate. >> all right, don lemon, thanks. i want to take a moment and point to behind where brooke and i are standing. you can see the police line is there, this is the crime scene. we're just about six minutes away from the moment of silence that was one week ago, plus six minutes, when the first bombing in the terrorist attack went off. >> they're coming in now from both directions. >> i'll get out of the way of the shot, where you can see
people are coming from work, coming from home, coming to gather for boston to be as one and commemorate and remember those who were lost, those who were wounded, and also, of course, to honor the first responders who saved so many lives that day. >> some people bringing flowers, you can hear, jake, the buzzing of helicopters overhead. this is the only vantage point people in this moment at 2:50 p.m. eastern time can see the sites of the explosion as it is still surrounded by crime scene tape and no one has access inside. but, again, we are awaiting and we will, of course, pause to remember and to reflect as well. we'll hear bells chiming throughout the city of boston and we will have live pictures from the cathedral of the holy cross, which is where president obama and the first lady, we saw the governor, the mayor, huge venue for that interfaith service last thursday. we'll play that for you. and we will stop talking and pause to reflect. we promise to do that. i want to take you live to deb
feyerick, who has been going over some of the details in the charges, reading through the criminal complaint. and, deb, talking about this earlier, the charges don't include that m.i.t. police officer shot and killed. >> correct. that's exactly right. you know, this criminal complaint really -- this is -- i've seen this happen before, this criminal complaint is roughly, let's see, this is ten pages long. when the final -- when the actual indictment comes out, chances are it will be many times larger than this. usually, you know, the indictments we get are anywhere between 40, 50, 60 pages, it all depends. this is what they have got so far. this is enough for them to hold this man in the hospital, as they continue to investigate. there is a lot of evidence out there, and very interesting, earlier you showed a picture of a group of people that are around what looks like a tree stump, that picture you had, i think a live picture. what is interesting is that's where they believe tsarnaev, the one with the white hat, was standing and that's what his
position was, well, guess what, that was a tree. and investigators believe he may have touched that tree and so they removed that as evidence. so they're looking at a lot of things. also, there will be potential dna, blast, shrapnel, things like that that they'll be looking at in that particular tree. so it is just to say that they are so far at the beginning of preparing an indictment and listing all the various charges, but, yes, look, you'll have the deaths of the three people who were at the races, you'll have the -- you'll have the injuries of the 170 people, just as you had in the u.s. embassy bombings, which i covered. there you had the deaths and injuries of some 238 people. so this is going to get a lot larger. it is going to get a lot longer and they're going to be listing everyone who was injured will likely be listed either by name or some sort of alias. the names of the dead, those will be included, the police officer, that will be included.
they will add everything to this. so what i'm holding right now, this is just a place holder, really just a place holder. brooke, jake? >> you know, deb, you were talking about the tree stump and we were showing the live pictures, i don't know if we still have them, but the tree stump was apparently the site of the second explosion and you see the semicircle of men, the firefighters, the first responders, as we await and as we continue to see more people lining up, boylston street, as close as they can get before the moment of silence, a couple of days ago i talked to someone i'll never forget this 41 veteran of boston fire department, his name was charlie buchanan, engine 24, you know, had never done an interview in 41 years and he was one of the heroes to rush toward -- he told me, brooke, we attacked, we never retreat. and ran toward the smoke and just to hear his story to hear his story of how he thought of his 7-year-old grandson malachi as he saw the daughter of martin -- the younger sister of martin richard and saw her eyes and he's having a tough time
sleeping because he closes his eyes and he sees her little eyes, but just, you know, to think of what the heroes in the city have been able to do and finding these people in a matter of five days, and sweeping in, that there aren't more injuries and more deaths, my hat is off to them. >> we're just 30 seconds away from the moment of silence. it will be commemorated not just here in boston but also at the white house and one thinks probably around the world. we will pause. we will remember martin richard, we'll remember krystle campbell and lingzi lu, officer collier and all the others who have been wounded and who have had their hearts shaken by this horrible incident. i'm just going to be quiet right now and we're going to enjoy this moment of silence.
at our location here, the crowds are beginning to dissipate. it was very moving for hundreds of bostonians to come to this crime scene, to take a moment of silence to commemorate the victims, to honor the victims and, brooke, you and i talked about this, i wish every time we mentioned the suspect's name, we could mention the victims, including those who are wounded a thousand times. let's take a moment to honor the victims who were killed. 8-year-old martin richard. m.i.t. police officer sean collier. 29-year-old krystle campbell. and graduate student lingzi lu. so much promise, young. >> all very young. very young. very sad. very tragic. and as everyone leaves this crowd here and goes back to their lives and goes back to work and their children, no one will forget what happened here
in boston one week ago today, and no one will also forget the resilience and the strength and the ability to heal as this city begins to move forward. kevin colin is a boston globe columnist, he's been penning some incredibly poignant pieces in the globe over the course of the last week or two. and, kevin, let me begin with -- tell me where you are to mark this moment, and what does this moment mean for you as a bostonian? >> well, ironically, i'm standing in new york, and i'm down at columbia university at the dart center for journalism and trauma. down here for two reasons, to talk about what happened in the past week and also to see kind of resources for some of my colleagues, because we had people who were traumatized, obviously not as seriously as first responders, but we had a couple of photographers in the middle of it, and we had some
young reporters who were never in it ever, anything like this, so, you know, there is a lot of healing that needs to take place, brooke. so i'm down in new york of all places. the other thing, my whole world view has changed. i mean, i can never make fun of the yankees again after what everybody in the bronx did at the stadium last week. >> that was a special moment, wasn't it? a little sweet caroline. >> a beautiful moment. i'll make an exception for a-rod, but it really -- in terms of -- i don't know if it is hard to explain what it has been like while these events were unfolding, and we were getting, you know, a lot of my colleagues getting messages from people in australia and the uk and ireland, in south africa, and all over the state, and particularly from new york. i can't tell you how many new yorkers i heard from. and when you hear from people like that, i mean, you hear from
londoners, i'm hearing sympathy, you're hearing empathy, and we knew -- i've said -- i was up in harlem and people heard my accent and said, are you from boston? and that matters. and it matters as we go forward now because i got to be honest with you, i have so little interest in the knuckle head who is, you know, just charged with the crimes. we have so many more important things to focus on in boston. we have to bury our dead, first. we have to heal our wounded and we have to take care of our first responders because they saw things that no one should see and that's a long, long process. >> that's right. they saw things that day that usually you would only see in a war zone. kevin, i want to say, you must -- you must be very proud of your city. >> i am. i never have been prouder. i was proud of menino.
i was proud when i was in the district where i was stationed and talked to firefighters from number 7 and tower ladder number 17 and knew they ran head on toward the bombs and worked on members of the richard family, who they knew, guys on engine 7, they call the driver and the truck, his daughter baby sat martin. it is just incredible when you think about -- we are a small big city and every day people around here, we find that we know more victims. every day i have learned somebody i know has been hurt. so -- >> it seems like around here in boston, you know, if you live in this town, there is no degree of separation from the marathon, from what happened, and you, kevin cullen, thank you so much. good luck there, good luck there in new york. we appreciate it.
welcome back to cnn special live coverage of the boston terror attacks. i'm jake tapper. >> i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with us here. before we get back to the rapidly unfolding events here today in boston, want to take you to canada, where we're learning a little bit more about a planned terror attack that has been foiled by authorities. for more on this, to paula newton on the phone in ottawa. and, paula, we understand there have been some arrests. what are you learning? >> well, i am learning that the police will brief us within half an hour, brooke, and one rcn police source telling us this was a plot, that was to target transport links in canada. would not say exactly what the nature of that was. and they say they had this plot,
that people involved in this plot under surveillance for some time, they decided to make the arrest. brooke, we should point out that as of now there are no links to the boston marathon bombings. and no links to an earlier plot we learned of in algeria earlier this year where two canadians were also implicated. right now, this seems to be a plot that rcnp here in canada are uncovering. they'll give us more details in a few minutes. i should also say, brooke, this was apparently extensive help from u.s. intelligence and authorities. brooke? >> how long had authorities been watching these suspects? is there any indication? >> there is an indication it was at least several months. i can tell you from when i was briefed on some of these plots last year, that there are a handful of plots that rcnp are following at this moment. they found from a lot of different european investigations, they have told me that this is one of the best ways that they find that when they get some intelligence, they
then end up for lack of a better term bugging, whether residences or cell phones and listen to each and everything done in those homes, on computers, on cell phones and they think that is the best way to elicit evidence and keep the public safe without making premature arrests without having the evidence they need. we have a trial open in canada, which was a situation, jake, canadian authorities went into a home and were trying to set up bombs with circuit boards and they had gone to this home, replaced the real circuit boards with dummy boards and didn't -- and let the -- you know, the alleged terrorists carry on with the planning for their plot until they were ready to arrest them. we'll see in a few minutes if that's the nature of this kind of investigation as well. >> frightening. paula newton for us in canada. paula, thank you. meantime, back here in the u.s. here, in boston, this entire nation is paying tribute, the sole surviving suspect in the boston bombings now knows which charges he faces.
this afternoon prosecutors filed two offenses against him as he sat handcuffed in his hospital bed. one count of using and conspireing to use a weapon -- a weapon of mass destruction. and one count of malicious destruction of property by means of an explosive device resulting in -- although we know he's being charged with the death of three people killed in two blasts, he has not charged of the death of the m.i.t. police officer who was killed on -- during a gunfight. >> we know he's responsive and alert enough, he's been communicating in writing and by nodding after his threaoat was wounded. a bullet left him speechless. if convicted on the charges against him, dzhokhar tsarnaev could get the death penalty. i want to bring in two legal minds to help us better understand the charges and the case ahead.
senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and cnn legal analyst sunny hostin join us from new york. and in indianapolis, larry mackey, a former federal prosecutor who helped convict oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh and his partner terry nichols. there is a lot of legal terms we're using here. explain the event today and how that differs from an indictment, which i'm assuming will happen soon. >> yeah, the criminal complaint is the first step in the federal judicial process. that's what this document accomplishes today. there will be a period of time after the filing of this complaint and the return of formal indictments and that's the latter document is the one that the defendant will then go forward at trial on. so there will be a period of time and the mcveigh case it was from april to august. not sure how long it will lapse in this case. >> okay. let me just jump in before we
continue the conversation. we brought a young runner to you earlier, cassie. there is a group of runners who began running the last little bit of the marathon that so many of them did not get to finish, so here they are, this is video of them wanting to finish, so we just want to let you know, we're keeping track of them as they're running here on the streets of boston and this beautiful, beautiful blue sky, sunny day. >> cassie's first marathon. she had .7 left before the bomb struck. i think that's her putting her jacket back on. and she actually she more than finished because she spent -- >> she sprinted two miles. >> she sprinted two miles looking for family and friends. we know she can do it. she's doing this in honor of the victims, both for -- who were killed in this horrible week and those hundreds wounded and also in honor of the first responders and also for some of them in honor of charities they're involved in. >> so we will keep tabs on them, we promise. back to the charges here, jeff toobin, the question is, earlier you were saying this criminal complaint, the charges are a
place holder. explain what you meant by that. >> well, this is the initial step in the judicial process. and this allows tsarnaev to be held for the time being. but when he goes to trial, if he goes to trial, it will be on an indictment that is returned by a grand jury and that grand jury investigation will begin in the next few days. this just outlines the charges in a general way, but the specific charges against him, and hear, for example, we don't know if he will be charged in federal court with the murder of the m.i.t. police officer collier, that's not mentioned in the complaint. those are the sorts of issues that will be dealt with in the grand jury this and will see the full scope of what he faces in criminal court. >> i want to bring you in here, sunny, and read a portion from the criminal complaint against tsarnaev. it says, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the younger, the surviving brother, quote, then can be seen
apparently slipping his knapsack on to the ground. that's,000 describes him leaving the alleged bomb, the criminal complaint then says this about what happened after the first explosion. virtually every head turns to the east and stares in that direction. in apparent bewilderment and alarm. bomber two, dzhokhar, virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant, appears calm. he glances to the east, and then calmly but rapidly begins moving to the west, away from the direction of the finish line. he walks away without his knapsack, having left it on the ground where he had been standing, approximately ten seconds later, an explosion occurs in the location where bomber two, again, dzhokhar, had placed his knapsack. so how strong is this evidence and should we expect much, much more when the actual indictment happens? >> i think there is no question that we will learn much more detail in terms of what kind of
evidence the government will have to present against this defendant. because what you're reading from is the affidavit in support of this complaint. it is pretty bare bones, but even in the bare bones, you see the detail, you see sort of the hints at what is there. the hint of the surveillance video, the hint of his actions right before and after the bombing. and so i think there is no question that we will hear a lot more about this case, and, jake, i do want to mention, sort of piggy back on what jeff said earlier, this was not an arraignment, it was a first appearance, but certainly the criminal process has gone. and typically what happens in this kind of appearance before a magistrate judge is that the defendant is read the charges against him as they stand now, and then he's also -- he's -- it is discussed with him what not only the charges are, but some of his rights, the right to remain silent typically, the right to counsel, whether or not
he can afford a counsel, and bail is also discussed. i do find it a bit odd at this point that no defense attorney is involved. i did reach out to the federal public defender's office in massachusetts, they had no comment, but i suspect that he will be getting counsel if he hasn't gotten counsel already. >> jeff toobin, i hear you sitting there listening to sunny and shaking her head. why the head shake? >> well, because there was a separate announcement from the -- of the public defender, actually he was represented by a public defender at the appearance. bill fick, who is a senior defense lawyer with the public defender, is now his lawyer. i shared sunny's bewilderment as why there was no mention of a defense lawyer, just that they didn't mention it, so this was apparently a fairly normal initial appearance. he did have a defense lawyer, even though the announcement came separately. >> that's great.
because it was -- >> jeff, you read through this. hang on, sunny. jeff, you read through the criminal complaint. what do you find most striking about all the details coming out? >> that this looks like an indefensible case. i mean, you know, obviously the scientific evidence is what is not there, you know, the fact that, you know, this bomb came from this canister which came from this apartment, but even in the absence of this, this certainly at this point doesn't look like a who dun it. it looks like why was this done? the defense here to the extent there is going to be a defense, it certainly seems like it will be about the relative culpability of the one brother, the younger brother, versus the older brother. it doesn't look like there is any alternative scenario, but that these two brothers set off these bombs. >> and larry mackey, let me bring you in here. if you were defending dzhokhar
tsarnaev, what kind of defense would you be able to mount? is really the only thing that is left given all the photographic and other evidence the idea that he fell under the spell of his older brother, not that i believe that, but that -- is that the only defense that really could be argued at this point? >> yeah. i think jeff's assessment is spot on. if i were his counsel, i would be thinking first and foremost how to avoid the death penalty. and i would be mounting the evidence that i could present first to the attorney general and perhaps in the process to the jury in massachusetts. i think this is more about what the ultimate punishment might be as opposed to, you know, getting an acquittal. >> jeff toobin, i know you say indefensible. how would you defend -- >> jeff, go ahead, continue your
thoughts. >> i was just going to say, if i was the defense attorney, there would be one word that would dominate my thoughts, every day, and that is delay. delay, delay, delay. everybody is completely fixated on this case. the country, massachusetts, boston is completely horrified. time is the ally of the defense. we were all outraged and horrified as well we should have been by the murders in tucson by jared lee loughner, including the shooting of gabrielle giffords. that ended in a plea bargain. jared lee loughner pleaded guilty to a crime that carried life in prison rather than the death penalty. time helps the defense and the defense is going to want to kick this can down the road as long as humanly possible. >> all right, jeffrey toobin, sunny hostin and larry mackey, thank you so much. up next, we'll talk to our correspondent, brian todd who
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welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin live in boston. jake tapper now stepping away preparing for his show "the lead" which starts at the top of the hour. i want to let you know we're learning new details about the older of these two brothers, tamerlan tsarnaev, from a cambridge, massachusetts, mosque, just over the charles river from where we are here, where tamerlan tsarnaev often came to pray. so back in january, the older tsarnaev disrupted services at islamic society of boston mosque, this is according to a board member that brian todd talked to when he visited the mosque today, and you have new
information just about attending the mosque and this outburst that we keep reading about. tell me about that. >> some more specific details about that. this happened on january 18th, around the time of the martin luther king holiday, a sermon was going on according to the board member. he said that a leader of the mosque was giving a sermon at the time, extolling the virtues of martin luther king and the prophet muhammad saying people who attended the mosque should do more to follow those two and adhere to their virtues. apparently that did not sit too well with tamerlan tsarnaev. this board member said he compiled some information from people who were in the mosque at the time, and here is what he said they told him about how they described that outburst. >> some people said that he said something to the effect you cannot, you know, compare or make a parallel between our prophet and a non-muslim. some people said that he referred to the person who was giving the sermon as a
hypocrite. >> and he said after that, people kind of sat him down and explained to him this was a violation of the etiquette of the mosque, that you shouldn't be doing that. he said this really almost never happens during a sermon. during a sermon, he says you're never even supposed to speak. at the time, he got up and had this outburst, said this guy was a hypocrite who was giving the sermon, said don't compare martin luther king to a non-muslim, shouldn't do that, outraged by it, they calmed him down, explained to him that was wrong, he left, but he did come back for friday prayers after that. >> so you have this behavior, this is january. were there any other examples or points in time where people who said there were red flags, this older brother was becoming too radicalized, anything like that? >> that's a key question. we asked this board member about that, and he said they had no indication. another official said that, they had no indication he was becoming more radicalized and
another official told us, if the fbi people who are checking into this now had no indication, we couldn't have any indication. so they really just are saying that there were no red flags as far as they were concerned. >> so many people over the last week or so, so many people thinking, i wish they had known, wish they had seen signs, they would have done something, said something, to stop what happened a week ago today. brian todd, thank you very much with that last bit of information from the mosque in cambridge. you're watching special coverage here. it has been one week from the day, from those two explosions on boylston street here in boston. while we have our eye on what is happening here today, we want to take you coming up next to canada, to this breaking story on this canadian terror plot. that's next. s this new score planner tool with these cool sliders. what's this one do? i dunno. ♪every rose has it's thorn score planner is free to everyone. free score applies with enrollment in freecreditscore.com bret michaels slider still in beta.
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we should learn a little bit more as we learn from the officials in a couple of minutes. and just to be crystal clear, this disrupted terror attack is not at all connected to what happened here in boston, one week ago today. so we're watching out for that. but back here in boston, cassie taylor, this young 22-year-old here who was running the marathon last week, and a couple of friends, because they couldn't finish the marathon last monday, they have been out running. here they go through the streets of boston. they have just finished their run and ashleigh banfield is live with this group of runners. i love this story. i love the idea that they had to finish. >> i know. listen, brooke, boston strong. that's all we keep hearing, boston strong. this is embodiment of boston strong. congratulations. >> thank you. >> you finished that last .7.
>> it feels good to be in this area and pay tribute to those affected by this and know that we're doing our little part here. >> and you're wearing your jacket. you have your sign that your mom and your aunt brought to the original marathon. >> they were holding this at the finish line. >> so new friends. over social media, put this note out and you came up with a small but powerful group of -- you just met these two. >> i did, yes. i was out running, heard one of the girls say, join us in a run in memorial, i said, sure. i joined them and last week, a day like this and what had happ happened, still mourning for them, but good to remember them and this run and what boston is all about. >> and the rest of these runners also, brooke, joining in solidarity with you two. if we can, i want to point down to where they would have crossed. we're basically coming in, brooke, on the opposite way. they would have run down toward your view right now, but you can see that entire area is blocked off. but the finish line is a few blocks from here. they circumvented it,
finished .7 and they did it and they did it strong. just like everyone has been calling boston strong. so congratulations to all of you. should be very proud. i'm going to send it back to you with this endaerg earing image, is what it means. this city was hurt, but not taken down. >> i love it. tell them we all say congratulations, ashleigh banfield. i have my boston strong hat, all the proceeds from the hat going to the one fund. we'll check in on the news conference in ottawa, canada, about this disrupted terror plot, breaking news next. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills our work with rewarding possibility. aarp connects you to a community of experienced workers and has tools to help you find what you're good at. an ally for real possibilities. aarp. go to aarp.org/possibilities.
all right, more breaking news here. not here where i stand, of course, in boston, but in canada, where there has now been a disrupted terror plot. we're listening in to a news conference under way now in toronto. first i want to go to our correspondent in ottawa, paula newton, paula, just if you can, for us, and all of our viewers, reset what has happened and what you know.
>> canadian police tell us they have made a few arrests regarding an alleged plot to derail trains, whether it is one train or more, we're about to find out. i want to repeat, brooke, this has no connection to boston whatsoever. that these suspects were under surveillance for quite some time and for whatever reason canadian authorities decided to make the arrest earlier today. there were arrests in at least two canadian cities now, brooke, as well. they received extensive intelligence and help from the fbi and from homeland security in the united states. i still have no confirmation on whether or not this derailment would have involved the train crossing the border between canada and the united states, but we're about to learn of that now and, again, just to underscore this was no connection to the boston marathon bombings. brooke? >> okay, paula. do me a favor and stand by. let me know in my ear if this thing has begun. we have tom fuentes and fran townsend both joining us, cnn
national security analysts and tom used to be the fbi former assistant director. tom, first to you and then fran, same question, what do you make of this? >> well, this is, you know, not uncommon. back in 2006, the canadians uncovered a plot later referred to as the toronto 18, and it was a collaborative investigation in canada between their intelligence service and the royal canadian mounted police and the fbi and at the time i was still running international operations at the fbi. we provided assistance to them, phone record checks and people traveling around, you know, with connections to the u.s., to make sure there was no related u.s. plot, which there was not. so this sounds very similar to that. at least with that regard. this is also that case was one i referred to where the individual who was the mastermind took one course in mechanical engineering and figured out on his own how to make a bomb, and, you know, and detonate it remotely by
telephone. sodevices can be done, if a person has training, education, and aptitude to do it. >> again, let me etal size, underscore, bold, what we're watching for and waiting for, this has zero to do with boston. fran townsend, your thoughts. >> well, you know, we know that there has been a history of al qaeda -- of al qaeda-related transportation targetings. madrid bombings, london 77 and the disrupted subway bombing plot here in new york city. so we know that al qaeda, at least, has got a history of targeting trains and other transportation modes. we don't know yet from canadian officials who this group was, but it will be very interesting to find out more from the press conference. >> tom, in terms of potential al qaeda ties and we don't know,
something that fran just brought up, canada, are there cells in canada? >> yes. there have been cells in canada. we know the millennium plot, you know, 13 years ago, the person came from canada, on his way to los angeles to do disruptions. there have been other cells identified in various canadian cities which the canadians have disrupted. and they have been very effective. i would like to add the rcmp has a tremendous outreach program in their muslim communities. all the plots they had up there have been disrupted by people in the community, cooperating, and contacting the authorities there when someone is going around trying to recruit additional people to be part of the plan. >> fran, we're, again, waiting to hear the details of this. so fluid and nebulous at this point in time, all we're really hearing is this is an alleged plot it derail trains, to paula
newton's point. we don't know if this is derail trains inju s entering the unit states or not. as we await the news conference what kind of questions would you have for these authoritys? what will you be listening for? >> you know, brooke, i work -- the case that tom just mentioned, the millennium bombing case, i had worked. and we had a very close relationship, u.s. officials with our canadian counterparts, the rcmp -- >> forgive me, i need to interrupt you. it is beginning. let's listen. >> i will be your moderator today. [ speaking in french ] before we start, i would ask that you please turn off or put on silent mode your cell phones.
today's press conference will last approximately 30 minutes. the rcmp will be making statements on a national security criminal investigation coordinated by rcmp led integrated national security enforcement teams in montreal and toronto. the statements will be followed by a short question period. [ speaking in french ] you were provided with press kits. these include further details on the charges of the criminal investigation, photos, as well
as information on our various initiatives related to national security. [ speaking in french ] before we begin, i would like to highlight a number of our partners here today from the law enforcement intelligence and private sectors who brought their collaboration and support to this investigation. these include police, vri and our original and provincial police services, their respective spokespersons will be available for interviews after the press conference. also present today commissioner steven white, the commanding officer of the rcmp in ontario. [ speaking in french ]
i will now introduce our spokesperson starting from the left. the criminal operations officer for the rcmp in quebec chief superintendent guy -- the officer in charge of the rcmp federal policing operations commissioner james malisia. the criminal operations officer for the rcmp in ontario, chief jennifer stricken. commissioner james malasia will
open with a brief statement. he will read the statement in english, followed by the identical statement in french. [ speaking in french ] >> good afternoon. and thank you, all, for being here. on april 22nd, after an extensive and complex criminal investigation, named froproject smooth, the rcmp arrested and charged two individuals for terrorism-relate offenses under various sections of the criminal code. the rcmp is alleging that they were conspireing to carry out an al qaeda-supported attack against a passenger train. had this plot been carried out, it would have resulted in innocent people being killed or seriously injured.
at all times during the investigation initiated in august 2012 our primary focus was the safety and protection of the public. i want to reassure our citizens that while the rcmp believed the accused had the capacity and intent to carry out these criminal acts, there was no imminent threat to the general public, rail employees, train passengers, or infrastructure. the rcmp led integrated national security enforcement teams with the close collaboration of the fbi successfully interdicted this threat early and effectively. this is a testament to the strength our relationships with canadian and american law enforcement and to the ability of canadian government agencies to work together in furtherance of canada's counterterrorism strategy.
today's charges represent the most recent example of the tremendously successful effort and commitment of our national security teams. and i would like to take this opportunity to thank them for their outstanding dedication. in recent years, our collaborative approach has led to arrests and several convictions including in ottawa, in quebec and the 11 individuals in project osage in toronto. these successful arrests and convictions demonstrate the expertise and the effectiveness of our integrated teams. we could not have successfully completed this investigation without the collaboration of our partners at the local, national and international levels. on behalf of the rcmp, i express our appreciation for their tremendous support. i am pleased that some of these partners have been able to join
us today. even with these successes, it is very important that canadians remain vigilant. protenting canada's national security requires the awareness and active engagement of all of our citizens. a meaningful response to these threats begins on canadian streets and in canadian homes, and the rcmp works with other partners including communities across canada in the fight against terrorism. the public is always encouraged to bring any suspicious activities to the rcmp's attention through our national security information network at 1-800-420-5805. or by contacting the police in their community. each and every terrorist arrest integrated national security enforcement teams make sends a message and illustrates our strong resolve to root out
terrorist threats and keep canadians and our allies safe. criminals should note -- >> you've been listening to the toronto news conference where the key phrase we just heard there as we have been learning about that this warted terror attack in the ottawa area, we have now learned from this official that there were two individuals who are now in custody, who wanted to carry out al qaeda-supported attacks on passenger trains and not only that, that this official saying that they had the capacity and the intent to carry out those attacks. great work from the royal canadian mounted police and the fbi, it was stopped before anyone was killed or injured. fran townsend, and tom fuentes, you both, as we were talking earlier, and awaiting this news conference, mentioned possible ties to al qaeda. and now we're hearing that that is precisely what this was. tom, great work from police and
fbi once again. >> i think, yes, but sounds like it was rcmp, you know, really leading this. it is their country, and probably the source came from them. we don't know that. but, yes, but any major investigation in canada or for that matter in many parts of the u.s. are going to involve cross border cooperation, which is very intense, actually, and very important. the fbi has offices in ottawa, vancouver, and toronto. and work very closely through those offices to coordinate leads back for investigation by the fbi, in the u.s., or by the department of homeland security as well, concerning possible travel back and forth across our borders by subjects or acquaintances of the subjects. so the level of cooperation is, you know, is really, really outstanding. >> and, fran townsend, we pulled
away from you, you were talking about -- we were talking about these attacks, specifically targeting passenger trains. want to finish that thought? >> sure, i mean, there is just al qaeda has a long history, some successful, some not, everyone will remember the 77 london train bombings, the madrid train bombings and then there was a disrupted subway plot here in new york city. this is -- al qaeda tends to come back again and again to targets they're comfortable with. and this is an instance where working together with the royal canadian mounted police, the fbi could give them the benefit of our experience over many years, targeting al qaeda, and perhaps more specifically as against these individuals. >> fran and tom, thank you so much. i want to bring in paul crookshank, we have spoken so many different times on these different plots, disrupted and not. when you hear about this, it would have targeted passenger trains and, again, we don't know
if these were specifically trains that would have originated in canada, and come into the united states, specifically targeting potentially american passengers. we don't know. when you start to hear the details of this al qaeda plot, supported by al qaeda, what is your first thought? >> well, you go to say, al qaeda has a track record with this, and to add to the examples, we saw back in 2008 an american al qaeda recruit, he discussed a plan for al qaeda to bomb the long island railroad coming into new york. and, again, in 2011, when they discovered all the documents in bin laden's compound, he had a specific idea to derail a train in the united states. al qaeda has wanted to hit railway lines in the united states for some time. now, we're hearing this is an al qaeda sponsored plot. the question has to be did these men receive training perhaps in the tribal areas of pakistan, we have seen many plots directed against the west, where that has
happened before. >> it is a great point. i want to go straight to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. it is a great question. what does al qaeda-sponsored or their phraseology, al qaeda-supported attack on these passenger trains, what does that mean in this case? do we know? >> well, i couldn't agree with paul more, brooke. i think that is the absolute key question right now. when canadian intelligence services get up there and say there was an al qaeda-supported attack plot, what is going on here? we don't know the answer. is it some kind of al qaeda element that did get training in the al qaeda heartland, the traditional heartland of pakistan and the afghan border, or is this some type of plot that perhaps had originated somewhere else? we know that al qaeda affiliate organizations, if you will, are really gaining strength in syria, in iraq, across north
africa. you'll remember an al qaeda north african affiliate, sponsored inspired organization, whatever you want to call it, carried that out that attack against the algerian gas plant a few months back. these affiliates, brooke, are a growing threat -- >> let me interrupt you. let me interrupt you. we want to go back to the news conference there in toronto. >> -- enforcement teams, also executed search warrants at various locations in toronto and montreal. arrested today were rahid yasser, 35 of toronto. they're in custody and will appear at old city hall courthouse tomorrow for bail hearings. as stated, our investigation and the evidence found indicated that the accused were conspireing to carry out a terrorist attack against a passenger train in the greater
toronto area. briefly the charges include conspireing to interfere with transportation facilities, and murdering persons for the benefit of a terrorist group. we are alleging that the two individuals took steps and conducted activities to initiate a terrorist attack. they watched trains and railways in the greater toronto area, these arrests are the conclusion of a very complex and lengthy investigation which involved multijurisdictional and multiagency cooperation. we have formed solid partnerships with police services and government agencies at home and around the world, devoted to fighting terrorism. the importance of greater integration of resources and intelligence has been heightened by the reality of terrorism for many countries and that includes canada. i would like to personally thank our partners and agencies who assisted greatly in stopping
this terrorist threat. they are toronto police service, york regional police, peal regional police, durham regional police, the canadian border services agency and the prove l ontario proconvince visual police. >> we're going to pull away. let me bring back paul crook shank and tom fuentes. paul, what i just heard there, two things. first we heard the ages of these two suspects who are now facing charges here, 35-year-old and 30-year-old. the fact that they were specifically targeting these trains in toronto and that they were watching the trains, they were watching the railways there as they were plotting, paul crookshank, your thoughts. >> well, it ae's not clear whet they wanted to put bombs inside trains or bombs on the tracks themselves. but before al qaeda hitting mass transit has been out of our
playbook. they've calculated that you can have a huge economic impact by hitting mass transit. you can instill fear in the population that way. so in the training camps in pakistan, they've been telling western recruits, that's what you want you to hit, brooke. >> reporter: and, tom, to you. as a former assistant director of the fbi -- and i know there are so many plots and plans that are disrupted by authorities that we the media and those who follow what's going on never, ever know about -- take me behind the scene chz how agents and the lead here, the royal canadian mounted police, would have heard about something like this and how they would have disrupted it. >> well, probably they heard about it from somebody in the community coming forward to them and saying that they had become aware of the individuals involved or maybe the leader involved in trying to form this plot. that's one way. it could have been from -- a lead from foreign intelligence.
it could have been a lead from u.s. authorities like the fbi having information. it could have been through another investigation where they had wiretaps in place and overheard confusiversations. there's a wide variety of methods and they may not want to disclose exactly how they were able to identify this group and work on this case. >> tom fuentes, paul crukshank and paula, we appreciate all of you. if you're just now joining us, breaking news at this hour. two people have been apprehended, are now in custody, we've learned. these were ald will al qaeda-su attacks they were targeting passenger trains specifically in toronto. they had been watching the trains, watching the railways. we don't know how they were planning on pulling this off. the good news is that they didn't and they are now in custody. much more on this news after this quick break. çtoooowl c
this is boylston street, and this is still as far as we can get to where those explosions went off one week ago today. the finish line is just down that direction where those trucks are. we're seeing some activity right now, the beginnings of eventually opening this area back up. some of the barricades being removed but still boylston street right here shut down.
we've moved just a couple feet away from boylston street, and this is the memorial. it has been growing really ever since we've been here last week. you can see scores of flowers and ba lolloons, three crosses the three young victims from monday's explosions. letters written in different languages and running shoes. the message here, as it says on the shine, "we are not just strong, we are boston strong." looking at the memorial, you're crying. why is this so emotional for you personally? >> i'm just imagining what everybody felt who was down here, what everybody's feeling, you know the people who are trying to heal from this. i'm actually feeling pretty ak angry also. >> what does "boston strong" mean to you? >> nothing's going to beat us. >> hey, kellen, can you tell me,
what is this jacket? >> a fire truck jacket. >> a firefighter jacket? do you want to be a firefighter? yeah? >> yeah. >> i've had a hard time this week looking him in the eyes just knowing everything that's going on. they have no idea and they're very innocent. he was so happy to ride the train just now. it's just an exciting day for him, but i was trying to explain why there's so many teddy bears and stuff there right now. i just thought, you know -- i don't know. it's just sad, and i needed him with me. >> when you look at all of this, the crosses, the flowers, the flags, the teddy bears, what do you think? >> it's just very sad and just to hold your loved ones close. and i feel awful for the people who were hurt and the families, what they're going through. but us together, pulling together as a nation -- i'm not
from boston, but i'm from north dakota. we're pulling together as a nation and we're going to get through it. >> and just steps away from the memorial, something we definitely didn't see last week, traffic. people here in boston one week out now from monday's explosion are heading back to work. and, you know, you walk all around town, you see signs from "boston strong," but it's not exactly the same. not yet. but, again, boston strong, that feeling pervasive through the city here one week after the tragedy struck. people will heal. people are beginning to move on. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me live in boston. back here live jack tapper "the lead "with jake tapper starts right after this quick break. no] engine light on? come to meineke now for a free code scan read and you'll say...my money. my choice. my meineke.
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