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all right, welcome back to the top of the hour, everybody. i'm chris cuomo live in boston as part of cnn's continuing coverage, special look into the investigation of the boston terror attack. first, we have some news developing out of wall street. stocks plunging for a moment, radically, but then quickly recovering. why? because of a tweet. i'll let this reporter explain it. take a listen. >> i have no announcement so i will take your questions. julie? >> i want to say at the top it appears as though ap twitter account has been hacked, so anything that was just sent out about -- is false. >> good, i thank you for that. i appreciate that. i can say the president is fine. i was just with him.
>> a rare episode of a reporter supplying the answers at a white house press conference. let's go to alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. alison, help us make sense of this. >> well, you know how wall street often corrects moves on headlines, well, wall street certainly moved on fake headlines as well. when that tweet hit, it certainly -- i heard people talking about it on the floor, you know, saying there were these two explosions at the white house, that president obama was hurt, immediately this happened a little after 1:00. i don't know if you can see this, we printed out this chart, you can see what happened here, just around 1:15 when the tweet went out, the market fell, the market fell over 100 points, 133 points to be exact. dipped into the negative. that happened within seconds. within seconds that drop happened. and then ap sent out another tweet saying that they were hacked, and then you saw the market immediately shoot back up. it was a total 180, the market went from negative all the way to positive, over 100 points
again within minutes. very dramatic whiplash kind of move. shows you in the age of computerized trading how wall street can react to a tweet that is read around the web. >> boy, oh, boy, alison, such a look at how in the digital age everything moves so quickly. you have to be right about your information. thank you for telling us that. appreciate it. back to boston now, where a short time ago doctors upgraded the surviving suspect's condition from serious to fair. now, it is not easy for the suspect to communicate. he has a wound to his neck, somewhat unclear why, but certainly speaking is very difficult. but communicating is, well, that's what you'll want to hear, that, you know, he's saying the suspect that he and his brother acted alone, okay. the key component to this investigation because the concern is that it was coordinated, who did they learn from, is there someone still out there, the 19-year-old is quoted as telling investigators his brother was the mastermind. and the pair had no
international ties to terror groups. they were self-radicalized jihadists. and the motivation for the bombing was simply to defend islam. that is according to a government source who cautions that the bomb suspects' claims need to be checked out, obviously. we're also just learning that the older brother bought two reloadable mortar kits and shells back in february, these revelations as boston, a city paralyzed by their alleged acts, makes a symbolic step in its recovery just this hour. after a cleanup by hazmat crews, a block of boylston street, that's where the bomb site was, it is reopening to merchants and the people who live here. here is a map. take a look. this is the affected area, a block from where we are right now, in the heart of boston. the final one will be opening in about an hour. now, when it comes to the investigation, critics are noting that the bungles the
bombing suspects apparently made, those are mistakes that are very curious to investigators. still, the brothers, if guilty, showed some technical skill in making the bombs that experts full actually find impressive. some find it unbelievable that the brothers may have had no outside help. and as their skill is being questioned, the head of homeland security is getting grilled over what she should have known what the government should have known, and followed up on. today, senators were asking secretary janet napolitano about the older brother's trip to russia in 2012 because it appears intelligence agencies were aware he had left the country, but they didn't know that he had returned to the united states. take a listen. >> you said, i think to senator grassley, that the older brother, the suspect who was killed, when he left to go back to russia in 2012, the system picked up his departure, but did not pick up him coming back.
is that correct? >> that's my understanding. i can give you the detail in a classified setting, but i think the salient fact there, senator, is that the fbi text alert on him at that point was more than a year old and had expired. >> it is interesting that the secretary says the salient fact is that the investigation had already been closed into him, by the time he came back. well, salient, also troubling. let's bring in former cia operative and cnn analyst bob baer. help us make some sense of this. the concern is that there was a slip, right? that this was someone you should have had eyes on, and you didn't. what does it mean to you? >> i think, you know, when i first looked at this, i didn't think it was an intelligence failure. i now do think it is -- there should have been, you know, an algorithm running through the databases. the first warning from the russians in 2011, his departure
going to dagestan, like going to the tribal areas of pakistan, it is a red flag, his coming back, and, of course, the purchase of weapons, a cell phone call, that should have all been integrated into what is called big data. and the fbi should have been back on him and i think the fbi needs to explain why it wasn't. >> very important here. we have been very hot on this. and not because you want to blame. it is about safety, right? the concern is that you don't avoid the hard questions and looking at yourselves as coordinated agencies, just to cover yourself, because then you don't learn -- then you don't fix, right? isn't that a legitimate concern here? >> absolutely. but, chris, this has gone on since, you know, 2001, we should have corrected this by now. this guy slipped through. it is a failure. we need explanation. we spent billions upon billions
of dollars trying to fix this. and we haven't. this guy was clearly should have been targeted, been looked at, he shouldn't have gotten a pra status. we haven't been looking into people seeking asylum. al qaeda is using the process to get in, inside the system, and, you know, somebody should be held accountable. >> well, also, bob, let's just walk through for half a second, okay? there is some reporting out there, well, they don't believe whoever they is that there are any international connections. and the suspect in custody is saying it was just us, who cares what he says, right, he's got no credibility on the issue. the father says, well, when my older son came, i know he didn't see anybody, i was with him the whole time and he was sleeping until 3:00 every afternoon. but, again, he is the father, and if you look at it from where there is smoke, there is fire analysis, the russianes say we're concerned about him, enough that we're coming to you, united states, check him out because he's living where you
are. he goes for an extended period to russia, in the same region where he is. there is terrorist activity going on. there is a known radicalizer who is there. when he come backs from russia, he puts a video of abu dujan on youtube. to connect the dots as an unsophisticated untrained eye in this regard, doesn't that seem like something that is suspicious? >> chris, it is. i spent a couple of years in prisons interviewing suicide bombers and their networks. and i've yet to see one of them, one of these -- these are hundreds of them that actually came out and told the full truth about who they were and what they did. it just didn't happen. and, number two, let's go back to the explosives. i could take my neighbors and say, listen, guys, get on internet, download this stuff about making detonators and bombs, go out and try it, and i can guarantee you that half of them would come back without their hands. it is just -- you go to the explosive courses, make these things, and the instructors
always tell you don't do this at home. they either got extraordinary lucky, i don't discount that, or perhaps, and this is a likely hypothesis, the brother got some kind of field training in dagestan. i think that's the more likely explanation and i'll wait until i hear from the fbi until they put all the leads together, and come with -- come forward with the evidence before i really, you know, can figure out what happened in boston. >> absolutely. that's the interest of all of us to look into this. we want to get better after it and make sure the system is tighter so we deal with fewer of these and also we have contrary facts. when you look at the aftermath and the post actions of these brothers, it is confounding and kind of really contradicts the idea there was a coordinated effort, because even there is so many holes in what know, it seems odd their failure to have a getaway plan, the randomness
of violence, there is enough to cut against their idea of sophistication that we need to know more before we understand exactly who helped them do this, if anybody, you know? >> well, chris, we can't exclude the possibility they wanted a confrontation with the police, they wanted to go out in a blaze of fire and didn't care whether they were seen, they were going to maybe go on to second or third attacks and they just didn't care. the fact that there is early reports that say the elder brother had a suicide vest or explosives on him, that he could have used. i mean, clearly, when they were throwing explosives out of the car, they wanted to slow down the pursuit, so they could get ready to confront the police. we simply don't know what their plan was. >> right. well, look, hopefully we learn, certainly we know we have an all-out effort here of investigators, 30 different agencies, bob, thank you very much for the perspective. we'll come back to you when we know more about the situation. thank you. >> thank you. more news for you right here. brand-new developments on the alleged plot to attack the canadian passenger train heading
from the united states. one of two men accused of planning to carry out the attack has been denied bail. canadian police arrested the men yesterday and say they had support from al qaeda in iran. that's very unusual. why? well, iran denies allegations that al qaeda is operating inside of its borders, it always does. you have iran, which is largely a shiite majority, al qaeda usually sunni led thing and that division is usually the explanation for why al qaeda wouldn't take any kind of route in iran, but let's get some better perspective on this with new facts. gloria borger joins me from washington. gloria, you just received new details from a u.s. intelligence source. what are they? >> from a few officials, one with law enforcement, couple with intelligence, and what we do know is that, of course, this is good news, right? they actually thwarted this plot. we know that it targeted a train route between the united states and canada. one law enforcement official pointed me towards a line that
runs between new york city and toronto. it runs actually from buffalo, new york. i'm told that the plan was to detonate explosives in canada. and derail -- and derail the train. and my law enforcement source said there had been some reports that they wanted to wage a spectacular attack, blow up a bridge. he said no. he said what they were doing was to target the train on the tressels, and actually what they wanted to do was derail the train and cause maximum injury to the people on it. >> so two quick follow-ups with you, gloria. first, whether we look at u.s. response here of what happened in boston, canada, an example of it working well, right? coordinated investigation, caught the plot early, and they have been watching it for over a year, haddize izeyes on the si, right? >> they had eyes on the situational they had informants in the community that they believed would be lucrative for them, and that certainly worked
out. i think they -- it is clear to me that they worked in concert with united states law enforcement and intelligence. and so that this was one that they really -- that they managed to nip in the bud. >> gloria, thank you very much. another point to make going out of this story is that for us to keep our cultural assumptions in tact. in the canadian investigation, islamic community came forward, helped identify the suspects, helped investigators. important to note, important to note. gloria, thank you very much. always a pleasure. always a pleasure. back here in boston, we have more on the suspects' communications with authorities including what he revealed from his hospital bed. those details will be very important. we'll give you them after the break. plus, more on the breaking news involving the ricin-laced letters, this news startling to those following the story that the suspect has just been released. why? the latest when we come back.
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welcome back to boston, we're actually monitoring three breaking stories for you this time, excuse me as i look at my notes. on wall street, after the ap said they had their twitter feed hacked there was a violent drop, a great change in volatility in the stock market. because as we all know, the stock market moves instantaneously on information, whether it is right or wrong sometimes. here the markets got duped but did recover. as you see now, there is no free fall, well in positive territory. but we're watching that. also, another story, the suspect in those letters laced with ricin that were sent to the president, and other officials, the suspect has been released from custody on bond. not free. there is a bond. there is a bail situation. but why? what does it mean about the case? we're monitoring both those things. we're back here in boston getting the latest in boston on the investigation. here is what we're dealing with in terms of the suspect right
now. in the hospital, his condition supposedly improving, now called fair. that's good in terms of his ability to communicate with authorities. yesterday the suspected boston bomber heard the words nearly every criminal from petty thief to murder hears. all documented in the transcript of an initial appearance inside his boston hospital room. here is a portion of what the federal judge said to the 19-year-old defendant. >> you have the right under the constitution of the united states to remain silent. any statement made by you may be used against you in court. and you have the right not to have your own words used against you. the judge goes on to say, finally, if i ask you any questions here in this hearing or at any future hearing, which you think might incriminate you, you have the right not to answer. do you understand everything i've said about your rights to remain silent? the transcript then says defendant nods affirmatively. okay. so what does this mean? how is this suspect being treated? is the best for his rights as an
american citizen, are they the best for the investigation? let's bring in the redoubtable harvard law professor alan dershowitz and cnn legal analyst, one of my favorites, sunny hostin. sunny, thank you to both of you, first of all, great to have you here. i needed you both. i needed you, sunny, i know if i go head to head with the professor, it will be a long day for me. i'm happy to have you here. you're a former federal prosecutor. you look at this initial appearance, is there anything about it that struck you after reading the transcript? >> you know, it strikes me as being sort of the type of hearing that we generally see in federal court for a first appearance where the defendant is read his or her rights, the right to remain silent, the right to counsel. couple of things were a bit interesting in that he had provisionally been appointed by this magistrate judge a federal public defender. so he sort of went in there already, though being advised of his right to counsel, with a lawyer. i thought that was interesting. i thought it also interesting,
chris, that he agreed to voluntary detention. sometimes there after a first appearance there is discussion of bail. there is a bail hearing. well, that didn't take place here. his attorney agreed to voluntarily detain him. i think also what was fascinating to me is that we heard so much about his condition, that he couldn't speak, that he had been heavily sedated. this judge found him alert, mentally competent, and lucid. so those are the things that sort of struck me when i read the hearing transcript. >> all right, that's good because it gives a sense of normalcy to how this is proceeding, removes doubt if this is fair. profes profess professor, let me come over to you, a lot of talk about miranda. but give me a sense of what the leeway is especially in situations like this, after acts like what happened here at the marathon. >> well, it is yesterday's news. he's been given his miranda
warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist prosecution. they don't have to prove intent to terrorize, intent to intimidate. they can prove their case just through the videotapes. now, i predict there are going to be two types of possible defenses in this case. number one, the jihad defense. i did it, i'm proud, i'm happy, please kill me, i want to join my brother in paradise. i'm a martyr. the other, my brother made me do it, i am innocent, look at my face, look at my high school record, i really didn't mean it, don't give me the death penalty. i think from what we have heard now, the jihad defense seems like it is off the table. he is prepared to cooperate.
he apparently is beginning to blame his brother. he probably wants to live, not die. and so we're going to see a kind of not a defense on the merits, but please don't execute me. and then, of course, the defense lawyers have to make a hard decision. should the trial be in boston where everybody is a victim, or should it be moved to springfield, which might have a fairer jury, but the jury pool might be more inclined to give the death penalty. a hard judgment call that any defense lawyer has to make in a case like this. >> all right. here is the big topic of conversation i want you two to take up on, potentially from opposite sides. the idea of how you treat a suspect in this situation, that, yes, he's a citizen, but after what was done, and the risk of exposure, the risk of coordinated efforts, that you would do whatever you could with a combatant, and treat him that way, even if it involves the most harsh things, what the professor brought up, the idea of torture in a situation like
this, whatever you have to do to get to the truth, start with you, professor, what you to believe is an acceptable set of parameters for how you treat a suspect in these situations? >> let's remember, we have precedent here. we had much, much worse terrorists in this country called the weather men. they were bred at home, they were all american kids, they were wealthy. they were well educated. they made anti-personnel bombs. they planned to kill many, many american soldiers at ft. dix, columbia university students. we treated them with kid gloves, nobody talked about enemy combat, one is teaching at columbia and another at chicago, robert redford is making a movie about them. we have a real, real double standard here. there is no way that these people are going to be treated as enemy combatants. this is going to be an ordinary criminal trial, we're going to try get as much information from them, but the best way to get the information is bargain, to exchange his life, possibly, for the information. by the way, if we don't kill him, we are not creating a
martyr. if we kill him, we create a martyr. his picture will be on recruiting posters. i think everybody wins if this guy exchanges information for life sentence and then is put in an obscure prison where nobody will remember him and he doesn't become a hero to other jihadists. >> so, sunny, just sporespond t the idea, a lot of people when they watch the situations, they say, don't treat him like a regular criminal, he isn't. this was a terrorist action. do the harshest things, that's how you get the truth out of these -- that's how we figure out how to stop the next one. where is the sense in that? >> i understand that, i think that is sort of the gut reaction, post 9/11. because i think we're all looking at terror in a very different way, post 9/11. but the law doesn't provide, in my view, when i look at the facts of this case, to treat this particular person as an enemy combatant. the supreme court has spoken,
that, yes, a u.s. citizen can be considered an enemy combatant and perhaps be held indefinitely, perhaps because the supreme court hasn't addressed that particular issue, but we're talking about domestic terror, someone that was sort of home grown, and i just don't think that indefinite detention would be appropriate here, especially because the parameters, the criteria, chris, are supposed to be that the person would have provided substantial support to al qaeda. or to the taliban or some sort of associated group. there is no indication that that happened here. and so quite frankly, it is sort of a nonstarter because he just doesn't meet the definition of an enemy combatant under our laws, right now. >> all right. professor dershowitz, thank you very much. >> professor dershowitz agrees with me, i love that. >> i agree with you when you're
right. >> sunny, you're very intelligent and great at this. it is me. i have a problem when i interview the professor. that's why i needed you. but just to be fair to the investigation, there is a lot we don't know about whether or not there was a coordinated effort or connection. that's what is being investigated in d.c. thanks to you. we'll be back to you, i'm sure, on the future on this. >> thank you. we'll take a break. when we come back, we have breaking news from memphis. a really stunni inning twist in another legal case. the man charged with sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and other officials has been released from custody. the question is why. we'll take a look when we come back. [ male announcer ] the first look is only the beginning. ♪ ♪ this is a stunning work of technology. ♪ this is the 2013 lexus es and the first-ever es hybrid.
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i'm chris cuomo live in boston. for continuing coverage of the boston terror attack. a lot of breaking news out of memphis. paul kevin curtis has been released from custody. the question is, why? there is going to be a news conference at 6:00 p.m. eastern. you can see it live in the situation room with wolf blitzer. but, first, to crime and justice
correspondent joe johns. he's tracking this case. so, joe, we have been talking about this today, it is unusual in a case like this when you see momentum shift this way. any further information into why he was released or what the conditions are of that release? >> chris, we have gotten a lot of radio silence from the authorities. the justice department in washington so far has no comment. all they're saying, stating the obvious, that the investigation into this curious case is continuing. paul kevin curtis charged with sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and other officials, was released suddenly from custody on tuesday. the united states marshal's office in mississippi is saying that. marshal's office did not know the circumstances of this release. and only that curtis was no longer in federal custody and that this comes after curtis' detention and preliminary hearing was canceled. the testimony had been going on for three days.
a press conference involving federal prosecutors and defendant's lawyers was expected for later sometime today. curtis had originally been charged with threats against president obama, mississippi senator roger wicker, as well as a justice court judge in lee county, mississippi. very serious charges. he could have gotten 15 years, $500,000 in fines. we're still trying to find out what is happening with this case. certainly don't want to speculate. kevin curtis, you'll remember, was a very colorful guy, an elvis impersonator, arrested for allegedly sending ricin-laced letters. and he's been released from federal custody, hoping to know more in a little while, chris. >> help me out with something, joe. what are the chances that the federal marshals wouldn't know the conditions of release of a suspect in a case like this, whether there was bond or on their own recognizance, tether or no tether. >> don't want to speculate, but
it wouldn't surprise me if they did know the conditions of release. however, i found in the past, having dealt with federal marshals many times, a lot of times they don't want to be the people releasing the specific information, the where, what, when and why, the terms of releasing an individual. they leave that up to the lawyer and the justice department, chris. >> good point, joe. big part of being a reporter is understanding how to scrutinize nonanswers and we'll do that here as we get the information. we'll go forward with it. appreciate the latest. thank you very much, joe. we're going to take a break. when we come back, the mother of the boston bombing suspect obviously distraught over what has happened. up next, you'll hear why she believes her sons were framed. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore.
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but have we learned anything to think otherwise or is this still about what happened with the ap's twitter account. tell us about it. >> that's really what that tremendous drop was all about, the fake tweet, because ap, associated press' twitter account was hacked. we had a certainly several minutes of dramatic activity here on wall street. it is amazing how one fake tweet from a reputable news organization can send the markets into a tizzy. this happened about a little over an hour ago. and within seconds suddenly the dow plunged over 130 points, right into the red. and there is a lot of confusion here on the floor. you heard some floor traders talking about this tweet that said that there has been two explosions at the white house, that president obama was hurt. right after that tweet, though, another tweet went out from ap saying that they had been hacked and then in a matter of minutes, you saw the market go right back up to where it was. so it was really a dramatic 180 of the market, of the dow going all the way, dipping below into the red, and then going all the
way back to where it was based on a tweet. it shows you how much headlines, even fake ones, can move market activity here on wall street. chris? >> three things for you to follow up on for me on this. one, i don't know if i may have missed it here because the comes are a little weird here in boston, but do we know what the tweet was and why it scared them so much? two, have you ever seen anything like this before? and, three, is this -- where were those curves in all those things that are supposed to be in place to monitor market activity? >> i can answer the first two for you right now. tweet was from ap saying there had been two explosions at the white house, that president obama was hurt. that is what sent the markets falling. your second question was, sorry? >> have you ever seen anything like this before? >> i have. yes. because i've certainly seen individual market movers, individual companies plunge on certain headlines that hit. various companies have had those
plunges and we have seen those circuit break wreers where if a stock moves 10% or more, you'll see that go into effect and stop trading. don't know why that didn't happen. at this time, that is something that we are looking into. but this has happened in the past where actual individual shares have fallen dramatically based on news headlines and those circuit breakers certainly do go into effect, chris. >> i wonder if they're going to have to start putting in different kind of vetting of what they do with social media and how much weight they give it when they can generate this kind of volatility. >> you know, this is sort of bringing up the conversation, though. i did talk with at least one trader who said that he thinks that the fcc is going to go ahead and look into how this is happening, how this happened because these trades now are done in a matter of nanoseconds. and, you know, so maybe it is not about banning computers, this trader tells me, but it is about protection and securing our markets. this gets into the discussion of how in this day and age of
computerized trading, how this trading does happen within nanoseconds how the curbs can be put in place, chris. >> all right, thank you so much for the reporting and perspective. always a pleasure. appreciate it, alison. we're going to go to the other breaking news story that we're covering. remember the letters sent with a ricin substance into them, a toxin, to the president, to other officials, the big investigation, they said that they had their suspect, well, now, that suspect, kevin curtis, has been released. on the phone, christie mccoy, his counsel. can you hear he? >> i can, chris. >> please, fill us in. what happened. >> well, i'm kind of limited in what i can tell you right now. i can tell you that mr. curtis has been released. he is with his family now. there will be a news conference at 5:00. and we, you know, we'll hopefully be able to give some more details.
at this point, because of some security concerns, and things that are going on here, we simply cannot give any more information than that right now. >> christi, let me push you a little bit on it. was he released on bond or was the case was dropped? >> the case has not been dismissed. i can tell you that. as of right now, the case has not been dismissed. obviously we feel better about it than we did this time yesterday. >> you said security concerns, understandable to look at those concerns from the other side, you know. how confident are you that your client can be out in the general population and not be a risk? >> he is -- he's not out in the general population. first of all, let me say this, i do not think my client is a risk to anyone. i think that there might be a risk to him, just because of the
things that have happened to him in the past few days. we have maintained from the beginning and my client, myself, his family, our defense team, my co-counsel, investigators, that kevin curtis is absolutely 100% innocent. i can tell you right now i have absolutely no doubt that he does not pose a risk to anyone. i don't think -- i understand what you're saying because i know the government was very, very confident that -- at the beginning of this, that they had the right person, but we were just as confident that they did not. >> so, just to be clear, you know, lawyer to lawyer, you're saying he's innocent. you're saying he didn't do this. you're not saying they can't make the case. you're saying he's the wrong guy. >> i am absolutely 100% -- i love that you make that distinction, so many people will talk about someone being proven innocent instead of proven not
guilty. i told someone today that we have -- have the rarest of rare, i have a client who is not only not guilty, he is truly 100% innocent. i stand by that, absolutely, chris, that this man has been -- he's been through sheer hell, and i do believe that the government did what they believed was in everyone -- everyone's best interest, and i don't doubt that for a moment, because of where the evidence pointed at that time. >> there was speculation that one of the reasons they looked at him was because of what may have been in his past, in a similar regard, is there anything to any suggestion like that? >> oh, no. to my knowledge the only thing that i'm aware of that brought him into the focus is that kevin has -- he is an activist and he has a passion for the organ,
tissue donation industry, and what he sees right something wrongs in that. and through his activism he has been very active on social media, and in that he has kind of developed a signature way of how he signs his name. and one of it is -- part of it is i am kc and a prove this message. and the letters that were sent to the president, to senator wicker and to a local judge contained that very phrase. now, furthermore, the letters also contained information relating to missing pieces, and that is the name of a book that mr. curtis has written that details his involvement and his concerns about that particular industry. so, of course, initially everybody, you know who looks at that would think, well, kc,
that's kevin curtis and that's exactly what happened. well, from that point forward then, the searches began and when i tell you they began, they began in earnest. there were countless agencies, officers, agents, at mr. curtis' home, searching his car, searching his former wife's home and searching his computers. and there is just simply nothing to link him to -- to these -- to this crime. >> christi, you think somebody was trying to frame him because the letter -- the language is menacing, right, it was an extraction of a quote that was, you know, if you see a wrong you don't do something about it, you're part of that wrong, and the initials are kc, you think somebody is trying to frame him? >> absolutely i do. and he actually -- that quote is one he has used because it is kind of -- a favorite of whistle-blowers and he kind of felt like he was a whistle-blower back several
years ago about some things that happened, and he has used that quote repeatedly on his own social media. so, you know, i do believe that someone who was familiar and is familiar with kevin just simply took his personal information and did this to him. it is absolutely horrific that someone would do this. but, yes, i believe that's exactly what happened. >> what is so puzzling about this is that the explanation is as simple as the one you're offering, where did prosecutors go so far in the other direction? >> what do you mean in the other direction? >> well, i mean, if it is as simple as someone is being set up, he's clearly innocent, which is the highest bar you can have, why are they -- or were they so confident that they had the right guy? >> you know, that's -- i mean, from everything i've seen it is
literally based on that social media. they just believed that he, which it kind of makes sense to me, is he really -- if he sent poison to the president, is he going to sign his name to it? for me, i thought, this is just too easy, it is too easy, of course it is not him. but kevin does have a documented history of some mental issues. nothing severe, nothing that many, many americans and people, i mean, people suffer from every day. but i think given that, i just think it kind of exploded kind of quickly. i think that -- as i understand it, they identified kevin on last wednesday, and had arrested him by late wednesday afternoon. so, you know, i don't think there was a lot of surveillance going on as far as, you know, who is this guy, what does he
do, that kind of thing. i think, you know, they saw him and -- but, you know, and initially once he was picked up, he had an initial appearance on thursday, the government then wanted to have him sent away for a competency exam and we would not agree to that. and without our agreement, the judge, you know, the judge couldn't do it. wouldn't do it. so we just felt like if we kept pushing, that sooner or later, they would see what we see and what we know, which is that this man did not do this. and, i mean, he -- you know, he's been set up. >> two things, christi. if you believe that he may be suffering under an illness, why wouldn't you want him to take a competency exam? >> well, because at that point it was kind of a timing issue, for a couple of things. one, a competency exam in the northern district of mississippi
is -- my client would be sent away to some facility within the bureau of prisons, generally, i say six weeks, eight weeks, i had a guy who was sent last july and he came home in february. or came back in february. so that is a huge issue for me because at this point i had a client telling me, adamantly, i did not do this. did not happen. so, you know, as we sort of investigated it, we just didn't think it would be in his best interest at that point, basically, to be sent away. now, because he was charged with a criminal complaint as opposed to an indictment, the government would have 30 days to indict him. unless that statute or that was told if he were being examined.
he would have gotten on an airplane and gone somewhere to be evaluated, while the government basically tried to gather evidence against him. and because we believe so strongly early on that he did not do this, we did not think it would be in his best interest to, you know, to be shipped off in that way. >> well, this is very -- this is a very serious situation. because those letters, as tested, unless that information has changed also, had a substance in it that they believed to be ricin, which is a deadly toxin, which means that somebody sent something of that nature and we don't know who it is? >> absolutely. and, you know that was one of the things, chris, after yesterday's hearing that i was -- well, i found out sunday night that all of the searches had turned up negative for anything. not just, you know, ricin, but his computer, just, you know, there was nothing that could
link him to anything. and so i actually questioned the assistant u.s. attorney, are you guys going to move forward. when he said, yes, i said, here's the thing, if you all keep targeting him, without looking elsewhere, to me, it just means that the true perpetrator is less likely to be tried and convicted in the end. but i do believe that -- i don't think that what has happened in the past week will cut that off. i do believe that at this point it is still possible to, you know, for the government to bring the true perpetrator to justice. >> so, christi, tell me, let's take a step and a half backwards, how did you find out they were releasing him after they were so hot and heavy on this? >> well, we were scheduled for a hearing this morning. at 9:00. we had, which was actually -- we started the hearing on friday, we went for several hours, we were continuing until monday, we
went for several hours. we had to stop yesterday for personal reason. for the court. so when we got there, this morning, you know, we basically in meeting with the government, it became obvious that they were ready to make some changes. and so my client, you know, he was released to his family, and charges have not been formally dismissed. >> so charges haven't been formally dismissed, but this has become a very hot situation for your client in that he's gone from being somebody who is very much in the focus of the american government for doing something that could have been very dangerous to our officials, to now you're saying he was never the right guy. so now he is seen as that, that puts him in a little bit of jeopardy, if you're right, and if that's what this all means. >> right. that's -- i mean, that's exactly right. i mean, it is a -- it is a
whirlwind, it is a dangerous situation. again, i will say, again and again, my client is not a danger. he could be in danger. but i think we have got that covered as well. but i -- >> let me ask you this, christi. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. communications delay, not disrespect. >> oh, no, that's fine. >> i'm not hearing you 100% of the time the same way. was he released on his own recognizance or is there bond attached, is there a tether here? >> i will tell you this, there is a bond attached, but all of the conditions of the bond are under seal at this point. and that's you know -- >> because you understand that's -- that's my concern, you know, as a lawyer, is that, well, if he really isn't the guy, they would just release
him, they may not dismiss the case, but they wouldn't be holding him either, there is a little gray area here because if there is bond, well, then, maybe there is more of a feeling there that they have something than he simply is an innocent man. >> right. well, i mean, i can tell you, i absolutely 100% maintain his innocence and i will tell you, i don't know what access you all have to, you know, some of the local media down here, but i just noticed on my laptop that there is a report that at 1:39 p.m. this afternoon that the fbi search team moved in with tupelo and lee county authorities at the a home in tupelo and there are according to this report about ten law enforcement vehicles in the area. >> all right, well, we'll check
on that, christi. thank you for the information. i don't want to -- i don't want to compromise your right to counsel until the information is released later. but i will ask you this, we'll follow up with you on the phone so we can track that down. when more is made public, please, we'll come back to you and i would like to talk to you about this more. >> okay. and this is the best -- this is the best phone to get me on because it is my cell phone. so just give me a call. >> all right. i got you. don't say the number, though, because you're on television. we'll call you back later on, okay. >> i'm sorry. okay. my bad. >> all right. you owe me one. i protected you on that. all right, so, big intriguing turn in that story. this was the main suspect, now we hear he's been released. it is unclear why. there does seem to be bond attached, if it is a condition released. we'll get more information. when we do, we'll track down the reporting that his attorney just gave us, and we'll get back to you after the break with that and the latest from the investigation here in boston.
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health commission. all of them are expected to survive. that's the good news. but four others did lose their lives in the bombing and subsequent search for the bombers. but why did the brothers, the suspects, kill this m.i.t. police officer named sean collier? that has been a mystery that is unsolved now. we're learning more about what happened, but not really why yet. and a source with direct knowledge of the investigation tells cnn that collier didn't alert dispatch that he was responding to two men fitting their description. and he didn't have time to activate his emergency alert before being shot. we do know that collier was shot four to five times in the head and chest as he sat alone in his patrol car. the source also said it took police about 13 minutes to get to the officer after people called 911 about shots fired. so it is a developing situation. but still unclear what exactly happened there. now, in another part of this
story, in massachusetts today, family and friends attended a private funeral for collier. this is about his family's healing during this, which is separate from the curiosity of how it fits into the investigation. a public memorial is scheduled for wednesday on the m.i.t. campus. vice president joe biden and his wife are expected to attend. >> reporter: saluting one of their own, guns down in the midst of boston's nightmare. here, the hearse carries the body of 26-year-old sean collier, an m.i.t. police officer. as it makes its way to his hometown of wilmington, massachusetts, crowds gather as a mark of respect. >> sean is not in that casket. sean will continue to live on and his legacy will continue to live on. >> reporter: fellow officers remember collier as a good man, who dreamed of becoming a peace officer.
>> it wasn't about the pay or the benefits or the retirement. it was about what law enforcement is supposed to be all about and that's to help people. >> reporter: in wilmington, thousands of police officers, friends, neighbors and students from the campus he defended joined in prayer. >> i think sean, you know, that's what he would want. he would want us all to continue to carry on. >> reporter: his mother said to be too crushed was not there. but collier's stepfather was. he asked for prayers, not only for his son, but for those officers who today protect our community. >> every day they go out and try to keep us safe from the people that are determined to do evil in the world. and, you know, we should appreciate all that they do for us. >> reporter: brooke baldwin, cnn, boston.
and right now, i'm chris cuomo here with brooke baldwin live in boston as part of cnn's special coverage of the boston bombing. a very moving piece and what we have been hearing here is that while we saw the worst of what people can do, sean collier, as a victim, represented the best in us. >> brings out the best in tragedies like these. i talked to a 41 year veteran with the boston fire department, i spent my day in cambridge and to hear stories anecdotally about him, how he would help everyone on campus, so badly wanted to be a police officer, was in police training school with another officer who was wounded, stories like these that are coming out and it is so important for every time we mention the suspects, we want to mention the victims 50 times over. >> that's definitely the right intention to have.
still unclear that happened to him that night. >> we want to share the photos with you, new photographs taken from the apartment overlooking the road where the two boston marathon suspects, tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev were engaging in this gunfight with police. we'll scroll through a couple of these pictures. keep your eyes here on the screen. the photos here show the brothers huddling behind a stolen suv at times as we reported through the hours last week, shooting at police, before this older brother tamerlan charges, runs towards these officers here, then he's seen lying in the street. the suv driven by his younger brother who we know is in fair condition at this hour at a hospital here in boston, he's in the car, accelerates toward his older brother, on the ground. >> what is the context for that? do they believe he was trying to escape, do they believe he was trying to maybe separate his brother from the officers or is there anything on this? >> i think his brother was on the ground, his brother was
enga engaging, strapped with explosives and the younger brother from everything i've gleaned wants to get out of there. >> maybe because of the explosives. what does he wind up doing? >> ultimately gets out of there and gets caught in the boat. >> but he takes his brother out with him. he winds up running over his brother and dragging him. >> drags his brother down the road, yep. >> and winds up obviously we know how the story goes from there. and obviously the speculation now is in what situation was the suspect in that boat? is it a gunshot wound or different type, different report, was he armed or not? but at the end of the day, was taken into custody, his condition is improving and that's important and beneficial because it allows the prosecution to go forward. now, different types of communication allowed also, doesn't just have to be verbal. we learned from the -- with the judge in the transcript, he was able to appreciate the nature and consequence of the charges against him. >> a question specifically can you afford a lawyer, public defender and the one word that is so key, in terms of that communication you talk about, that was when we know he said
no. >> now we go to the next phase, okay, now that we know he's appreciative of the circumstances and able to communicate, what is he saying? and that gets troubling too. he says we acted alone. why is it troubling? because we don't know whether or not we can trust it and it is a big thing who else could still be out there. he says that it was him and his brother, that his brother was a mastermind of the situation, that they had learned things on the internet, and that the motive was to defend his -- >> can we buy that and can investigators buy that? i was listening to your interview with bob baer, given that they were three for three with the pressure cooker bombs and none of them lost their hands, that's a surprise, if in fact they learned how to build the things online. >> he makes an interesting distinction. people say, why do you say it is on the internet, first of all, people who want to do these things know it is on the internet. just because you can see it on
the internet doesn't mean you'll be able to do it well yourself. as brooke said, we're showing you right now photos from the night of the shootout that are helping tell the story. >> we'll get more answers into the investigation. as we have crews out here flanking boston, cnn has just learned that this older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev, actually bought two mortar kits just a couple of months ago. >> that's right. brian todd has been digging on this. for more, brian, tell us what you know, please, could the explosives from these kits, the question is, could they have been enough to do the kind of situation -- >> the early indications, is that they were not enough to set off the explosions. what we do know from a man named william reimer is tamerlan tsarnaev bought two reloadable mortar kits with 48 shells from the store in seabrook, new hampshire, an hour north of here, on february 6th. law enforcement officials tell us that is not enough to set off the kind of explosions that we saw in the boston marathon.
it is worth noting that they -- authorities seized from dzhokhar tsarnaev's dorm some kind of large pyrotechnic. were these part of that, we don't know. to you and i, 48 shells seems like something that would do some damage, but according to law enforcement officials, not enough damage to coincide with what we saw. >> interesting. i remember being on the air for cnn for the bombing in 2010, and they found it was the fireworks that were in the very similar pressure cooker for that particular incidence, but these are not exactly similar. second question is, you have been really talking a lot of people in cambridge, and specifically this mosque in cambridge, trying to figure out were there warning signs, did anyone see red flags that this older brother tamerlan was becoming radicalized and so far they're telling you no. >> we were there at this mosque, the islamic society of boston mosque in cambridge, pressing them on it. he had two outbursts at the mosque. one in november, one in january, where he basically rattled on
about their interpretation of islam was different from his, that their take on it was just not as pure as maybe he would like, to put it generally. they say, look, flat out, if he was radicalized, it didn't happen here. we saw no signs of it. >> when he had the outburst, brooke, they tried to talk him back. >> exactly. not the etiquette of -- not what we believe. >> they laid down the law to him. >> said don't come back. >> they said, if you do this again, you're out. he kept coming back. when he came back for friday prayers, he was quiet after that. his ur we're piecing some of the details together, when, how it happened, and where it happened. still a little bit elusive right now. >> this is why there is so much curiosity about the trip back to russia, the other activity going on of a radical nature and then the timing of him coming back and posting online of the same
person who was radicalizing in that area, sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire, right? >> that's true. we don't know what happened in dagestan and russia when he went back there for six months, a long period of time. he may have gone to chechnya for a short time during that window, and, again, but we're not sure if the radicalization happened there. the uncle says he thinks it happened in cambridge. we're investigating. >> and what matters is the asking. in these situations, that we learn in the past, fazad was a great example of it in 2010, where you get worried about asking the questions because they may show vulnerability of accountability. you didn't do the right thing. you don't want to ask. but in situations like that, we have to press, because they have to -- >> you have to ask. >> that's how we get better going forward. >> right. we're piecing together those details now, hope to have more later. >> thank you, brian todd. excellent reporting here. >> final stretch of boylston street behind us, this is where everything happened. >> huge news today, yeah. >> big deal, big deal. boston strong, everyone says it, and they're living it here. it is reopening. it is the latest step in boston trying to get back to normal, small stretch of the street were
opening in increments today allowing business owners to get back in the area for the first time since last week's bombings. ♪ wanted to play you a little bit of the ceremony to get a sense of the solemnity of the occasion, how important it is. the fbi, which had closed the area, as part of the investigation, returned it to the city late yesterday in this ceremony. jason carol was on boylston street. it is not business as usual, just yet, but we're getting there, right? >> it is a step. it is a step in the right direction, chris. obviously for the people here in this area, business owners, residents who live along boylston street as well, basically what is happening today if you go around the corner from where we are now, that's the convention center, that's where business owners and residents have started checking in. they got their names on the
list, making sure everything was all right before they were then escorted back into their businesses or residences. it started at 10:00 a.m. this morning. it has been done in staggered steps. one block per hour. the first block was at 10:00 a.m. the last block, which is just happening at this hour, 3:00, is the block, fairfield and exeter. and obviously we have been talking to a lot of people throughout the day, chris and brooke, you know, talking to residents, business owners, and you get different impressions from them. business owners, a lot of them feeling as though this is finally the time for them to take the steps getting back to some sense of normalcy. but also there is a lot of emotion involved as well. want you to listen to some of the folks we spoke to earlier today. >> a step in the right direction. every day goes by, we're not sure what is going on. but today we can go in to clean up and do what we need to do to get ready. >> for us, and our business it
really about how do we get back to boston, how do we ban together, how do we help those that were seriously injured that are going to have life long struggles. >> a tough time. i had a son -- i had a son that works with me that goes to school and we had walked outside two seconds before the bomb and he said, dad, can we go. i looked at the crowd of people there, i said, okay, so i just feel very lucky and just very emotional. >> a lot of emotion there. it is happening one block at a time. the big question for the city at large is when will the public be allowed back inside their homes and back along here in the businesses when everyone can come back in and enjoy the area. the mayor's office says no timeline on that, not just yet. brooke, chris? >> so many people ready for that
street to be open. so many restaurants and stores and people just want to get back in there on boylston. jason carol, thank you so much. and as you were mentioning, you know, we're talking with cnn to a lot of the family members here of these two suspects. specifically there is an aunt in russia who showed cnn this family photograph of this older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev, as a little baby. and now investigators, there it is, now investigators are wondering what happened to transform this baby boy into this criminal, this murderer, suspected, suspected bomber, the mastermind of the blast monday as his brother has alleged from this hospital bed? certainly no doubt federal investigators are turning to tamerlan's social media accounts and they're probing to see if the 26-year-old had direct ties to al qaeda. of course, the group responsible for 9/11. >> and it gets more and more complicated. we'll bring you cnn terrorism
analyst paul crookshank. what, right now, is the best thinking on where the investigators are in terms of thinking this is bigger than the brothers? >> well, the investigators will be looking at the devices themselves, but also at the trip to dagestan, to russia, in 2012 of the elder brother. now, there are some striking parallels between the devices in boston and a magazine that came out in the summer of 2010. that may suggest that some al qaeda inspired plots, not linked to an terrorist group, but cnn was reporting last night that may well be the case here, chris. >> paul, this is brooke. let me ask you a question here. we have been hearing bits and pieces from the transcript from dzhokhar, from the hospital bed, and specifically he's saying he and his brother were self-radicalized, they were not
taught by some group, some jihadist extremist group first hand. when you hear about what happened, the successful two pressure cooker bombs going off on boylston, a block away from where we are, and they sustained no injuries, do you buy that? you're not in on the investigation, but is that plausible that they got zero outside help? >> i think it certainly is plausible they did not receive overseas training somewhere. it seems they probably would have tested this device, they would be lucky to get it right first time. experts say that they could well have succeeded in launching these sorts of devices successfully without any sort of formal training, brooke. >> now, thank you very much for that, paul. appreciate it. we're going to keep staying on that, because it is obviously a big question. i've been looking over my shoulder because they're taking down the final parts of the marathon here, another sign that they're returning to what it is
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chris cuomo with brooke baldwin here in boston for our continuing coverage of the investigation here. for everything we learned through investigators, more questions and a big one raised today. >> we're learning more including deb feyerick who has been working her sources because there have been reports of this person who was murdered several years ago here in the boston area. deb feyerick, this was correct me if i'm wrong, a friend of the elder suspect of tamerlan tsarnaev. what have you learned? >> well, this wasn't just any friend. this was actually his best friend, the two were sparring partners, they spent a lot of time together, and now we're being told by a source close to the boston investigation that in fact the murder, the murder of the best friend brendan mass and two others who were also killed, it is getting looked at by a wider set of eyes, by a lot more investigators to see is there any connection, any link?
initially the crime was seen as a drug related crime. the three men, we're being told, had their throats slit and the district attorney at the time confirmed that each of the men had died of sharp force injuries to the neck. a very bloody crime scene at that. we are told that after the crime, the victims, it appears, didn't know the perpetrators, one of the reasons you're seeing -- we're not suggesting tamerlan is a perpetrator. you see his image on the screen right now. because of the close relationship, because of the interaction of the two men, this whole murder is being re-examined. again, you have investigators from all different agencies now on scene. and they're looking to see whether in fact -- how this plays in, how the death of his best friend may have affected tamerlan. that is all under investigation. we're told that, in fact, that at the crime scene, excuse me,
the crime scene one thing that really stood out to investigators is that the three men were each pulled into separate rooms, they had their throats slit, police believe the victims knew who the perpetrators were. also what was so interesting is that on the bodies, investigators found -- investigators found marijuana, marijuana sprinkled all over the bodies, along with cash, cash which had been left behind. so whether that was symbolic gesture, that is one thing they're looking into. but right now, new murder of -- this murder is being re-examined with a whole fresh set of eyes, brooke, chris? >> well, obviously the universe of possibility keeps expanding and with it questions for investigators. let me ask you this, any understanding as to whether or not investigators believe the younger brother could have any information about these murders? >> you know, they don't know. they don't know. one thing we can tell you is that according to folks who are talking to, one big question is why wasn't the older brother
questioned at the time? again, very close friend of one of the murder suspects, but right now no information suggesting he was ever questioned. that's under investigation. also, there may have been two people involved in this murder. so that's something that is coming out of the district attorney's office. they do believe that those victims knew who their killers were, and that there were probably more than one. but, again, whether the younger tsarnaev has been asked those questions, not sure. this is just one more piece to this extensive puzzle, chris. >> all right, deb, thank you very much. obviously the investigation on all these levels, keeps going and going, because they have to figure out whatever they can, so much unknown here. thanks for that. we'll go to a break. but when we come back this is a really bizarre twist, the ricin letters sent out, you'll remember, they went to the president, other officials, very dangerous, quickly they believe they found their man. today, he's released. and we didn't get any
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ricin-laced. you'll remember, paul kevin curtis, the man charged with sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and other officials, well, he has been released from custody. how do we know? we talked to his lawyer last hour. >> there were countless agencies, officers, agents, at mr. curtis' home searching his car, searching his former wife's home and searching his computers, and there was just simply nothing to link him to -- to these -- >> do you think, somebody, christi, christi, you think somebody was trying to frame him. the language was menacing, right? it was an extraction of a quote that was, if you see a wrong, you don't do something about it, you're part of that wrong, and the initials are ck. you think somebody is trying to frame him? >> absolutely i do. he actually -- that quote is one he has used because it is kind of a -- a favorite of
whistle-blowers and felt like he was a whistle-blower back a couple of years ago about some things that happened, and he has used that quote repeatedly on his own social media, so i do believe that someone who was familiar and is familiar with kevin just simply took his personal information and did this to him. and it is absolutely horrific. >> so just quickly, before we go to joe johns, she told you, i listened to the whole interview, she said it was the way he signs his signature, it was similar to the way in which these ricin-laced letter were signs and that's why she thinks her guy has been fingered. >> yes. and it is part of her expectation that he is innocent. and you have to remember, that's a very high bar legally. being not guilty means the case wasn't made. couldn't prove it. being innocent means you had nothing to do with it at all and that would be a stark turn in this story. >> let's go to joe jonzhns, cri
and justice correspondent, also working this story. do we know why or do we know the conditions of his release at all? >> no, we don't know the conditions of his release. the latest development from the federal government has been this order from the u.s. district court for the northern district of mississippi, and all it says from the judge in this case involving paul kevin curtis, the detention, hearing and preliminary hearing on the criminal complaint in this action are hereby continued until further order of this court. so it sounds very much like a legal limbo. that's not a technical term. we're waiting for the justice department. they haven't had any comment at all. they are saying basically that the investigation into this strange case is continuing. paul kevin curtis charged with sending ricin-laced letters to president obama, other officials, including roger wicker, the senator from
mississippi. now, he did plead not guilty at the outset. and probably the most telling thing that we heard all day is from that attorney, chris, that you interviewed, who said that his house was searched, even suggested that his ex-wife's house was searched, and authorities did not find anything. it is our understanding that through all -- throughout all the searches, the authorities have not found any trace of ric ricin, which was allegedly the substance sent through the mail that started all this. we're waiting for a news conference from the authorities to give us some sense of what they're saying on this, chris. >> well, the strong point, joe, but in fairness to all due deference eto miss mccoy, she said they didn't find anything. we don't know. not to undermine her at all, but we have to hear from the authorities and we do know, and this, again, from miss mccoy there are conditions on this. it is a tethered release, joe,
and brooke. there is bond on it. we don't know what the conditions were. she didn't want to give them. but he's not on his own recognizance. this could be very what joe says, continuance means adding time, doesn't mean it is over, doesn't mean it is him in the eyes of the prosecution. thank you for following it up. as you learn, let us know and we'll get back to you. >> will do. >> thank you, joe. we'll get more information also from the press conference on curtis' release, that's at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. we'll be listening in on "the situation room" with wolf blitzer later today. >> another story we're following here developing throughout the day came from wall street. stocks took this volatile plunge and then right back up. people couldn't figure it out. it was based on a tweet from. ap. and it just baffled everybody. look at what happened in this white house press conference about it from a reporter from the ap. take a listen. >> i have no announcements so i will take your questions. julie. >> thank you. i just want to say at the top it appears ap's twitter account has
been hacked. so anything that was just sent out about anything at the white house is actually false and i want to clarify that. >> good, i thank you for that. i appreciate that. i can say that the president is fine. i was just with him. >> let's go straight to wall street to alison kossic wik who watched the numbers go down and back up all over this tweet. this hacked tweet. >> what this tweet said from the associated press is there had been two explosions at the white house that president obama was hurt. that immediately sent wall street off into a tail spin, for a dramatic few minutes. you saw the dow drop over 100 points, 140 points pretty much within seconds dropping that much. i don't know if we can pull up the chart and show how steep that drop was and it turned around and recovered within minutes when the ap realized it had been hacked. and said that tweet was not
correct. and it really shows, brooke, how the headlines really moved the market, especially when there is a shocking headline from a reputable news organization, just how much it can move the market. it also shows the trading that is so prevalent now, this computerized trading, where trades happen in nanoseconds and market activity can change in an instant. brooke? >> bounce back, way above the 14,000 mark, despite this roller coaster, quick roller coaster of a day on wall street. alison kosik, thank you. >> shows the general anxiety, atmosphere we're in now. we'll repeat what the tweet was, because it was fake and offensive, but we're all on edge, and just one more reason why the investigation surrounding what happened here is so important. the more we get answers, the more people calm down and understand the situation is under control. >> there is surveillance video. and witnesses and a nation wanting justice here. so does -- how does a lawyer defend dzhokhar tsarnaev? coming up next, we're talking to
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tsarnaev brothers allegedly in action, midaction, this is just last thursday, during that shootout that ultimately ended in the older brother's death. it is just more evidence here from the surveillance tape to material found in dzhokhar's dorm room at umass dartmouth that apparently links them to the bombings here in boston one week ago yesterday. and, in fact, one senator, put it this way. >> there is ample evidence here on the criminal side, a first-year law student could prosecute this case. >> all right, so the question becomes how do we move forward as prosecutors and also as defenders in this situation? after all this is america, this man will be tried as a citizen under the criminal code. he's going to have defense. we already know he had a lawyer present for his first meeting. to talk about it, per spe persp two lawyers who represent ed
terrorists. steven jones represented oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh. let's start -- first of all, thanks to both of you, appreciate you being here. steven, i'll start with you. you do not agree with senator graham that this case against the suspect right now is not a slam dunk. what is your take? >> i don't agree with that at all. i think that's -- to be frank with you, arrogant nonsense. there are plenty of cases that started out with the public believing and politicians believing that the defendant was guilty, only to find that the defendant was acquitted, or the charges were dismissed or he was found guilty of a lesser included offense and not the main offense. so with respect to senator graham, the defense can only hope that the prosecutors have the mind set that he distributed.
>> all right, but playing the process aside, mr. jones, what is the best thing you can point to that makes you question the strength of the case from the outside? >> well there is two things, chris. first, obviously the defense will want to investigate all of the facts, review all of the video and talk to their clients. to the extent that their client does not communicate much to law enforcement, then they have the benefit of knowing their client's story, which is the basis for the defense. secondly, their client is the younger of the two brothers, which raises the question already discussed in the public of whether he was acting under his brother's influence, and failed in critical judgment or had some other object that would cause diminished responsibility. and finally, there is the question of the penalty. massachusetts is not a state that a prosecutor would want to seek the death penalty, because, first of all, the state doesn't
allow it, and so you're dealing with a jury pool that is conditioned to be against the death penalty. so the defense has many ways they can go in this case. >> no question, no question about that. a lot of different ways to manipulate a case from the defense side. jenny, let me ask you something different that is important to people watching right now. how do you balance as a defense attorney the interest of the rights of this citizen, this defendant, moving forward, and the need for critical information about a threat against americans? how do you balance how much you allow them today, how much you allow them to clam up, how do you balance that? >> i think the obama administration has done a great job so far in this case in striking that balance. i think they were right to invoke the public safety exception to miranda, which says, hey, if you've got a guy who is a dangerous terrorist, where there may still be attacks that are imminent, where he may have co-conspirators, there may be another bomb out there, you
don't have to immediately read the miranda warnings. you can do what any sensible person would do and any sensible police officer would do, first, talk to the guy and make sure there is no other imminent threat. and then i think after they did that initial questioning, they also did the right thing to move him to the civilian criminal justice system. you know, senator graham and others have suggested, oh, no, they should have held him as an enemy combatant, should have held him under the laws of war, i think the experience in the jose padilla case and other cases shows that trying one of these new categories leads to years of legal confusion. >> jenny, let me jump in. just to both of you and we'll wrap this up. in talking about everything that happened by this young man's bedside yesterday, we talked to our go to legal mind at cnn, jeffrey toobin, he said the number one words that the defense should be using here is delay. delay, delay, delay.
let some time pass. do you agree? >> i agree with that, yes. >> i think in any case -- i think in any case at this high profile this complicated, whether you want delay or not, it is going to take some time to work through and i think everyone, both prosecution and defense, is going to want to be very careful to get everything right here. and so i don't think people should delay, just for the sake of delay. but i think everyone should make sure to get legal procedures right here. so there is no question about the fairness and the accurateness of the proceedings. >> okay. >> jenny martinez, steven jones, thank you so much. and, you know, coming up here in boston, there are dozens of people who are dealing with losing limbs, facing a tough road ahead. i sent my morning at boston medical because there are two guys, not just these two guys, a lot of people coming up here from walter reed, wounded warriors, folks lost limbs and ieds, like this one gentleman i talked today, who are here to
help the victims of boston's bombings, i talked to two of them today, and i'll share that interview with you coming up. here is a peek. >> just the experience itself, she's going to have some self-doubt at some point. but seeing what other people can do and seeing what we do with our lives as amputees, it will give her that hope. ♪
of the more than 260 people injured in this past week's bombings, dozens are still recovering in the hospital, and about 15 of those people lost limbs in the attack. so a lot of people are coming out to help these folks who have lost arms and lost legs including the two guys i talked to today, one lost a leg in a motorcycle accident, he's been helping people get prosthetics for years, because as you know, they're not cheap. second gentleman i spoke with lost his leg in afghanistan a couple of years ago in an ied explosion. they were at boston medical as was i. they were visiting this mother/daughter. so they were both watching their
aunt run the race. and the mother, in the blast, lost both of her legs. the daughter had what they were worried would be a fatal injury. they are okay. they're recovering. we got an update on mom and daughter and also heard from these two guys. take a look. >> they lost their legs. >> yes. >> last monday. >> you lost your leg in a motorcycle accident. how are you helping them? >> well, we were here just for like mental support. we have been there. i've been in that hospital. i know what it is like. he's been blown up in afghanistan. he knows what it is like to be in the same situation they're in. we wanted to let them know, life as an amputee, life is not over. you got a new step in life you got to deal with. >> you lost your leg in an ied accident. how do you try to explain to these people who are still reeling that it is going to be okay. >> well, you know, you can only tell them what you've been through. and, you know, i remember when i was in there, in walter reed, there were amputees there and they were giving me words of
encouragement and stuff like that. and it did help, but at the same time, she's going to go through her own healing process and there will be times that no matter what we can tell her, until she experiences it herself, you know, she's going to have self-doubt at some point. but seeing what other people can do and seeing what we do with our lives, as amputees, it will give her that hope and when she gets down, she'll be able to lean on that and go, but if they can do it, eventually i'll do and she will. >> it is a unique story to think that mom and daughter are healing, next to each other, i'm close to my mom. that would help me so much. how are they doing? >> they're awesome. we were just -- i was joking with them yesterday, is she still going to be in the hospital? she's not going anywhere. so i think even if the daughter was able to go home, i don't think her mom would let her go. >> she's in good spirits. there were a group of marines amputees that went and visited her the other day. she was joking about how she wanted to run the boston marathon at one point, but she never could run very well because she had these bad shin splints. now i don't have to worry about
shin splints anymore. she has a good sense of hume bere it. >> sense of humor. but reality here, what is the biggest challenge and hurdle to overcome, that you all have from experience. >> impression. everything is going to come. the walking, you know, the -- if she wants to run, running. i do some stuff that even normal people don't do. i snowboard, i wakeboard, stuff like that. and i've seen above the knee, below the knee, double amputees, do all of this. so that stuff can come. whatever she wants to do, it will come. but, you know there is going to be dark days, you know. just keeping that positive attitude and climbing back out of it again. >> final words, bostonians. >> just -- i hope everybody keeps giving them support. they're going to go through a lot of different things, like, i didn't get depressed until five years later. it is not like it is going to happen overnight. some people are different. i was five years later. i just -- i just -- it is not fun. i was in a dark place and i drank myself, you know, and i
realized, what am i doing? my life is just -- i'm being that guy i don't like being. >> look at you now. >> look at me now. >> hmm. so incredible stories, with guys helping these people. and i should mention, it is cindy's 18th birthday. so they brought her some teddy bears and balloons and tried to lift her spirits in the hospital today. >> another part of the reality of the situation that people are going to have to live through. and also an aspect of why we keep saying boston strong. people coming together to try to help. this will be hard in so many ways and part of it is we tell you these stories because you want to connect with people just like you, who are living through such a horrible thing. and also to remember the motivation for getting it right here. and that's why the investigation is so important. on the state side, and also on the citizen side, because we have to understand what could be known about these suspects, the case has to be made, and it is going on here, and it is going on in washington where congress is demanding answers, looking at
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the senate intelligence committee got under way last hour on capitol hill. fbi officials are there and have been called before the panel to answer questions. we were talking so much about all the questions there are really in this investigation, what led up to what happened here last monday in boston. and about the bureau's handling of the older brother tamerlan tsarnaev. let's go to chief political analyst gloria borger. talk about the pressure, the pressure the fbi is under to explain what the heck happened. >> announcer: lot of pressure. first of all, members of congress want to do their job and know what the fbi knew, when, they want to make sure information wasn't what we call in washington speak siloed, you know, post 9/11 the big issue was that agencies need to be sharing information. they want to make sure that, for example, the fbi, department of homeland security, intelligence were all sharing information.
there is another really important question which just sort of came up today. if the fbi investigated this man and decided he was not really a threat, they contact the russians, they try to get more information, they don't get more information, what can they then do that doesn't violate federal guidelines to continue to pursue him? where do they have to cut it off? where does legal and illegal surveillance begin? there are federal guidelines and, clearly, the fbi did not want to cross a line, particularly if they found no indication of terrorist activity. >> thank you. the big question will be did they do everything, were they in the loop? were they coordinate staten island did they work off the russians' information well, did they use resources and assets in russia? hopefully those will be asked and we'll be listening.
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now for a look at the anatomy of a pressure cooker bomb and how to deal with it once it goes off. here is david mattingly. >> at this remote desert testing ground experts replicate and explode bombs used by terrorists. on this day there is a sense of urgency. >> after boston what are you worried about? could this be the future of domestic terrorism? >> you always worry about copy cats. are more and more people going to be using this? >> this is a pressure cooker bomb similar to the bombs in boston and we're about to set it off. >> going to do a countdown? >> in the wrong hands we already know how deadly this bomb can be and we're not taking any chances. for safety reasons, we've had to retreat to this mountain top here. we are now over a quarter mile away from where we left that pressure cooker. but that is still not far enough to avoid flying shrapnel, so
we're watching from inside a bunker. >> five, four, three, two, one -- wow! that white smoke looks just like what we saw in boston. >> yeah. >> i could feel it all the way up here. >> oh, yeah. that shock wave will travel. >> reporter: but down below is the real shock. >> at this point we're looking for fragments. >> reporter: one bomb turned into thousands of weapons scattered more than a hundred yards. this was part of the pressure cooker now mangled and razor sharp. no wonder so many people got hurt. instead of nails we filled the pot with nuts from a hardware store. shot out bike bullets they pierced plywood. some even melted from the heat. >> look at the back of it. how fast were these things moving when they went out of there? >> they can travel a thousand, 2,000 feet a second. >> reporter: that's faster than sound. >> yes. faster than the speed of sound. these things will get in front of the shock wave and hit you before the pressure wave does. >> reporter: you're hit before you even hear it.
>> that's right. >> reporter: here is what the blast looks like using a high speed camera. an intense ball of fire, less than 20 feet across, but watch the white rings on the desert floor. that's the shock wave. engineers studying this blast say there is a lesson here for first responders. >> say i'm a first responder. what do i need to be aware of when i come upon a scene like this? >> there is a lot of shrapnel, very hot, very sharp. you could easily cut yourself. there could be unexploded ordnance, parts of the bomb he left over that didn't explode and could go off at any time. >> reporter: for potential bystanders there are only words of caution. by the time you hear the boom you could already be hit. awareness of your surroundings could be the only defense. david mattingly, cnn, new mexico.