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hi, everyone. i'm brooke baldwin live in boston on this beautiful friday afternoon. for special live coverage of the investigation into the boston marathon bombings. jake tapper will join me here in just a moment. but after a week spent in the same hospital as many of the victims he's accused of wounding here, dzhokhar tsarnaev is in a new hospital today. this time he's behind bars. so all this happened under the
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cloak of darkness, overnight. he was moved from where i am in boston to this federal prison camp who holds detainees who need medical care. he will not be getting a visit from his parents anymore soon. we know his mother is wanted in the united states on shoplifting charges and his father, anzor tsarnaev has abandoned his plans to come to the u.s. to help with the investigation and to bury his eldest son tamerlan. we have learned an ambulance was called in for him last night and his trip is now delayed indefinitely. also today, there is a new push to piece together the final minutes of sean collier's life. m.i.t. is posting this on his website, asking for any information on last week's killing of the campus police officer. cnn has also just learned investigators are searching another land fill, this time specifically looking for
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dzhokhar tsarnaev's laptop. that's what's happening this afternoon. this was the bizarre and eerily light hearted conversation between these two suspected boston bombers on the run. we're learning more from the 26-year-old chinese national who was carjacked by the tsarnaev brothers and cnn's brian todd joins me now in boston. and what a story. read the article in "the globe" this morning. you talked to this professor of criminalology, he was met with this carjacking victim. what did he say? >> this is professor james spock of northeastern university. carjacking victim will not go on camera, doesn't want to give his name. he's relayed everything through the professor. and they told this to the boston globe, also told it to us. it is a harrowing story, the carjacking victim says on thursday night, the 18th, when that big gun battle fightout, before that, this guy was carjacked, on the streets of
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brighton. he's pulled over in his car to get a text. a knock on the passenger window. he rolls down the window, it is tamerlan tsarnaev, tamerlan tsarnaev reaches in, opens the door, climbs in at that point, the carjacking victim notices that he's wielding a silver handgun. and we have an account now from james fox on what tamerlan tsarnaev's first words to the carjacking victim were. take a listen. >> rolls down the window and then this man reaches inside, inside the door, opens the door from inside, gets in the car, and pulls out a gun. >> his first words are what? >> did you hear about the bombing? the marathon bombing? and danny, said, i did, he said, well, that's me. i did that. and i just killed a cambridge cop. obviously danny then knew this guy was serious. >> and that began a 90-minute harrowing odyssey between the carjacking victim, tamerlan tsarnaev, first his brother is
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following in another car, then they stop the two cars, unload the car in the back with a bunch of heavy equipment, bunch of heavy objects that the carjacking victim thinks are pieces of luggage. and then they all three get in the car. 90 minutes, harrowing ordeal. >> he gets a break, he sees a sign, never thrilled to see a gas station when you have a credit card. this is a gas station with cash only and that's when he made his break for it. >> cash only. at the pump, dzhokhar tsarnaev has to go in and pay cash for the gas. at this point, he's got one guy guarding him. that one guy, tamerlan tsarnaev, he's noticing, fumbles around with the portable gps. while he's doing that, tamerlan sets the gun into the pocket of the door. he's got literally a couple of seconds. just undoes his seat belt, at the same time opening the door, bolts out the door, toward the back of the car, tamerlan tsarnaev screaming expletives, he feels something grabbing for him, his hand.
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he bolts for the gas station across the street, and makes it out of there. >> unreal. unreal. just to try and crawl inside his head and think what in the world must have been going through for the harrowing 90 minutes. brian todd, thank you so much for that reporting here from the carjacking victim who is a-okay. as we told you, dzhokhar tsarnaev's new hospital room just about 40 miles from where i'm stan i'm standing here in boston. jason carol is live. jason, we know that tsarnaev was shot in the head, the neck, the legs and hand. i understand you now have some new information about how he was processed once he got there in the middle of the night. >> reporter: of course. and first we should point out he was stable enough to be medically transferred from beth israel to where we are now. and once he arrived here, we're told sometime before 5:00 a.m., he went through the intake greeting process, step by step process, brooke. the first process of that is when u.s. marshals brought tsarnaev here in handcuffs, he
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was first strip searched, went through that. seco he went through a medical screening. third, psychological screening to determine if he was suicidal. if he was mentally capable. then he went through a social intake screening and that's basically where tsarnaev was told about the rules and conditions here at that particular facility. and then he was fingerprinted. they took a dna sample. also he was photographed. all of that information then turned over to the fbi for processing. so that's just a little bit more information about what exactly he went through when he arrived here at this facility in the early morning hours. brooke? >> tell me, jake -- jake, listen to me. i have jake tapper standing next to me. welcome to you, jason, before i let you go, what else do we know about the facility who else is being detained in a place like this? >> reporter: well, i can tell you this facility houses approximately 1,000 inmates. but tsarnaev is being held in a restricted section because he's
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a high risk offender. and that particular section of this facility, it can hold up to about 30 inmates. and found a little bit more information about these particular type of cells that he's being held in right now. apparently it is just your very -- a very basic cell. it has got a shower inside of it. a toilet as well as a sink. there is a slot in the steel door, so food can be brought in there as well. in terms of visitors, he is allowed to have visitors, butte we're told at this point the only visitors on that list are his legal representatives. if the family member such as his father, for example, wants to come in, and visit here, he's going to have to fill out the proper paperwork this and will be determined on a case by case basis. brooke? >> okay, jason carol, thank you very much. we want you to join tonight erin burnett out front at 7:00 eastern when she takes on the question, our social media sites the next breeding ground for terrorists. that's right here on cnn. >> the bombing suspect's father
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postponed his trip to the u.s. indefinitely. he says for health reasons. that's according to the suspect's mother. earlierhe fathe had agreed to fly to the u.s. as early as today and cooperate with investigators. the mother also has decided not to come to the u.s. she's wanted on felony charges of shoplifting and destruction of property in massachusetts. that's where the parents lived until last year. pale, bleeding, legs gone. it was this extremely graphic picture that sent shock waves across the world. 27-year-old jeff bowman had been waiting for his girlfriend to cross the finish line and minutes later he was being wheeled away from the explosion site. his legs severed below the knee. carlos arrendondo holding his artery as he ran alongside him to slow the bleeding. in shock, his eyes haunted by what he just experienced and what he saw, just moments before the bomb went off. he came face to face with the
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man who would nearly take his life. >> i was with my girlfriend's roommates, and having a great time. we were watching the runners. everyone was having a great time. and just that one guy, you know, he didn't look like he was having a good time. so he was right next to me, you know, at that point, and he had a bag and he had his glasses, he had, like, kind of like a leather like sweatshirt type of deal. and it is warm out. he's just an odd guy. just struck me odd. and that's what i remember of him. and then next thing you know, i hear fireworks and i'm on the ground, you know? actually when carlos picked me up and threw me into the wheelchair, then i was, like, all right, maybe i am going to make it. but before that, no way. i thought i was done. >> you bringing in the birthday gift for sydney corcoran on her 18th birthday. tell us how that went. >> i had a bunch of stuff from
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costco. that's where i worked. and they have been great also. they brought me a bunch of electronic stuff. so i was, like, let's give her some gifts and bring some stuff down to her. >> what about when you found out the guy you saw was run over, literally, by his brother. >> what i thought was he's dead and i'm still here, you know. >> jeff bowman is facing a pile of medical bills, so his friends have set up this website to help out. if you want to donate, go to go fund bucks for bauman. bucks for bauman. brooke? >> i'm going to walk away from our set right here, just to give you a little perspective of where we are. walk with me. we have -- [ inaudible ] right by this memorial. obviously you know the deal now, we know the explosions happened
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just up that way. we just wanted to walk you inside and show you what has been set up. and i tell you, i've been here for a couple of days now. and it just continues to grow. and what i'm really stunned by are the messages. so the messages here clearly there have been multiple boards because many people have written that they have had to create new boards, costa rica, never forget the helpers, the runners, the first responders, the wounded, the deceased. god bless you, boston. we stand behind you. new york city. sorry for your loss. germany, be strong. boston never leaves your heart. be strong. people continue to leave their messages. their leaving flowers, teddy bears, they're leaving red sox jerseys. and where are my ladies? here they are. tell me your first names? >> betsy. >> betsy and -- >> and sara. >> and sara. you work down around the corner. what do you want people to know?
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we have been here for so many days here and we have seen sort of the resilience of boston. you still have questions though. >> i do. i just want to know why. like how can someone be so heartless and so evil to do this and to hurt innocent people? i don't think i'll ever understand it. >> if you ever got an answer, if we ever heard from them, it is in fact they're the ones that are ultimately convicted of the heinous crime, would any answer really allay your concerns? >> i don't think so. i really don't. i think it always will be a question. i'll never understand how someone can do that. >> i don't think we ever will. tell me, though, just about the scene. it is like this place is hopping. it feels back. but i couch that with it is not fully. >> not the same. i mean, it is -- it is open, but it is not the same as it was. it is nice to see all the people here. it is nice that the businesses are back open and people are going there and, you know, giving them business now.
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>> being supportive. >> yeah. >> jake tapper, i'll send it back to you. i was walking last night, finished working, wanted to head to the boston marathon sport location, the store that was closed right there for where the explosion number one was. and the line was out the door. so hopefully people, whether you're from here or not, come down here, and whether you want to pay your respects, go to the small businesses, give them a little business, quite a scene, jake. >> thanks, brooke. up next, the hero vendor who disrupted the 2010 terror plot in times square. he's reacting today to the boston suspects' plan to attack new york city, to attack times square. we'll take you to that site next.
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up with that vendor today and got his take on this latest terror plot. >> reporter: brooke, i'm here in the crossroads of the world, times square. new york city keeps a closer eye than ever on people here in times square. there are security cameras from new york city police, from various hotels, that totally are around the whole zone. of course, three years ago, a man tried to blow up a car inside times square. dwayne jackson was here at that time. and you were the one who saw this van smoking. how did you notice that? >> i've been here 15 years. and in this business you always keep your eyes open because you never know what's going on in new york city. >> reporter: what do you think of the latest report that the boston bombers might have come here spontaneously to detonate something. >> it sends a chill down my back. partially because i was fortunate to graduate from boston university, and i lived in boston for four years. but, you know, the incident that we had here on may 1st was another indication that our
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enemies are right here with us, and unfortunately, you know, my heart goes out to those people in boston, especially the graduate student who lost her life. >> reporter: the smoking van was across the street? >> it was right across the street. the keys were inside of it, the car was running, which is one of the main things that got my curiosity up. and it used to be a bank across the street. when i saw the car running, and walked over to it, and not knowing exactly what the contents that were in that car at that particular time, but who leaves the car running on a quarter to 7:00 on a beautiful saturday evening in times square? >> reporter: and that furnlgz t furthers the policy of new york, if you see something, say something. brooke, back to you. >> richard roth, thank you very much. coming up, if you had to get on an airplane recently, probably noticed maybe more than the usual delays, but thanks to congress and a little complaining it looks like that's all about to change.
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welcome back to cnn's special coverage here in boston. in just a moment, we'll talk more about the investigation into the terrorist attacks.
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but first, if you have to catch a flight in the next couple of weeks, you might have just caught a break from delays ca e caused by the furlough of air traffic controller. congress just voted to let the federal aviation administration shuffle money around so it can keep controllers on a full schedule, it sailed through the senate and the house but not before some house members expressed their anger. >> i know that the american people are watching the blame game, but the blame game falls clearly on this side of the aisle, my republican friends held this place hostage. we won't pay the debt ceiling, we won't pay our debt. now we're losing jobs and i believe in air traffic controllers. but we're holding them hostage. what about the person that cannot afford an air ticket? >> the faa negotiated in bad faith with the faa employees, the airlines, the flying public and the congress. and the administration played
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shameful politics with sequestration at the cost of hard working american families. as i have often said, this is simply no way to run a government. >> stephanie elam is at los angeles international airport. stephanie, how bad has it been out there and what has been the cost? >> reporter: well, jake, early on this week we saw flights that are being diverted, that were supposed to land at l.a.x., but because of runways aren't all open, they were being diverted to ontario. there have been some bad days. today, not so bad. overall, people wondered how much has this cost? the government had to do what they had to do because of sequestration. but some industries out there say the cost was just way larger than they were getting at first estimates. one trade group, the airlines for america, put the airline industry losses at $30 million over just the last five days. another group, the u.s. travel association, estimated that the airline and travel industry that their losses would have been more than $9 billion over six
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months. now, to compare that, think about it this way, that the faa was required to cut some $600 million over the rest of this fiscal year period through september. that just puts into perspective how badly they think this would have gone on, these airlines think this would have gone on had this continued, jake. >> stephanie, it is brooke. are the delays gone? when did everything go back to normal? >> reporter: we're not quite back to normal yet, brooke. we still have to get the president to sign this bill, to make it go into effect and then the transportation department then has to figure out where they're putting the money in, get those workers back into the control towers and keep the other ones open that were slated to close. i would imagine they were preparing for this, and from what indications we have seen, it will probably happen very quickly that things will be running back the way they were before and we can go back to blaming things on weather. >> all right. stephanie elam, thanks. when we come back, heart and
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live here in boston on a beautiful friday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin alongside jake tapper. and good to be with you. >> nice to be here. >> and with you. cnn just learned investigators are back at this land fill near umass dartmouth where the younger suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev was attending classes. they're looking for his laptop. meanti meantime, tsarnaev is sitting in a prison after a week spent in the very same hospital that so many of the victims have been. victims he's accused of wounding
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last monday. overnight, he was moved right here to a federal prison camp that holds detainees who need medical care. the 19-year-old has a gunshot wound to the throat. meantime, the whereabouts of the parents, unclear. we know his mother is wanted in the united states on a shoplifting charge. now his father is in russia. we have now learned he has abandoned his plans to come to the u.s. they have left dagestan, but say their trip to the u.s. is delayed indefinitely. >> indefinitely. and while investigators dig into the details behind the bombing, folks here are finding ways to move forward. they're banning together, honoring victims in very special ways. take a look at this breathtaking cover of the may issue of "boston" magazine. shoes worn by runners from the april 15th marathon with the title, we will finish the race. inside, some of those runners tell their stories in a special feature, the shoes we wore.
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brooke and i spoke with boston magazine deputy art director liz n napful. >> the running shoes to honor the runners in the event and the heart, just to show our support for the community and our love for everyone here. it is a whole community event, the marathon. we wanted to honor that. >> you didn't paint any of the shoes. that's the natural color of the shoes. >> our photo editor was, like, let's put the colors in the middle. it feels like it is beating almost, like it is alive. and i think it makes it. we turned over all the shoes and on the back is the soles of the shoe, so the heart and soul. we're a resilient city. this is an opportunity, our whole company represents it. everyone on staff came together to make this happen. interns, editors, online people, from sales, all coming together, gathering shoes, turning this around and i think it represents that we're a strong city.
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>> fun to talk to liz earlier. i had only seen the cover of the magazine. when she flipped it over and showed us the sole of the shoes, really beautiful. in a couple of hours, people will get to cheer on their boston celtics. i got my green on today. tapper. they take on the new york knicks for game three of the -- >> i'm not obligated to cheer for the celtics, am i, at this point? >> debatable. we have been here for two weeks. i feel like this is home away from home now. it is the celtics first game at home since last monday's bombing. they're down two games so far. after everything their city has been through in the last two weeks, the hunger, the thirst for a win, i can tell you will be pretty intense. and so our team caught up with the paul pierce, also doc rivers and the gang, got their take on what is going on and what will certainly be pretty emotional night tonight. >> i've had the pleasure of covering the boston marathon at least eight times and i know this finish line area like the back of my hand.
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and it is absolutely chilling and downright emotional to come here to boylston street and seat memorials and to think back to what happened here just days ago. the city of boston continues to recover, the celtics finally return home, having watched all of this from a distance. >> last time i was home was the day of the bombing. i mean, when came home the other day, i mean, it seems like things are back to normal, but still, you know, it is in the air. you know what happened. it feels like -- we have been on the road for a month. and then while you're on the road, the lockdown of the city happened and everybody on the phone, making sure all the families are inside. and that's -- it's been there, there is no doubt about that. >> i would like to thank you for your support and all the support for the people throughout the
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country through this tragic event. boston will rise and run again. thank you. >> reporter: boston could not find a way to win a game in madison square garden and found them in a deficit against the knicks. they're hoping for a different result with the help of the celtics fans at td garden for game three. >> just being a celtic, representing the city of boston, sports, it brings the community together. we have 18,000 fans in there, all supporting the same thing. >> reporter: are you going to be someone cheering for the celtics, try to help them get a lift. they're down 0-2 to the knicks. >> absolutely. absolutely. i think everyone in boston is cheering for everything boston related right now. >> i don't know how we can help the city. the city helped itself already. they really have. there is nothing more we're going to do except for inspire them with a win. that would be nice. but our city has been so strong. they didn't need us. we actually need them.
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>> the role of the sports teams play for this town and its recovery has been important. we have seen that with the red sox game, which had been canceled and then went on. there was the singing of the national anthem at the bruins game. >> sweet caroline in the bronx. >> pretty important for this city. we want to show you some sound now, of president obama, meeting in the oval office with jordan's king abdullah, just made comments about syria and the discussion of whether the syrian regime, bashar al assad, has been using chemical weapons. take a listen. >> hold on a second. one at a time. the -- what we have right now is an intelligence -- as i said, knowing that potentially chemical weapons have been used inside of syria doesn't tell us when they were used, how they were used, confirmation, and
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strong evidence, all of those things we have to make sure that we work on with the international community. and we ourselves are going to be putting a lot of resources into focusing on this. and i think that in many ways a line has been crossed when we see tens of thousands of innocent people being killed by a regime. but the use of chemical weapons, and the dangers that poses to the international community, to neighbors of syria, the potential for chemical weapons to get into the hands of terrorists, all of those things add increased urgency to what is already a significant security problem and humanitarian problem in the region. so we're going to be working with countries like jordan to try to obtain more direct evidence and confirmation of this potential use.
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and in the meantime, i've been clear publicly, but also privately, that for the syrian government to utilize chemical weapons, on its people, crosses a line that will change my calculus and how the united states approaches these issues. so, you know, this is not an on or off switch. this is an ongoing challenge that all of us have to be concerned about. and we're going to be working with the international community and our partners to keep our eyes on what is happening on the ground, to gather any evidence of potential chemical weapon use, and at the same time, to continue to help with a moderate and inclusive opposition to help bring about the day when the syrian people can once again focus on living their lives, raising their children, starting
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businesses, and obtaining basic freedom and human rights. this is going to be a long term proposition. this is not going to be something that is solved easily overnight, but i know that king abdullah is committed to trying to find these kinds of solutions. so am i. all right? >> president obama in the oval office, meeting with king abdullah of jordan. he was talking about the question about whether or not bashar al assad, the ruler of syria, whether or not there is some conclusive evidence he used chemical weapons against the people. he said this is not an on or off switch, it is a long process, and to make sure the evidence is real and concrete. a lot of questions about whether or not bashar al assad -- if he used chemical weapons or moved around chemical weapons, that would be a red line. a lot of questions still remaining according to president obama as to whether or not that actually happened.
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they say with varying degrees of confidence according to the intelligence agencies in this country, they believe he may have. >> given what broke about syria in the last 24, 48 hours and what happened here in boston last two weeks, you know, the president has a precarious line to walk with the white house correspondents dinner. you've been there, i've been there two years in a row now. when i come back, i want to ask you your take, having covered the white house for years and years, how the president walks this line of humor, given what has happened here in boston for the last two weeks. be right back. [ beeping ] ♪ [ male announcer ] we don't just certify our pre-owned vehicles. we inspect, analyze and recondition each one, until it's nothing short of a genuine certified pre-owned... mercedes-benz for the next new owner. ♪ hurry in to your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for 1.99% financing during our certified pre-owned sales event through april 30th.
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it has been a tough couple of weeks for the country, not just what happened here in boston, but of course that horrendous explosion in west, texas, killing 14. been a tough week for the country, tough week for the president, but tomorrow night
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he's expected to walk on that stage in washington, tell a couple of jokes, it is the annual white house correspondents' dinner where journalists and politicians and a-listers gather really for just a great night of partying. take a look. >> i wasn't aware that this is true, i hear, when you attend a function, mr. president, that the secret service puts you through an extensive background check. you know. it is a little embarrassing, actually. turns out technically i'm still a virgin. but i went so the jefferson memorial and i was inspired because carved on the beautiful walls are really inspiring sayings. first one at the top, i have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. and then just below that, i know but one code of morality for men, whether acting singly or collectively. and then way down at the bottom, carved in marble, it says, ps,
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if there is ever a movie about me, please don't cast nick nolte. some people say the president is going to have a tough race in '96. some say it is not going to be easy, it is going to be an uphill struggle. well, i speak for the 30 and under generation. mr. president, i want you to know you don't have to worry about us. because we don't vote. finally, i have an announcement for those of you watching tonight's event live on cspan, for god's sake, it's saturday night. come on. >> that was conan o'brien from almost 20 years ago. >> 1995. >> 1995. >> little baby conan. >> little baby conan. we know he'll be there tomorrow night. and you, as the white house correspondent for many years, how many years did you attend that thing? >> i don't know. a decade, more than a decade.
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a while. >> so how does it work with the president getting up there, given what happened in west, texas, boston, everything happening with syria, how does he get up there? pretty funny guy. at least whoever is writing the jokes are pretty funny. how does he manage that? >> you have to acknowledge the tragedy and ask for prayers and the peoples thoughts and make sure people understand you recognize this is a moment where something like that is going on. talk about the troops, a moment to respect and honor the troops abroad. i think avoiding jokes about any of those very sensitive subjects is a good idea. people do want to laugh. they do want to laugh. and he usually comes armed with lots of jokes about the likes of us, and i'm sure he has no shortage of things to make fun of, and he'll do that t. the big challenge is for conan, because the president, whether it is president bush or president obama, the president is the opening act and then the comedian comes on after that.
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>> no pressure. >> and, so, you know, i think the last two have been really good. jimmy kimmel last year and seth meyers the year before. so conan, who is very funny, you know, he needs to continue the streak. there has been some real duds in the past. >> last couple of years it was hysterical. >> yeah. kimmel and meyers killed, i thought. >> matt damon, he was speaking across the river in harvard, talking about his own hometown, and revealed his indirect link to one of the suspects. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore. and do you know your... blooa or b positive??doctor. have you eaten today? i had some lebanese food for lunch.
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here in boston, there is a debate among many in the muslim community. the issue is whether or not the suspected boston marathon bo bombing mastermind tamerlan tsarnaev should receive a proper burial. let's bring in two imams. let's start with you, your opinion, should tamerlan tsarnaev have a traditional muslim burial, we already missed the traditional 24-hour period. >> yes, sir. yeah, for sure. at my mosque in boston, our position is that of all americaamerican
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s -- doctors who made sure they tried to keep him alive, so that's fair, we feel he has the right of a muslim burial, because that's his right as a -- >> you disagree. >> yes, i disagree. and i have different position with respect to imam. for me, this man is a murderer, okay. he killed people in cold blood. and i'm not too please anyone, to please people. i'm standing on the rules and the teachings of islam, where the koran considers the killings of innocent person is equal to the killing of all of mankind. and the koran clearly mentioned that those who kill innocent people, they will be without parole. >> but if osama bin laden, we talked about a murderer, osama
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bin laden was given a -- we know he was, a proper muslim burial, everything else -- >> within 24 hours. >> within 24 hours, a couple of years ago, why would that be different than this tamerlan tsarnaev? >> you are looking at my opinion. even if they called me for osama bin laden, i would never put my hands on him. because it is clear, this man is responsible for murdering. i really need the muslim leaders in america to stand up strongly for the truth of the matter. killing innocent people, this police officer, the m.i.t. police officer, sitting in his cruiser, he choose this job of protecting people, and he was killed in cold blood. he was not after the two brothers to kill them, to say that they defended themselves, they came to him, this is a
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deliberate attack, buying materials, buying cooking parts, preparing for the bomb, walking, putting -- this is deliberate act. it is not an act of someone who randomly gets upset and decided to act this way. >> that is his opinion. the majority of classical legal scholars in town, anyone who dies, their soul stands before god. that's a respected opinion. i love him, he's one of my teachers. but the opinion of the majority of us is that he should be buried and his case is with god, even though we completely denounce his actions, but we treat our enemies in america better than they treat us. it is one of our traditions. >> how would he be buried. the 24-hour period has already passed, does that mean that he needs to be buried as soon as possible or -- >> it is recommended that that happens. but it is not something that we have to press forward. there is an investigation. there is an autopsy. there is questions that need to
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be answered. i think his wife also at the end of the day, from what i understand, she has the right to claim the body. we should honor her requests as next of kin, how she wants to bury her husband. >> i don't think, as of at least most recent check from cnn, his body has been claimed and the issue with the parents who were supposed on on their way here to the united states. they're now mia. we don't know where they are. so who knows how long this body will be sitting -- >> we would perform that service, wash the body, pray over it and take it to the graveyard and have it buried. >> before we go, how is your view on this position being received in your community and also for you? >> obvious he should be given the right. i feel he shouldn't be buried in america. he committed a crime against america. and that's where there is some differences in my community. as for him being buried outside of -- our community is in agreement he should be given -- >> in the propheter tradition,
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we have an incident of a muslim who killed in cold blood and prophet muhammad criticized him for that, and blamed him. and when the person died, he was -- when the people buried him, in the morning they found him on the -- on the surface of the earth. and they tried to bury him again. and they would find him in the same situation next day. the prophet muhammad said that the earth would accept worse than him, but it would not accept him. because he murdered an innocent person. so i'm not really against the -- it is my opinion and i'm willing to defend it. not from my own perspective, but from the perspectives of the
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koran and the -- >> thank you for sharing your views, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. certainly a debate that will continue on. up next, actor and singer donnie wahlberg speaks out for the first time since the attack on his own hometown. he will join us live. [ mal the 2013 chevy silverado 1500 has the best pickup coverage in america, with a new 2-year, 24,000-mile scheduled maintenance program, a 3-year, 36,000-mile bumper-to-bumper warranty, and a 5-year, 100,000-mile powertrain limited warranty. we've got you covered eight ways to sunday. come to think of it, sunday, too. right now chevy truck owners can trade up to a silverado all-star edition and get a total value of $8,500. the dependable, reliable, chevy silverado.
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i'm brooke baldwin on this friday afternoon in boston for special live coverage of the investigation into the boston marathon bombings. couple of items of note i want to get to you. cnn has just learned that investigators are at this moment at this land fill near dzhokhar tsarnaev's umass dartmouth dorm room where he was spotted just after the bombings. earlier this week, investigators were there scouring for receipts. this time we have learned they're looking for his laptop. meantime, dzhokhar tsarnaev is sitting in prison after a week spent in the same hospital here in boston.
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so many of the victims. he's accused of wounding. overnight he was moved here, this is a federal prison, that holds detainees who need medical care. the 19-year-old had suffered a gunshot wound to his throat. all of this as the tsarnaev parents have gone off the grid. we now know they have left dagestan, russia. his father, anzor tsarnaev, abandoning his plans to come here to the united states, saying his trip to the u.s. is delayed indefinitely. as we mentioned, dzhokhar tsarnaev is now in this prison medical center, just about 40 miles from where i'm standing here in boston. and i want to bring in our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen. and, elizabeth, i know you've done some checking on this medical facility. tell me about it. and what does this place suggest about his condition? >> right, brooke. prisons across the country have some form of medical facility, but there are only six medical
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facilities like the one that tsarnaev is in at fort devens. it is a lot of patients. they have about a thousand inmates getting medical care there. they have six doctors, 60 nurses, they have 24-hour care, dialysis, x-rays. but it is interesting. there is some things they don't seem to have. one is that they can't do big surgeries. and also according to -- if you look on the website, the joint commission, they're not accredited for intensive care unit. don't have -- don't appear to have an intensive care unit. that tells us that he is not in terrible condition. we know he was discharged in fair condition. apparently they felt comfortable discharging him to a place that doesn't do big surgeries, that appears not to have an intensive care unit. >> elizabeth, what about the hospital where he was for a week? beth israel deaconess in boston. a number of the bombing victims are being treated there as well and understandably so, having
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his presence under the same roof is incredibly upsetting for the victims and the families. tell me about that. >> i was talking to a doctor who has many colleagues at the beth israel and he spoke to them and they said, wow, patients here who were victims are really freaking out. he said they were actually scared to have him in the same building, they knew he was handcuffed, they knew there were guards, but still it was scary to have him in the same place. and they also said something interesting. that apparently they thought, wow, what if my doctor is also treating this guy? what if my doctor, who i trust and i've gotten to know, is also taking care of the guy who allegedly hurt me. and that that was really just a huge burden and very traumatic for some of them. you have to wonder was there some pressure from the beth israel to get him out of there. >> get him treated, get him out. get him out , 40 miles away from the city now. elizabeth cohen, thank you. and now to this. 90 minutes of sheer terror. this is what this boston man says he endured after being
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carjacked by these two bombing suspects. tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev. the 26-year-old chinese entrepreneur who wants to be identified only by his american nickname, danny, we'll call him danny, he detailed his terrifying experience, exclusively to the boston globe. and globe reporter eric moskowitz describes one critical moment of the ride, he says this, quote. they stopped in watertown center, so dzhokhar could withdraw money from the bank of america atm using danny's card. danny, shivering from fear, but claiming to be cold, asked for his jacket. guarded by just one brother, danny wondered if this was his chance. but he saw around him only locked storefronts. a police car drove by, lights off. danny would get another chance to escape later after an endless ride through boston. >> he drove around for 90 minutes, threatening him, and
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danny constantly thinks how do i stay alive, don't want to say the wrong thing. at one point he gets a text message from his roommate in chinese saying, you know, where are you, how come you haven't come home and tamerlan takes the chinese -- english to chinese app, text back, i'm sick, not coming home tonight, i'm with a friend. that seems weird to the roommate. there is a text, a call. there is silence. they call again. tamerlan says you answer. if you say a word in chinese, he knows he's speaking in chinese, he might rat him out, i'll kill you. don't be stupid. danny says answering to someone talking to him in mandarin, in english, i'm sick, with a friend, i'm sorry, i've got to go. he's trying to think, where can i get out, when is my moment? lucky for danny, the car was running low on gas, had to stop at a gas station, double stroke of luck, wouldn't take the credit card. the younger brother has to go in to pay with cash. danny is alone with tamerlan. tamerlan has been on the run all day, he's killed an m.i.t. police officer five hours earlier, he puts his guard down for a second.
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puts the gun in the driver's side pocket of the suv and has both hands fiddling with the gps and danny realizes, if i get out, now is the chance. i have to unbuckle the seat belt, open the door and go in one swift motion. >> that is what he did. danny ran to a nearby gas station, got 911 call made and it was his iphone and his car satellite system that would eventually lead police to his stolen car and to those suspects. >> pale, bleeding, legs gone. it was this extremely graphic picture that sent shock waves across the world. you have seen this image. this is 27-year-old jeff bauman waiting for his girlfriend to cross the finish line, not a block from where i'm standing on boylston street. minutes later being wheeled away from the explosion site, legs severed, below the knee. and you see the guy on the left this is the man in the cowboy hat this is carlos arrendondo holding his artery as he ran alongside him, to try to slow
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the bleeding. in shock, his eyes haunted by what he had just experienced, and what he saw moments before the bomb went off. this jeff here came face to face with the man who had nearly taken his life. >> i was with my girlfriend's roommates and we were having a great time. we were watching the runners, everyone was having a great time. and just that one guy, you know, he didn't look like he was having a good time. so he was right next to me at that point. and he had a bag and he had his glasses, he had the -- like a leather sweatshirt type of deal and, you know, it is warm out. he's just an odd guy. just struck me odd. and that's what i remember of him. and then next thing you know, i hear fireworks and i'm on the ground, you know. actually when carlos picked me up and threw me into the wheelchair, then i was, like, all right, maybe i am going to make it.
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but before that, no way. i thought i was done. >> you bringing in the birthday gift for sydney corcoran, on her 18th birthday. tell us how that went. >> i had a bunch of stuff from costco, that's where i worked and they have been great. they brought me a bunch of electronic stuff, so i was, like, let's give her some gifts and bring some stuff down to her. >> what about when you found out that the guy you saw was run over, literally, by his brother? >> what i thought was, he's dead and i'm still here, you know? >> jeff bauman is now facing quite a pile of medical bills. so his friends have set up this website to help out. if you would like to donate, you can go to, bucks for bauman. and donnie wahlberg, he loves boston. and the men and women who protect his native city. he's the executive producer and narrator of the boston's finest, a reality show about the heroics of boston's police force.
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>> driving around the streets, i was home. dorchester now. this is where we grew up. me and my brothers and sisters. >> police work is inherently dangerous. >> pizza shop, same market, same stores. when i'm -- wahlbergs and police, we're usually on the opposite side. as much trouble as they treated us like kids in the neighborhood who were worthy of respect. >> actor, producer, singer, donnie wahlberg joins me live in new york. i wish you were standing next to me here on boylston street. it is a beautiful, beautiful friday afternoon. nice to have you on. >> thank you. i wish i was there with you too. ironically, the old south church right where the first bomb went off, just outside of it is where i studied theater in high school. and, i mean, boylston street, newbury street at this time of the year is the greatest place of the world.
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if i wasn't working in new york, i would be there right now. it is home. >> donnie, let me ask you this. i know you were tweeting, you know, so many people were, right after the bombs went off, making sure everyone you knew who might have been along the finish line was a-okay. is everyone okay, your loved ones? >> yes, my loved ones are great. my bandmate was running in the marathon. i was on set shooting blue bloods at the time. and just the night before, joe and i were talking, i said how long is it going to take you to run the race. he said, i'm hoping for four hours. he said four or five is my guess. i guess in the four mark of the race, everybody on the crew from blue bloods was started tapping me saying something happened in boston, do you know about it? i didn't know. i just thought it might have been a sewer explosion or something like that. no idea it would be a terrorist attack. but i immediately thought of joe and i said, wow, hopefully he made four hours because i looked at my watch and figured it is probably right around the time
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that i predicted he would be finishing and he just crossed five minutes earlier. so was okay. but unfortunately so many people were hurt and deaths and it is just -- it is just a horrific, horrific thing and horrific to see our city and the people of boston, you know in that situation, something that nobody could ever imagine such a scenario happening. >> i tell you though, donnie wahlberg, for two weeks, i was here the weekend before at a red sox game, i love this town. you bostonians are pretty tough, resilient crowd, especially thinking of boston's finest, i spoke to first spoerndresponder know some of them, a great group of men and women, can you talk about the people who wow york with, and just really they were the heroes last monday. >> yeah, we just -- ironically the last episode of boston's finest from season one aired wednesday after the attacks. everybody had been talking about the first responders and the men and women of the police department and how amazing they were. we knew and learned so much
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about them shooting the show, it -- we go into the lives, and on the job and off, of the men and women of the boston police department, the oldest police department in the united states, ironically. but we go into their lives and we learned so much about how courageous they are. everyday people like us. they go up in the neighborhoods and just down the street and they put their lives on the line every day to protect the streets they grew up in. but the amount of respect we gained for them shooting the show, i mean, was infinite. and now to see how they responded and to see how they stepped up when the city needed them so much at a level they never have been to. i mean, we have seen other police commissioners and other cities, you know, stepping up to the podium and dealing with the stuff and managing these crises, but to see commissioner davis with the world's eyes on him be so courageous and strong and all the men and women, i mean, bob burner, who is a veteran police officer, he's one of the featured guys in our show, and there he was, you know, outside the home and one of first guys there to get this guy out of the
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boat in the backyard. just amazing, and not surprising, though, because they are dedicated, professionals, committed and the finest. they have done our city proud. and in a time when our city needed them more than anyone could ever dream. >> let me play, donnie, a clip of your show to show our viewers, this is an incredibly moving visual tribute to boston's police force. this is from the show's season finale. here we go. ♪ ♪ >> so, donnie, as we look at these images, how will you, if this is, you know, a real show, boston's finest, how do you then incorporate and deal with the
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boston bombings on the show? >> well, that's a very tough question to answer. i mean, at this point, you know, we don't want to glorify anything that happened there. our concern as i'm sure the concern of tnt and the other executive producers and the boston police department is the care of victims now. the part of getting the bad guys has been done and now it is time to take care of the victims. so anything that is going to glorify what happened, it is going to be very delicate to do. i think maybe what -- maybe something that is more likely for us to focus on is the preparation for next year's marathon because nothing is going to stop that marathon from happening. nothing is going to stop the city of boston from rising up and coming together and celebrating that day next year, honoring the victims and celebrating the great history of our city and the boston police department is going to play a huge part in that. so i think that would be something we would be more likely to focus on. it would be impossible to not acknowledge what happened, but we don't want to glorify it and
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take advantage of it in that light. we'll figure it out. it is going to be delicate. >> okay. okay. and finally, i can't talk to you without talking about new kids on the block. you got a gig in boston in june. i imagine there will be a little something special for people here in boston. >> we're planning something special already for our concert and also been talking to everyone back in boston now about planning something special, a special event with a lot of other legendary boston artists and we're putting it together now so it is a little early to talk about it, but something very special is going to be announced very soon to do in honor of the victims and to help raise money for them and their families. very special. >> donnie wahlberg, thank you so much. we'll be -- thank you so much for talking to me. i'm sure your city will be glad to have you back. >> enjoy boston. enjoy it. >> i will. we will. and speaking of, i'm going to talk to some of the fine people behind me who are paying tribute at this makeshift memorial that
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i'm brooke baldwin live on boylston street. this area was just reopened after being a crime scene for the better part of a week and a half. this is where you normally see us. you can see the media presence here as we have been covering both local and national, what happened here two mondays ago at the finish line, just in front of the boston public library that way. walk with me. i'll show you, you can see a lot of people have come down here to gather and see this makeshift memorial. we have some little ones and some parents. and as we walk through here, let me begin with this. there are a couple of crosses here, part me, excuse me. little crosses for the four lives lost. the three who were killed from those two explosions two mondays ago. and, of course, the m.i.t. police officer who was shot and killed in his police cruiser.
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i've been here every day for the last couple of days and this memorial continues to grow and grow. you have flowers and teddy bears, beautiful flowers, forgive me, excuse me, some art has been popping up. and over here, if i can just see this on the fly, live, people are coming by, plenty of sharpies because people want to, whether they're from boston, whether they know folks here at the finish line or just want to pay their own respects, they are. just reading, may i ask you a quick question? where are you from? >> boston. >> you're from boston. and why are you here? >> because we knew some people here. >> you're about to write a message. what are you thinking about writing? >> pray for boston. >> pray for boston. thank you so much. stay strong, boston, from the morgan family. blessings to all families. there are so many notes scrolled all over here. now spilled over on to the wood. let me get down, three blocks away. sirens shouting in midday sun,
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people rushing toward one another to show why we call boston home. god bless you, chicago is with you. god bless, and help heal boston from summerville. summerville across the river. just a couple of some of the messages that are being written from people here and let me walk just over here, because glen, you're here from monterey, california. >> that's right. >> are you just in boston because you just so happened to be here for fun, for work? >> actually here visiting a friend, but definitely had to come down here and see this. >> and is this the first time you've been down at the memorial site? >> it is, yeah. pretty powerful. >> it is powerful. it is tough to almost express to people what it feels like, what it looks like. have you had a chance to talk to people, what is your sense of this area? >> well, i haven't yet. i'm actually just getting here. just, you know, reading the messages on the board, it is pretty powerful.
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there is a lot of bad people in the world. it is obvious there are way more good people who are going to, you know, come together and get through times like this. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. again, flowers, down here. a lot of tennis shoes, lots and lots of tennis shoes. we saw dr. jill biden, the vice president was here wednesday, for the memorial service for officer sean collier. and so dr. biden stopped by and she actually tied a pair of tennis shoes up on some of these barricades and these are the actual barricades that were used during the marathon. so they're up here right now. and who knows how long this memorial will actually be here in the heart of the back bay, in the heart of boylston street. it continues to remain and people continue to come down here, take pictures, pause, reflect, as the city continues to heal. we're back after this. at tyco integrated security, we consider ourselves business optimizers. how? by building custom security solutions that integrate video,
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when you think about what happened here two mondays ago, with the marathon, and you sort
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of say thank goodness for the cameras here to capture these bombing suspects who were eventually singled out, who were singled out during this boston marathon down at the finish line. but could cameras have stopped the suspects if they had made it to new york in their alleged plan to bring terror to times square? sort of city cameras. the people who run new york city are betting yes. they want more surveillance cameras. here's what new york mayor michael bloomberg said earlier this week. >> you have to understand that in the world going forward, we're going to have more cameras and that kind of stuff. that's good in some senses, but it is different than what we are used to. >> want you to listen closely to what he said next. roll it. >> and the people who worried about privacy have a legitimate
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worry, but we live in a complex world where you're going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. and our laws and interpretation of the constitution, i think, have to change. >> want to bring in cnn legal analyst sunny hostin. so, sunny, we just heard mayor bloomberg say, quote/unquote, our laws. and our interpretation of the constitution, i think, have to change. that's a big statement. with the surveillance cameras, can they have that big an impact on our privacy? >> well, no question about it. this has been a debate that has been going on for quite some time, post 9/11, because we know that new york was probably the first city to implement these cameras everywhere, not only just watching traffic violations, or violators, but also watching our streets for suspicious packages and that sort of thing. and sort of known as the ring of steel because there are thousands of cameras all over new york. and since this happened, you
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know, there has been that balancing question, people are saying, i have my fourth amendment right, my right to privacy. i don't want that infringed because of these security concerns. but i've got to tell you, brooke, it doesn't come close to me legally, because i don't know you have this expectation of privacy outside in the street. and even if you did, isn't it more important to keep our streets, our people, our country safe? and so i understand where mayor bloomberg is coming from. but i don't even think it is a close call. you just don't have that expectation of privacy outside in the street. >> well, you know, you're around new york and times square. you think of all the surveillance cameras there, london tops that. london is considered most watched city in the world, far more surveillance cameras even than manhattan. have all the cameras, though, have they made any real difference in privacy or in solving crime, though? what about facts? >> it depends who you speak to. some people say absolutely.
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absolutely. once people feel safer, and, two, people are safer. there has been a decrease in certain crimes. and then you have other people that are saying, i feel like big brother is watching me. and that's such a significant trade-off. again, i don't believe that there is that expectation of privacy. and even if there were that expectation, my goodness, don't we want to be safe from terrorism, don't we want to be safe in our, you know, in our country? >> sunny hostin, you make a good point. sunny, thank you very much, for me in new york today. the suspects accused of carrying out the boston bombings, they were not on the terror watch list. a list that has over 700,000 names on it. so the question is this, does the terror watch list work? does it need an overhaul? how is this supposed to work in the first place? back with our special coverage here in boston in a moment. when our little girl was born,
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before april 15th, tamerlan tsarnaev's name was on a virtual alphabet soup of terror lists. he was on this particular list, an updated form of the treasury enforcement communications system or tecs. he was on the watch list of the fbi tsc and was named on tide, for terrorist identities data mart environment. yet with all of these lists, with hundreds of thousands of people on these lists, apparently no agency was aware this older brother had returned to the united states from russia in july of last year. homeland security secretary janet napolitano talked about
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this issue before senate committee. >> i think the fact there senator is that the fbi text alert on him at that point was more than a year old and had expired. >> not only have we learned that tamerlan tsarnaev himself was listed on this tide list, so was his mother. joining us from memphis is fill mudd from the new american foundation. he used to be counterterrorism official for the fbi and cia. and, mr. mudd, welcome. now that we know that this elder slain brother and his mother were both on this tide list, let me back up and ask you, how should lists like this work in the first place? >> you're talking about two different things here. one is an identity list that is if you're an analyst and want to understand everything that the u.s. government might know about someone that is vaguely suspected of being involved in
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terrorist activity, that's tide. a big list of people, not necessarily a watch list, it is hundreds of thousands of people, about whom you might have some suspicion. separate from that is something like a watch list for aircraft, that is someone you might say is no fly, that person cannot get on an aircraft, because they have been identified as a known terrorist. there are fairly few numbers of people on that second list. >> i'm looking down at my notes on this list. approximately 700,000 people, though some could be, you know, duplicates, variations of spelli spellings, et cetera, some nefarious, some entirely innocent. how can, you know, authorities with so many people on one list keep track of it all? >> they keep track of it by setting standards for the people that you want to put on that list, but, remember too, those people aren't necessarily considered to be terrorists. those people aren't the same ones that you necessarily want to insist cannot get on an aircraft. those are people who might have tripped a wire a couple of years
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ago, put information like date of birth, you know, over time if an analyst wants to look up whatever the u.s. government knows about someone that was vaguely suspicious years ago, they can go to the tide list. let's separate out a watch list and a list that simply is a compilation of identity information about suspected people. >> so then, with, let's say this tide list, which we knew tamerlan tsarnaev and his mother was on, what is the red flag let's say for anyone on the list what is the red flag for investigators to say something is not right here? >> i would say violence, something that suggests the person is about to commit a crime or contemplating committing a crime. you're asking the right question now, and we're three minutes into it. that's the problem with the conversation across america the past few days. the question is, even if this person's name were tripped and you went to talk to him what is he going to tell you? i'm going to visit my family. you're going to ask him maybe about what happened, the conversations when the fbi talked to him a while ago. he's going to say i visited my
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family before, yeah, i look at stuff on the internet, i believe in america, i believe in american values. my question would be not whether he's on a list, but if he tripped it, what would you have done? >> right. well, i'm glad we got to that question. we're all sort of sorting through what the lists signify, how they're supposed to work and what the red flags are. phil mudd, i appreciate you for helping us understand this issue now. and speaking of this investigation, we are now hearing what crews are looking for in this land fill near the surviving suspect's college dorm, umass dartmouth. that revelation. plus, a debate here in boston over what to do with the older suspect's body.
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welcome back to boston. i'm brooke baldwin. cnn has just learned investigators again are
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searching this land fill. this is a land fill at umass dartmouth. this is where he was spotted just after the bombings two mondays ago. earlier this week, investigators were there, they were scouring for receipts. this time they're looking specifically for his laptop. dzhokhar tsarnaev is now 40 miles from where i stand in boston, in this prison, because overnight, cloak of darkness, he was moved from beth israel deaconess in boston here to the federal prison camp that holds detainees who also need medical care. all the while, his brother's body is still sitting at the medical examiner's office. it is still unclaimed. a week and a half after his death. the muslim community here in the greater boston area, they're split on whether tamerlan tsarnaev deserves a proper muslim funeral. earlier, jake tapper and i spoke to two different imams here in boston. one says he should.
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one says he shouldn't. >> this man is a murderer, okay? he killed people in cold bl and i'm not saying that to please anyone, to please people. i'm standing on the rules and the teachings of islam, where the koran considered the killing of innocent person is equal to the killing of the whole of mankind. >> while he was student, fellow imam said he would support a muslim funeral. coming up, kevin cullen joining me with a nice guest here, this is edzo kelly, tower ladder 17. we're talking after this quick break. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
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and this is just exactly how they have chosen to do it now that boylston street has been reopened. but memories of terror here, what is it now two weeks, two weeks, still remain. boston globe columnist kevin cullen is with me and first responder edzo kelly join me here as well. gentlemen, good to see you. >> gentlemen? >> gentlemen. i feel like we're thick as thieves now, i've seen you so much here. edzo, you're based, a stone's throw -- >> columbus. >> take me back to two mondays ago. >> my wife was running the marathon. and i had my kids at the firehouse. i was working that night. when i was finished working, she was going to take the kids home. my company is ladder 17, sounds like one are coming down the street now. when my wife, she was right here at boylston and berkeley, made it to the firehouse, i grab the
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my gear, we grabbed our gear, and ran up here. and just in the time it took us -- they did such a good job between the doctors and nurses, firefighters, police officers and emts on scene, and all the great citizens that stepped up that day, that they had all the victims already in the triage tent, being worked on and transported to the hospital. >> you said it was the victims' courage that so many of your colleagues were stunned by. >> i talked to lieutenant joe roach, ladder 15, on marathon monday, up here on boylston, they were on top of it. and joe told me what struck him was the courage of the victims, they were very brave that day. and we want them to know that we were with you on marathon monday and we'll be with you for the language haul. we' we're with you. we're boston strong and we're proud of you. >> kevin cullen, you've been writing pieces for the globe. you're over mentioning these two
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suspects. you're over it. >> i can't wait -- first of all, great i can't pronounce their names because it is going to make it a lot easier to forget them. we'll hear a lot about these guys. but i don't want to hear about them. let somebody else worry about them. i want people to remember names like eddie kelly, i want people to remember names like shawn o'brien, tommy campbell, those are firefighters who ran towards the bomb. i want them to remember the names of the women from district 4, the police station who dove toward the crowd after the bombs went off. i want them to remember all those names, the ems guys that drove in there. and i want them to remember the names of the cops in watertown, mass state police, watertown pd, boston pd, remember danniely yn ski. we saw them, you've never been more proud of those guys. remember dan lynnski's name, billy evans, danny keilar, all these names, forget those other names. >> i was sitting with you last night in dorchester. i think one thing we can share
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from the conversation is we were talking about some of the first responders and the firefighter who hasn't gotten out yet who still is picking the blood from his fingernails. >> he was that first night. he has gotten out. these guys take care of their own. the firefighters in this town take care of their own. the busiest cop this week in boston is the great sergeant, named brian fleming. he runs the stress unit and he'll help anybody. that's the other thing we want to get out to first responders. it ain't weakness. if you're feeling it a week later, two weeks later, get help. eddie's people are fabulous. the fire department -- >> they're getting help. >> they are. we're all in this together. that's the message. everyone is hurt. we were attacked. but they could never beat us. you can't rock our -- you can't wake us up, we're coming to get you. if you're going to kill innocent women and children, in this city, you better get ready to duck. we're coming to get you. and to quote david ortiz --
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>> we can't quote him. we can't quote him. >> the message is loud and clear, though. >> on that note, there is really nothing i can say. we'll be right back here in boston. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> can't repeat that. can't repeat that. ♪ constipated? yeah. mm. some laxatives like dulcolax can cause cramps. but phillips' caplets don't. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. i don'without goingcisions to angie's list first. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
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here in boston, on this friday, many of us here at cnn, producers, photographers,
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reporters, anchors, we have been here basically since two mondays ago. and so manufactuy of us have tao people touched by the tragedy at the marathon finish line. want to share one moment with you, with a veteran firefighter here in boston, specifically in dorchester, named charlie buchanan jr. and here was part of his story. >> i saw little girl, another guy grabbed, her leg was severed on the right leg. and behind her was a little person that had to be this little boy that they talked about. and we couldn't do anything for him. his name was martin. and we put a sheet over him, just out of respect for him. >> so you knew -- >> we went back to work -- >> you knew immediately when you saw that little boy, he wasn't going to make it. >> he was dead, yes, ma'am. he was dead. >> was that little girl who you
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saw, was part of her leg missing, was she able to talk to you or was she just crying? >> the little girl that was actually, i believe, a mass port firefighter had her and we stopped an ambulance and the ambulance was full. but we said, you have to take this girl. and they were great. they were boston ems. and this firefighter said, you know, she needs a tourniquet, we got a tourniquet small enough -- her leg is my -- as big as your arm, all right? so they put her inside the ambulance, but as you say, the only thing that i could see and see to this day were her little eyes looking up at me. that's it. all right. and me thinking, thinking about my own grandson, malachi.
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and my malachi is the same age as this young girl, who is 6 years old, who is -- first thing he did was give me a big hug when i went home. >> you're thinking of malachi as you're looking into this little girl's eyes. you describe this day as a bad day, charlie. you have been doing this for 40 years. >> yes, ma'am. >> was it the worst day you've ever seen? >> it is the worst day of my career, yes, it is. i can still see this little girl, i still see the little boy. i know people that know this little boy. he is the boston resident, all right? he doesn't live far from this firehouse. that our designer ♪ ♪ sunglasses be foggin' ♪ this crowd is classic ♪ so we play 'em like rachmaninoff ♪ ♪ just hooked 'em up with score alerts ♪ ♪now we're about to set it off ♪set it off like a score alert ♪ beep beep what? ♪if you set your phone to vibrate ♪ ♪ then it might alert your button flies all the ♪ ♪ girls and the guys wanna keep that credit score ♪
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before i go, let me tell you this, folks are a little on edge today, not in boston. i mean new york city, after investigators revealed the suspected marathon bombers were on their way to attack times square. it is especially chilling today for the hero vendor who helped stop that bombing in 20 10. richard roth caught up with him and got his take on this latest terror plot. >> reporter: brooke, i'm here in the crossroads of the world, times square. new york city keeps a closer eye than ever on people here in times square. there are security cameras from new york city police, from various hotels, that totally are around the whole zone. of course, three years ago, a
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man tried to blow up a car inside times square. duane jackson was here at that time. you were the one who saw this van smoking. how did you notice that? >> well, you know, i've been here 15 years, and in this business you always keep your eyes open because you never know what's going on in new york city. >> what do you think of the latest report that the boston bombers might have come here spontaneously to detonate something? >> it certainly sebd sends a c down my back, partially because i was fortunate to graduate from boston university and lived there for four years. but the incident we had here on may 1st was another indication that our enemies are right here with us, and unfortunately, you know, my heart goes out to the people in boston, especially the graduate student who lost her life. >> reporter: and the smoking van was across the street? >> yes, it was right across the street, the keys were inside of it. the car was running, which is one of the main things that got my curiosity up. and it used to be a bank across the street. so when i saw the car running and walked over to it, not
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knowing exactly what the contents that were in that car at that particular time, but who leaves the car running on a quarter to 7:00 on a beautiful saturday evening in times square? >> reporter: well, that, of course furthers the policy of new york, if you see something, say something. the victims at beth israel hospital no longer haunted by his presence. i'm jake tapper and this is "the lead." the boston bombing suspect now in prison, moved to a federal hospital. behind the walls of an old military fort, half a world away his parents are on the move too, but not to the u.s. he was maimed for life in boston but he helped put authorities hot on the trail of the suspects. hear what he saw when he looked into the face of tamerlan tsarnaev moments before the blast. and we knew him only as danny. the man who police say was carjacked bth