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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening everyone. we'll have the latest on the new prince, that tonight and first breaking news and no prince charming in it. anthony wiener, the sexting congressman running for mayor of new york admitting to sending additional sexually explicit messages a year after stepping down from congress and not long about his new son and family life in "people magazine." he did this after he resigned and apologized to constituents and wife and speaking of his wife huma, she was by his side
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when he spoke to reporters today. >> some of these things happened before my resignation, some after. that was also the time my wife and i were working through things in our marriage. >> the explicit messages were sent on form spring that were published. he was using the online handle carlos danger. what had him keeping at it after it wrecked his career and strained his marriage. we have a sexting expert later but first dana bash as the latest. >> you covered the weiner scandal when it broke, did you ever think you would see what you saw today? >> no, i mean, not a chance. fi first of all, let's go back in time. i can't believe what happened happened at the time. but certainly, knowing the people close to him and knowing the people around them, it seemed very clear that this was his wife giving him a second chance, and that he was going to therapy and dealing with it.
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what was one of the many things that was extraordinary about the press conference, huma abedin r revealed herself it was a year ago he did this. >> our marriage, like others, has had ups and downs. it took a lot of work and a whole lot of therapy to get to a place where i could forgive antho anthony. it was not an easy choice in any way, but i made the decision that it was worth staying in this marriage. >> so, dana, i mean, the timing of this, i'm assuming it means he was sending these explicit messages to other people while his wife was pregnant and after his child was born, is that correct? >> it certainly seems that way. if you sort of do the math going back to when he resigned in the
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first place, huma, that was when she revealed she was pregnant, first pregnant in the first try most trimester. he was sending it in july of 2012 and their son was born in 2011. we don't know for sure those are the dates but he did ever clear it happened well into last year. >> there are obviously, when this press conference ended and they were walking away, one reporter was kind of yelling out why should anybody trust you, and it was a question he didn't answer. you know huma abedin personally, how is it for her to speak publicly like this? >> she's very well respected. she's almost like chief and madonna and the rest of the world, she's known as huma because she's such a fixture in hillary clinton's circle, she has been for decades. there is a lot written about how private she is.
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she is also incredibly politically sophisticated. she also was the go-to person for anyone who wanted to get to hillary clinton, which means that she had to be one of the most discerning, savvy figures in politics, so we have to remember that about her, as well. >> must be an extraordinarily did i have cut day for h difficult day for her. prince william and kathryn giving the young prince of cram bridge his first look. it's paparazzi and cell phone cameras. the prince won't say his first words for awhile so for the first interview, he let mom and dad do the talking. >> he has a good pair of lungs on him, that's for sure. he's a big boy, quite heavy. we're still working on a name. we'll have that as soon as we can. the first time we've seen him really, so having a proper chance to catch up.
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very emotional. >> yeah, it's very emotional. it's such a special time. i think any parent, i think probably, knows what this feeling feels like. >> it's very special. >> i'll remind him of your tireness when he's older. hopefully you-all can get back to normal and we can look after him. he has her looks, thankfully. >> no, no, no. [ laughter ] >> wait and see. wait and see. we're done already?
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he's got way more than me, thank god. thank you. >> a short time later the royal family left carrying the car seat leaving the same way he did with his mother princess dianna three decades ago. they rode home in a black suv to the palace. the country celebrating. let's go to max foster outside buckingham palace. describe the mood outside st. marys hospital when will and kate stepped out with their son for the first time. >> it was electric. i have to say. we've been waiting so long for this moment, obviously, not as long as kate and william. they were at the heart of it. it was a huge crowd outside, journalist gathered for one, some people two weeks. it was a truly electric atmosphere and we were getting briefings from the palace what to expect when. there was anticipation. i've never seen such a vast press pack. you have the camera going in one
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direction. so interesting to have a camera on the other side of the street because it was just endless, you couldn't see the end of it. a bank of cameras and photographers and journalist. right while they were talking as they come out of here. that in many ways would be william's worst nightmare, but he was relaxed and smiling, that huge smile on his face and the duchess she looked relaxed and the baby seemed happy. there are pictures of him crying, but i was right there. he wasn't crying alod. this is a family that's bonded. after the baby was born, they had a four-hour gap before they announced it. that was to the frustration of journalist there but they were trying to have a bit of time together. they didn't have visitors until today. this was just the three of them and he stayed overnight. so i think william's priority and kate's priority is to create a little family unit, and she was brought up in that. his little family unit was sort
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of, obviously, hit very hard when his mother died and he wants to ever sure this little boy has a perfect little family. >> it's interesting, max, because it was carefully choreographed there, the passing of the baby from kate to william and putting the baby -- the baby was put in a car seat outside and william brought him around to the car and drove off in the vehicle together. it was all very thought out, very sweet but these things are all planned, yes? >> yeah, i mean, we were told exactly what was going to happen. apart from their handing the baby over, but you can see the way they were doing that. that could have been planned, as well. that was exactly what we expected to happen. that's often the case for them. they plan what they will do. this is what -- how kate looks so relaxed and so in control because she plans what she's going to do. she thinks about what she is going to do. but i think there was a bit of emotion there, as well, with kate and that's the first time i've seen that with her where
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she's -- understandable, of course. this is a big, big moment for them, and to have that little boy exposed to that, you know, media is so symbolic and says so much about the world he's being born into. >> seeing william driving off, actually driving the vehicle himself, that's something i don't think i've ever seen before from a member of the royal family. certainly, you don't see charles driving his own car. >> no, and crucially he didn't have to do it. he has staff that could have done it for him. when my boy was born i was scared about driving him for the very first time and putting him in the car seat even. i would have gladly had a driver drive me home. he wanted to do that, and as you say, they thought about everything, so that was similar l -- symbolic. it's about them doing it their way. they keep control of their lives and keep a sense of normality by doing everything their own way.
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him carrying the car seat, putting it in. him being there overnight and not having lots of visitors and aids around him. it was all about them having their unit, but it says a lot about modern monarchy because it wouldn't have happened that way 30 years ago, although they didn't need car seats then. >> it really was kind of interesting to watch the symbols of the modernization of the monarchy through this appearance today. >> it was. looking at william was wearing, i know that seems super official but when dianna and charles came out, charles was suited up. charles is dressed for his position. you rarely see him in cause well clothes and again, william is showing this modern world which we live, how the monarchy is adopting to be included. he's chilled and cause well and the fact he was so hands on
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leaving the hospital. dianna was keen for him to have played -- and do things his friends did and we saw that play out today in the sense that his friends walk out of the hospital with their wives carrying the car seats and drive their new family home. >> and we're looking at these pictures of 31 years ago, the exact same steps as well yum his self-was introduced to the world himself. hard to believe he's now a dad. >> i know. it was 31 years ago. you can't believe time goes so quickly, and i don't think anyone would have watched this couple come down the stairs today with their little bundle and not have thought of dianna and charles coming down with baby william. they were following very famous steps but as max and victoria pointed out, this is a new modern royal family. they are doing things differently. william and kate already paved the way for this future monarch that will lead us to a different century, different times. >> in terms of naming of the baby. how -- what is that process? >> it took seven days to release
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william's day back in the day and a month to release charles' name. i don't think william will ever us wait that long. it was quite interesting that he said to the press you can go back to doing what you do, while we take care of the baby. so he's going to be keen for everything to get quieted down. i think we'll have a name by thursday or friday when the queen heads out. >> and victoria, kate middleton's the duchess parents visited before prince charles and camilla parker both. >> it was purely scheduling. charles being the generation that he is, it was duty, duty, duty, don't disappoint anyone, do the job at hand and wiz down to london as quickly as possible. >> kate and william have a respectful understanding the role of the press, william joked when his son is older he has to remind his son of his tardiness because how long reporter s had to camp outside. that's something obviously he's
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grown up in the public eye and it's in a way sympathetic to reporters, but at the same time wanting his own privacy. >> yeah, it's been a difficult relationship with the press for william and for his younger brother harry, of course, because what happened to their mother but i think things are moving on. it's a better relationship particularly with the british press, and i'm not sure it will ever be amicable but both william and kate accept and appreciate there is a demand for information and pictures, and what we'll see going forward how it will be balanced and managed. they have good private secretaries, an experienced team and there has to be a happy compromise and i think it will be found. >> max, where do they go from here? their apartment, i guess, is not ready yet. >> apartment is not ready. that will be their family home. it a big, grand apartment, effectively a manage part of the palace.
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that will be ready in the autumn. they are staying in a two-bedroom cottage on the grounds, not really a family home. i expect they will end up in buckle but that will be a private space. they enjoyed their time there. i think kate will certainly want her mom involved once the family unit bonded properly. there is something interesting about the palace. they are taking their baby there. i talked to a palace aid when prince henry moved in and william wanted prince harry in the palace this month you got a team, the team that katy is talking about, that fantastic team of private secretaries and private secretaries are really good at their job and he's created a little court there, william, in the palace and this really solidified it today. once they got their home and staff around from them and moved around from prince charles and all that, you will see their
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little machine taking shape, and it really is kate, william and harry. they have been seen as a three some and work together and now there is a prince involved as well. next, more on the hunting parallels between young kathryn and dianna and how the woman would be her daughter-in-law setting herself apart. huma abedin standing beside a man that embarrassed her once. what will she go through, more ahead. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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"first day of my life" by bright eyes you're not just looking for a house.
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you're looking for a place for your life to happen. introducing their new son to the world the royal couple gave credit where credit is due. >> he's got her looks thankfully. >> no, no, no. >> it's fit income a way because so many people said william bares a striking resemblance to
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his mother. if you're a certain age, you can't help but have the memory,s parallel between now and when another young couple was coming home from the same hospital. more on them from them and now. >> there is the new baby. >> reporter: britain's newest prince was introduce in a manner that may seem familiar. >> iconic when william and diane new appeared there. >> reporter: 31 years ago dianna and prince charles coming down the steps to introduce their royal baby, prince william. >> may we see your son, your roy royal? >> all eyes on kathryn today like princess dianna 31 years ago. both new mothers in polka dot dresses, kathryn in blue, dianna in green. >> such a special time. i think any parent, i think,
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probably knows what this feeling feels like. >> reporter: this is not the first time she's become paired to princess dianna. take a good look at these pictures. notice anything similar. that's princess dianna in milan in 2005 and kate in 200 8, both in the same color pink. >> a lot of people ask is kate trying to dress like dianna? i don't think so. she's too smart to i'm late an icon like dianna. >> reporter: that's what she's doing despite similar outfits and headlines like this one, suggesting she is dianna 2.0. unlike dianna, kate has a confidence about her for good reason. she's known her prince for years. they attended university together and lived together. dianna and prince charles dated for only six months before he proposed, and their interest
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could not have been more different. the blushing bride seems so uncomfortable around her prince she earned the nickname shy di. >> there isn't that shy mouse rabbit in the headlight looks that we saw with dianna who finally broke down under the pressure of all of this, even before the wedding at a polo match. but there is none of that. kate is confident because she has the support of william and she has the support of the royal family who have learned from the mistakes. >> reporter: the duchess of cambridge has the advantage of age and maturity. she was nine years older than dianna was on her wedding day. she's also five months older than william. dianna was 13 years younger than prince charles. but despite their differences, the two women will inevitably continue to be compared, especially now. kathryn and dianna both mothers to the future kings of england.
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randi kaye, cnn new york. >> amazing to see it side by side like that. i want to explore the parallels of it more with ilona marks. thanks for being with us. you were a friend of the late princess dianna. when you saw the royal couple today with their newborn baby, what was your first reaction? >> my first reaction is how sad dianna wasn't here to share the wonderful, wonderful moment, anderson. she would have been so proud and over joyed. i know that she's here in spirit. >> she must -- i mean, as you said, she would be so extraordinarily proud about how both of her sons have turned out. >> oh, she would be absolutely delighted, and she is delighted, and the fact that william has done such a great job. he's doing everything perfectly and with catherine by his side
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and catherine by his side and all her one on one with william and william's confident all these years would have worked out so well, so perfectly today. >> do you think -- i mean, do you see dianna's influence on these two young men about how they live their lives, the choices they ever, the careers they pursue d, the life they live? oh my gosh, it's such an enormous influence of dianna on both william and harry. all her day to day conversations with them, sharing with them, and teaching them how to be the royals for the next generation. dianna ensured william will be the perfect king for our generation for the next generation, to all his two billion subjects worldwide and she has brought him into the modern era in a way in which it
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would not have been done by anybody else. she's done a magnificent job and the fact that william is performing so perfectly. another thing, anderson, dianna would be so proud of william and incredibly correct choice he made in catherine and her family. it's working out so well and i suspect the press will have the most marvelous love affair with them and harry and particularly the new modern heir. >> there is a risk growing up in the bubble that william and harry grew up in and yet, they both seem to have whether i assume it was really dianna's influence but they seem to have figured outweighs to pierce the bubble and be in touch with people from all different walks of life. even their carp reaeers and ser in the military puts them in contact with regular people every single day. >> oh, yes, absolutely.
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dian dianna's influence 100% and everything is thought out so carefully and wonderful with william's future role as king and military career which is impeccable and catherine and she has an arthur history degree which will be incredible with her assistance with william for the future and also, the fact they are doing things in such a normal way in such an abnormal setting, in such a crazy world setting and the fact that they are able to satisfy the media and then go back and have a wonderful private, normal family life with the middleton family, who obviously have been enormously protective as well as william. i think this is a huge formula for incredible success and dianna, i know, would be beaming from ear to ear that every little thing day in and out and all the time she spent with william and all the teaching in his future role as king.
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she would be so delighted and so proud of him, and she would say good job will and give him english high five. >> thank you so much for being on. wonderful to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you very much, indeed, great on nhonor. anthony wiener admitted he was still sexting more than a year after he resigned from congress but not dropping out of the new york mayoral race. he's been down this road before. an incredibly close call for two divers who almost became dinner for hump back whales. tonight, i'll talk to the divers ahead.
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welcome back, more on tonight's breaking news. new york mayoral candidate anthony wiener with his wife by his side admitting to sending auditidditional actually explic text messages, it surfaced on the website "the dirty.com". >> these things did were wrong and hurtful to my wife and causedtous go through many challenges in our marriage that extended past my resignation from congress. while some of the things posted today are true and some are not, this is no question that what i did was wrong. this behavior is behind me. i apologizeed to my wife, huma,
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and i'm grateful she has worked through these issues with me, and that i had her forgiveness. >> one of the most extraordinary moments came when huma abedin herself took the mike and backed her husband. >> anthony has made some horrible mistakes. those before resigned from congress and after, but i do strongly believe that is between us and our marriage. >> well, to some people it was a big dose of deja vu. you may remember when the scandal first broke in late may of 2011. weiner flat out denied he tweeted a man of under pants. he said his twitter account was hacked and stuck to that and backed off a little and said he couldn't be sure if the photo was of him or not. >> you will not flat out deny that photograph is you? >> i will say we're trying to figure out exactly what happened here. >> this is strange. you can't tell me definitively
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that is a photo of you or not? >> look, i'm reluctant to say to you definitively anything about this. >> is there a picture out there of you in your drawers that you are worried about that you can't defend what you say that it's not you -- >> here we've been sitting down a brief moment and you're already asking if there are pictures of me in my drawers. >> and there were. with photos, weiner came clean in front of the cameras. >> over the past few years, i have engage in several inappropriate conversations conducted over twitter, facebook, e-mail and occasionally on the phone with women i met online. i exchanged messages and photos of an explicit nature with about six women over the last three years. for the most part, these communications took part before my marriage but some have took place after. to be clear, i have never met any of these women or had physical relationships at any time. >> ten days later, weiner
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resigned. i want to bring in gloria and relationship expert and host of love lines. let's talk about when this timeline is. he left congress in 2011 so it seemed like it was going on for a long time after that. >> he didn't give, he nor huma gave an exact date when it happened but happened after he resigned. if you believe "the dirty.com" the website that posted this initially, it said the exchanges he posted which were explicit at times happened in july, august of 2012, a year ago and a full year after he resigned. that really is what is shocking. people who have covered him and who have covered his attempt to take his career and sources who i've been talking to here in washington who knew him very saying you've got to be kidding
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me. you know, they thought this this was his chance at a second chance, many of whom told me that they thought he was trying to do it too soon but this is just unbelievable. he went through the very difficult scandal with him two years ago. >> and gloria, i mean, you can't under estimate the importance of having huma abedin by his side today, correct? >> no, you really can't. it was stunning to hear her speak. you know, a lot of times we hear the good wife. we don't -- we see her but we don't hear her. today we heard from huma. she was very direct. she said i have forgiven him, and i believe in him. so a wife can really be a very strong character witness. voters in new york will be asking is running for mayor another part of couple's therapy, or is this somebody we can trust, whose judgment we can trust? maybe he needs more time to work it out with his wife, and his
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family and not also try to be the mayor of a big city like new york. >> simon, as you look at this through the lens of a psychosexual therapist, what do you ever of this? he's been through therapy and put this behind them as of a year ago. is it that easy? is that something you stop doing? >> no, you have to have treatment for a long time but his language gives us indication of how much work he needs to do on himself. he said he cause add stress on his marriage. what causes a stress on your hard rage marriage is not taking the garbage out, not what he did. [ laughter ] >> when he talks about when i made a mistake, he's talking like a cogtive process. he's not using the sex addictive and recovery language where he would be talking about i seeked forgiveness. don't forget, sex addicts know
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they are in pain and feel bad about it. i can't see him feeling bad about it. >> is this some sort of compulsive -- i mean that word addiction is thrown around a lot and whether or not there is sexual addiction, is this some sort of compulsive behavior? what goes into this? >> it could be acting out, it could be thrill seeking, power, hungry, you know, acting out in itself. we don't know whether it's that or he has an addiction. we're saying he's ruining his poll l political career and he's not showing remorse. i would love to call him a sex addict because guess what? there is more chance of him recovering and the marriage staying strong if he is. if he's a narcissist, there
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isn't. because he'll continue doing what he wants. >> people are willing to give people a second chance. >> sure. >> i guess now the question is, is this a third chance that people would be giving him? will people buy sort of this latest story, which is basically a new one? >> well, you know, i think voters anywhere don't like to be fooled. they are willing to forgive and we talk about the politics of redemption and all the rest of that, but the notion here is that weiner, while he sort of vaguely eluded to the fact early on that there were other women, the timeline of this, as dana pointed out, is so important because the feeling was after he left the congress, he was working on his life. he was working on getting his head back on straight, and now we discover for another year, he was still sexting. and new yorkers may say you know what? you probably tried to get away with this without telling us all the details until it was put on
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a website and they probably won't like that. >> he's a formittble campaigner, though, right, dana. >> he is and for lack of a better word of saying it very, very stub burn. back to two years ago he didn't admit or come out he sent these pictures and texts and resigned the next day. it was weeks and after many, many phone calls from the closest confidence from closest friends, saying enough already anthony, get out. and him saying no, i'm not going to go. it frustrated them and a story that went on and on. it would not be surprising if he stays in for awhile, even at the end and let the voters decide based on the way he was so determined to stay in, even in the face of unbelievable pressure from even his closest friends two years ago. >> thanks very much. good to have you on. thank you very much. >> sure. the ntsb steps in to figure out why the nose gear of that southwest airlines flight
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tonight a close encounter of the huge kind, scuba divers off the coast of california got the shock of their lives and caught it on camera. sean and two friends were diving when two hump back whales chasing a skull of fish jumped out of the water. i'll speak with sean in a moment. he was filming under water as his friend filmed from the boat but first, look at the incredible video. [ laughter ] >> holey [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ laughter ] [ bleep ]. >> oh my god. >> it is amazing. sean and the other diver francis made it back to the boat safe, shook up. they join me live from
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california. sean, the video is amazing. i've seen it so many times. watching that video, it gives close call a whole new meaning. did you have any idea there were whales in the area? >> we knew that there were whales in the area, but, you know, they were three quarters of a mile to a mile away from us. so we had no idea those two had snuck in and decided to take a meal right from underneath us. >> sean, there is a moment on the video when you see a skull of fish, i don't know if those are sardines or kril or whatever -- >> anchovy i think. >> they must have sensed there were predators there. >> right, well like you said, i had my face down in the water and the anchovy swam underneath me going horizontally and all of a sudden, they changed direction
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trying to get out of the water. at that moment, i knew that there was a -- something going on and as -- i had no idea that there was a hump back whale behind them chasing them and seconds later, i pulled my head up out of the water because i heard yelling and made a beeline to the back of the boat. >> francis, what was going through your mind when you realized what was happening? >> you know, i kind of sensed a little bit of danger before that happened. if you watch the video, i kind of turn back and try to go towards the boat, and i relaxed a little bit and i didn't even know that the whales were behind me at first. i saw them come down, but i didn't see them like reach out of the water. >> so neither of you actually saw the whales as they were coming up? >> no, i saw them coming down. i thought sean was behind me. i knew he was behind me and i thought he was inside the whale, so i looked back and saw he was safe, you know, i had relief and was able to laugh about it
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later. >> wow, sean, were you concerned that the tail might hit you because getting hit with one of those things i would imagine could easily kill you. >> that was the first thing that went through my mind. as soon as i seen all the fish boil come up in my face and i heard the yell and looked up and saw the whales, you know, just feet from me, the first thing that came through my mind is all the pictures you see with the tail coming out of the water. and i was right in the path of where that might happen, so i made a beeline to the boat and tried to get out of the way, you know, as fast as i could, and, you know fortunately everything happened the way it did and nobody got hurt. >> did they ever any sound or just the sound of the water turning? >> i didn't hear any sound from the whales. all i heard a bunch of yelling and commotion on the boat and looked over and saw these two mountains sticking out of the water. >> francis, do you think the
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whales knew you were there? >> i think so. i think they are fairly intelligent creatures, and i think they avoided us, for sure. you know, they are really intelligent, and i think they managed to avoid us. >> francis, do you have any plans to get back in the water? i don't know if you're incredibly lucky or not. does this ever you think twice about going for another dive? >> no, i love the ocean. you know, i'll go back right now if i could but i got to work. >> sean, same with you? >> oh, yeah, this is my passion. so, you know, i won't let -- i won't let some whales that gave me a bad day, you know, stop me from going out and having a good time and enjoying life. >> well, it's just incredible video and something you'll have forever. sean and francis, thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. >> glad you guys are okay. ahead, new details about a woman's final moments after falling from a roller costar at six flags over texas and the
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stories. isha. >> california supreme court denying a san diego's request to stop them. same-sex marriages could resume in the state. details on the texas woman killed while riding a roller costar. a medical examiner reports that 52-year-old rosey esparza was thrown out of the seat as the roller coast e the texas giant was on a steep descent. she fell 75 feet, struck a metal beam and landed on a rooftop. federal officials will conduct a full investigation to determine why the front landing gear of southwest airlines of flight 345 collapsed. it happened yesterday as the plane arrived at new york's laguardia airport. the pictures of dzhokhar tsarnaev has been assigned to desk duty pending an investigation. sergeant murphy was not authorizeed to release them. he did so in response to rolling
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stone's magazine figure which murphy called an insult. taco bell will step selling kids meals at the restaurants by next year. selling kids meals and toys doesn't ever sense for the company anymore. anderson, let's toss taco bell to the side and talk about the conversation you had with those divers, incredible. >> yeah. it was. is that it? >> no, i guess the thing that really struck me was how he said he wouldn't let hump back whales get between him and his passion. >> yeah. >> i think he might want to rethink that. >> you think so? why? i think it evers sense. >> you're weird. people shouldn't go by you. >> that's true. isha thanks, we'll be right back. i turned 65 last week.
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before we go, a programming note, tonight we assembled a town hall on race and justice in america. it's the second one in our on-going series. it engaging convery station, it will be on at 10:00 tonight, an hour from now. here is a sample. >> you talking about doctors
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prescribing inveiasive surgery r african americans than whites and cuts across all economic lines? >> in addition to that, the last time i mentioned pediatricians and how cruel it was and bias shows up in cruel ways. the pediatricians were less likely to prescribe pain management for young black kids than they were for white kids. how cruel is that? >> but i did understand -- i was looking into the studies and my understanding was when they were informed about that bias, they were able to correct -- >> they were able to correct. >> which is interesting -- >> that's the education point in the insurance industry and in your own life. i've looked at that particular field from an insurance point of view. one, access and ability and what you're plans carry. two, education which is a key part of that. if you don't understand what you need to do for yourself, what your role as a patient or with a patient advocate or whatever the
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case is, then your decision may not be the same as someone who has a better level of education -- >> but you know what? i don't challenge my doctor. i don't educate myself on being a patient -- >> but you should. >> why should an african american do that? i kick back and my doctor go out of his way to be nice to me and it's not that he likes me i think. >> [ laughter ] >> it is your responsibility as the patient. >> here is the other thing, you cannot separate, which i think you're getting at is personal responsibility from his tore ri -- historical trama. this is this much african american history life, this much free african american history in american life. there is very few periods in american life that you can look at black people and said you had a chance to catch your breath and catch up from slavery to
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system mat tick, war on drugs, which is a war on black and brown people, you go down the line all the way until you march up until now and say black people, we want you to turn on a dime or turn on a decade and fix it all and pull it together and get over it. >> but you know -- >> cultural memories go -- don't work that way. >> we're focussing on this town hall on hidden biases a lot of people have on this society and don't know it. it's at 10:00 eastern. the second all new 360 race and justice in america part two. justice in america part two. piers morg"piers morgan live" s. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is piers morgan live i'm chris cuomo in for piers. anthony