tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN July 29, 2013 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT
tomorrow could the scandals in new york's mayoral race damage a presidential run? i will talk to a woman that says weiner and huma's problems are not private and a matter of judgment. star jones joins me tomorrow. anderson cooper starts right now. tonight a special evening them honest report on a rip off athat is stunning, shady rehab clinics filing bogus claims for phantom patients and are you paying for it. it is being called the largest ever child sex trafficking bust,
76 cities across the country, 150 alleged predators captured, 105 children recovered. we'll take you inside and talk to child sift safety advocate and crime fighter john walsh and where hitchcock filmed to catch a thief they're trying to catch a real one. whoever walked in and walked out with about $136 milliones worth of jewelry in a brazen robbery. part one of an investigative series we're calling rehab racket. you will see starting tonight it is exactly what it is. we're talking about the abuse of a state sponsored taxpayer funded program on paper looks like a noble cause, privately run rehab clinics getting medicaid money by billing for each addict who gets counseling. 1 billing for each addict that gets counselling.
but over the past year, cnn has found a system riddled with fraud and poor oversight. from billing to government, to allowing convicted felons to run drug rehab centers. our investigation found it is all too easy to take advantage of the very people who need help the most. this is no nickel and dime fraud, it's happening in california, we're talking about big money. state and federal taxpayers are on the hook for tens of millions of dollars every year. i said, federal tax dollars. to put it another way, that's your money. drew griffin keeping them honest tonight. >> reporter: drew griffin with cnn. george has run a taxpayer funded drug rehab business in southern california for the past six years, which is surprising because for the past 11 years he's been on a list of people banned from bills medicaid. convicted of student loan fraud, george oluno should never have been allowed to open this clinic. >> what am i doing wrong? >> i'm asking you some questions about the drug rehab case. i want to ask you about, you seem to be at the center of fraud allegations here.
>> no, no, no. >> have you been faking signatures on to sheets of paper and billing the state for the money? >> guess what else, he's facing felony criminal charges for ripping off the state. allegedly getting paid by taxpayers to rehab drug abusers who weren't even there. >> excuse me, sir. how can you bill the state for clients that don't exist? mr. oluno, just one second, sir. we never saw oluno again. his drug rehab business here in southern california has been part of the largest medicaid program in the nation paid for with federal and state dollars. a one-year investigation by cnn and the center for investigative reporting, found the rehab portion of that program, called
drug med-call is rife with fraud, has operators who bill the government for made up clients. and often get away with it. joy saw plenty of fraud in the nine years she spent working as a supervisor over at drug medi-cal. >> i believe the word got out that there was easy money to be made in the outpatient drug free system. >> how bad is it? >> it's bad, it's really bad. i left state service about three years ago, and we would have one provider that would bill for over a million dollars in one year, that we believe was 100% questionable billing. >> and that one provider was no isolated instance. over and over, we found examples of fraud. not hidden fraud. this was happening in plain sight. for example, george oluno. 19-year-old darshay miles was just 14 when she went to his
rehab center along with her mother and three sisters. it is against the law to pay drug rehab clients, but that apparently didn't stop oluno. miles said he paid her and other clients $5 each time they signed in for group counseling, all so he could charge medical 28 and $61 per signature. >> i didn't know nothing illegal. i thought it was a thing you were supposed to get paid to go in there. and then people were like, don't speak out loud about the money. >> what did she do with the five dollars given to her by the drug rehab center? she bought drugs. >> we were going to get the money to buy weed. my whole thing was like, you all were paying us to get high. >> reporter: the day after our interview, the state charged oluno and three of his employees at gd medical with grand theft
in connection with more than 2,000 phony bills for rehab. dating back to 2009. he's pled not guilty. records show your tax dollars still paid him, even after he was arrested and out on bail. oluno's attorney blamed the billing practices on counselor's and employees who were not well supervised. the attorney says oluno was a certified counselor himself, who was allowed to bill medicaid. despite that, the clinic voluntarily shut down july 1st, without explanation. cnn and the center for investigative reporting reviewed thousands of records including program audits. we analyzed patient billings and we watched clinics under cover to see who was getting treatment and who wasn't. the result, we found that in the last two fiscal years, half of the nearly $186 million spent for drug medi-cal about 194
-- about $94 million went to clinics that had shown questionable billing practices or signs of fraud. case in point, the man with the cigar. a convicted felon. >> he was the organizer. >> marshall vote was the lead investigator who helped prosecute alexander back in 2,000, for running a texas based crime syndicate, that staged car crashes, rips off big insurance companies. >> he listed his occupation as the driver of an ice cream truck. >> he was sentenced to seven years in a texas prison. he served just one year. was let out early for good behavior and ended up in california. even though felons are barred from running drug medical centers. ferdman soon opened a rehab
clinic called able support. daze been easy money for alexander ferdman. his california drug medi-cal contract is now worth about $2 million a year. his salary, $180,000. even after a 2011 review by los angeles county, found evidence of what it considers to be fraudulent practices at his business. ferdman was allowed to expand. >> drew griffin with cnn, how are you doing? >> i'd like to ask you some questions about your business if i could. >> i don't have time right now. >> how can a guy with a record like you, be operating a drug rehab clinic in california. you've been convicted of a major car crash scheme in texas? >> i was convicted, but that's not what it seems. whatever happened, i don't know, 50 years ago, what relevance does it have to today.
>> does the county know about your criminal record? >> they probably do, i don't know. >> what happened in texas, ferdman told us, should stay in texas. >> i was facing 99 years, and i choose to take a smaller sentence. i could have it much worse. but there was no fraud and there was no record of it in anyway. >> how -- it's a very long story -- >> that was a huge case in austin, texas, statewide actually. >> that's what they tried to build it, it wasn't what it seems. and what they said it was. >> can you tell me how you left texas and decided to get into this business? how easy or hard was that? >> i don't want to talk about it right now. >> with such apparent widespread fraud in the program. former supervisor says it's not just taxpayers who are being cheated.
>> i'm not a -- you know, the employee any more. that has to look at this every day, i'm a taxpayer that knows this is going on, and it angers me. and there's story after story after story about medicaid dollars being cut from people who need the sfsss. services. >> it's an incredible investigation. it's just so infuriating, because there's a lot of people that do need help, and there's bad clinics out there that gives a bad name to the industry. is the state do anything about it? >> the state is cracking down. once they realize the depth of our reporting, and that it would be aired national on your show, the state announced a statewide crackdown, alexander ferdman's clinic, his clinic has been shut down, 16 others. >> shut down. >> shut down. 16 others temporarily suspended and california announced a statewide review of the entire rehab clinic program although
the details are a bit sketchy right now. >> why did it take so long, though. >> that was my first question to the state of california. and as we continue our reporting, it's going to be your question and our viewer's questions. as we will reveal tomorrow night, report after report, investigation after investigation, year after year finds the county and state investigators were finding this fraud, finding these questionable billing practices and yet the clinics remained open and we believe kept billing taxpayers for this. >> that's the thing, it's taxpayer money. and the people who need help aren't getting it. >> we're going to have that part two tomorrow night. you also can make a difference, have a tip for drew, let him know and let us know what you think about drew's report. follow us on twitter. more tomorrow night on this. the fbi's biggest undercover operation yet. against child prostitution. video of the raid is coming up. one armed robber managed to get away. with a fortune in jewels.
[ male announcer ] wouldn't it be great if all devices had backup power? the chevrolet volt does. it's ingeniously designed to seamlessly switch from electricity to gas to extend your driving range. no wonder volt is america's best-selling plug-in. that's american ingenuity to find new roads. right now, get a 2013 chevrolet volt for around $269 per month. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal.
begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. where over seventy-five percent of store management started as i'm the next american success story. working for a company hourly associates. there's opportunity here. i can use walmart's education benefits to get a degree, maybe work in it, or be an engineer, helping walmart conserve energy. even today, when our store does well, i earn quarterly bonuses. when people look at me, i hope they see someone working their way up. vo: opportunity, that's the real walmart.
the fbi released video today for the biggest sting to date. a sweeping under cover operation targeting pimps that sell kids for sex. there were raids in 76 cities nationwide. the fbi says 150 pimps were arrested and 105 children between the ages of 13 and 17 were rescued. the sting was part of an initiative created in 2003 to rescue sexually exploited kids across the country. one young woman turned to the fbi for help is now speaking out. >> happening here. there was a hotel right town the street. a woman walks -- it was part of a highway, there's a woman walking. so it's happening everywhere. >> my name is alexandra. i am 21.
i got lucky to be able to walk away with it, with no arrest, no kidnapping. never got hurt much so i'm lucky, really really lucky. one of the few that can say that. >> alexandria was 16 when she became a victim of sex trafficking. she helped the fbi put two pimps behind bars. the fbi is hoping the children who were recovered over the weekend will also help send their pimps to prison. jay johns joins me now. what is the latest on this sting? >> they're sorting through the charges, they're going to be state, federal, and what about those young women. 105 teenagers between the ages of 13 and 17. the question is, what happens to them? so it's a lot for the people in the system to do. and everybody's going to have a little different story anderson. >> how do they identify the people they went after. >> they went to venues where prostitution occurs. the local strip, where everyone
knows prostitutes are hotels, casinos. even watching big sporting events. and they're looking at internet sites, and they think they're getting better at zeroing in on the right targets. listen. >> it appears we were 30 to 40% more successful in identifying both victims and pimps on this operation. as we can further refine these efforts in the future, we will continue to look to back page and to those other forum where pimps and exploiters gather, and we will try to penetrate those so that we -- our success rate doubles again. >> police on the ground help on this, they know what's going on in the communities, they know when there's a child out there walking the streets and they also know which alleged pimps seem to be moving prostitutes from city to city and state to state. >> this took place across the country, doesn't it?
>> yeah, it's incredible. 76 different cities all across the country. there were some smaller cities like jackson, mississippi who knew there's such a problem there. >> appreciate the reporting. want to bring john walsh, the former host of america's most wanted. the fbi specifically cited backpage.com, and sites like it, as a place where they found some of these victims. do you think shutting down these kinds of sites helps solve the problem? there are those who argue it just pushes the commerce elsewhere. >> well, it does. sex trafficking is a $32 billion a year business worldwide, and the number one offender and buyer of sex trafficking,
particularly with children is the united states. we're a first world country but we're the biggest offender. it is about the commerce, but my hat goes off to the fbi and those 230 and state agencies who partnered up to get these kids off the streets and punish these traffickers. >> backpage.com, we've looked at this a lot over the years. they fiercely defend themselves saying they're a great resource for law enforcement. i interviewed the lawyer that represents backpage.com last year. i want to play part of what she told me back then. >> we have 80% of our staff dedicated to policing and law enforcement, to prevent cases of exploitation. from ever making it live on the internet so we can facilitate rescues and cooperate with law enforcement to ensure convictions when there are those opportunities. >> we requested elizabeth mcdougal to talk to us on the program. she declined. we did speak to the fbi further. they told us that while a significant number of victims rescued were found on backpage.com, they were found through the fbi combing these sites, not by backpage.com referring victims to the fbi.
do you buy that argument? >> i -- it's all about money. and it's not just the fbi, it's many other police agencies, state and federal, local and some international police agencies that point the finger to backpage.com to help these exploiters of children to function. it's all about the money. and i really think that the public has to say, we all want freedom of press and first amendment. no one wants to sanction or censure the internet but i think these sites have to be held accountable because it's all about the money. they're not cooperating, they're not there as a nonprofit helping these law enforcement agencies, they're there because they facilitate these guys. >> it's also sickening to hear that according to law enforcement, a big sporting event like the super bowl becomes a hub for child
prostitution. >> that's part of america's problem, that we seem to ignore. i mean, everybody thinks child prostitution and sex trafficking is in countries like india where it is, or indonesia or cambodia, i've been to those countries, yes, it's a problem there, but we're a first world country and these guys know they go to big events like the super bowl, different big sporting events and move the girls around. another difficult problem is that we over half a million runaways in this country every year. as soon as these kids hits the streets, one in three of them are solicited and forced into sex trafficking, they go state to state, 50 countries provide girls for sex trafficking, and boys. nobody's looking for those kids. it's something we've ignored and i think the public has to say, how could we -- a first world country be the biggest offender and the biggest buyer of sex trafficking in the world? >> john walsh, i appreciate you being on, we'll continue to follow this as we have for quite
a while now. an amazing sting across this country. coming up, a jewelry heist straight out of a movie script, $136 million of jewels where hitchcock filmed the movie "to catch a thief." whether police are close to catching the real thief next. edward snowden's father on his son. and americans don't know the whole truth. but are about to find out. pe, an executive director at american red cross. or garlin smith, video account director at yahoo. and for every garlin, thousands more are hired by hundreds of top companies. each expanding the influence of our proud university of phoenix network. that's right, university of phoenix. enroll now. we've got a frame waiting for you. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today?
[ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. ♪ i asked my husband to pay our bill, and he forgot. you have the it card and it's your first time missing a payment, so there's no late fee. really? yep! so is your husband off the hook? no. he went out for milk last week and came back with a puppy. hold it. hold it. hold it. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness. ♪ [ male announcer ] it's a golden opportunity to discover the heart-pounding exhilaration beyond the engineering. ♪ come to the golden opportunity sales event to experience the precision handling of the lexus performance vehicles, including the gs and all-new is.
a jewel heist in france that sounds like the screenplay to a movie. not only did it happen in cannes, it happened in a hotel that an alfred hitch hock movie was filmed. this is no movie, and the armed mask robber made off with more than $100 million in jewels. ♪ >> reporter: it's a story straight out of a hitchcock film. >> filmed on the beautiful french riviera. >> reporter: one man walks into a hotel and walks out with $136 million worth of diamond jewelry. >> diamonds, the only thing in the world you can't resist. >> reporter: the setting for the iconic movie "to catch a thief" was the site of one of europe's biggest jewelry heists sunday morning. >> nobody stopped him, there's nobody around. they just gave him $40 million
worth of jewelry? it's incredible. >> reporter: the robber's face was covered by a hat and scarf, threatened to shoot exhibiters and guests during the hold up. cannes is known for its glitz and glamour. lakely lately it has become a magnet for jewelry theft. ? may a $6.2 million necklace was taken from a hotel party. later that same month over a million dollars worth of jewels were stolen from a safe in the novatell hotel. this latest heist comes two days after the pink panther jewel thief gang escaped from prison. it is too soon to say if there is any link to this incident. authorities are looking through surveillance footage of the crime. >> diamonds are like cash. they're the most concentrated form of wealth on the earth. they can be influential in acquiring weapons, drugs or
anything else that we want to keep out of society. it's unbelievable someone managed to escape with $136 million worth of jewelry. in broad daylight. why wasn't there more security? >> that is the question of the day, anderson. prosecutors are saying there was security present during the time of the heist, though that security was unarmed. they're also saying this was meant to be a temporary exhibit here at the hotel, said to expire in august, so the security in place one can assume was temporary. neither the hotel or the dimon house are saying much more than that. it's pretty interesting to take a wuk through the lobby of the carlton hotel. you would never know that this kind of heist happened yesterday, it was very much business as usual. there was even jewelry on display in the lobby. diamonds and sapphires as well as fine furs for sale. i'd have to say pretty low key looking security, although that exhibition in question, the leviav diamond exhibition was closed today. >> that's incredible. thanks very much.
and the hunts goes on. there's a lot more happening. isha sesay is here with a bulletin. pope france appears to be softening the vatican's tone on homosexuality. the pope telling reporters, quote, if someone is gay and he says he is for the lord and has goodwill, who am i to judge? that message causing the biggest stir during the news conference on his flight to rome after celebrating world youth day in brazil. he was answering questions about the alleged gay lobby inside the vatican. >> on the senate floor john mccain was emotional paying tribute to his vietnam war cell mate. colonel bud day died saturday at the age of 88. mccain credits him with keeping mccain alive during captivity. he choked back tears during his tribute. >> tough old bird that he was. i always thought he would outlive us all. but he's gone now, to a heaven i expect would imagine would look
like an iowa corn field in early winter filled with pheasants. i will miss bud every day for the rest of my life. but i will see him again. i know i will. i'll hunt the field with him, and i look forward to it. >> reporter: at ft. meade maryland, bradley manning will learn tomorrow if he's been found guilty of aiding the enemy. he's accused of the largest leak ever of u.s. classified information. >> authorities say a woman was arrested after tossing green paint in two locations inside washington's national cathedral. it's unclear if she's connected to the splashes of paint at the lincoln memorial and smithsonian statue. just bizarre. >> really strange. thank you very much. by now pretty much everyone knows about edward snowden and knows who he is. tonight we're going to talk to his dad. no one knows him like his father, obviously. who he says there is more to the
story than the public thinks and can the public knows. the discreet protection that's just for guys. now, it's your turn. get my training tips at guardyourmanhood.com these chevys are moving fast. i'll take that malibu. yeah excuse me, the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first, it's mine. i called about that one, it's mine. mine! mine. it's mine. it's mine. mine. mine. mine. mine. it's mine! no it's not, it's mine! better get going, it's chevy model year-end event.
snowden is about many things, national security, the right to privacy, loud echos of the cold war. and it's also about one man's son. the son who's now stuck in limbo in moscow, while officials in washington are demanding him back. their latest enticement, a promise not to seek the death penalty against him. in a moment, you'll hear from edward snowden's father about what that's like. but first, how we got here. >> my name's ed snowden, i'm 29 years old. >> it's been nearly two months since edward snowden showed himself to the world as the source behind the nsa leaks. snowden revealed the u.s. government forced verizon to hand over the phone records of millions of americans. he also revealed a secret program used by the nsa called prism that gives the government direct access to data. he gave this interview to the guardian. >> i think the public is owed an explanation of the motivations behind the people who make these
disclosures that are outside of the democratic model. >> snowden didn't hide his identity, but he did hide his exact location. revealing only that he was somewhere in hong kong and hinted about a life on the run. >> i could rendered by the cia. i could have people come after me, and that's a fear i'll live under for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be. >> reaction to snowden's public revelations was mixed. a hero to some, but to others -- >> this guy is a trader, a defector, he's not a hero. >> it's a giant violation of the law. >> i think he's a trader. >> five days after snowden's identity was revealed. he was charged with espionage. the u.s. sought snowden's extradition from hong kong and withdrew his passport. days later, snowden with the help of wikileaks managed to board a plane bound for moscow. after arriving at the moscow airport, he again went into hiding. never passing through immigration. staying within the transit zone with, reporters all over the world looking for him. >> no sign of edward snowden. no one seems to know where he
is. moscow was never intended as a final destination. according to wikileaks snowden applied for asylum in more than 20 countries. for now, snowden remains in the transit zone, keeping largely out of sight, except for this one press conference he gave a little over two weeks ago. >> a little over a month ago, i had a family, in paradise. i lives in great comfort. i also had the capability to search for and seize and read your communications. that is the power to change people's fates, and it is also a serious violation of the law. >> snowden has applied for temporary asylum in russia, saying he would be tortured and face the death penalty if returned to the united states. eric holder assured the russians the u.s. will not seek the death penalty if snowden were returned to stand trial. so far, the russians have refused to hand snowden over. he remains in the airport and
according to his lawyer he is studying russian and may end up staying in the country long-term. >> joining us now is lon snowden and and bruce fine. your son still in the airport. have you been able to communicate with him? do you know how he's been doing? >> we've been able to communicate with him indirectly. and i believe he's in reasonably good spirits. >> how does he look to you in that press conference? >> like he's lost a bit of weight, he needs a haircut. overall, he looks reasonably well. given his circumstances over the past 65 days. >> last week on nbc, you said the american people don't know the whole truth, the truth is coming. what do you think people don't understand about what your son did? >> well, i think probably that the large majority of americans have not seen his 12 minute video. i've spoken to close friends who know this is my son and we talk
and -- i realize they haven't listened to the video, they don't really understand what the fourth amendment is. so i think that there's much that's unknown. the american people, the media, to be quite honest has not done a good job of laying out the facts in digestible form. there has been a clear effort by those who have been threatened politically and/or embarrassed by these revelations to focus on the center, my son, who's revealed these, instead of the revelations. it's clear they don't want to discuss that, when i say the truth is coming, there are certain folks, myself included who are going to push and push and push until at a minimum, we have a well informed public who, they have the facts and they can make their own determination. >> one of the major truths here, the conversation we're having tonight, the very strong debates that have occurred in the congress most recently about the
loss by 12 votes to shut down these nsa programs, the fact that there will be three hearings on wednesday. they're all responsible because of what ed snowden did. we had the director of national intelligence office say, their goal was do keep the program secret forever. they tried. the only reason this was broken in the public was because of ed snowden's courage. the members of congress that knew about this, were very cryptic in explaining what was going on, despite the fact that they had a constitutional privilege to expose this to the american people. what has happened is ed snowden has made the democratic process work. the things we're talking about today, do we need these kinds of programs? >> one of the things why are son -- that your son had said was that he's sitting at his desk, a contractor, could gain access to basically anybody's e-mail, if he had the correct address, even the president's e-mail. at the time there were a lot of officials who said, that's not true. he's overstating his own importance. brian greenwald who is one of the people who received it, the information from your son has now come forward, he has reporting that actually confirms what your son had been saying, a
contractor's low level people even at their desk at the nsa or some of these other contracting agencies could gain access to tons of phone calls which are in data storage bases or people's e-mails. there's going to be testimony wednesday. how confident are you that the truth of that is going to come out? >> well, i'm not sure if it's going to come out in the senate judiciary, the same people who sat in front of the house judiciary, who were really grilled, i compliment those members on the house judiciary for, i believe it was last wednesday or the week prior, when they grilled these same individuals who were going to sit in front of the senate judiciary. but i'm disappointed it's the deputy attorney general instead of eric holder sitting there, that is the general council for the director of national intelligence instead of james clapper sitting there under oath again. and it's the deputy fbi director sitting there answering these
questions. >> if i could add, anderson, remember the people who are going are testifying are working under the egis of the director who when confronted with a question, by senator ron wyden, are you collecting date on on millions of americans, hundreds of millions -- director clapper said no. a flat out lie, which he tried to defend as a small untruth. >> he said, not wittingly. >> not wittingly. he has a trillion of mega bits unwittingly. we're to rely upon their self-assessment as to whether or not these technologies exist? we need outside auditing of what the nsa has been doing all these years. the nsa at present doesn't have someone who's not part of their overall program, examine whether they are complying with the content of information, unless we have some reasonable suspicion or otherwise, and why
would we expect an agency to call its own people to account 37. >> in a letter to the justice department, you describe what your son did as civil disobedience. there are those who say, look, civil disobedience is accepting the ramifications of your actions of your decision, of taking the punishment, why do you see this as civil disobedience. >> first of all, i think he is accepting the consequences. you look at his 12 minute video, and what he said, he's not living a comfortable life at this point. he's an american, he knows his country. i know my son, i know he loves his country. what he believed is that this information, the american people needed to be aware of what their government was doing to them. spying upon them. >> i would interject on this issue of civil disobedience. >> anderson, if it were true there was a comfort level that would be offered to mr. snowden. i think your question would be far more poignant. we have had four to six members of congress convicting mr.
snowden of treason. we haven't even had a single trial. we haven't had an official grand jury indictment. they're already saying he's guilty of treason. we don't have the attorney general saying he enjoys the presumption of innocence. we have the president of the united states denigrating mr. snowden as a hacker. not somebody who was trying to generate the national conversation over these drag net surveillance that the president himself said was urgent. >> the president has said he wants this conversation. this is a conversation the american public needs to have. do you believe that? >> no, i don't. it is one thing, words mean one thing. actions mean another. that's much in the same way of our national character. i'm disappointed by what i've seen. our national character is determined by what we do when we think that no one is watching, when we think that we won't be held accountable. and it's not just a matter of what's legal, of what's constitutional, it's a matter of what's ethical. >> think of this oddity, the attorney general writes a letter
to russia, he has to go out of his way we won't torture edward if he comes back. we are in that position as a country that we need to assure people we won't torture him if he's returned? >> do you believe him when he says that? when he says no death penalty and the united states doesn't torture? >> at this point i believe it would be in the best interest of the justice department. we've attempted to work with the justice department and both the people investigating this, and i just do not believe that that collaboration, the good faith exists anymore. so i'm very, very disappointed and we've attempted to get assurances, that ed would receive a fair trial. i have absolutely no faith in eric holder, the attorney general of the united states. none. >> you don't believe your son would receive a fair trial? >> absolutely not. not at this point. no, absolutely not. >> a couple things the attorney general omitted from his letter. in trying to describe the fair trial edward would receive would be the right to confront
the witnesses or the evidence against him. no secret evidence. he didn't mention that, the right that edward would have to summon witnesses in his favor. no mention of that, the presumption of innocence, no mention of that. why? these seem glaring. we know the government would try to claim classification, national security secrets, we can't disclose this to the defendant. >> when you see the way bradley manning was treated early on, do you believe your son would be basically helping those -- held no in those same conditions? >> no, i think because that was so embarrassing to our government and the people who were responsible for it, but it doesn't change -- it makes clear what the mind-set is, president obama when he was first running for president, he talked about how he -- how important whistle blowers were. june 7th, after the story broke. he told the american people, we're not reading your e-mails and we're not listening to your phone calls. on june 8, a link on the white
house website that was linked to his language regarding whistle blowers, that disappeared. >> we know that's false anyway. the "new york times" reported long ago that the nsa was reading or listening into conversations between wives and servicemen serving abroad. >> so there are those who say, see your son applying for even temporary asylum in russia and look at russia and say, that's a government that has its own intelligence apparatus, it clearly does not value dissent from the top down. should the place where your son is looking for -- should that impact the way people view what your son did? >> i think they have to look at this in context, what choice does he have? he was attempting to go elsewhere and clearly our government forced down the aircraft of evo morales, who was returning to bolivia. again, i know that we have
operatives in peru and colombia, i don't believe that would be a safe place for him. i'm not sure what would happen if he went to ecuador or venezuela. >> you think russia is the best place for him? >> i absolutely think it is the best place for him at this point. it is our government, specifically the obama administration, that has caused that. again, he was looking at going elsewhere. at this point i would hope that he -- i make no apologies, i would hope that he remains in russia, until we have assurances he would receive a fair trial here, and much of that depends on another presidential administration. >> i want to flag, this has not been discussed at length, that is the possibility that we have agreements with foreign intelligence agencies for them to circumvent the limits that the nsa has on spying on americans. we spy on their people and share the information and intelligence. we know that all the uproar in europe about our spying on their citizens. the intelligence agency said
nothing, that's a real worry that even the limits we would place on the nsa would be circumvented by the nsa going to the british and saying, why don't you spy on american citizens, hand over the information to us and we'll see what happens. >> we'll see what comes out of testimony on wednesday. good to have you on. mr. fine as well. thank you very much. pastor rick warren returns to the pulpit after the death of his son. more on his return ahead. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004.
vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
peace of mind is important when so we provide it services you bucan rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next. to get our adt security system. and one really big reason -- the house next door. our neighbor's house was broken into. luckily, her family wasn't there,
but what if this happened here? what if our girls were home? and since we can't monitor everything 24/7, we got someone who could. adt. [ male announcer ] while some companies are new to home security, adt has been helping to save lives for over 135 years. we have more monitoring centers, more of tomorrow's technology right here today, and more value. 24/7 monitoring against burglary, fire, and high levels of carbon monoxide starting at just over $1 a day. and now get adt installed for just $99. isn't your family worth america's number-one security company? current adt customers call for special upgrade saveings. after buying two of everything, it was nice to only need one security system -- adt. [ male announcer ] get adt installed for just $99. and ask about adt pulse, advanced home management here today. adt. always there.
get you caught up on some of the other stories we're following, isha sesay is back with the 360 news and business bulletin. >> the university of pittsburgh research scientist who is accused of killing his wife, a has waived extradition. he is expected to be transferred to pennsylvania tomorrow. he is accused of poichbting a pittsburgh neurologist with a lethal dose of cyanide. pastor rick warren was back delivering a sermon over the weekend for the first time since his son committed suicide nearly four months ago. the leader of a california mega church spoke about the mental illness that his son matthew struggled with, and about erasing the stigma surrounding it. six other cities across the country are staging one day strikes and rallies this week asking for higher wages and the right to unionize.
in new york, hundreds of mcdonald's at wendy's mcdonald's burger king restaurants walked off the job demanding $15 an hour. anderson will be right back with the ridiculist. the great outdoors... ...and a great deal. thanks to dad. nope eeeeh... oh, guys let's leave the deals to hotels.com. ooh that one! nice. got it! oh my gosh this is so cool... awesome! perfect! yep, and no angry bears. the perfect place is on sale now. up to 40% off. only at hotels.com
♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. but hurry, offers end july 31st. going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. geico's defensive driver,ke 13. good student and multi-policy discounts could save you hundreds of dollus.
engineer: uh geico's discounts could save you hundreds of "doll-ars." it sounds like you're saying "dollus." dollus. engineeif you could accentuate the "r" sound of "dollars." are...are... are... engineer: are... arrrrrr. arrrrr. someone bring me an eye patch, i feel like a bloomin' pirate. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. honestly, i feel like i nailed that.
finally tonight the wait is over, ladies and gentlemen, it is christmastime in july. there is a new prancer sized video. that's right. you remember "prancer" sized, don't you? the fitness craze designed by diana rohrbach. it's a rhythmic way of moving forward. similar to a horse's gait and there's a brand new prancer sized video. please take a look. ♪
♪ >> it's a little more mellow. pretty much like the first one, different outfit. same mesmerizing moves. that clip was pretty low impact. let's try to pick up the pace, shall we. >> we're going to pick up the pace with the prancer size trot, sure beats sitting at home beginning to rot. we're having so much fun, why the heck not. ♪ >> oh, joanna rohrbach, you complete me. i'm not the only one who positively enchanted by prancercise. john mayer asked her to be in his video "paper doll." ♪
♪ >> any prancercise video is good prancercise as far as i'm concerned. maybe i'm a purist. my favorite, still the original. you never forget your first love. ♪ ♪ >> miss rohrbach, please, please keeps videos coming. and thank you for putting a spring in our step. our motto is prancercise forever on the ridiculist. that's it for us. thanks for watching. out front next, another horrifying train crash, two commuter trains clyde and a horrible day for anthony weiner if it could get worse, a