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allowed to pick their kids' names. there are some unusual ones out there that nobody wants out there, but do you want the legal system to decide which names are okay and which aren't? and when it comes to the religious overtones in this case, consider this, the most popular name on planet earth is mohammed. anderson starts now. erin, thanks. good evening, an exclusive look at the historic flooding that's devastated so many homes and lives in colorado. the water that swallowed roads, bridges and houses, the rebuilding will take years. also ahead tonight, a 24-year-old man bruised and bleeding tries to get help after his car crashes in the middle of the night. instead of help, he's shot dead by a police officer. did race play a role? we begin, though, with breaking news. chilling new details about the gun the navy yard shooter used in monday's massacre. the killer apparently etched or carved two phrases into the shotgun. one saying, quote, my elf weapon. the other saying, quote, better off this way. investigators don't know what
those cryptic messages refer to. could they offer any insight into the killer's motive. cnn national security correspondent will have more on that ahead. but first, before we spend too much time on the shooter, we're going to hear from a survivor. tonight we've learned that the damage inside building 197 is so extensive, it may not reopen for weeks. john weaver who works in i.t. at the navy yard lived through that blood bath and knows it's sheer luck that he's alive when so many of his friends died. nine men and three women murdered monday morning. john weaver knew six of them personally. he joins me now. john, can you just walk us through what happened? you were at your desk, heard a commotion, a loud noise in the atri atrium. >> they're about 8-feet square cubes and i'm the fourth one back. and the cube behind me is the cube that's next to the atrium, okay. so what happened was somebody was rolling a large cart through
the atrium, which normally occurs many times. and i remarked to one of my coworkers that it sounded like somebody was skateboarding on the ceiling. and she made a little chuckle and then a really loud bang occurred. and i thought to myself, they dropped another safe because they'd done that before and it sounded similar to that. but two seconds later, there was another really loud bang. and that's when i realized that somebody was in the building shooting people. >> so you knew after that second shot that that's what it was? >> yeah, exactly. i knew there's no way that there would be two bangs that close together and that loud and the second one was a shot. >> what did you do? >> well, what happened was i stupidly popped my head up and saw him reach over at the end of my cube row and diagonally shoot across the row to where one of
my friends was sitting. i could not see her. he aimed and shot directly at her. and i popped my head back down and then went under my desk. and there's like a -- um -- a cabinet with two drawers and i pulled that towards me and then hid under the desk. so if he came walking down the row, he would've just saw that desk. >> so you actually saw him aim at one of your coworkers. >> oh -- >> he wasn't firing randomly? >> no, the reason he did not see me because he was so intent on shooting her. and i spoke with her this morning and she told me the reason that was because she was looking him dead in the eye when he shot her. >> so this is a coworker released last night and she's doing okay? >> yes, she's doing very well. >> okay. >> i mean -- >> that's good. >> we spoke with each other this morning and i was just -- just so glad that she was alive. and that nothing else happened to her and that she got out.
and then when he shot her, she told me that the force of the blast was so strong it drove her into the ground and now she has a black eye and bits of her scalp are scattered all over her cubical. >> oh, my gosh. >> yeah. it was that close to her being killed. her right finger is blown off almost completely at the tip. they're trying to save it. and what she did was, she went like that. and it got her on this side of her head. so what happened was, he shot at her and then i ducked, hid and then i heard him take another shot and that was when he shot mary knight. and the reason i know that was when he shot mary knight and it was definitely two shots -- the first one was frank, the second one was j.j., the third one was her and then the fourth one was mary knight because after she was shot, she turned around while she was curled up and
watched him shoot her. i mean, i told her she's the bravest, quickest and luckiest person on the face of the earth. >> so all in all, how many shots did you hear this guy fire? >> well, after i went down, that was four shots. he walked away farther west to me and it was two more shots and then he proceeded, i think, through the corridor between the kitchenettes and proceeded over into the zero xi spaces and i called d.c. 911 at that point from my cell phone. during that time. it was unbelievable how many shots were going off. and just the feeling of being so helpless that you could not help these people. and you had to stay in place. >> that's when he was using the shotgun? >> he had the shotgun the whole
time when i was there. i never heard any other type of firearm except the shotgun. >> so you know -- i mean, you personally, you're friends with -- you've lost a lot of friends. >> yeah. six people i personally knew in that building. i reported directly to mary knight every day about stuff. j.j., he worked with me and submitted forms to me that i passed on to somebody else for approval. jerry reid, i saw him every day in the halls and worked with him, but not in a direct fashion. sylvia frazier i worked with every day. and that's the person i'm most sad about. she was the nicest person in the world. and i cannot believe that man killed her. it's just -- that's -- i can't believe that. and pandit, i knew him too. he was one of my users when i
was an admin in their group. i've worked in this building for 13 years and worked there for 16. i know a bunch of people and i know who kathy is just by seeing her in the halls. >> right. i spoke to kathy, her husband doug and her daughter jessica yesterday and obviously they e are, i mean beyond devastated. >> oh -- >> to say the least. >> it's just something when you're -- you know, when it happened it was like -- you had to tell yourself that this was really happening while it was going on. that's how just surreal it was. i mean, it was real, but it was surreal at the same time. >> yeah, i understand that. >> so what happened when he started going away and i got off the phone with the d.c. 911, the fire alarm went off. i'd say it was about five minutes after the shooting started. so then i'd push my desk out and i said run. because when i ran around the corner, i saw mary knight dead laying on the ground
basically -- and what i did was kneeled over her and checked her by looking straight into her eyes to see if there was consciousness and there was none. and i knew there was nothing i could do for her. i just got up and ran and i went down the stairs and i saw my friends standing there and i couldn't believe she was there. it was that shocking. and i said to her, what happened? because i didn't want want to say have you been shot? i just said, what happened? and she goes, i've been shot. and then so i looked at her and her finger was pouring off basically -- it was a really bad manicure, let's say that. and the back of her head was scraped off. i said, i've gotten a bigger scrape playing hockey, let's get out of here. i'm yelling at all these people, run for your lives. please leave. run. and then i went down the stairs and i got down to the first
floor and there's a bunch of people in the conference room and i yelled to them. and everybody just started scattering. people went into a complete panic at that point. and then we basically ran out of the building, over to the 197 parking garage and then i saw an officer there i recognized because i've seen these guys all the time. and i told him, there's a guy up on the fourth floor and he is slaughtering people with a shotgun and you guys need to get up there with a lot of weapons. >> as you look back on this, there are obviously a lot of questions being asked. is there something you're focusing on? is there something you particularly want answers to? >> you know, really how that guy got a security clearance. because if the system's supposed to work, that's supposed to be caught by people doing his security clearance.
you guys found that information readily available. >> yeah. >> that's the -- that's the thing that i'm angry about the most. i don't blame the building security or anybody like that because, i mean, they don't expect this to happen and, you know, he came in and he's a normal worker there and those guys carry backpacks everywhere they go because they have a lot of paperwork and computer accessories they carry when they roll out the computers. >> so he wouldn't have raised any suspicions by? >> oh, no, there's people carrying backpacks all the time in there. so, no, that doesn't raise a suspicion at all. and he badged in with a valid i.d. i believe he badged in, went to the elevator, came up the elevator, went to the bathroom that's right across the east/west corridor divide from us, came out of that bathroom, started shooting everybody there and basically went in a clockwise fashion around the core of the building and came back to our area and i believe he went over to the east side. but at that point, i had already
vacated the premises and was out of the building seven minutes after it happened. >> you also want to let people know about your friends and your coworkers who lost their lives and what they were like and honor them. >> every one of those people who were killed were the nicest people that you could know. they were great coworkers and would never harm a fly. and they were responsible, great people, government workers and contractors. and i just could not believe they were subjected to that violent, horrible death they d had. and that's the most devastating part. me, you know, i got away, that's no problem. i got lucky. it was my birthday and i consider myself the second luckiest person on that day because my friend was the first luckiest person. but all those other people, they did not deserve that death to die like that. and i just -- it was horrible. that's all i have to say about that. >> well, john, i appreciate you
talking and letting us know, most importantly, about your friends and your colleagues and your coworkers. thank you very much. >> no problem. i'm going to miss them all very much. >> john weaver is not the only one who wants to know how the navy yard killer got his security clearance to begin with and then held on to it despite repeated run-ins with the police and alarming signs his mind was to say the least troubled. as we reported last night, the u.s. navy gave the shooter his initial clearance in 2007 when he enlisted. at the time the navy knew he'd been involved in a violent incident in seattle but issued the clearance anyway. it was good for ten years. live now from washington. so we'll get to the security questions in a second, but first the breaking news about the sense of the shooting. what do we know here? the scene? >> well, we're learning the building where the shooting took place may not be open for several weeks because of the damage inside. and when you hear john weaver's account, you get a sense of what that might look like.
the damage from the first responders breaking down doors trying to get in there to get at the shooter but more from tmayhm that aaron alexis unleashed there. there was, quote, blood everywhere, damage everywhere. a truly gruesome scene that's testament to how violent an episode this was. >> the question that john weaver was asking, a lot of people were asking was how the system did not pick this guy up. today even the defense secretary acknowledged what he called a lot of red flags. that was a quote, surrounding the shooter and a security clearance. can you piece together what we know? >> well, what you're getting a sense -- and i was at that briefing today with secretary chuck hagel, you had many warning signs here but no one was able to connect all those dots. when you look at them individually, it's amazing that no one was. for instance, we learn today that when he went to the rhode island police just a few weeks before the shooting and told them this delusional story of being followed, having himself
controlled with a microwave machine that the police reported it to the rhode island naval station, but that naval station had not been passed on to washington. for instance, he went to a v.a. hospital twice in the weeks leading up to the shooting complaining of insomnia. he was given medication. he also took and used naval insurance for ringing in his ears, that in addition to the two arrests he had in 2004, 2008, and also his discharge from the navy for a series of episodes of misconduct. so when you look at all those together, it's quite amazing that no one was able to piece those together to get at that again. as john weaver was referencing, the fact he still had a security clearance valid for ten years from 2007 when it was issued. >> and i understand, we heard from the shooter's mother today. what did she say? >> reporter: well, she had clearly been asked many times for an interview. she refused to. this is kathleen alexis. but she did want to make a statement. and when you hear this statement, you hear a mother who
is heartbroken but also taking on some of the guilt from her son. let's listen to what she said. >> our son, aaron alexis has murdered 12 people and wounded several others. his actions have had a profound and everlasting effect on the families of the victims. i don't know why he did what he did and i'll never be able to ask him why. aaron is now in a place where he can no longer do harm to anyone and for that i'm glad. to the families of the victims, i am so, so very sorry that this has happened. my heart is broken. >> reporter: you hear one more person suffering from this. and just a short time ago as the sun went down, i heard a soldier here playing "taps," a quiet, sad moment lingering around the navy yard, around washington tonight. >> appreciate all the latest info. thanks. let me know what you think, follow me @andersoncooper.
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crime and punishment now. a 14-year-old georgia girl abducted from her own home in front of her family is safe tonight. two suspects are now in custody. the investigation, though, is nowhere near over. and authorities are looking at whether the kidnappers may have ties to the teen's family. martin savidge reports. >> this is a good day. >> reporter: the nightmare for a georgia teenager and her family ended 34 hours after it began. >> she is safe. >> the message delivered at a hastily called news conference. >> she's been reunified with her family. >> reporter: 14-year-old perez was found at a location about 25 miles from her home and she had never left the metro atlanta area. officials say two men are under arrest and at least two other suspects were still at large. including the men thought to have carried out the brazen kidnapping. according to authorities, it began just after 2:00 a.m. tuesday when the men burst into
a home terrorizing a mother and her two children. >> tried to hide the kids, the dog was barking and these suspects shot the dog. >> police say they demanded jewelry and money and when they didn't get it, they took something far more precious. the 14-year-old avana. within hours, an army of local, state and federal officers descended on the subdivision whose sense of security was shattered. >> we thought we lived in a safe neighborhood and now we're not sure what's going on here. >> reporter: rumors spread of ransom demands. the next day, those prayers were answered. >> we have outstanding news -- >> reporter: so what was the big break? authorities were vague. >> through hard core police work. boots to the ground. >> reporter: but a number of suspects suggests something more than a random break-in.
authorities were asked about a possible link between the victim's family and the suspects. again, the answers were vague. >> we have not determined the relationship between those individuals at this particular point in time. >> reporter: for the moment, those questions will wait as the family gets back a daughter feared lost and a neighborhood loses some of its fear. >> it's amazing she's back. what do you know about the suspects and what if any connection they have to the victim? >> reporter: yeah, this story, anderson, definitely has a lot more to it. i think the big thing here is at the beginning of the week, authorities said this was a random home invasion, clearly now when you've got four suspects, it goes beyond that. it smacks of a conspiracy and that raises the question, why did they really break into that home? who were they looking for? what were they looking for? those are the answers being sought tonight, anderson. >> appreciate the update. in colorado, thousands of people are surveying the damage scene what's left of their homes, killed six people, left hundreds unaccounted for. although that number,
thankfully, has been steadily dropping. nearly 18,000 homes have been damaged throughout the state, the sheriff of larimer county says there are still major issues about how to get emergency services to areas where roads have been washed out. and other issues protecting homes where owners have been evacuated. some chose to stay despite the evacuation orders. and for them each day presents new challenges, as well. here's the exclusive report. >> reporter: this is the flood as it roared past, captured on the cell phone last week ignoring warnings to evacuate. it was so forceful, it swallowed the road pounding everything in its path. today, that same road is caved in. this road leading to the house can no longer support cars, only his bike. >> empty fuel for our generator, making a tradeoff with some full fuel. >> a friend drives fuel to meet him and then he makes the long
bike ride back into his canyon home where his family waits. >> there we go. >> reporter: the gas runs a generator. his wife paige collects water from the overflowing creek for their toilet. welcome to their new normal after colorado's historic floods. >> as long as the generator keeps working, we're doing great. >> the massive flood ripped apart northern colorado's infrastructure. federal officials say hundreds of miles of highway and more than 30 bridges are destroyed or impassable. >> take first street all the way to the end. that's camera 29. >> reporter: police and road blocks have to reroute traffic around an entire community. fema says it will take years to rebuild at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. and then, there are the structures. across these canyons, churches sit under water and homes on their sides. >> how forceful was this flood?
it actually broke through the wall of this building. and this as the weight of the sludge that they're actually having to clean up. the water filled this all the way up to our waist. and this is just one of some 7,000 homes and businesses in just two counties that have either been damaged or destroyed. >> reporter: for four days, ann has been digging through the muck at her antique market. it never stops being hard. >> what is it like to see this place like this? >> it's devastating. sorry. to see it like this is just -- sometimes hopeless but it's not really. but it is. >> it's incredible. live from longmont, colorado. so to add insult to injury, i understand it rained heavily where you were today. >> reporter: yeah. pretty hard, and there were people outside, we were outside at the time.
and a woman ran by me with her hands in the air saying, are you kidding me? the forecast here was only 10% to 20% chance of rain but it still rained very hard for 30 minutes to an hour. the ground here is so saturated, you can see what happens right away and one other thing we did learn the amount of rain we've gotten this year is the most they've received in 120 years that led a forecaster here to call it biblical. anderson? >> i appreciate the update. for more on the story go to cnn.com any time. up next, a government shutdown looming as republicans in congress announce a budget plan that president obama will not accept. we'll have the raw politics on that. and also ahead, a young man in north carolina shot dead by a police officer. his family is demanding answers. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones.
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politics, the federal government could be on the verge of shutting down as a major battle is brewing over keeping the government funded past september 30th when the fiscal year ends. house republican leaders said they will approve a stopgap spending bill that keeps the government running through mid december but will include a provision that blocks all money for obama care. republicans plan to insist on new spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling next month. president obama immediately denounced the move. >> you have never seen in the history of the united states the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with the debt.
>> let's get the latest now from dana bash on capitol hill. explain this to me. during the summer it seemed the house republican leadership did not want to -- this to happen. they didn't want to do this. what happened? >> reporter: what happened is they got a lot of pushback from the conservative grass roots. for five weeks, conservative groups were out there pounding away at conservative members saying, look, this is why we got you into office. this is what we want you to do. and this is the best leverage that we have, meaning try to repeal obama care, even if it means shutting down the government. and this is actually something that i asked the speaker about. he wasn't ever publicly against it, but we knew from reporting that privately he was very much against it. so i asked what gives. >> i know it's not been easy to be speaker over this caucus, but at this point, have you just kind of lost control over the caucus? >> we've got a lot of divergent opinions in the caucus. and the key to any leadership job is to listen. we listen to our colleagues over
the course of the last week, we have a plan that they're happy with, we're going forward. >> so, anderson, the bottom line is that the speaker and his fellow leaders had trouble with the same group of about 40 or so people in their caucus they've had with lots of other issues these past 2 1/2 years. and the votes simply weren't there for them just to keep the government running without including de-funding obama care. >> so is all of this basically for show? the house leadership knows this is -- >> well, the supporters of this say it's for principle and that's why they're doing this. but i can tell you that tonight we have seen a real divide inside the republican party. and one of the big issues has been that house republicans who feel like they're -- some of them, at least the leaders feel like they're sort of walking the plank for principle are pretty angry at some of the chief supporters of this idea, namely senator ted cruz and marco rubio. they released a statement saying they don't have the votes in the
senate and the house republicans say this suggest you're not going to filibuster, you're not going to try, you're making us try. and i want to read you a quote, this is a quote from a house republican leadership aide about a fellow republican senator ted cruz saying, quote, wendy davis has more balls than ted cruz. an allusion to wendy davis who filibustered for an issue for hours and hours. >> an interesting use of language there. when is the house expected to vote on this? >> the house is expected to vote as soon as thursday, maybe friday, but definitely this week. and then, you know, because they do seem to have the votes there, the ball is going to be in the senate's court. and then the question does become whether or not ted cruz and company can filibuster. i should say in ted cruz' defense, i spoke to an aide that says they haven't ruled out filibustering. it is going to be -- the ball is going to be in the house's court ultimately. but all we do know is this is so
uncertain, this is likely to go right down to the wire. september 30th, you know, at midnight when the government would shut down if they don't pass something to keep the government running. >> interesting. dana, appreciate it, dana bash. up next now, he was looking for help, killed by police. we've got all the angles including the 911 tape. a man trying to escape an apartment fire by dangling from the fourth floor window. see how people stepped in to save his life. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative,
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crime and punishment segment. police officer in north carolina is charged with voluntary manslaughter for shooting to death an unarmed 24-year-old man. however, the case is anything but open and shut. the confrontation happened in the middle of the night. police were brought to the scene by a frantic 911 call from a woman who believed the young man was trying to break into her home. authorities now believe he knocked on her door seeking help. the officer write the dead man is african-american. randi kaye has the story. >> reporter: it's 2:30 in the morning in charlotte, north carolina. jonathan farrell has survived a horrific car crash. police say he likely climbed out
the back window of this mangled four-door sedan and stumbles to the nearest house for help when he knocks loudly on the door, the woman inside panics and calls 911. >> i need help. >> where are you at? >> there's a guy breaking in my front door. >> there's a guy breaking in your front door? >> you say he's a black male? >> yes. >> we're on our way. where are you at in the house? >> he's yelling. he's yelling turn off the alarm. >> what happens next is hard to fathom. keep in mind farrell is unarmed. police arrive minutes after receiving the 911 call. one officer tries to taser farrell but it fails to bring him down. then, officer randall keric opens fire. >> as the officers approach him to determine if, in fact, he is the individual what's going on, he just immediately takes off and runs toward a particular officer and that officer
attempted to retreat but at the same time fired his weapon. >> reporter: the chief says arrest carrick fired his weapon 12 times striking jonathan farrell ten times. he dies at the scene. officer carrick said he had minor injuries and refuses treatment. farrell's mother wants to know why her son had to die. >> my baby don't own a gun, don't own a pocket knife. he wouldn't shoot nobody. it breaks my heart he was looking for help and no one helped him. >> reporter: the 24-year-old farrell was a star athlete playing football for florida a&m in 2009 and 2010. he was also a chemistry major. his mother says he didn't have any emotional or mental issues that would've led to a deadly run-in with police. the police dash cam video hasn't been released to the media, but the family's attorney says he's viewed it. on it he says farrell is seen running toward the officer arms outstretched hands empty. he says it's clear jonathan
farrell was unarmed. >> you can tell he's unarmed. he approaches the officers and they're immediately two dots in the center of his chest. he's like, no, no, stop, he's coming forward saying stop. and he goes off the camera and you just hear shots, one, two, three, four, pause, one, two, three, four, five, six. pause, one, two. >> reporter: the 27-year-old officer turned himself in hours after the shooting. he told investigators the suspect assaulted him by unknown means. he's charged with voluntary manslaughter, a felony. the officer's attorney says his client had reason to shoot. >> we're confident that at the resolution of this case, it will be found that officer carrick's actions were justified on the night in question. >> reporter: justified or not, the shooting death of an unarmed black man by a white officer has outraged some in the black community. the president of charlotte's
naacp says shooting innocent black men has become a tradition. he wants officer carrick charged with murder. >> he's coming towards you, you've got two other officers to protect you and the first thing you do is to shoot him? >> officer randall carrick is out of jail now free on $50,000 bond. the other two officers who were also at the scene are on paid administrative leave. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> we want to dig deeper on this now. mark geragos, criminal defense attorney. sunny hostin also a cnn legal analyst and kevin flanagan. mark, what do you make of this case? >> well, i think it's an exception to the rule. generally when a cop shoots somebody, you don't see the prosecution or the cops file charges or arrest somebody, usually there's an investigation, then they make some decision as to whether or
not it was excessive force or anything else. i think in this case, you've t got -- you've got a situation that clearly is based on race as far as i can tell. and that's what's driving this. >> you're saying that because the man who was shot was african-american and the officer was white? >> i think there's a perception if you see a large black male running at you and you're a white cop, i hate to make it -- drill it down to that simple, that sometimes a different situation than if he had been of some other ethnicity. >> sunny, you say you don't know how this is not a case of excessive force. >> you know, i think that's right. excessive force certainly is generally subjective. what was the cop feeling at the time? but i don't know how you explain it as justified when someone shoots 12 times and hits an unarmed man 10 times. it just doesn't make sense. and although mark and i generally disagree with most things, i think he has a point when he talks about, perhaps,
race being a factor. what was the officer's perception? why did he immediately feel the need to shoot? that just doesn't make much sense. >> but, kevin, you were on the nypd for 12 years. when you hear 12 shots, does that instantly raise red flags for you? >> no, i would -- my guess is that's all he had in his magazine. once he started shooting he stopped when he ran out of bullets. >> aren't you trained to shoot once or twice and then sort of pause? >> there are a tap, tap, two shots, two shots, two shots. there's a rapid fire, but it's up to the individual, their fear level and their reaction to adverse situation. and, you know, you can only assume that this officer panicked at the time and fired until he had nothing left. >> a lot of these incidents happen very, very quickly and studies were shown. if they're able to deescalate or
at least have a few seconds pause, it can make all the difference, right? >> absolutely. i'm of the understanding that there was a taser fired first. so there was some type of perceived threat immediately preceding the shooting where one officer fires a taser and the other officer fires his weapon. so something else happened in that little window of time. the 911 caller stayed on the phone apparently for the duration of the police arrival. so the person didn't leave. there has to be something else underlying here that nobody knows about yet. >> and i think kevin's point is a good one. because if the other officer shot off -- what does that mean? what does that tell us? what was, you know, jonathan farrell doing? was he approaching them? why were they so fearful of him? is it because he was a large black man? perhaps. are we, again, now talking about a police officer's fear of a large black man? >> what is police training or
police procedure in terms of drawing your weapon and actually firing? >> you draw your weapon to in essence, it's a deescalation, believe it or not, to take your weapon out to try to freeze the situation because common sense if somebody has a gun drawn on you, you're not going to approach the person. but once you have your gun drawn, you're trying to take control, you want the person to stop, you want to keep a distance of safety, protect yourself and your partner and the public. i don't know why -- what happened that somebody fires a stun gun to taser the guy and then the second officer shoots, but i doubt that at 2:30 in the morning some cops had it in their head they were going to go kill somebody tonight. it's not in their mind. >> how is that justifiable? that's what i don't understand. yes, i think police officers are certainly trained to try to deescalate, but how is shooting off 12 rounds a de-escalation. >> also, we don't know much about the service of this officer, how long this officer had been on the force. all of these things. the more experience you have,
the more able you are to kind of think rationally in an emergency. >> you shouldn't be responding to this type of call if you aren't capable of handling -- >> but it's your job. you respond. things happen. >> mark? >> you don't get to -- right. you don't get a pass to only respond when you're out on the street to, you know, only these kinds of instances, these kind of incidents or those kind of incidents. i think what they're going to say i think they're already developing the defense. they're going to say, look, this officer was out there, they had a 911 call, the woman was clearly frightened anda agitate and scared. they responded, the taser was used. either the taser malfunctioned or didn't have the impact it was supposed to. they fired or he fired his weapon. the taser didn't work. it could be an unfortunate confluence of factors, but ultimately, it's a very tough case for the prosecution.
>> yeah. we'll leave it there. mark, sunny, kevin, thanks for coming on. there could be a break in a cold case after a grim discovery in oklahoma. skeletal remains of as many as six bodies pulled from a lake and those vehicles we have details ahead. a man in new york dangles from a fourth story window, his apartment on fire, daring rescue caught on video when we continue. la's known definitely for its traffic, congestion, for the smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the buses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution into the air. so i feel good. i feel like i'm doing my part to help out the environment.
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getting caught up on other stories we're following. >> anderson, a massive storm in western mexico has strengthened into hurricane manuel. it's one of three storms that have hit the country killing at least 80 people. heavy rains and devastating floods have stranded some 40,000 tourists. many of them in acapulco. authorities have pulled two cars from a lake that may contain the skeletal remains of up to six people. the discovery may solve two cold missing person cases dating back more than four decades. however, authorities warn
positive identification could take years if it's even possible. and, anderson, a scary sight in new york city. a man is dangling from his fourth-story window after his apartment catches fire. he didn't have a fire escape. some quick-thinking people came to the rescue with a ladder, thankfully. and we're told he escaped without serious injury. >> looks like that guy wasn't attached to rope at all. that's incredible. >> and great bravery. >> yeah, thanks. thanks very much, the ridiculist is next. ♪
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time now for the ridiculist. how many times has this happened to you? you're hanging out at a quarry in spain that's infamous for the beautiful yet treacherous terrain. >> today is the ultimate test of the steering system. you will see a hamster steering a truck from the bottom of this quarry to the top. >> yeah. according to volvo trucks, the latest steering system is so easy to handle, even a hamster can do it. now, i'm not veterinarian, but will someone tell me how a hamster is going to steer a truck when it can't even see out the window? >> the hamster cannot look out the window, so we will have the driver guide the hamster. >> the hamster running after a
carrot on a wheel to steer a truck trick. i've got to see how this one turns out. >> that was close. okay. be careful. >> yeah! >> lesson learned. if you have a hamster, let him drive your vehicle. got it? this represents leaps and bounds of respect for the majesty that is the hamster. for years we thought of him as only a star of a certain viral video. but hey, it's good enough for me. >> my favorite youtube thing is animals and my favorite animal thing is hamster on a piano.
listen. ♪ hamster on a piano ♪ hamster on a piano ♪ hamster on a piano ♪ hamster on a piano . >> of course, there is as we know a tremendous amount of competition in the rodent world. i have no idea what's going on. yes, we now have the hamster that can drive trucks, but can they skateboard? these are the skateboarding mice of radical rodents. i know what you're thinking, these are just photographs, they're not doing anything, fine, how about this one? surfing mice. there you go. there they are hanging ten. wait, do mice have ten toes? do they have hooves? i don't know. mickey mouse had the yellow shoes on, it was hard to count his toes. see, mice are all about leisure activities. is everybody stoned? i don't know what's going on. mice are all about leisure activities, ask them to test your dynamic steering system and they're all like, no way, man,
i'm going surfing, smell ya later. which is why, i believe it was esop who said this -- i don't know what is going on. you never send a mouse to do a hamster's job. that's what esop said on the ridiculist. man, long night. we'll see you again one hour from now at 360, later actually, starts at 10:00. hope you join us. "piers morgan" starts right now. this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers around the united states and around the world. tonight, a mother's anguish. >> aaron is now in a place where he can no longer do harm to anyone. and for that, i am glad. to the families of the victims, i am so, so very sorry this has happened. my heart is broken. >> i'll talk to the spiritual adviser who has been by the side of the shooter's mother all day today.