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"outfront next" outrage as washington is about to fatal american people again. why the gop is on fire and firing away. plus why is syria moving its chemical weapons again in direct definde firanc defiance of the states? an investigation into usis that vetted aaron alexis and edward snowden. what is usis? let's go outfront.
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and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the united states in crisis. the countdown is on. 11 days until the government shuts down. so what does it mean for america? >> very serious consequences for the financial markets and for the economy. >> apocalypse every three months. >> bleeding over into the consumer sector. >> it's going to do great harm to the american people. >> hundreds of thousands of federal workers will be sent home without pay. >> this is among the most fiscally reckless and dangerous things you could do. >> democrat, republican, market expert, man in charge of the american economy. washington is failing begin. and this time some republicans say they have a plan to keep funding the government. but only if they take funding for obamacare out of it. now, as we've said before, that is a nonstarter. and whether you love or loathe obamacare, that is not the point. it's a guarantee of a shutdown. and while there's plenty of waste and abuse in washington,
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the truth is a shutdown does nothing, absolutely nothing about that. outfront tonight, congressman tom cole a fourth ranking republican in the house. republican cole, great to see you. let me just start with this in your party, sir, some are taking a stand on principle that they think obamacare is bad for america and are going to stop funding it as part of this deal. obviously that will not pass the senate. it will shut down the government. is it worth it? >> well, first of all i don't think we will have a government shutdown. that's certainly not our intention. actually the bill makes sure that funding continues. now, there is a defunding provision for obamacare in the bill. this is really congress doing what it's supposed to do. that reflects what the majority thinks in the house, we'll send it to the senate. they have plenty of time to act. a number of our colleagues on the republican side over there have made the point that they think they could get it done or would like to have the opportunity. they've got some unusual tools in the filibuster and also have some democrats that they may not want to defund it but they might
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want to delay it if only for political purposes. we want to give them that opportunity. i expect the senate will send something back and the house will respond to that. i would be very surprised if we get to a government shuft shutdown. that's certainly not our aim. >> you think it is a serious proposition, though, to take the funding away for obamacare. and the only reason i ask this to you, as we all know this is the president's signature policy achievement. it has passed test after test. again i know a lot of people hate it. i'm not making a political point here. i'm just saying it's passed the supreme court. i mean, it is the law of the land. and using a shutdown to try to defund it seems a little bit ridiculous to a lot of people. >> well, remember, we've changed the law seven times already and saved about $62 billion. i think we'll continue to chip away at it where we can. but this was a unique opportunity. again, all the senate has to do is act. they don't have to do what we say. but you can't expect the house to simply follow whatever the senate dictates. so this reflects the house's
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majority will. the senate can now operate and act and frankly those senators that wanted this in their court have it in their court. we're going to see whether or not they can handle it and what they can do with it. at the end of the day if they'll send us back something then we'll react to that. the speaker's made it very clear. the last thing we want to do is shut down the government. this bill does not shut down the government. it would take nonaction by the united states senate. and let me say i expect them to act, not to sit on their thumbs so to speak. >> the speaker also said, though, of course back in march that he thought using obama care was holding the government hostage and recipe for a shutdown and thought it was irresponsible to do this. now obviously he's going ahead with it. but his heart doesn't seem to be in it. >> this isn't our final move in this particular match. again we're waiting now assuming we pass the bill tomorrow on the senate to act. when it acts we'll respond. just because we put something in there doesn't mean the senate
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has to respond. we hope they will. some of our senators over there have asked to us do that. we said okay. we'll put you in the game and see how you do. and then -- but at some point the senate will send us back a product. and i expect the house to pick that up and try to move swiftly. but again, we agree. we don't think the government ought to be shut down. i've always been an opponent of that. i don't think it's a very effective tactic. i think the political consequences of it are fairly bad for the people that actually do it. >> look, and i believe what you say. and i know a lot of you have your heart exactly where your mouth is. but the truth of it is is to the american people it's okay, now we have a deadline. we have to relitigate things that have already been litigated. obviously in this case it's obamacare. everybody says they don't want to shut the government down, but yet you guys might pass something that would defund obamacare. a democratic senate won't pass it. it looks like that's what you're doing. you're saying you don't want to do it but you're willing to do it. >> no, let's wait and see what the senate does.
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all the senate has to do is act on the legislation. they will receive anytime plenty of time. they can send it back to us with or without the defunding provision in it. then we have to respond. but the idea that somehow simply because we sent it over there means that they'll acquiesce, again we hope they will. we think some of our senators want a opportunity. they certainly have been talk about it. let's give them that opportunity and see what they do. at the end of the day the senate will send us back a product. we'll deal with that. i think we're at the beginning of really about a 75-day negotiation where we try and deal with the end of the fiscal year, with the sequester, with the debt ceiling and continue progress on the deficit. so i expect this is the first move in a much larger negotiation. >> you just ruined my day, killed my night and broke my heart. 75 days of this hell hole. congressman cole, thank you very much. >> i'm so sorry, erin. >> everybody watching you're making a lot of tears flow. thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> you bet. our second story outfront, 75 days of hell. no, actually it's this.
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who pays the political price for the shutdown? john king is here. john, see here's the thing. this is tom cole, fourth ranking republican in the house. the guy who just said this summer that shutting down the government to get your way over an unrelated piece of legislation, ie obamacare, is the political equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. >> right. >> now it sounds like he's totally in line. what the heck happened? >> erin, you're saying this is a bad thing. you're going to be able to tell your children and grandchildren your once lived in a parallel universe. the house republicans have now taken a complete about face to be loyal to their speaker. you're right about what congressman cole said this summer. pete king the congressman from new york the republican said just yesterday or the day before it would be a kamikaze mission for the house to do this. today he says great let's do it. the speaker has decided because he has no choice to do this in round one, to pass the legislation. probably happen tomorrow. send it over to the senate. it keep the government running no. funding for the president's health care plan. the senate most likely will send it back with the funding and then the challenge begins.
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first on keeping the government open, i take the congressman at his word and the speaker doesn't want to shut down the government. if the senate leaves the money in there the house will act again and try again on health care. will they try to cut part of it, d delay it a year? we're going to go through the dance at least a week or so on the shutdown. as the congressman rightfully noted on the debt ceiling. >> i believe no one wants to shut the government down. but they're like we don't want to shut it down as long as i get my own way. i find it deeply frustrating. what about john boehner? you look at the public and you look at the polls and they blame the gop for this loud and spanking clear, right? john boehner was totally against this obamacare move. and yet now he's doing it. does he have control over the party? >> he is at risk of losing control over his caucus, which is why he's doing this to try to keep control. what he's doing to them is saying here's your carrot. i'm going to give you the vote even though i think it's a bad idea. i don't think we should do this
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but fine. you guys have the numbers. let's do it. we're going to send it over to the senate. the challenger infor his leadership will be when it comes back. how do you avoid a government shutdown? what else do you try to give those tea party conservatives? and let's be honest here, republicans are heading into a mid-term election cycle where john boehner thinks they can pick up some seats in the house, at least preserve their majority. on the senate side republicans have the chance to be the majority in the senate. so veteran republican strategists say what we're doing here angers independents, it convinces people we're not a serious governing party, and it will hurt us next year. why would we do this? but that vocal minority that's pushing it, most of them go home to 65 to 70% republican districts. the president lost them by 20, 25 points. they are not at risk and not looking at the big picture. many of them promised this to the voters. i'm not criticizing them per se but they're not looking at this from a gompk perspective. >> no. from a perspective of their small electorate. you can see where they're coming from but it is frustrating.
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thank you, john. >> 75 days of parallel universe. 75 days. all right. still to come, developing tonight syria moving its chemical weapons in defiance of the united states. where and why breaking news tonight. plus a strange twist in that story of the 14-year-old girl kidnapped from her home. her rescue captured the nation's attention. officials frantically searching for the child and they arrested two men. but the mother of that girl could be in trouble tonight. plus the home of a former nfl player trashed by 300 kids. and he is not going to let them get away with it. we have a report on what he's doing now. and we're going to take you to a place where floods from killed 80 people and the water is rising tonight. [ male announcer ] introducing new fast acting advil. with an ultra-thin coating and fast absorbing advil ion core™ technology, it stops pain before it gets worse. nothing works faster.
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our second story "outfront" a developing story tonight. syria's chemical weapons on the move in a major act of defiance, president bashar al assad is moving his massive stockpile of poise. the united states has no idea what he's doing with it. according to american suspicions
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tonight, the movement has all occurred since september 14th. that is the day when secretary of state john kerry made a deal with russia to secure and destroy syria's weapons. a deal that syria has now embraced. but seems to be completely defying. pentagon correspondent barbara starr broke this news today. barbara, obviously this is a significant headline. it might not surprise a lot of people but it's a big deal. what does the intelligence really show? >> well, that's the problem, erin, right there. since september 14th, the u.s. intelligence community's been getting information that syria is moving some of that stockpile. why? what's the motivation? two possibilities, basically. they're moving it to consolidate it so they can declare it to the international community. the intelligence community is pretty skeptical about that scenario. the concern, of course, is that they are moving it to conceal and hide it. so when inspectors come in when this destruction program theoretically starts they won't find everything that they're looking for. the syrians won't declare it. it will have moved.
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how are they finding this intelligence? u.s. satellites well-known fly overhead. they've been seeing vehicles move, trucks, pull up to some of these chemical weapons storage sites and then drive away. what's in there? how much material? these are all the key questions. there is a lot of skepticism here at the pentagon and in the intelligence community that syria is really even thinking about living up to its part of the deal. >> so i know the question then will be, proving that beyond a reasonable doubt enough to get action. i mean, does this mean that the whole plan that bashar al assad publicly embraced even last night, right, that i'm going to give all my chemical weapons to international control is dead on arrival. because obviously fit means that, that means strikes have to come right back on the table which the president of course i'm sure is very loathe to do. >> well, it's going to depend i suppose on how much you believe or how much anybody believes what assad says. so what is the intelligence community doing to develop its
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own information? its case counter to what the russians are saying to what the syrian regime is saying. those satellites are flying overhead. they're using communications intercepts, very well-known. they have spies on the ground, so to speak. people inside syria in neighboring countries who are reporting in what they see. gathering all the intelligence they can. the russians are trying to assure the u.s. that everything will go well. but you know, the syrians will declare everything they have. right now there's a big chunk. the pentagon, the cia, the intelligence community, that isn't quite willing to buy that just yet. a lot of skepticism tonight, erin. >> a lot of skepticism. i don't think anybody would say they trust bashar al assad on that. barbara starr significant breaking news tonight. our fourth story "outfront" georgia abduction twist. when 14-year-old ayvani perez you see there was found safe yesterday, the focus of the investigation into her kidnapping shifted to the suspected kidnappers. but cnn has learned one of the
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suspects in custody was also arrested last year with perez's mother. ayvani perez was kidnapped during a home invasion on tuesday. investigators now say this wasn't random. this is a case that sort of captivate add lot of people around the country. martin savidge has been covering it. martin, last night when we spoke you said there are a lot of strange things here and questions to be answered. tonight, though, we'll celebrate her return. today those strange questions that you raised are loud and clear. what happened? >> reporter: we're starting to find out here that there are a couple of recurring themes here, not necessarily good ones. first of all as you've already pointed out here, this does not appear now to be a random home invasion with a kidnapping. number two we're also finding out there could be as many as six suspects involved here. lastly there was a reoccurring theme. that theme seems to be drugs and money. let's talk about the suspects and the relationships to the kidnap victim's mother. she was arrested last year along with a man who is also under arrest in connection with the kidnapping of her daughter.
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what's the relationship? well, at that time it was a drug bust that had the two of them wrapped up. charges were dropped against both the mother and that man. but you wonder what is their relationship? how do they know one another? how are they related in this case or the case previous? that's still being worked out. authorities won't talk about it. but it's a link. and that link is not one that points to randomness. so it's not looking good on that particular point. >> no. and term a story that seemed to be a good story turning into something darker. thank you, martin. our fifth story "outfront," teens trash a former nfl player's home. big mistake. this is what ex-offensive lineman brian holloway's house looked like earlier this week. graffiti, garbage, thousands of dollars worth of damage. disgusting kids. turns out neighborhood teenagers broke in and invited hundreds of friends to party. wait until you find out how holloway found out how the teens were caught. lori segal up front.
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>> reporter: broken windows, widespread graffiti, stolen family treasures. 300 high schoolers broke into former nfl player ryan holloway's 200-acre estate. they threw a party while he was away. but holloway watched it unfold live on twitter. >> so you were on vacation in florida and your home was being vandalized. people were partying in your home. and you watched this all unfold online, right? >> well, sure. i was following the tweets. and you could see the conversation go from this is the greatest party ever, i can't believe we broke in here, look at all these people drinking. this is amazing. look at her. she drank too much. look, we can't even wake her up. who cares? of oh, my god the cops are here. run to the woods and get rid of all the drugs. >> reporter: $20,000 worth of damage. >> you know, the carpets, they were soaked. i walked on them, and they would squish like a sponge. and you could tell from the smell in the room, i mean, it's we' are beer, liquor, vomit,
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urine, and all that went down. >> reporter: holloway took matters into his own hands, publicly posting the names and tweets online. a call for parents to take note. >> what was going on in these 300 kids' minds and how this made sense, how did we get so far off track? where are we now? and what do we do to get moving in the right direction? >> reporter: some of the kids that broke in knew brian's son growing up. >> a lot of people were saying, please take my picture off. like i don't deserve this. i need to go to college. but the thing is, when we offered them a chance to come redeem themselves the next day, only one student showed up to help clean up the mess. >> reporter: but the former nfl player feels like it's time for a digital wake-up call. >> this is happening right now. i am telling you right now there are kids across this country that are planning the same sort of flash party, and they're tweeting and communicating about it right now. and it's going to go down tomorrow. i assure you. and so this is a shout out to
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all those other parents and community members. you need to take a good look at this and you need to determine how you're going to go about dealing with this issue. >> reporter: lori segan, cnn money, new york. >> we are rooting for him because he is absolutely right. still to come has the pope gone too far? the holy father makes strong comments today and conservative catholics are fighting back hard. plus a controversy paradox. showing sympathy for those with ptsd or making security clearance tougher to obtain? is that choice making america unsafe? and then, this car case comes to violent end. but the crime did not stop there. and the shout out tonight an attempted theft thwarted. a 75-year-old woman you see there was nearly knocked to the ground after her purse was stolen. fortunately the suspect didn't get very far. according to m a local delivery man stopped the suspect, other men jumped him helping to tackle her to the ground and holding her until the police could arrive. the shout out goes to those men
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." in an interview released in 16 countries today, a rare interview, pope francis says the catholic church does not have the right to quote interfere spiritually in the lives of gays and lesbians. so the media has been read into the pope's statement as unprecedented tolerance of gays. this is part of a trend in the media they've seen from pope francis. but some catholics including bill donahue of the catholic league say this is a miss interration. he said "pope francis unequivocally rejects both
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abortion and gay marriage. meanwhile cardinal timothy dolan says pope francis is quote a man who profoundly believes in the mercy of a loving god. he sure is. taking the church on. that was my comment, not his quote. well, america's largest bank on the line for $1.3 billion. jpmorgan chase ordered to refund $309 million to customers, pay 80 million in fines about credit card billing and yet another $80 billion in fines over the london wales trading scandal. the ceo said the bank has acknowledged our mistakes from the start and has worked to fix them. diamond respected as a risk manager on wall street has take an big hit over that trade that generated $6 billion in paper losses. he initially characterized the storm over it of course as a term pet in a teapot. a shocking story out of miami involve aring a shooting, a car chase and a parent's suicide. we'll show you this it first unfolds in a 48-year-old man
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allegedly shoots and kills his ex-girlfriend and her daughter. a horrible tragedy and then the suspect antonio falue, leads officers on a high-speed chase endangering more lives which ends when he crashes into the car you see there. he killed another driver. when officers tried approaching his suv they report shots are fired. police then call in the s.w.a.t. team only to find falue took his own life. investigators later discovered hydroponic library inside falue's home and seized 43 marijuana plants. horrible story. the odds of winning powerball are ridiculously bad. 1 in 175 million. obviously that means there is one winner that. winner bought the powerball ticket in the small town of lexington, south carolina. the jackpot this time $400 million. the ticket sold at a gas station. so it often seemed to us emphasis on seemed, that the winning tickets are sold in gas stations. we checked it out to see if what seems to be true actually is
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true and it is! of 22 recent wins, 10 were sold at gas stations, four at supermarkets. then there was watone each at a pharmacy, airport and ice cream shop. it has been 775 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. as we count down to that government shutdown according to a cbo record, federal debt will reach 100% of gdp in 25 years. importantly, the cbo says that does not account for the negative effects a growing debt will have on the u.s. economy. currently nearly half of all federal spending goes to the entitlement social security medicare and medicaid, up from just 23% ten years ago. now our sixth story "outfront," cnn tonight has learned that the same company that conducted the background check for navy yard gunman aaron alexis also vetted nsa leaker edward snowden. just stop and consider that for a second. the company name is usis and it vetted alexis in 2007 and edward
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snow den in 2011. usis is a private government contractor currently under investigation. now alexis's background including as you now know his history of troubled mental health has been a focal point for investigators who have been asking, how in the world this person was able to get security clearance. pentagon correspondent chris lawrence is "outfront." chris, these are the kinds of things where you think there's no way this could be true because it's just so -- it's just so shocking it's almost like a parody. but what can you tell us about usis and this development? >> reporter: erin, just a couple days ago usis said we didn't do his background check. now the company is saying oh, we did. it's not surprising because usis conducts about half of all the background checks for the federal government. now, they say they are not allowed to retain any of the records about that background check. but federal officials have told us that some of aaron alexis'
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run-ins with the law as well as his serious mental health issues occurred after that initial background check. aaron alexis told police he was hallucinating and hearing voices. he once got so mad he shot out the tires on someone's car. alexis' family also claims he suffered from ptsd after being a first responder on 9/11. and still he kept his security clearance. >> i mean, the political correctness -- >> reporter: some lawmakers argue the government has watered down the security clearance screening process for all members of the military. >> want to be politically correct. we don't want to stigmatize anybody. >> reporter: to remove that stigma, advocates lobbied for an exception to the security clearance questionnaire. suicide rates were spiking and more troops and vets were seeking mental health care. in 2008, the government said, if you sought mental health counselling related to having been in military combat, you do not have to disclose that. alexis was never in combat. but veterans expect his actions
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to ignite some criticism over the questionnaire. >> i think we will be called on to defend this question and defend the change that was made in 2008. >> reporter: iraq and afghanistan veterans say tighter standards would make them so scared of losing their clearances they just wouldn't seek help at all. >> because they're concerned about their employment. they're concerned about their career. >> reporter: in march, the government proposed changing the actual question to ask, in the last seven years, have you had a mental health condition that would cause an objective observer to have concern about your judgment, reliability, or trustworthiness in relation to your work? >> i think that the proposed changes make things even more vague than they were before. >> reporter: attorney sheldon cohen has counsel said people through the security clearance process. he says the change may encourage some people to self-report, but ultimately the screenings are not even designed to predict if say an employee like alexis will
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one day try to kill his co-workers. >> these are designed to determine if you're the kind of person that can safeguard classified information. >> reporter: we're also learning new information about what happened at that navy yard. authorities now believe that aaron alexis came out of the bathroom with the shotgun and methodically but randomly started shooting people on the third and fourth floors, not down into the atrium as we first believed. they say there was no pattern to it. and at some point he went down to the first floor, shot a security guard and took his handgun. when authorities found him, he was in a room filled with cubicles and they had to clear those cubicles one by one until they got to him. at that point he engaged them and they shot aaron alexis. erin? >> thank you very much, chris lawrence. now our seventh story "outfront," new ally or wolf in sheep's clothing? so just tonight, just coming out in the "washington post," an op ed by the new president of iran,
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hassan rouhani offering to broker a peace deal between the west and syria. it seems syria we just reported tonight breaking news here on cnn that's moving its chemical weapons out of u.s. eyes. and what could be the most significant gesture in more than three decades, the new president of iran also tweeted today that he quote has not ruled out the possibility of meeting with president obama at the u.n. general assembly next week, adding quote everything is possible in the world of politics. everything and nothing, perhaps. cnn's jim sciutto is out front tonight with the latest. jim, in the "washington post" op ed that i just referenced, rouhani said he wants to get involved in the talks between the syrian government and the opposition. i'm just curious, we hear about this man. he's a reformer. others say no he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. he's just saying all these nice things. what do you think? how significant is all this talk? >> reporter: well, i've been to iran a number of times. i've always thought the term reformer is overused in iran. in general it's just different
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shades of hard liners there. this is a regime that's intent on its own survival. that said, there are different approaches. and this is as you said unprecedented outreach. i've spoken to a number of people, and they call it the most significant outreach since the 1979 revolution. and because it is quite broad. you have this invitation to the u.s. president to meet at the unga next week. you have an outreach to jews after years of his predecessor maligning jews and talking about pushing israel into the ocean, et cetera. and now you have this editorial where syria is offering to broker a peace agreement in syria or iran is offering to broker that agreement, potentially significant because iran is syria's main backer, and by doing that it would be in effect recognizing the syrian opposition as legitimate. that said i can't imagine the syrian opposition wanting iran to be an unbiassed broker. but still, taken together you have a very different approach to the outside world. and u.s. officials that i've spoken to are at least intrigued
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by this, but they've been down this path before and they want to see action in addition to the words. >> intrigued and of course it's interesting i hear from israeli sources and also from arab sources, they actually agree, many of them, that they don't trust what he says. this is a man who previously used a period of peace with the west on the nuclear issue as a time to later brag that's when he made the most progress on the nuclear program. this is coming at times when there's reports that senior military officials in iran said if the u.s. does anything in syria, attack the american embassy in iraq. now, if other countries said that the united states might be at war. but they're not in this case. this is what's happening with iran on the one hand. on the other hand, people are talk about talks. >> reporter: no question. and remember, terrorism has always been a tool of iran's foreign policy particularly through a terrorist group like hezbollah and will likely remain so, iran behind some of the attacks on u.s. troops in iraq and afghanistan. we know that based on tracing the sources of some of the more
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dangerous ieds there. i think when you look at this, though, the one reason why it's credible iran is reaching out now and wants a different interaction with the west, particularly the u.s., is that these sanctions that it has been suffering under as a result of its nuclear program for a number of years, they've gotten a lot tighter, are truly crippling the economy. it's very painful. and that leads to questions in this regime about its own survival. and this what is dr. rouhani has said, that he was elected in this most recent presidential election to help lessen the effects of those sanctions. so it doesn't have to be a change of heart or the iranians have suddenly found god on this or become warm and fuzzy. it could be that very practical issue of survival in light of very severe sanctions which the people won't tolerate. remember, iran is looking at countries all of its neighbors, these regimes, its old friends are falling due to popular uprisings. and you have to think they're
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thinking in the back of their mind that could be us next. >> thank you very much, jim sciutto. still "outfront," senator john mccain blasts russian president vladimir putin today. but is he a monster of america's making. then 40 years after the disappearance of six people police find the bodies submerged in a nearby lake. why aren't they sure they found the right people? and floods take 80 lives, hundreds more are missing. we're going to go to the scene. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing. like carpools...
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to mexico tonight where at least 97 people are dead, dozens missing, 40,000 tourists stranded after two major storms hit the country's west coast. mexican president is calling the damage catastrophic and shasta darlington is following the story. and i asked her about it. >> erin, just take a look around me. here the streets are still flooded, people are literally shoveling mud out of their homes, many of them lost the few belongings that they had. at the same time, the air force is airlifting supplies into communities totally cut off, and thousands of tourists are just trying to get out of what should be a tropical paradise, erin. >> thanks to shasta. now our eighth story "outfront," six bodies discovered in a pair of cars after decades underwater in the same lake. forensic investigators combing through a controversy of evidence discovered by accident this week in that lake in
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western oklahoma. while they already have some clues, confirming the identities of the bodies and how they got there is actually going to be incredibly time consuming and difficult. ed lavendara has been on the scene from the beginning and he's "outfront." >> reporter: this was jimmy williams standing next to his bright blue 1969 camaro bought six days before he disappeared 43 years ago. a sweet driving muscle car that would be the envy of any teenage boy. this is what oklahoma investigators believe that car looks like now, a corroded jelly-like carcass found sitting at the bottom of foss lake in western oklahoma. it was one of two cars found there this week, containing the remains of six bodies. when williams and two other teenage friends disappeared in 1970, his family spread missing posters all over their hometown of sayre, oklahoma, offering a $500 reward. the teenagers were believed to either be on their way to a football game or on a hunting
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expedition. no one really knows. but we did see investigators uncover two corroded rifles from the car. investigators say they have not ruled out foul play yet, but they suspect that these six victims accidentally drowned, that the cars rolled back into the water and the victims were trapped inside. the cars were discovered by a team of divers with the oklahoma highway patrol. darrel spawn and his colleagues were testing new sonar equipment. >> you can't see anything the it's too murky. >> reporter: it wasn't until the cars were pulled out of the water that the gruesome and mysterious discovery was made. >> could have been a shoe. but then whenever we brought them up onto the shore, that was whenever the doors opened and you could see the skeletal remains in them. >> reporter: that's your grandfather right there? >> john alba porter is believed to be one of the victims in the second car. he and two friend were last seen driving a 1950s chevy when they disappeared in 1969, a year before the teenagers went missing this.
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could be what that car looks like now. his granddaughter, debbie mcmanaman says her family used to look out onto this water and wonder. we'd always, you know, maybe grandpa's in the lake. maybe he had an accident and he's in the lake. >> you used to say that? >> yeah. even since i've been married and an adult, we would come up here, maybe grandpa's in the lake. maybe that's where he's at. >> reporter: a random thought that may turn out to be oddly prophetic. ed lavandara. >> dr. kobalinski, we can identify king tut, king richard iii was under a parking lot in britain and they were able to identify him. they're saying they can't identify these bodies that are just a few decades old. how come? >> well, i think they can identify these bodies. there are things that anthropologists can do just to assemble this mixture of bones
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and separate them out into the individual they can tell the ethnicity, the gender, the height. >> but why is it going to take so long when it was so quick, for example, recently with richard iii? >> there's no soft tissue first of all. >> you mean skin. >> no skin, no muscle. the only thing you've got is sket stall remains. the only way we can identify them is through dental records or x-rays if there were fractions for example but then you'd have to get those records. other than that you're down to dna. the way we do bones is throu mitochondrial dean nature. we've got it narrowed down to six possible people. through dna we may be able to do that. it may take some time. >> you're saying there really is often skin, muscle left on very, very old skeletons. obviously not in this case because of the water. >> most of the time we're
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talking about mitochondrial dna out of bone. very seldom do you have nuclear dna which gives you much different identification statistics. >> we've also been hearing rifles, wallets, purses come together surface now, which is eerie and bizarre after all of this time. that obviously would be crucial in this particular case, right? >> absolutely. not just the skeletal remains but anything else in and around the car, finding a wallet, finding a shoe. for example, you find a shoe. it's got a certain size. and you can then say, well, perhaps this size 9 fits this skeleton. >> that shoe could last that long underwater. >> absolutely. if you find evidence of guns, for example, that would be consistent with the teenagers that were out to go shooting. >> all right. well, thank you very much, doctor. fascinating a mystery like this one lake and six people then how it's tied together. thank you. >> it's a mystery. it's time for tonight's" outfront outtakes." today john mccain slammed
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russian president vladimir putin. a week agopute tin wrote that op ed in the "new york times" among which he said america was not exceptional. today john mccain filed back. in pravda mccain said putin rules by weaknesses, using corruption repression and violence. he rules for himself not for you. talking to the russian people. it's the latest sign that u.s. lawmakers now consider russia and putin a real threat. do you remember a year ago when mitt romney was mocked for saying russia was america's quote biggest geopolitical foe? now more and more u.s. lawmakers agree. here's democratic senator chuck schumer. >> and as long as prime minister putin acts like a bully, we have only one choice, to stand up to him and show him that bullies pay a price. >> this is exactly the the kind of talk putin wants. the russian president works very hard to create a cultive personality where he's strong,
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powerful and important. and oppeds like jok mccains and what chuck schumer said play into that. the more america says putin is relevant and dangerous the more the rest of the world cease him as relevant and dangerous. if you don't believe it putin will tell him himself. when mitt romney called russia a threat a year ago putin said i'm grateful for romney for formulating his stance so clearly. vladimir putin wants to be seen as important, and u.s. lawmakers might be his greatest promoters. a new poll that just came out shows 50% of americans now see russia as an enemy. that is up from just 20% in 2006. still "outfront," e harmony says it can help you fall in love with your job. hey linda!
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>> i pronounce you husband and wife. >> 13 years ago, the world was introduced to the perfect couple, e harmony met the internet. together they ignited a cultural phenomenon. the company proudly takes credit for 500,000 weddings and counting. >> is it a yes? >> yes. >> dr. neill warren started e harmony when he was almost 70 years old. he was a psychologist counselling unhappy married couples when a friend made a suggestion. >> so where did the original idea come from? >> well, it came from a man by the name of pete hart who was the ceo of master card. and he said to me one day, he said, you know, something has to be done to help marriage in america because so many marriages are dying. i said i know. i said, i think i presided over the funerals of more marriages than anybody in america because i'm so old. and he said, well, he said, i think the only way we're going to do it is on the internet. >> e harmony is now one of the most recognized online dating brands in the $2 billion a year
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