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few million black soldier fly eggs day. that's roughly 2 million tons of animal feed. >> we could say they respond. they're responding positively. >> right now it's only available in ohio but it's expected to get approval from the fda by next year. >> well, we've devoted ourselves to this. we're very serious about what we're doing. we're on a mission, and we plan on succeeding, and we're not going to quit. we're going to keep going. >> what's worse? corn or bugs? anderson starts now. erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. they didn't want to answer our questions, so today lawmakers grilled them. we were there, though, following up on our year-long investigation, an investigation that's already shut down a lot of clinics. also a rapist is free tonight after serving just a month for his crime. that's right, a month. his victim was 14 years old, and she later killed herself. the judge in the case described the victim as, quote, older than her chronological age.
we begin, though, with breaking news tonight out of kenya. kenyan authority says they have a person in custody they believe was one of the terrorists in the nairobi shopping mall attack. authorities were concerned that he might have tried to flee in the chaos, slipping out with the panicked crowds. also tonight moult eyewitnesses say several young women, young women were along the attackers and one of them was a white woman. authorities are much more cautious with a senior government official saying they only know of one woman for sure and it was not paz to identify that woman's ethnicity at this point. the bodies of the six terrorists are believed to be trapped in the rubble of the collapsed parking garage in the mall. she's been covering the story from the beginning. these new details about women being among the attacks, according to eyewitnesses, what do we know about this? >> a number of people that we spoke to were very cat goric
that they saw women amongst the attackers and this white woman they say appeared to be, in fact, giving orders and firing indiscriminately into the crowd. as you said, kenyan authorities are being slightly circumspect about this but they do acknowledge there's a growing body of evidence leading them to believe it to be true but they can't say for now, anderson. >> eyewitness reports, you always have to take them with a grain of salt. there have been a lot of reports about this british woman, so-called white widow and about her poeshl being involved. what do you know about her? tell us what you know about her. >> reporter: well, today the kenyan authorities requested it through interpol which activate as trip wire where police if they come across her, attempt to arrest her ought put into motion
extradition to kenya. this, they say, to do with charges that stem back to 2011 where she was suspected in an involvement of a plot to blow up a hotel, also frequented by westerns in the kenyan town of mow ba sa. the times, anderson, that's raised a few eyebrows to say the least. >> so her name is samantha lu lewthwaite. she was the wife of one of the london bombers? >> reporter: yes, she was. actually she's the daughter of a british souldier. she's a convert to islam. and i remember seeing all the interviews after the 77 bombing how she was cat goric about the actions shchl e then disappear off the radar for a while and popped up in 2011 at a house of another suspect kenyan
authorities were pursuing. she managed to escape then. they found a passport, an extraordinary amount of weaponry and an awful lot of money and she's been on the run since then, anderson. >> that's fascinating. have they gained access to the mall? what are they doing there? >> reporter: well, we understand that they didn't gain access immediately, but since yesterday morning they have been on the ground, they have been in there, and that mainly what they're doing is they're involved with the forensic investigation. we've seen pictures of the collapsed parking lot, the fires, the detonations that are happening. the kenyans need all the help they can get. they're involved themselves with the chain of evidence and specifically the forensics in this, anderson. >> yeah. i mean looking at the devastation inside that mall, it's incredible the death toll, you know, is what it is right now. it seems very likely it will go up as they'rable to start to sift through some of that. it looks like several floors
collapsed. i appreciate the update, nina. another alert has gotten the world's attention. the u.s. state department has renewed its global terrorism alert. today u.s. attorney general eric holder said, quote, there is no specific credible evidence that al shabaab is plans anything here in the united states, but as we said, the fbi is on the ground in nairobi, combing the records of the mall. joining me now is national analyst dan berger. steve moore also joins me. he is a former fbi super advisory agent. you've dealt with these before when you were in the bush administration. what's the significance of it? what does it mean? >> it means they found interpol will review the charges levied against her by the kenyan government. they believe there is propable cause so they've made some judgment about the bona fides of
the charges. then it's like an international arrest notice, right? so any time she crosses the border or comes in contact with the law enforcement, they will run it against the database that will show this red notice that allows them to take her into custody until they contact the interpol until they can file charges for extradition. >> peter, you know how these terrorist groups operate. would you be surprised if this woman lugtweight was part of it? >> very surprise, this is part of a group of misogynists who believe women shouldn't be do it it. we've seen them employ female suicide attackers to carry a bomb but if what nina was describeward a woman was actually firing automatic weapons and, you know, playing a leading role in this operation, that would be, i think, quite unusual. >> there were reports, though,
from eyewitnesses of multiple women. didn't chechen military, chechen terrorists use women in attacks as well? >> that's a good point. there was a huge attack on a theater in moscow where women were amongst the operatives. i just -- you know, i haven't seen it with al shabaab, the group responsible for the kenyan attack. i haven't seen it with groups affiliated with al qaeda. they're happy to send women as suicide bombers but it's unusual for them to play an operational role. that doesn't mean they can't be involved in financing it or supporting it in some other way, but it would be unusual. >> steve, you investigated the last attack. the team has eight agents on the ground in kenya right now. we're talking with nina. but their foe kiss right now is on forensics. exactly what does that entail and is eight agents enough?
>> well, eight agents isn't enough. i supervised the attack on the -- the u.s. embassy attack on karachi, pakistan. you saw the hole and the size of the ground. you couldn't excavate it and get what you need. you would need dozens and dozens of agents. looking at that crime scene plus the rest of the mall, i'd need over 100 agents to work that. mine if you want to lose that for a year, fine, but you're going to lose a lot of evidence on the way. >> a hundred agents. it seemed a lot of the evidence is outside in terms of the parking deck. >> it's not going to be so bad here because it's nonan explosion. when you really want go get in is when you want to get explosive residue off of bodies, vehicles, things like that. that degrades very quickly. this was -- i think we know the cause of the explosion here. even the bodies as they degrade,
you're still going to be able to get the evidence out of them, the dna, the objects as hard as it sounds, the on jelkts that are within the body that would give an indication of how they died and at whose hands they died. >> what is it particularly that's the most important thing to try to get out of this? i mean you said that -- you know the cause of the explosions. i would say assume it's i.e.d.s set by these groups. so what are they actually trying to find? the identities of these attackers? first of all you want to find out if it is an i.e.d. set by the group or if they used some kind of rpg to try to get the terrorists out. so, yeah, you're going the try to find that. you're trying to find out who the victims are and who the attackers are. the way you do that very simply is you find all the missing people reports, you match the bodies with the dna taken off of the family members who reported them missing because frankly fingerprints are useful in third
world countries. and then the ones who have nobody missing them are reliably going to be your terrorists. >> peter, in terms of al shabaab, their capabilities, do they have capabilities inside the united states? we know a lot of americans, a few dozen americans have been recruited, mostly from the sew mally community. could they launch here in the united states and particularly this kind of attack, you know, a couple of handfuls of gunmen going into a mall. >> i think it's quite unlikely. for all of them, it's been a one-way ticket. some have been killed. three or four have been suicide attackers. the justice department and fbi has been doing it for years, looking into these folks. i think if they came back to the united states, they'd be arrested. joining shabab is a crime. now, you know, on the other hand, there are plenty of american targets in kenya itself and other areas whether it's
americans going on safari, american businesses. that, of course, these are often soft targets. so that's the real concern, i think, rather than happening here in the u.s. >> fran, do you agree with that? >> i think it is unlikely. i think it's unlikely by those who left the united states to go and fight with al shabaab. what you worry about is a small cell here in the united states radicalized over the internet. we've seen this happen with al awlaki when he was alive. see, that's what i worry about. truthfully, anderson, soft target attacks, whether it's malls, hotels, that kind of attack has long been the focus. the hard-nosed targets to make people more aware so they watch for suspicious behavior, so you try to disrupt that. >> fran townsend, peter bergen, steve moore, thanks for being on. i appreciate that.
as we said, there's no con fir authentication that samantha lukt weight known as the white widow was involved in that mall attack but there is growing concern about it. if the notion of a female terrorist sounds strange or unlikely as peter and i were talking about this, there is precedence for it. they do exist. watch. before the white widow, there were the black widows, a name given to female chechen militants who were part of the struggle for chechen independents. were first seen as hostage takers in the theater attack in 2002. it was to be seeking revenge for husbands lost in the war. they were dressed all in black and wore so-called martyr belts. they were involved in a series of suicide bombings. this man was trying to diffuse a bomb outside a restaurant in 2003. he died when the bomb went off. a number of females were
involved in terrorist attacks for the irish republican army. rose dougdale was one of the most infamo she joined the ira the 1970s and later blew up a police station. she sevened time in jail. years later she spoke to the irish public broadcasting her experiences. >> there come a time where you may or may not want to kill people. >> reporter: the long simmering palestini palestinian/israeli conflict created a bunch of terrorists. this grandmother attempted to blow up people in 2006. she died after detonating explosives in her belt. her family saying she wanted to become a martyr. but female terrorists haven't only been terrorists overseas. patty hearst back revolutionalized after she was kidnapped in 174. she later claimed she was brain
washed by the group. >> and jihad jane, a radicalized philadelphia woman who participated online and later plieded guilty to supporting terrorism. another example that terrorism knows know boundaries, whether they be geographic or gender. let us know what you think. phone me at twitter #ac360. also ahead, stacey rambold is a free man tonight. he served a month for raping a former student. she just 14 years old. that's him scurrying away from our reporter and cameras. his victim later killed herself. could he go back to jail after serving 30 days? we'll get the latest from kyung lah straight ahead. [ male announcer ] introducing new fast acting advil.
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keeping you honest tonight. california grilled legislators after a year-long investigation by cnn. if you're a regular view ore f the program you know the hearing centered on allegations of fraud in california's fraud program. our investigation found fraud so egregious, so bad that as a result, 174 drug rehab locations were suspended with some even shut down. cnn's drew griffin repeatedly for a long time tried to ask the people in charge of the program why they weren't doing more to stop the fraud. his reporting uncovered.
many didn't want to answer. watch what happens when you finally track down an official diana dooley who runs the agency who was supposed to oversee the program. >> reporter: drew griffin with cnn. >> how are you doing? >> reporter: we've been trying to reach you and talk about the widespread fraud in the drug rehab business. but we're told that nobody will talk to us about it. in an uncomfortable moment the secretary at first refused to speak. secretary do you know alex forgetman, a convicted felon who apparently run once of these clinics and has been billing the state of california for several years despite the fact that there have been complaints registered with the department about him? he was convicted of a major insurance fraud in the state of texas but somehow was able to get certified and has been billing them. i'm just wondering if there's anybody concerned about this
fraud. then finally answered the question. >> the state of california takes fraud very seriously and there are many investigations that are under way. the allegations, all allegations are given full and fair consideration. and you've caught me running because i am late for a meeting. >> there were certainly not a lot of answers in that interv w interview. once we enter thad interview which was trank friday kind of embarrassing, came on and answered questions but, frankly, that official didn't have many answers either. you have no idea what happened in the past? you have no idea who's responsible? >> what my focus is on now, anderson, is making sure i'm rooting out all the fraud. we're having all our investigators, resources rule out this fraud. >> for a year you've been investigating. have you not shut down any in that year? >> i can't give you the numbers right now. >> so you can't name one clinic that you shut down in the entire
year that you were -- >> these are open -- no. these are open investigations, anderson. >> can you name one of the felons running the clinics that drew has talked to. can you name one person, one clinic that you've actually shut down or stop -- >> again, the focus is -- again, anderson, our focus is on rooting out this fraud. >> i feel bad that -- i mean i appreciate you being on tonight and i know your boss didn't want to talk and i appreciate you being on, but you only have one talking point and you continue to say it. in fact, you answer every time by saying, again, just verifies that you're giving the same answer over and over again. as you can see, not a lot of answers from that interview. today, the next step. lawmakers demand answers. here's drew's report. >> reporter: after weeks and even months of dodging cnn's questions concerning rampant frotd in california's drug medi-cal system, the head of california's health care services toby douglas today went before state legislators,
confirmed the fraud has been out of control, and apologized. >> what we are uncovering in terms of the fraud and the other issues with the drug medi-cal program is completely unacceptable and i'm hour to tell you that we are sorry. >> reporter: while legislators grilled douglas on why it took a news report to get the agency to act, the state has confirmed it is, in fact, now acting. >> the system didn't work well, that it was a fractured system, that there was a systematic failures within the state. it is true that many of the problems came to light through investigative reporting. >> reporter: 64 cases are being investigated through the state's didn't of justice. 174 clinic sites have also been suspended including every single clinic exposed in our rehab racket series. sir -- wait a minute now. did he call back and say he's not coming?
this past july cnn and the center for gettive reporting exposed widespread fraud in the nation's largest medicaid system. we found that in the last two years half the nearly 186 million dollar spent on drug medi-c medi-cal, about $94 million, went to clinics that have shown questionable billing practices or signs of fraud. >> personally as a physician who cares for children on medi-cal, i'm outraged to learn people are cheating taxpayers. >> reporter: dr. richard pan who heads the state's health care committee today says as a physician himself he's offended the fraud was allowed to go on and he says as of today it must stop. >> the same people that are apologizin apologizing, the same people seeing this systematic failure and fraught throughout the system are the same people now who are telling you they're going fix the problem. are you satisfied? >> there's going to be ongoing work. i am happy to see that they have
made progress, but clearly under testimony, think there's still unfinished work. there's an immediate problem, but we need to make sure we have the fundamental problems in place. >> drew joins us. basically everything in our reporting, not trying to defend anything. why the change? >> reporter: well, i think there is no defense. they began looking into it and found what we found and maybe even worse, anderson. look it. the state knew fraud was going on. they ignored the warning signs. they looked the other way, even when they found convicted felons running some of their own clinics. anderson? >> it's incredible to see the kind of results you're seeing. nobody's getting fired. no big changes. and the same people who allowed the fraud, they're now in charge of cleaning it up, right? >> reporter: yeah, the same
people i might add that you and i interviewed and were trying to defend the program just a month or so ago are now saying that, you know, they are going to clean it up, they're going do something. lawmakers say they're on it now. they're going to give this department exactly one year to permanently solve the fraud problems or as one lawmaker told me, they'll solve it themselves. but, anderson, just this year, just this year, 36 million taxpayer dollars have already been sent to these clinics that are now suspended. so we're talking about a lot of wasted money here. >> it was so frustrating when we had the guy on from the program who said, well, he had no idea who previous to him, getting to his position, was responsible for oversight and who dropped the ball and he's not able to name any names. really frustrating stuff. drew, i will continue to report. and great reporting. thanks, drew. >> if you've got a tip gorks to cnn.com/investigate.
up next. opposition groups in syria is growing. replacing the assad regime with shari'a law. and later a development in the case of marissa alexander. a woman in prison for firing a gun in defense of the abuse of her husband. she's getting a new trial. she was originally sentenced to 20 year. we'll tell you why. could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that.
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up shop and it now look like he and other gop leaders are focusing on the next looming battle, raising the debt creeling in mid-october. they're calling president obama to come to the table and work out a compromise. the president said firmly today he will not any kboesh yat over the debt ceiling. dana bash is on capitol hill tonight with raw politics. so congress hasn't figured out a way to avoid a government shutdown but is already gearing up for another showdown, is that right. >> reporter: absolutely right. they huddled over what kind of package they want to put together. it does seem odd but it's only 2 1/2 weeks away. the republicans consider these things very much connected for a couple of reasons but primarily in terms of controlling the rest of the caucus that john boehner has and he knows he's learning some lessons about this. he wants to try to tell them, look, hopefully from their perspective they will pass a
bill to fund the government. it may not have some of the things on it but they shouldn't worry so much because the next fight is just around the corner and they have a laundry list of things. one republican congressman, anders anderson, said to me they're putting on everything that the house republicans voted on this entire year. the keystone pipeline, tax reform. and they're doing it primarily in order to try to calm the republican caucus because they know how hard it is to get consensus in order to get votes. >> i mean at this point, though, do they seem any closer to a deal? is it actually possible the government could shut down tuesday? >> it is possible. i don't even want to venture a guess as to whether or not it's probable or possible. when it comes to a deal. the issue at this point seems to be one of timing. it seems inevitable but the senate is going to pass a bill that funds the government. the question is how quickly the house will return that bill and whether they will change it and
whether the senate has time to pass something they can send to the president in time for the monday night deadline. it's a race against the clock right now. >> do members of congress realize how tired people are from this careening of manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis? >> absolutely. so many of them do. you can't walk around the hallways here without people saying their constituents have crisis fatigue. however, when you're talking particularly about the house and republicans, many of whom were elected in 2011 on the tea party wave, many of them don't care. they believe they came here to stand for principle and the main principle is to deal with the country's debt and there's no better way to do it than on the whole concept, allowing the kun troy borrow more money to pay for its debts. that's why, even though it seem latsle more odd, they believe in terms of principle and philosophy, that's the best place to have these negotiations.
>> dana, appreciate it. there's a lot more tonight that we'll share with the 360 bulletin. >> they have agreed to a drop resolution on a chemical weapons disarmament. they now must get approval from the security council. more than 1,400 syrians were killed in gas attack last month. however the source says they won't authorize the automatic use of force if syria violates it. meanwhile 13 of syria's most powerful opposition groups announced they've rejected another powerful opposition group. all 13 have called on supporters to embrace shari'a law. a historic meeting. the first of its kind. john kerry holds face-to-face talks with his iranian counter part to talk about iran's nuclear program. and an amazing discovery, where a plane crashed on a glazier in france more than 60
years ago. according to reports, they found rubies, sapphires and emeralds that could be valued at up to $332,000. wow. >> isha, thanks. coming up, a former teacher walks out of jail after serving only a month for raping a young girl who later committed suicide. there is a chance it isn't the end of the story for stayty rambold or the judge who imposed the sentence. also new hope for melissa alexander, the florida woman who serve 20d years for firing a shot into the wall to scare off her abusive husband. no one was hurt. the jury convicted her. now she's getting another chance to tell her side of the story. we'll explain ahead. my symptoms were a pain in my abdomen and periods that were heavier and longer than usual for me. if you have symptoms that last two weeks or longer, be brave, go to the doctor.
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our crime and punishment segment tonight, a former teacher who was charged with raping a 14-year-old student served only one month. here he is entering the probation office in billings. we've been covering the outrage surrounding this case for a while. outrage not only for the light sentence he received but for the comments the judge made about the victim suggesting that she was partly to blame because in his opinion she seemed, and i quote, older than her chronological age. she was 14, remember. the judge later a poil jazzed but there are still calls for him to step down. the victim cherice morales
killed herself before the case went to trial. the man who raped her daughter is no longer behind bars. kyung lah joins me from billings, montana. you caught up with this guy as he left his parole office. did he scurry away. >> scurry away, more like shoving. he wore a ball cap. tried to switch out cars as he was leaving so he didn't tip us thauf he was going to be actually exiting out of the parole office. we asked him questioning about the sentence, about cherice morales, if he had anything to say about this young girl, and he had nothing to say, anderson. >> do we know where he's going now? does he go home and pick up where he left a month ago? >> essentially, yes. he has served his time. he's free on parole. he has to follow his conditions of parole. there are some 59 things he can't do. he can't open a checking caught,
get on the internet, be around kids, walk into a bar. it's quite restrictive but he's essentially home because he has done his time? as far as the appeal with the montana supreme court, it could send him back to jail. what's the latest with that? what's the status? >> reporter: it sucks. we have seen cases like this move quite low. it happened in 2008. it happened way back them. cherice's mother often explained how dwloung have to wait. when it comes to the supreme court weighing in it could take six to 18 months. prosecutors are hoping they can make their arguments before the state stream court and they'll send him back to jail for the minimum of two years. >> he's not still a teacher, right? >> reporter: no, he is absolutely not a teacher. he has lost his job. the school was actually sued by the mother and the school had to pay out something. we don't know the conditions of that. but, yes, he is absolutely a
noneducator and he can't be around kids as a condition of his parole. >> kyung lah, thank you very much. sorry you've been pushed aurd. marissa alexander, you may not know her name but she spent 20 years in prison for firing a warning shot into a wall near her abusive husband. the jury convicted her. marissa alexander has been grant add new trial after an appeals court rule report thad the judge didn't handle properly the jury instructio instructions. last year gary tuchman got the only interview with her. listen. >> reporter: she walks down the hallway in jail handcuffs. marissa anderson has been sentenced to 20 years behind bars. she said she was defending herself, standing her ground from a husband who had been arrested before on charges of abusing her. >> he was arrested for doing
what to you? >> he choked me. he pushed me forcefully into the tub. he push med so hard into the closet that i hit my head against the wall and i kind of passed out for a second. >> her husband received probation after that incident. months later alexander says she was in the bathroom at their home here in jacksonville, started pounding on the door. she said he was in a jealous rage over text messages on her cell phone. >> he managed to get the door open and that's when he strangled me. he put his hands miernld neck. >> reporter: alexander got away from her husband and made a fateful decision. she can could have run out the froonlt door and escaped. instead she ran into the garage and didn't have her car keys. instead she grabbed her gun. what did you think you were going do with it. >> i thought i was going protect myself. >> reporter: did you think you'd have to shoot him? yeah, if it came to that.
he saw my weapon at my side. when he saw it, he was even more upset and that's when he threatened to kill me. >> reporter: how was he going to kill you when you're the one with the gun? >> i agree. i thought it was crazy too. >> reporter: why didn't you run out the door. >> there was no other way. >>. >> reporter: what if you ran around him. >> the law states i don't have to. >> reporter: the law she talks about is the stand your ground law. she did what she thought was allowed by law. she believe shed stood her ground and fired the gun into the wall. nobody was hurt but it was enough to scare her husband rico gray and he left the howze with his two young children from a previous relationship. alexander was safe from her husband but not from the law. she was arrested her "stand your ground" rejected and found guilty by a jury. her husband rico gray agreed to do an on-camera interview to counter his wife's allegations but a few hours later he made the decision not to do the
interview claiming going on camera would put his life in danger. later he sent an ini'm say he would do the i'm if he got paid which cnn does not do. he already said quite a bit. ricoh gray acknowledged hitting his wife in the past and said this about the shooting incident, quote, if my kids weren't there, i knew i probably would have tried to take the gun from her. i probably would have put my happened on her. marissa alexander's attorney then asked her husband what he meant about putting his hand on her and rico gray responded, probably hit her. i've got five baby mamas and i put my hands on every last one of them except for one. >> i believe that's exactly what he intended to do. and had i not discharged my weapon at that point, i would not be here. >> but later at a court hearing to determine whether marissa alexander should get immunity on the stand your ground law, ricoh
gray changed his story saying he lied repeatedly in the deposition claiming to protect his wife claiming he d. the jacksonville naacp wrote a letter to the trial judge saying marissa alexander may not have received justice because of her gender, race, or economic status. some african-american news websites are saying the same thing, if she had been white, the stand your ground law would have been accepting and she wouldn't be face 20g years in prison. >> i'm going to be honest with you. i'm a little uncomfortable answering that. >> reporter: for now she remains behind bars. she had a child with ricoh gray. she only sees her in photographers. he has custody. >> this is the life i'm fighting
for. this is my life. >> she's now being grant add new trial. but the stand your ground defense, that's still off the table? >> it's still off the table. what the appellate court said was during the trial the jury was told that marissa alexander had to prove it was self-defense and they said that was wrong. it was up to the prosecution to prove that it wasn't self-defense. they said that was wrong. so there will be an increased burden on the prosecution in the new trial. there will also be a hearing before the trial in which marissa alexander could get out of jail on bond until the trial. >> whees interesting is she was prosecuted by angela cory's office, the same office that lost the george zimmerman case. has there been any reaction by them? >> yes. they've been very aggressive. they came out a with a statement and said the defendant's
conviction was reversed on a legal technicality. the first district court of appeal found that florida's supreme court jury. instructions were wrong. we are gratified that the court affirmed the defendant's "stand your ground" ruling. this means the deft will not have another stand your ground hearing. the case will be back in circuit court in the fourth judicial circuit at the appropriate time. she wants to get back with her family. >> gary tuchman, thank you very much. this ship capsized, hit rocksing killing 32 people. another note, passengers 3,500 feet above at least one of the pilots asleep in the cockpit. we'll have more when we con. and as the nation's leading beverage company, we can play an important role. that includes continually providing more options.
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when the "costa concordia" cap sized after hitting rocks a off the coast of italy in 2012, 32 people died. two of the victims' bodies have never been found. now human remains have been found in the wreckage which divers will try to recover. the ship was righted last week after being on its side for months. these remains, barbara, what do we know about them? >> well, these aren't bodies. these are just bones and fragments o of bones found in an an area that was found previously inaccessible because the ship was lying on its side on these two underwater mountaintops until they righted it last week.
they pinpointed the areas where they thought they would have the best success finds the remains and that's where they began diving. they don't know if these are the remains of both of the people, a 66-year-old sicilian woman and an indian waiter. there's nothing identifiable at this point. they'll need to use dna to find out if those are, in fact, two two missing victims. >> the captain is arguing he's a hero and saved 4,000 people, right? >> that's right. there are 4,229 people on that ship. 32 people died. he said he's not the villain, he's the hero because so many people lived, but, of course, he is also being charged with abandoning ship. he sort of, as he said, fell into a lifeboat the night of the accident and he was on ground on the island of giglio. it remains to be seen and this
is what the prosecutors are trying to prove, that he was not actually involved in the evacuation of the passengers, therefore, he's culpable of the deaths that occurred. >> he's actually saying he fell into a lifeboat? >> that right. he said he fell into a lifeboat during the chaos of the night. he coincidently had his laptop computer with him. it's interesting how that dynamic played out. them he said he couldn't get back on the ship. there was plenty of conversation that was taped between the port authority and the captain when he was on land. port authority saying get back on ship, get back on ship and the captain is arguing, i can't. it's on its side. but at the end of the day, you know, he's the captain. he should have beenable to convince others to put him on the ship. there were plenty of others. >> fell into a lifeboat with his laptop. i've never heard of that.
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