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as well. they will do it all on.instruments you would find in a kindergarten, right? >> really? >> it's all like the ca zoo and all of that. >> it had a nice beat to it. >> google it. some of them are really good. we've got to go. they're yelling at us now. okay. >> that's it for us around the world". have a great weekend. thanks for watching >> wolf blitzer is coming up now. right now, the senate is moving ahead with efforts to avert a government shutdown. we're in the middle of four, yes, four critical votes on the senate floor involving a spending bill to beat monday's shutdown deadline. right now, the world is getting hotter and fierce storms are brewing, and you and i may be to blame. the dire warning about climate change today in a brand-new united nations report. and don't call it a bailout. but right now, federal help is on the way for ailing detroit. we're going to tell you how much administration officials are delivering to the city and where
it's going. all that coming up, but the president of the united states meeting with the prime minister of india right now. videotape in from the oval office. watch this. >> i've had the security council around syria eliminating its chemical weapons and ultimately having them destroyed by the international community. this is something that we have long sought, and the fact that we now have a framework that will be voted on perhaps as soon as today, perhaps over the weekend or monday that would be legally binding, that would be verifiable and enforceable where
there would be consequences for syria's failure to meet what has been set forth in this resolution i think is a potentially huge victory for the international community. realistically it's doubtful that we would have arrived at this point had it not been for a credible threat of u.s. action in the aftermath of the horrific tragedy that took place on august 21st. where chemical weapons killed over 1,000 people including more than 400 children. but i have always expressed a preference for resolving this diplomatically and i appreciate all our international partners in working very hard over the past several days to make sure that we could arrive at a -- a resolution that not only deters and prevents additional chemical
use but actually goes beyond what could have been accomplished through any military action, and that is the removal of chemical weapons, one of the largest stockpiles in the world, from syria so they can actually be destroyed. i think it's also worth noting that in the security council resolution, there is an explicit endorsement of the geneva 1 process to try to deal with the underlying conflict in syria. and the need for a political transition there that can bring about peace and allow the millions of people who have been displaced and harnled by this conflict to return to their homes and try to rebuild their lives and to rebuild a country that's been shattered now by civil war. so we are very hopeful about the prospects for what can be accomplished, but obviously, there is a lot of work to be done. i think rightly, people have been concerned about whether syria will follow through on the
commitments that have been laid forth and i think there are legitimate concerns as to how technically we are going to getting those chemical weapons out while there's still fighting going on on the ground. nevertheless, this represents potentially a significant step forth and i think indicates what i had hoped for when i spoke at the united nations just this week, that we have an international community that is not just gathering to talk but also is able to take concerted action on behalf of enforcing international norms and preserving everybody's security including those in the region and obviously the people of syria themselves. now, i also want to say how glad i am to have prime minister something here today. >> there you heard the news from the president of the united
states meeting with the prime minister of india, prime minister something right now. they're going to get into the u.s., indian issues but the president welcoming this upcoming security council resolution dealing with syria's chemical weapons. the president saying potentially this is, in his words, a huge victory for the international community and he says the threat of credible military force put it forward. the security council is scheduled to meet 8:00 p.m. eastern to take up this u.s./russian resolution. we assume it will pass. there are some consequences in the resolution for action if the syrians don't comply but it's a little murky what those are right now. the u.s. and russia not necessarily on the same page as far as dealing with the failure to comply with syria's chemical weapons. we'll continue to watch that story and much more coming up later this hour. we're only, by the way, four days away from a possible government shutdown. right now, the senate is moving
through a series of votes to try to keep the government up and running after midnight monday night. we have already had the vote to end debate in the senate. that's the vote at the center of senator ted cruz's 21-hour marathon the other day. he lost, by the way, 79-19. the senate moved on to vote number two now. they needed 60. they got well over 60. another procedural vote on the budget and the spending lebs happening right now. vote number three is an amendment offered by the majority leader harry reid that takes out the provision in the already passed house bill that would defund obama care. then they will all have to vote on the continuing resolution that would keep the government funded, at least until mid-november. lots going on. all of those are expected to pass and then the language will go back to the house of representatives where members of the house will have two days, basically, to get a deal done to avoid a shutdown. let's bring in chief
congressional correspondent dana bash. the first vote lopsided victory. there's going to be a vote two, vote three, and vote four. where do we stand right now. >> they're in the middle of vote two. it's important because we'll be focusing on what's next understandably. because we spent so much time this week talking about senator cruz and the division inside the republican party, the breakdown vote you just talked about, 79-19, all 19 of those republicans were cruz and his colleagues saying no at going along with his strategy to try to block obama care being defunded. again, this is sort of a convoluted. the other point is that 19 is less than half of the republican caucus. so it was very much split on the strategy and now we know just how split it was seeing it in black and white right up on the screen after those senators took those votes. but moving on, we are going to see the series of these four
votes play out. and then the big question and it is really unknown what the answer is is what is the house going to do. wolf, the house had some votes this morning. and now they're pretty much gone until tomorrow. one might ask, why they didn't just wait for the senate to the act and for them to, you know, vote on this bill keeping the government running since we are only 3 1/2 days away and the reason they didn't is because they don't know how they're going to respond. the republican caucus is so split in the house over what to do. they have so many opinions to deal with. people who want to put obama care defunding back on. people who want to do all different kinds of things. in the senate, you have the democrats saying if you don't send us a clean spending bill with nothing else on it, we're not going to pass it. that is when the showdown is really going to get hot. >> do we know, dana, if the democrats in the house of representatives are pretty much all on the same page, in other words, if they get, let's say,
half of the republicans to join with them, will they have that 217 or 218 vote they need in order to pass the resolution and avoid a government shutdown? >> the issue is it depends what the resolution looks like. that is what is being decided inside the walls -- >> if it looks like a clean resolution that is emerging from the senate, if that's allowed to come up on the house floor, will the house, a combination of almost all of the democrats and let's say half of the republicans, will that be good enough? >> likely. it would likely be good enough. that would be a point where john boehner would have to do what he doesn't like to do, which is allow something to pass with the help of some of his republicans and some democrats. but the key point is that we're not there yet. the assumption all along is that's how it would play out, but republican leaders are getting so much pushback from the rank and file they don't want to give up the fight. that is a quote i just got from
a republican leadership source. the problem is, they don't know what they want to fight with. that is what is happening inside the walls of republican leadership offices rights now, trying to figure out how to deal with the reality of a potential government shutdown, the reality their caucus is all over the map and so that's why things are so incredibly fluid after these votes are complete. >> they can continue the fight. let the government operate. take the fight to the next level at the debt ceiling which has to be raised in mid-october if they want to continue the fight. dana, i know you're watching all four of these votes. one down, senator cruz and his faction of the republicans, they lost decisively. they lost a lot of republican support. now vote two, three, and four we're watching all of those votes this hour. dana bash on the scene for us. in preparation for a possible government shutdown, hundreds of thousands of federal workers would learn their fate today in the form of verbal furlough notices. christine romans is joining us now. christine, what type of
employees are expected to be affected? >> some of them are already hearing and expect to hear by the end of the day. these are the folks going to be told to stay home if the government shuts down. it's going to be national park service employees, no question there. it will be closing some of these locations, smithsonian employees, nasa workers. folks from the epa, centers for disease control, occupational safety and health administration, osha, the small business administration. the list goes on and on. many people will be told to stay home, be going to be told what are excepted employees, those who will be told no, you do have to stay. you'll be here because we have to keep the power grid up and the air traffic control system is still running, of course, the banking system is still running. what's interesting, there's enough funding to keep the courts funded for about ten days. and passports is likely to be different this time around. remember the last shutdown? it was passports and not being able to get a passport for a
relative's funeral or a trip to ireland that brought a lot of heat on congress. this time around, passports are funded by fees so there is money for those to keep operating although who knows how long that could last. some of these areas you're going to see some activity during a shutdown. others absolutely not, wolf. >> christine romans, good information. thank you. we've got much more on the possible government shutdown coming up. and the continuing attack on obama care. stay with us pore that. in about 20 minutes or so, i'll be joined by one of the most vocal critics of the health care law, michele bach mon. i'll ask her about the law, its effect on economy, republican efforts to tie it to the shutdown, michele bachmann live here coming up. other news we're polling right now, we remember superstorm sandy, the massive storm blew ashore a year ago flooding homes and businesses along shores of new jersey and new york and killing more than
100 people. a new united nations report says it could happen again and it's 95% certain humans are big contributors to climate change. according to this new u.n. report, humans are responsible for at least half of the observed increase in global temperatures since the 1950s. we apparently driveway too many cars, use too much fossil fuel like coal and i'll 0 if you believe this report. the period from 1981 to 2010 was the warmest time in the last eight centuries. and sea levels are rising because of warming oceans and a melting ice cap. secretary of state john kerry says the u.n. report should be as a warning to those who doubt global warming. in a statement following the report, the secretary said, and i'm quoting him now, "those who deny the science or choose excuses over action are playing with fire." and former vice president al gore adds, once again i'm quoting him, "the climate crisis is the greatest challenge humanity has ever faced."
this is gore. now more than ever, we must come together to solve this global crisis. one state in the crosshairs is florida. heavy rains in key west last spring sent water into the streets trapping people in homes and businesses. chad meyers is in miami where rising waters are eroding beaches and flooding streets. >> the ocean is rising quicker than in decades past. and predictions made by some.scientists make the situation sound pretty dire. >> by the mid part of the century, 2050, 2060, most of the barrier islands in the world are going to have to be evacuated. >> reporter: and that includes miami. it's hard to imagine miami beach deserted but it is obviously rising water is already a common problem here. on a sunny day, high tide is enough to flood streets. >> we live on limestone. limestone is like porous sponge. we really can't use levees to
hold back the water. >> reporter: while the city continues to find ways to deal with excess water, many experts say there's no way to stop it. >> we saw barricades and sandbags all along alton because the water sits there during high tide. put one more foot of water on top of this for from here for miami beach. what does that look like? >> you're telling me every single street that's street will have water in it with a one-foot rise in sea level. >> yeah. and the tides if we get king tides it will be a little bit higher than this. this is seegsly showing you the places that will be affected first. >> reporter: the important thing is to keep observing what's happening, to look at all the ranges and projections and then come back to the policymakers and say here's actually what you have to take. >> the southeast florida climate change compact has been created to monitor and help mitigate the harsh consequences of climate change. >> they're not sticking their heads in the sand and know this
is a real problem. >> wolf, we saw it firsthand. we drove up on wednesday and there was water in the streets literally. i thought there must be a water main break. they said no, it's just high tide. high tide? high tide is now in the streets of western miami beach. and we go up another foot, you saw what happened. many scientists are saying much more than a foot. that's when it starts to get scary. wolf. >> chad, thanks for that report. deadlines are coming fast in washington after the shutdown. we have the debt ceiling. so which can have a greater effect on you and the country and the economy? we're taking a closer look. that's next. nascar is about excitement. but tracking all the action and hearing everything from our marketing partners, the media and millions of fans on social media can be a challenge. that's why we partnered with hp to build the new nascar fan and media engagement center. hp's technology helps us turn millions of tweets,
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we're keeping a close eye on the u.s. senate right now as they move through the series of votes intended to avert a government shutdown. it's been a con tenuous debate, mostly centering around obama care. but it's leaving the american people and millions of government workers hanging on the brink. joining us now our chief political analyst gloria borger and mark patterson, former treasury department chief of staff. gloria, is this the new normal what we're seeing right now?
it seems every other few weeks, there's a brink we're about to go over. >> i think sad to say that it is. i think the partisanship is such and the intraparty squabbling on the republican side is such right now, that it's very hard to see how you get out of this problem unless there's some kind of immaculate conception here, somebody comes up with a deal that everybody can sign on to, but right now, i don't see it. >> you were there with tim geithner. he was the treasury secretary in 2011 when there was a need to raise the debt ceiling and a lot of concern. eventually the u.s. credit rating around the world was reduced. which is a bigger issue right now, keeping the funding or the federal government in place or raising the debt ceiling october 17th. >> absolutely no question the debt sealing is a much bigger issue because a shutdown doesn't have the negative economic effects a gee fault crisis would have into what would be the negative be economic defaults if you will, what would that be?
>> we don't really know because it's never happened before. we've been wise enough to avoid it. you can expect and what most economists believe is that you'd have the same kinds of effects we'd have in the financial crisis. credit would tighten. you would see consumer confidence drop. business confidence would drop. those tend to metastasize. it would be self-inflicting a financial crisis. >> the difference to me, wolf is that when we've gone through this before, there's always been sort of a back room in which, and you were in those back rooms in which people seem to be negotiating some kind of a deal if what went on the floor failed and there was a plan b and a plan c. do you think that's going on this time? >> i think that's going on on the shutdown. i hope it resolves it. although it's trending in a bad direction right now. if they can't resolve the shutdown, can't keep the government open, that's not a good sign for the thorny issue
of the debt limit. >> if you listen to john boehner, a lot of republicans, they say the president can raise the debt ceiling. he has to make a few concessions the republicans want, make a deal which is the normal way things are done here in washington but the president has drawn this red line, as you know, saying he's not going to negotiate, he's not making concessions. you must raise the debt ceiling, perfect effective with period without any concessions. >> yeah. i think the reason he's done that is because the question of whether the u.s. government should pay all of its bills really is not a debatable one. there's only one right answer to the question and that is yes. the president is taking the right position. congress has the authority under the constitution over borrowing, it is 100% their responsibility to make sure our good credit is protected as a country. i think he's in the right on this one. >> in the past when there have been these issues with other issues -- >> he voted against raising the debt ceilinging >> he did macon sessions. >> in those situations the
threat of default was never real. we seem to have people contemplating the idea we should deliberatelily throw our country into default. >> here's the problem. public opinion seems -- deem people don't want the government to the shutdown. if you look at public opinion polls, they seem to think it's just fine to default. and that's why republicans are -- have decided perhaps to move on the default issue rather than the shutdown. >> well, it's never popular to raise the debt ceiling. but there are some things in washington you have to do even though they're not popular. this is definitely one of them. >> i suspect in the end, you're right about back room deals. the president he's not going to negotiate but in order to avoid a real crisis, the borrowing limit, he's going to have to make some concessions. >> let me say one thing, wolf. presidents don't pay ransoms for a reason. that's a long-standing policy of
the united states. the problem is, if you pay ransoms, you encourage more hostage taking. that's the dienack nammic. >> that's a strong word. >> the stakes are very high. >> that's precisely why in the end maybe the adults in the room have to get together. >> where are those? let's hope there are people on both sides. i'm just saying. thanks very much. iran's new president pushes ahead with his charm offensive with the west. holding a news conference that lasts more than an hour, answering lots of questions. got some strong opinions about the nuclear talks with the united states and a lot more. we'll tell you what he said. that's next. [ male announcer ] some things are designed to draw crowds. others are designed to leave them behind. ♪ the all-new 2014 lexus is. it's your move.
iran's new president is speaking out about the historic break through nuclear talks between his country and the united states. iran's foreign minister and the secretary of state john kerry met at the united nations yesterday to discuss tehran's new offer to compromise on its its nuclear program. it was the first time, get this, since the 1979 iranian revolution, the country's top
two diplomats held direct talks. today president rouhani caused the meeting a positive first step in resolving the nuclear standoff. >> translator: i personal liam satisfied with the result so i believe from that will experience that the steps must be taken in a well thought out manner. they have to look at the results because our or end goal is to ensure the interests of both sides, both nations to, in fact, remove the problems on the way and step by step to build confidence between two nations and two governments. >> joining us now from newton, massachusetts, the former governor of new mexico, bill richardson, also a former u.s. ambassador to the united nations. governor, thanks very much for coming. do you think any of this will lead to a real break through and in the end, iran will end any ambitions it might have to build
a nuclear bomb? >> it remains to be seen. the atmospherics are good. he is on a charm offensive, rouhani. he seems to be skillful at setting a better tone, but i didn't hear him say that they're ready to negotiate on eliminating enriched uranium. i didn't hear him be very clear about the holocaust in israel. he seems to be backing off. the question is, are they doing this because they're sincere or because, one, their oil production is really down, inflation is really up, sanctions are working, but at the same time, you've got to look at a potential break through in the future, the fact that the two the secretaries of state sat down at the same time directly is a positive sign. but there's a lot that remains to be seen. i was a little concerned that charm offensive was yanked back
by the clerics when president obama and rouhani didn't get a chance to at least shake hands, have a little bit of body language. i think that was a little bit of a setback. i think in diplomacy, that personal contact is very important. >> that was a real sort of snub at the united states. here the president of the united states made it clear to the iranians he would like to have this encounter even if it was brief, even if it was only a handshake and exchange of a few words. they were both at the united nations general assembly on the same day. he wanted to i guess break the ice if you will, and the iranians said they didn't have enough time to prepare, not happening. did you see that as a diplomatic snub from the iranians to the united states? >> well, it was a little bit of a snub, but i think what happened was rouhani most likely and his foreign minister wanted to do it, but the clerics, the
khomeini probably said hey, you're going to fast. this is the world's biggest is taken. the symbolism of a handshake, a personal contact is too strong. cool it. but made up a little bit by the two the secretaries of state talking by the positive tone but still, the key is going to be, are they ready to negotiate to eliminate their nuclear weapons. if that doesn't happen, we haven't moved very far. >> the other big issue before the u.n. security council and they're going to have a meeting on it tonight, u.s., russian draft to eliminate eventually syria's chemical weapons stockpiles. there's in the language of the resolution, consequences, quote consequences, for noncompliance. but it doesn't say what those consequences are. what do you make of what's going on there? in the end, will all of syria's chemical weapons be gone? >> well, our new ambassador did a very good job. i've seen the draft of the
resolution. it's airtight. the problem though is the consequences are under chapter 7. chapter 7 means military actions, sanctions, however, you have to go back, a new resolution has to be drafted if there's no noncompliance. that's where the russians can still veto. but the russians made it clear that they would veto something if there was any penalty. so it's a good step forward. if there's no compliance, i think there has to be a real concerted effort to look at option two which is perhaps not go through the u.n. security council because the russians may veto. but i think it's a positive development. there's no question about it. the danger though is penalties, punishment, it's not there the. you have to go one step forward for another resolution. this is where the russians can veto again. or china. you know, we haven't talked much
about china. i'm worried that they used to, when i was u.n. ambassador, all of a sudden come in and veto unexpectedly. >> bill richardson, he's pretty happy though with both of these key issues right now. syria's chemical weapons. what's going on as far as the overtures from iran. we'll see what happens. governor, thanks as usual for coming in. >> thank you wolf. >> the effort to undo obama care is now the focus of the fights we're seeing on capitol hill. up next, the republican congresswoman, michele bachmann, she is here. we're going to discuss what's going on. her effort to scrap the law and a lot more. stay with us. ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around barry ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ ♪
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it now goes back to the house. pick up the story. >> well, as we speak, the final vote is going on to fund the government again, which as you said now, because of the votes that we've seen so far, does not include defunding obama care. that was a straight party line vote as we expected. democrats stood united in saying they don't want to defund obama care and republicans stood united in saying they do. but the more significant vote of the day so far certainly was that first vote that ted cruz who actually is giving a press conference as we speak with marco rubio and mike lee, the three of those men were on the floor, the senate floor nor 21 plus hours talking about the fact that they did not want the senate to go forward on the first procedural vote and the majority of the republican colleagues, wolf, defied them. 19 out of 46 really, 44 who were voting, voted with ted cruz.
so that means that it very much was a lopsided vote within the republican caucus. interestingly, almost all of the republican leaders voted against him. it was sort of a rank and file versus republican leader kind of vote. so very, very fascinating. what's next? well, he is down there doing this press conference trying to impress upon the republican colleagues in the house, as you said, this is where this goes back next, not to give up the fight, to once again try to defund obama care. now, whether or not they're going to do that inside the republican leadership we don't know. at least our understanding is that it's unclear what's happening. and that is because there are a lot of different opinions inside the republican caucus. this is not a new phenomenon but it is very much a high wire act right now about what they should do although everybody in the house says at east on the republican side, says that they think it's unlikely that they send back something to the senate that looks exactly like what they passed, meaning they're going to change and put
their stamp on it in some way. >> then it has to go back to the senate for consideration. this could take awhile. there could, in fact, be a government shutdown midnight monday night. dana, thanks very much. we have three days to go now till a possible government shutdown. at the center of the spending debate in the senate and the house is this move by so many republicans to defund the affordable care act, also known as obama care. yesterday, president obama said this about his opponents. >> and here's one more that i've heard. i like this one. we have to, and i'm quoting here, we have to repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. now, i have to say that one was from six months ago. i just want to point out, we still have women. we still have children. we still have senior citizens.
>> strong words from the president. here's the republican claim he was referring to. >> the american people, especially vulnerable women, vulnerable children, vulnerable senior citizens now get to pay more and they get less. that's why we're here because we're saying, let's repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. let's not do that. >> all right. joining us is the republican congresswoman who said those words, michele bachmann. thanks so much for coming in. >> thank you. >> do you really believe if this law, and it is a law passed by the house, passed by the senate, signed into law by the president, approved by the supreme court goes into effect that women, seniors, children are going to die? >> that's the greatest fear that americans have, and the
president got a big applause line when he made that statement. but it will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect, that's the ipad board. if we have denial of care for women, children, senior citizens or if we have problems where people aren't given the drugs that they need, maybe they'll be denied drugs for breast cancer. you bet this can happen. what is what i'm worried about, not just me. people all across the united states. this is literally an issue of life and death. that's why you see this struggle. >> you stand by that. >> absolutely. >> don't you's millions and millions of americans will now have health insurance earlier they didn't have the. >> millions and millions of americans are losing health insurance right now. they're being thrown off their employer-paid health hirns shoo but they'll be eligible to go to the exchanges and buy insurance. >> not necessarily. i was in a meeting this morning. we were told the people thrown into the exchanges, the health care premiums that they'll have
to pay even when they're subsidized will be more than what they're paying now. i firmly believe that we could see that more people are actually going to be negatively impacted by obama care than helped. just the office of what the president's hopes were is. >> let's go through some of these points. you tell me if you think it's good or bad. is it good or bad that children can now be on their parents' health insurance policies till they reach the age of 26? >> these are benefits being done now privately contracted in the private sector. >> that's part of obama care. is that good or bad? >> when it's done between private parties it's a good thing. >> that's the law now. >> but the mandate government is forcing it to be done. >> you support that, right? >> i support freedom of choice so the people can do that. if people want to have their children on their health insurance policy till they're 45 years of age, they should be able to do that. the government shouldn't say what age you cut it off. you may have a child that is is completely dependent on you for physical or mental reasons.
if that child is now 56 years old and the parent wants to take care of them on their health insurance plan, they should be able to pay that company to keep them on the plan. >> if you have a pre-existing condition, should you be allowed to buy health insurance. >> of could yours. >> should an insurance company be able to deny su coverage? >> over 30 different states already had pre-existing condition plans. there are relatively few states that didn't. >> so you support that? >> "the washington post" said it would be a $5 billion charge to take care of people with ask pre-existing conditions. i would put my name on the government check to pay $5 billion every year to help people with pre-existing conditions make sure they have health insurance. >> should there be a cap how much an insurance company can provide and at one point if you're very, very ill you get cut off? >> the laundry list you're going through. >> this is all part of obama care. >> the laundry list you're going through, what your premise is that government must mandate it.
i don't agree that government must mandate it. >> but they have. it's the law now. >> that's what i don't agree with. i don't agree with the mandate. >> if you don't like the law, there are ways to try to change it but you don't have the votes. >> what i believe is that people need the freedom to buy what they want. and buy what they can contract. and various states over the years have tried to deal with things like pre-existing conditions, like having your kids on the insurance policy. that's really what, would. >> do you like. >> the living laboratory of the state allowing differences. >> i'm asking you tough questions. >> let's talk about them. >> let's talk about people who can afford to buy health insurance but rather would spend their money going out to dinner and going on vacations. they get into a bad car accident and they wiped up in the emergency room. is it fair that you and i taxpayers and others simply take care of them, it could be a half a million dollars in medical expenses that we pay for the freeloaders? >> on obama care, there will be more people that the taxpayers
are taking care of after obama care than before. >> here's the question. is it fair that -- >> taxpayers picking under the tab for -- >> is it fair that people. >> americans will pay more. >> is it fair that people who can afford to buy health insurance could become freeloaders and taxpayers will take care of them if they get into an emergency medical situation? is that fair. >> the fairness that is lacking in obama care is clear because president obama has changed obama care over 19 times now. he has an uneven playing field. so if you are a political favorite of the president's, you've just got an exemption. big business got a huge ex-emmion. >> are you happy there are people out there who have money who decide they don't want to buy health insurance but an that we'll take care of them no matter what? >> what you're talking about is a very small percentage of the american people. the world is every single. >> have you been to the emergency room?
>> my oldest son is a physician. >> you know who shows up. these are people who don't have health insurance. >> quite often it's the illegal aliens showing up. so we the american taxpayer are picking up the tab for people who aren't american citizens. >> that's another subject. what about if you're an american citizen and you could afford to buy health insurance and you don't? you just want to take advantage of the -- >> the bottom line of your question, wolf, is it fair that the american people are picking up the tab for other people's health care. we have over 300han million americans. the estimate was 46 million americans didn't have health care, but that also included illegal aliens. we know now the estimate from the government is that about 30 million people are going to be cut off their employer's relt insurance because of obama care. >> i don't know where you're getting that. >> this is a very bad bad conclusion. >> i don't know where you're getting 30 million people. >> that's not true. you have to show me those numbers. >> we'll compare notes after this is all said and done.
>> if this new program, would, the new law, it goes into effect january 1st, if the employer kicks somebody off their health insurance, people will still be able to buy health insurance even if they have pre-existing conditions, even if they don't have a job, even if they have the whatever, and if they can't afford it, they'll be subsidized. >> as i learn this had morning by government officials, they told us those people who lose their employer care who go into the health exchanging will spend more on premiums subsidized than they did before when they were on their employer's health insurance. >> let's wrap it up. >> they're worse off. >> are you ready to see the government shutdown in order to defund obama care? >> the government doesn't go the into the shutdown. the accurate term is goes into slowdown because the government continues to function. >> huge chunks of the government will not be funded. are you ready to do that. >> i hope harry reid doesn't do
that because in the house we fully funded every part of government, social security, medicare, medicaid. everything but obama care. >> here's the simple question. this language that the senate has just voted on to pass a continuing resolution, nothing to do with defunding obama care, it allows the government to go forward, will you vote in favor of it. >> i won't vote for it. i don't think a lot of republicans will. >> were you around in '95 and '96 when there was a government shutdown? >> remember, there were two government shutdowns in the month before ronald reagan ran for president in 1984. he won by a landslide. the american people fear obama care. it's more unpopular now than ever before. they want us to fight to defund it. >> but there are ways to fight without shutting down the government or raising questions about america's credit worthy. >> president obama wants to shut it down. that's not what we want to do. we're the first ones to fund government. we fully funded it but for obama care. and that's what the american people want us to do.
fight for them. that's what we're doing. we believe in fairness. obama care is anything but fair. >> is karl rove a smart political republican analyst? >> i believe that what the american people want. >> here's the question, is karl rove a smart. >> i'm not here to talk about karl rove. he says this is a real political blunder to link these issues. >> they need wonderful health care. they need us to for fairness. right now president obama has picked winners and losers among the american people. james hoff ta of the teamsters says the unions are losers underened obama care. we're fighting for the teamsters union to be treated equally with big business. we believe in labor. we're fighting for them. >> i never thought i'd see the day that you're supporting james hoff ta and teamsters and the afl-cio. michele bachmann, republican from minnesota. good to have you back. >> we'll have you back. >> god bless you. thank you. of we'll continue the special coverage of what's going
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when this 737 got diverted, the airline has just confirmed to cnn that that captain who suffered the heart attack midflight sadly, as you mentioned, he has died. and we just pulled in the audio of the first officer speaking to air traffic control, making sure that medical assistance would be ready when they arrived. take a listen. >> do you have time to get information kilo? >> we got man down, chest compressions going on right now. i'm not sure too much right now on status. i'll just stop on the runway and get on the other side of the aircraft and taxi off the runway and then ambulance and maybe some air care needed off the runway. >> all right, well, a passenger told cnn affiliate that one of the crew members got on a loud speaker and asked if a physician was onboard. we should mention the flight landed safely and paramedics did
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house of representatives, the defunding of obama care. harry reid is speaking. >> there were news stories, headlines. the middle class, working men and women in this country, are the one s we were elected to serve. that's who we should be thinking about. they're the ones who are going to pay the price if these republicans force the government to shut down. middle-class families all over america do their very, very best every day to make ends meet and provide for their families. but when they turn on the news, they see elected officials wasting time with silly games, and that's what they are, trying to score cheap political points to satisfy a very small number of people in america. as i said earlier today -- the
senate, they have had the ability to basically stop us from doing anything. how do you think they feel? here's a present. less than a year ago, won election by 5 million votes, 5 million votes. obama care has been the law for four years. why don't they get a life and talk about something else? people deserve better. so i say to my republican colleagues -- >> so there you see harry reid, the senate majority leader, he's pleased. 54-44 strictly along party lines. the democrats have passed a continuing resolution that allows the government to remain
in business after midnight monday night. and they've eliminated any defunding of obama care, and now they throw the ball back to the house of representatives. much more coverage coming up here in the "cnn newsroom." cnn's don lemon picks up our coverage. all right, wolf, thank you very much. i'm don lemon. we're three days and ten hours away from a possible shutdown of the federal government. and just moments ago, the senate voted to strip out an amendment defunding obama care and passed a bill to fund government operations through mid-november. now it goes to the house of representatives. do you know what a shutdown could mean? i'm going to tell you essential stuff like air traffic control, national security, and social security checks will be just fine. but hundreds of thousands of federal workers face furloughs, national parks and museums, yosemite and the smithsonian will close, visas, passperts, and gun