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interesting. >> thank you, don. >> thank you. we appreciate that. let's get to the top of the hour and the top story now. hello, everyone. i'm don lemon, you are in the cnn news room. it is 6:00 straight up here in the east. we are going to begin in los angeles. you need to watch this story. the widow of the tsa officer killed in the brutal attack at l.a.x. speaking out. listen. >> hello, everybody. thank you for coming out. i know you have been waiting for a statement from the family. thank you for respecting the fact we are hurting. my husband passed away. here is a statement. he was born and moved to the united states at the age of 15. he graduated from high school.
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we met in 1994 when i was 16 and he was 19 and have been together ever since. we married on valentine's day in 1998 and had two beautiful children. he worked for the tsa organization since 2010. he was a security officer. he was always excited to go to work and enjoy the passengers at l.a.x. he was a joyful person, always smiling and took pride in his duty to the american public. he was a great man who always showed his love for our family. he was always there to help anyone in need and always made people laugh with his wonderful sense of humor. he was a wonderful husband, father, brother, son and friend.
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he would have been 40 next week. i am truly devastated. we are all heart broken. we will miss him dearly. thank you very much. >> wow. that is the widow of the tsa agent killed yesterday at l.a.x. speaking out for the first time. imagine how hard that was. the airport is honoring him today. today, airport police are getting lots of help and beefed up security teams are watching l.a.x. one day after the gunman opened fire killing hernandez and injuring several others. the suspect, 23-year-old paul ciancia. the suspect had a note with an antitsa rant on it and his fear of a new world order. our affiliate got the exclusive
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video and they are reporting it appears to show the suspect handcuffed. cnn cannot confirm who it is. passengers are reclaiming bags abandoned in the panic. i want to get to l.a.x. with more information on the victim. >> reporter: well, don, we heard from the widow are the excruciating details of a man who by every measure was trying to live the american dream. he was talking about how he was from el salve dor and moved here at 15 years old. he went to high school here and married his high school sweetheart. they had two children. they married on valentine's day. they had two children and filled with pride at a job protecting america's airplanes. this is a lot for his wife to digest and the workers at l.a.x. to digest as well. if you go up to a tsa officer
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here in los angeles you will see on their badges is a black stripe. that is signifying one of their fallen officers. this is, don, the first time tsa lost an officer like this. don? >> tsa chief john pistol met today with the grieving family. how is l.a.x. honoring him this weekend? >> reporter: well, he flew here from washington because he wanted to see this widow face-to-face. he met with her for 30 minutes to express his deepest con dole ents. beyond the badges with the black cloth, we are also seeing our -- right when you fly into l.a.x., there are 100 foot pile ones. the pile ones are normally clear colored. they will be lit blue in honor of tsa and this fallen officer. >> thank you very much. the suspect, paul ciancia did
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not have many friends in high school. he was quiet and didn't really fit in. he moved to los angeles 18 months ago from new jersey. chris lawrence has more from new jersey, the suspect's hometown. >> reporter: police are still here at the family's home in new jersey looking for any sort of clue, anything that can help investigators piece together a motivation, something to tell them why this happened. one of the things that's going to make it somewhat difficult is outside of his family, we found that paul ciancia did not have a lot of close friends. he just left this area 18 months ago, grew up here, spent his life here. it's very difficult to find anyone who is a very close friend of his. he went to high school just over the bridge in delaware an all boys catholic school. some of the people who went to school with him say he was a loner, spent time to himself and reports say he was bullied in
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high school. we have not been able to verify those reports. the investigation is going to focus on the text messages, the angry, alarming text messages he sent to his family here. chris lawrence, cnn, new jersey. >> thank you very much. when the gunfire dies down, the second guessing begins and the questions about whether there's a way to stop a shooting like this is when the questions come. here to break it down is mary ellen. she's a former fbi profiler, a retired law enforcement agent with the police department. thank you for joining us. lou, on a scale of one to ten, how is the response at l.a.x. yesterday? >> exceptional. i think it's a boilerplate response now, don, regardless of where the incident takes place. it involves local agencies, federal agencies, fire, medical, air support, bomb squads.
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it's effective and thorough. >> what about, you know, barbara starr is reporting there were armed guards there at one point, but weren't there, had taken a break of some sort. what do you make of that? >> i can't confirm that. my experience in traveling through l.a.x. is there are always a type of post just beyond the magna tom ters that you walk through, the devices that screen you for weapons and are manned by law enforcement agency, the los angeles police department or the los angeles airport police. any report that these posts may have been abandoned, i find unusual. i never traveled through once and they were unposted. >> the suspect, quiet, a loner, what are the warning signs someone might do something like this? >> being quiet and a loner probably describes 50% of the american population so you can't take those traits and make them
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predictive. the warning behaviors are much more specific and one of the most compelling warning behaviors is leakage. that's when the shooter tells somebody either directly or indirectly what they are planning to do. there's two things to keep in mind here. the motivation for these types of crimes occur months, if not years before the event. the thinking about it, putting the thoughts together that they don't like this part of the government, part of a conspiracy. the triggering events occur sooner to the event or not too long before the event occurs. that's where you see the warning behaviors is around the time of the triggering events. that's what we want people to be aware of, the warning behaviors. we know the thinking, the mind set, really goes back probably years. >> yeah. lou, we talk about this all the time. newtown, we are always asking, what are the warning signs?
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days, it's very expensive and difficult. tsa needs to be protected with armed personnel. i think it has to be officers, police. >> mary tells me one of the challenges at l.a.x. is the fact airport entrances are close to security check points. they have been built with more buffers between the entrances and check points. so, i want to talk more about the shooting with her again, the former fbi profiler and lou, a retired law enforcement agent. mary ellen, it's surprising we haven't seen more attacks like this one. is it surprising and do you think we'll see more? i hate to have you answer that question. is it surprising we haven't seen more attacks like this one? >> no, it's not surprising. we have seen over the last say ten years, what we used to call school and campus shooters, the
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venues now have broadened. they have bled out into more public venue that is have nothing to do with schools or colleges. that's a trend that we're seeing being sustained right now. then we have the element of the copy cat effect. years ago, it was stimulating these cases. that's what -- that was our premise for that. now it may continue. we now think the copy cat effect is educating the next shooter that may be looking for a public venue and now understands if they ultimately decide on an airport, now i have learned how this case happened and how it ended up and that's really intelligence for the next shooter. >> stand by lou. i want to ask mary ellen one more question. we talked about the kind of person. you are a profiler. people, many people get upset when you say the word profile. there are profiles for all different kinds of criminal activity. who should we be profiling in
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this instance? is it young, white guys in their 20s and 30s, ethnicity, behavior, what is it? >> i'll answer like this. this is a genuine response. we don't have a profile of one of these offenders. right now, the number of cases is small, which is a good thing. you can't use traits that occurred in the l.a.x. shooting and make them predictive for the next shooter. having said that, we know there's a small group of people that already are developing these ideas of wanting to carry out these extreme acts of violence and lethality against people. along the way, because it takes so long to plan these, they are not impulsive, people around them will notice behavior that will, we call warning behaviors that we would want them to notify law enforcement about. that probably occurs during that period of time when they make
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the decision they are finally going to act out. to say there's a profile would really be inaccurate. >> thank you for answering that. lou, you heard mary talk about having armed guards and would have to be law enforcement, but not the tsa agents. do you think that should happen or it's asking for people to be caught in the cross fire? >> well, i think the solution to this, don, the problem is to first of all reposition the weapon devices out to the main doors as you come off the street, number one. number two -- >> like metal detectors when you come into an airport? >> address the problems or potential problems. i said this ten years ago, when you pull up to an air terminal, kiss your loved ones good-bye. before you enter the building, you should be screened. the notion of wondering through a building of navigating a building regardless of purpose
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200 or 300 feet is problematic. the additional question is do the tsa agents require to be armed? i don't believe necessarily all of them. i think what people have to realize is the function with tsa now is that they are screening your luggage. maybe we need to add a component where they have supervisory people there to assess the passengers as they come through, not necessarily their luggage or personal belongings. >> it's interesting. someone who rolls up to the airport late, if that helps save people, i'm behind it. thank you very much. we appreciate it. lou is going to stick around a little bit. he was known as a subway vigilante after shooting fourteen agers. today, bernard making headlines again. we are going to talk more about it after the break. and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company.
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fourteen agers in a subway. he claims it is self-defense. he's 65 years old. he made a $35 pot deal in the west village last night and he was arrested. i want to bring back lou now. you are a cop in the new york city area. when everyone is talking about the subway vigilante, tell me what it was like being a police officer then. racial tension was high and there was so much going on. initially, he wasn't charged with attempted murder or shooting them, right? >> no, nothing. my understanding is he got pretty much a pass on this incident. it was only the byproduct of someone outspoken to say more people should do what he did. they had to harness him and they decided to prosecute him. >> he was outspoken. was he seen as a hero to many new yorkers? >> i don't think he was perceived as hero. i will tell you the social
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climate in the city was troublesome. you couldn't walk anywhere without concern for your safety. people were just alarmed. so, i don't necessarily think they perceived him as a hero, but a lot of people understood what he did. >> every city has a crime problem, right? people forget how bad the crime problem was in new york city then comparatively. new york city is like disney now compared to back then. it was horrific. you couldn't walk through the park or times square or certain neighborhoods. >> i can tell you the problem going through the parks. you couldn't walk from one end of a park to the other without being solicited for drugs. they implemented effective policies that involve quality of
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life and zero tolerance and the implementation of stop, search and frisk policy that took homicide from 2600 to 500. >> it's interesting when you think about the quality of life crimes. that's what started it with bill braden was quality of life, little things like breaking windows or breaking in someone's car. people would be arrested for those small things. that started turning around the crime in new york city. also, i wonder if bernard goetz, did it change the way we looked at weapons and the use of force? was it his legacy? >> i don't believe his incident was necessarily a stimulant to any gun issue in our country. i think it was somewhat isolated instance that a lot of people understood. the city was dangerous. people were nervous.
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they were nervous about being out at night and riding subways. i don't think he necessarily ushered in an age. >> okay. you mentioned stop and frisk. i didn't talk about it. i want to drill on it a little more in a couple minutes. lou is going to stick around and talk about the controversial stop and frisk policy here in new york city. it is back on following a judges ruling. we are going to talk about whether that is a good thing. the parents of a teenager are one step closer to finding out how their son died. his body was found in a rolled up gym mat. we are going to dig into this deeper as well. [ horns honking ]
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♪ norfolk southern how's that function? ♪ major developments this week for the family of the georgia teen found dead last january inside a rolled up high school gym mat. authorities decided to investigate the case. attorneys made the announcement
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thursday. cnn has chasing the story six months following records requests along with our legal department pursuing action to force the release of key evidence. that evidence includes this surveillance video showing him walking down the hall of his high school. then into the gym. it doesn't show his death. other evidence includes photos obtained by cnn that show his face was bloated and that blood, some of it spilled on the floor soaked his dread locks. now the county sheriff's office ruled his death an accident, a decision on a possible coroners inquest is expected monday. we are going to continue to talk about this. joining me is paige. paige, what does it mean the fbi investigating the case, how does that change things here? >> for the first time, we are going to have a full blown
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criminal investigation into the circumstances of his death. we do not know if anyone is going to be officially charged with the crime, yet. all we have heard is the u.s. attorney is going to make sure federal investigators get hold of the evidence, some of which cnn obtained and review it to see can we tell how he died and if we can, is it a crime. three, if it's a crime, is it one that the feds have jurisdiction over. it's really three things they have to answer before somebody is going to be charged with a crime. >> if a coroners inquest is granted, they would present information to a jury. what would happen next? >> the coroners inquest is an unusual process. itis something that has been around since the common law back in england. it's rarely used in georgia. the coroner can summon six jurors, five and one alternate and subpoena witnesses and present evidence. all they determine is the cause
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of death. they don't charge anyone. they don't try to convict anyone. they can determine whether it's a homicide or accident or if he died of natural causes. >> you know, this case is going to be difficult to investigate since this happened nearly a year ago. itis november and happened in january. does that add to the difficulty here? >> i think so. a criminal investigation like this really should have been started at the time of death. that's when the evidence is the freshest. that's when the witnesses could have been interviewed, probably would have had good information, timely information. once a case gets cold, it gets much tougher to try to determine exactly what happened. but, you know, better late than never. at least now we know that federal criminal authorities will be looking into it, reviewing the evidence and if there's something there, they will pursue it. >> do you think we'll get to the truth here? >> i think so. i have known michael moore for
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quite some time. if they say they are going to look into it, that is what they will do. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. i want to talk about another case here a controversial stop and frisk policy. back on in new york city. it's back following a judges ruling. we are discuss thag next. ♪ it's an extremely simple tool. but also extremely powerful. it could be used to start a poem. or finish a symphony. it has transformed the way we work, learn, create, share. it's used to illustrate things, solve things and think of new things.
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fortune society and lou is back with us. he is a retired law enforcement agent. glenn, i want to start with you because the new program says the program actually saves lives of blacks and hispanics, especially men. do you buy that? >> zero evidence to show it works. it's reduced crime. it's effective in getting guns off the street. there's research that shows it diminishes public safety. every time a young person of color stops according to their institute of justice report, there's an 8% less chance of them calling the police when they witness a crime. >> lou, what do you think? does it save lives? >> absolutely. i think the fact we went through an era with 2600 homicide as year that were reduced to roughly 500 through the use of stop and frisk supports the need for the tool. i think what we need to address is how the tool is implemented
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and possibly revisiting as aggressive a need we had with 2600 homicides to support it. we are down to 500. i think it's irrefutable that the individuals that benefit from the program the most, the young, black american males. >> he says there's no evidence to the case that young black males and hispanic males benefit most from stop and frisk. >> it's not correct. you have to revisit the city of new york and the '80s and '90s. >> i live in a neighborhood that was crime infested for a long time as was the entire city in new york city. if you go to some of the neighborhoods and talk to some of my neighbors, the old ladies of all ethnicities that lived there forever, they welcome stop and frisk. they think, they are under the
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impression, rightfully, wrongfully so that it actually helped their neighborhoods lower crime in 10, 20, 30 years. >> i don't think it's fair to compare where we are today in new york or anywhere in the country to the 1980s and 1990s when we were in the middle of the crack epidemic. not enjoying the economy we enjoyed the last ten to 15 years or so. the people in the communities who support stop and frisk, there's many other ways to get to public safety than racial profiling. >> how is it racial profiling. >> look at the data, the majority stopped are people of color. nut sg found. it's hundreds of thousands of innocent young black men, latino men and women stopped in new york city because essentially color, the color of a person's skin equating to a reason to stop people on the street. >> i want to say one thing to
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you so you are clear about this. there's nothing in it for a white policeman to approach a minority and express interest in searching them because the immediate response is you are doing it because i'm black or because i'm latino. the truth of the matter is the concentration of shootings that occur in the city occur in a particular area like brooklyn north or the precincts in the bronx. if you are going to talk to this thing factually, you have to acknowledge the fact the majority of the shootings occur in these communities. >> it's not as if the entire community is committing crimes. the communities with the most crime, small amounts of people are engaged. the idea you do blanket policing across the board is going to serve -- >> i just spoke to a profiler for the former fbi profiler. they profile a certain type of serial killers and now people going into airports. there are profiles for different
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types of activities, criminal or otherwise. if a certain number of people or certain demographic, i'm being devil's advocate here, if a certain demographic is -- >> i don't think it's a fair place to start. if you look at the statistics, people commit crime in proportion in representation of society. if you stood in bay ridge and did as much stop and frisk as you did in harlem, where i'm from, you would come up with a ton of arrests. >> the need in those communities doesn't support the tactics. we don't have a concentration of shootings in bay ridge like brooklyn or in the bronx. i do want to ask you one question, acknowledging that we have a homicide problem and a gun problem, can you give me the tactic to get the gun off the street? >> you have to ask what's happening in bay ridge to keep the gun shootings down that's different in other communities. >> you're right.
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>> mayor bloomberg is a big supporter of stop and frisk. it's one of his hallmark things. he's investing in young men initiatives to connect men of color to jobs and employment. >> i did a controversial no talking points where we talked about what people can do to empower themes. we mentioned the mayor's initiative to help minority men to feel better about themselves, they own their own being and neighborhoods, they are worth something. it's something new york city is doing that the rest of the country should be and some are. it's a good policy. >> i believe you can do more to stop bullets with initiative than stop and frisk. >> i agree, but in short term, when you have an immediate problem, you have to address it. we need to change the
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environment. it's a systemic issue to be candid with you. i don't think the fix to the problem is anyone one dynamic. i think it's cumulative. it's the mayor's program. i think it's stop and frisk, until we tone it down, then revisit it again. >> i need one minute. i know we have to go. we often talk about people voting against their own interest even conservatives. poor segments of the population who need health care. if stop and frisk, i'm just asking a question, if it's reducing crime, if it is saving lives of blacks and hispanics, are they voting against their own interest saying they don't want stop and frisk? >> they are. the reason they are is because there's a failure by the administration to educate people. don, it isn't just that you walk into a community or any demographic and you start to
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implement a policy. you have to afford them the opportunity to understand what it is you are doing and why. >> if it stops, if it actually stops the shooting, i would rather, i'm going to be honest here. i would rather walk down my street without getting shot than if someone, a police officer stopped and frisked me. i'm sure i would not be happy about it. i would take that rather than get shot. >> i would rather risk getting shot than see men of color. >> that's legitimate as well. it's a tough thing. great conversation. we could have it all night long but i have to move on. appreciate both of you. millions of americans who rely on food stamps will be putting less food on the table. billions of dollars cut from the program. why is it happening? and the bottom line for those affected. that's next. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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47 million americans on food stamps just saw a decrease in benefits for a family of four, it's $36 less per month to put food on the table and more cuts and benefits loom as congress continues to push and pull on the strings of the farm bill that funds food stamps. rosa florez joins me now. what is driving the cuts this time? >> it's always something. remember the 2009 american
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recovery and reinvestment act? well, it included a boost in food stamp benefits and the money has run dry. when we talk cuts in food stamps, republicans are normally blamed. this time, the finger is pointed at the white house. it sounded like a great idea when it was launched. a program aimed in part at making school lunches healthier. >> we are determined to finally take on one of the most serious threats to their future. that's the epidemic of childhood obesity. >> reporter: to fund the war on obesity, the white house borrowed money from the war on hunger. >> some of the funding comes from rolling back a temporary increase in food stamp benefits or snap as it's called starting in the fall of 2013. >> reporter: that's now, when the snap program runs out of money from the 2009 american recovery and reinvestment act. >> after the cuts, the average benefit per person per meal is
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$1.40. >> reporter: the cuts impact 47 million americans, including 22 million americans on food stamps and 9 million elderly or seriously disabled people, according to the center of budget priorities. like kathryn who went from grandma to single mother of three when her daughter died. each month, she gets $358 in food stamps to feed a family of four. about $4 a meal in a city where a box of creelial is 4.50. she sells cans to make ends meet. the president said he'd negotiate more funding with congress. negotiating with congress right now seems unlikely. >> i know a number of members of congress expressed concerns about this offset being included in the bill. i'm committed to working with them. >> reporter: the gamble upset congressional democrats. >> i did not want to do that.
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these were bad choices to make. >> reporter: she supplements food stamps eating two meal as day at a soup kitchen. a senate version of a farm bill proposes cutting $4 billion more over ten years. the one in the house cuts $39 billion more. >> we need to reform the food stamp program with better policies. i'm not concerned with the planned spending as getting the policy that is promote work and dignity. >> reporter: for kathryn, it's about making ends meet. >> i'm learning how to survive. >> reporter: food banks are feeling the pinch, folks. the one in new york city tells us they feel like they are the first line of defense against hunger. they are seeing more and more veterans unemployed and believe it or not, college educated people. dire circumstances. >> the number of homeless people in cities are going up.
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i have noticed you are seeing more homeless people in cities. times are tough. what is congress going to do? are they doing anything to reverse this? >> that's what's tough. as you heard in the report, there's the farm bill. they negotiate it every five years. in this case, there's cuts in both proposed bills. in the senate, the proposed bill has $4 billion in cuts over ten years. in the house,itis $10 billion in cuts over ten years. regardless of how you slice and dice it, it means cuts. >> thank you. appreciate that. boston strong. we heard that a lot. six months after the marathon bombings, the city of boston has a reason to celebrate. that's next. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion,
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today boston enjoyed the city wide celebration it was
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denied on april 15th. thousands of members of the red sox nation lined the streets to celebrate the third world series title in nine years. the scene was similar to the day of the boston marathon reported bombings and people running for their lives. alexandra field has more on the day boston waited months for. >> so excited. go red sox! >> reporter: this was a day not only for boston, but the entire country to celebrate. they came out to celebrate a million people strong. they lined a four-mile long parade route. >> it's good, totally good. i'm really happy. >> i have never been to one of these before. i've had a ball. got up at 4:30 this morning and drove down from new hampshire. >> reporter: as it has sounds of excitement and confetti flew through the air reveling in the
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victory of the st. louis cardinals, this was a moment bigger than a world series win. today was a reminder of the city's resilience. >> it's kind of a poetic end to a season that began with tragedy. we are boston strong. [ cheers and applause ] >> how you feeling right now? >> like a million bucks. >> reporter: inside fenway, the team paid tribute to the victims of the boston marathon bombing that killed three and injured 264 others. >> boston strong! boston strong! >> reporter: as they wound through city streets, there was this. red sox own jonny gomes placing the world series tree fi at the finish line in a 617 boston strong jersey. alexandra field, cnn, boston.
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>> very nice. congratulations, boston. in los angeles bizarre details about the l.a.x. shooter. 23-year-old paul ciancia and the note he left behind. he made a derogatory reference to janet napolitano at the end of the note. it also says tsa treats americans as terrorists. meanwhile, l.a.x. will honor the tsa officer killed with blue lights near the airport's entrance. they will shine through sunday. his widow spoke out saying she was heart broken and devastated. terminal three is now reopen one day after the suspect allegedly opened fire killing hernandez and injuring several others. a man infamous in the 1980s as the so-called subway vigilante was in police custody today. he sold marijuana to an under
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cover police officer. he claimed the killing was self-defense. goetz was arrested and released today according to a spokesman. he was at a court appearance, i mean he has a court appearance for december 18th. december 18th, a court appearance for bernard goetz. the will be offline tonight. itis deliberate. starting at 9:00 p.m. herein, it will be offline. it will last 12 hours and you can still sign up for health insurance plan by using the toll free phone number. texas senator ted cruz said his dad told a joke he shouldn't have and people making a big deal out of it are trying to smear the senator. it's posted on the mother jones magazine website showed his
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father speaking to groups and criticizing president obama. at one point, he said the president should quote, go back to kenya. senator cruz was asked about the remarks yesterday. >> well, i love my father. he is a pastor and a man of deep integrity. he made a joke. it was ill advised. sadly, those trying to play the politics of personal destruction are trying to smear him and use that to attack me. it's a shame. >> his father has a strong following in texas especially among tea party groups and campaigned often alongside his son. i'm don lemon in new york. today is the end of daylight saving time. you fall back this time of year setting your clock back an hour. set your clock back an hour. daylight saving time officially starts at 2:00 a.m. eastern. okay? it's daylight saving, no "s."
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"black fish" begins in a moment. see you back here tomorrow night. orange county fire rescue? >> 6600 sea harbor drive. seaworld stadium. >> okay. >> we actually have a trainer in the water with one of our whales, the whale they aren't supposed to be in the water with. >> okay. we'll get somebody en route. >> gate number three seaworld stadium. >> gate three.