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it will allow, take a group of guys who are already extremely high functioning on the battlefield and make them completely unstoppable. >> mccraven wants the first version of the iron man suit within a year. for "out front," barbara starr. >> they are estimating what it will cost, but the iron man suit could cost $7 billion. "ac360" starts now. erin thank you, good evening, everyone. tonight, breaking news, one of the tsa oicers wounded at l.a.x. describes the rampage that killed one of his colleagues, later killed a friend. and later, what michelle knight endured year after year. she is finally telling her story to dr. phil later tonight. and plus, incident from a player. a tsa officer wounded in friday's rampage at los angeles international airport is telling his story for the first time just moments ago.
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tony grigsby, 36 years old, his colleague, james speer was also shot. his colleague, gerardo hernandez was also shot and killed. >> before i share my experience, for a moment, let me take a minute to express the sadness if feel from my heart over the loss of my friends. he was killed in the line of duty, gerardo hernandez. only now it has hit me that i will never see him again. he was a wonderful person. and a friend, and i will miss him. i send my condolences to his family. last time i talked to him, we joked about going on vacation to
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mexico and what should i do, where i should not go? i talked to him a lot. very dear friend to me, i used to talk to him a lot at terminal three. i was injured while helping an elderly man trying to get to a safe area. i turned around and there was a gunman that shot me twice. i was shot in the foot. after i was shot i got to the area where the planes were at. and people were coming towards me and asking were you shot and what is going on. and i was like -- i couldn't -- all i could think about wasou know, helping them like you know. i may be injured right now, but the concern is really to take care of you. we don't know where the gunman is at. so i like to make sure people are safe first, don't worry about me. so that is my story. thank you for giving me a chance to tell a little bit what happened to me.
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thank you. >> a decent guy, in a moment you're going to hear another story, all the developments on the situation today. for that, chu kuyung lah. >> reporter: this is a big strong guy, when i spoke to her grandmoth grandmother, she said her grandson is in pain, that is going to be a long recovery process for him and the other victims. meanwhile, we are learning more from law enforcement especially about some excruciating, missed details. when paul ciancia woke up on friday morning he quickly put his violent plan into action. his first move, according to a woman who knows the gunman and his roommate was to get to the airport. she asked not to be identified. >> that morning, he doesn't knock, just opens the door, says
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i need to leave. can you take me now. >> reporter: one of ciancia's roommates drive him to l.a.x. it is then believed that ciancia texted his brother in new jersey. police say the texts were suicidal. they asked them to check on him. >> the call came in at 10:06 to the communications dispatch center. the officers were on scene in six minutes. >> reporter: ciancia was not there, he had about six minutes earlier already started his rampage at terminal three. his father also called the local police chief in new jersey. chieflan cummings then called the lapd, and was told the officers had just cleared ciancia's apartment because he was not there. the next call was from a reporter who told him paul ciancia was the gunman. >> i put the phone down and
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basically said oh, my god. i couldn't believe it. i was in shock. >> reporter: seconds later, ciancia's father saw the tv coverage and called him. >> said am i seeing this on tv, the shooting at the airport? it was an emotional wreck, can you imagine seeing somebody on tv and something like that. i think he was just in shock. he was very upset. >> reporter: the fbi says ciancia planned this, carried five loaded magazines and wrote a note that showed he targeted tsa officers, officer gerardo hernandez, a father of two, just happened to be stationed in the area when ciancia drew his 22 caliber rifle. ciancia shot him once, went up the escalator, turned around and shot him again. horror in the area, that the timing was so wrong. >> what if we could have stopped that and the officers appeared at the residence to do a well
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being check on him a and he had not left yet. it would have been a phenomenal thing if we could have stopped that. >> it is an extraordinarily frustrating thing, there is probably not an officer in the country that doesn't wish they could have gone there and stopped him at the house before he did the terrible things. >> they came so close, the police chief in new jersey knew the family for a long time and essentially saw the gunman grow up. did he tell you anything about him? >> reporter: well, he says this is a good family, a very tight knit family, a family you may see anywhere in middle america. and he says it is simply shocking that it happened to these parents. parents who put their kids in the best private school they could afford, and these kids who never got in trouble. especially, the gunman, they were just always assumed to do the right thing. >> and coming up, former scout and current l.a. area high
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school leader, brian ludmer, seen there on the left is recovering from a very serious leg wound. the fact he was probably near the tsa officer, saved him. dan, you visited brian in the hospital yesterday, how is he doing? >> i saw him yesterday morning, he is doing very well, anderson. his spirits are up. he is a positive guy. he has got a long road ahead of him but has a lot of love and support around him. >> i know you guys spoke extensively about the shooting. what did he say? >> he said that he had heard the gunshots, he was on the second level, the gunshots began on the first level. everyone ran, chaos, pandemonium. he found himself near two tsa agents, the gunman on the side,
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and that is when he said his right leg went to jello, his leg had been shattered. he collapsed and dragged himself to a nearby closet. and as you said found a sweat shirt in the closet, made a make shift tourniquet out of it, closed the door, and stayed until he was released. >> it was incredibly rational thinking at a time like that. is there any idea what his road to recovery will be like? i mean, you said it is a long road. >> he has a long road. he had a second surgery today. i believe they're going to -- i believe today they inserted a titanium rod to help stabilize the leg. the first surgery friday was to put the external stabilizer on the leg to make sure it stayed the right length, and they can try to bone graft or do a rod. he is a great guy, we can't wait
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to get him back. >> i know he is a great employee. >> he connects with the kids, cares about them. he is the guy who tries to find a way to say yes. he runs our brand-new theaters for us, the students put on a show last summer, he is a big loss for us. but he is healing. he is going in the right direction, so we're sending up prayers and positive energy. >> and you are hoping he comes back to teaching? >> absolutely. he is the kind of guy you want in a class, build a strong relationship with the kids. he is everything that is right about public teaching. >> all right, well, dan, we appreciate you talking to us and give our best to his family. tweet us, let us know what you think. next, michelle knight describing what it was like in castro's house of horrors. dr. phil joins us next and will show us parts of what she says.
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the monster, ariel castro, michelle knight, amanda berry were held captive, in august, castro was sentenced to life in prison, he killed himself later, he could not have erased the ordeal he subjected amanda and the others to. this time, michelle describes the time castro immobilized you. >> so he gets you in a room, what does he tie you up with? >> one of those extension cords, i was tied up like a fish, on the wall, the only way i can describe it. i was hanging like this, my feet, i was tied by my neck and arms with the extension cord going like that? >> oh, my god. >> so he tied your hands and feet and also around your neck,
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and hung you? >> the interview airs tomorrow and wednesday, dr. fill jophil s tonight. so dr. phil, it is remarkable she was able to talk so openly about it. was it easy for her to talk? >> you know, anderson, i was very surprised because i was concerned she would have a difficult time. because like so many others i was able to see her do her statement in the courtroom. and then a statement that was on youtube. and those really do not tell you who she is. everyone had said in the media that she was intellectually disabled, and i was not at all sure what her ability was to be able to talk. when i sat down with her, i found she was intelligent, articulate, and really forthcoming about the things she had to say. this was a very well spoken young woman. >> we also learned just how
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demented castro was. she talks about him throwing money at her. >> did you fight him at the time? >> i was shocked. >> panic, just froze? >> yeah. and the only thing i can do is cry. begging him let me go back to my son. >> what did you say to him? >> i said please don't do this to me. and he said, again, he can't take me back. and then he throw money at me. >> what was the significance of him throwing money at you? >> he was obsessed with prostitutes. and also he thought i was a 13-year-old prostitute. when he found out my real age, he got mad. >> i mean, this was such a sick demented man. >> he not only brutalized michelle physically in terms of raping and beating her, but he also terrorized her emotionally.
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he would taunt her about no one looking for her. he would play mind games and set up seeming opportunities for her to escape. a door left unlocked. a chain that was not properly connected. then he would make a show of leaving and sneak back into the house to see if he could catch her trying to escape. and if and when he did, the punishment was swift. it was brutal. and it lasted for days and days at a time. >> there were also periods of time where she would be left all alone. no food, no water, no bathroom for days, right? >> she came out weighing 75 pounds, which was just a little over half of her body weight when she went in. and he would leave her with nothing, nothing to eat, nothing to drink. and she had like a small can, a coffee can, that she would have to use as a bathroom. >> what did she say about her relationship with the other
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women that she was held captive with, gina dejesus? amanda berry, how quickly did she meet them? >> well, we know she was taken first, and had to spend an entire year with him alone, and she had to deal with this monster, one-on-one, all this time. about a year later, then the second girl comes in. and about a year later, it was not exactly a year. the third one comes in. and it seems as though, particularly in the early going, he kept them very separate. >> was there ever a time she tried to escape? >> you know, anderson there were times where she felt like she could get away. but quickly, these things would disappear for her. understanding that he kept her chained up, either a chain around her neck, her waist or her ankles most of the time. she did everything she could to get people's attention.
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and the tactics and strategies that she used to negotiate this man and try to keep herself alive until she got a chance to escape were very impressive. i mean, she used tactics that you hear homeland security and the fbi using. i mean, just by instinct she did that. >> one thing i always wonder about people being kidnapped in this type of a situation is how you survive, day to day, week to week, sometimes second by second, did she talk to you about how mentally she would escape? what gave her that will to survive? >> you know, it is astounding to me that she had the strength that she did. now think about this. he has chained her to this pole around the neck and her waist, put a motorcycle helmet, straps it tight, closes the visor, and
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chief leaves her there for days, it is cold, it smells, there was not enough play in the chain to lay down, so she would just lean into it and pass out essentially. and then she would wake back up. she says she was referred to as the unbreakable one. she fought him every step of the way. she would fight back. she would challenge him. she would argue with him and she would pay the price for it but she said that she knew that after having seen his face that he could not let her go. so her goal was to stay alive a day to the next until she got a chance to get out of there. >> well, part two, our interview with dr. phil, one other note, there is a trust fund set up. and we'll get the details later. up next, jonathan martin leaves the team, dodging allegations of player misconduct -- i should say
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conduct, the reports showed he sent damaging language to martin who last week took a leave of absence from the team. in a statement, the team acknowledged martin's allegations, but didn't identify the target of the complaint. more on the story tonight. some of the language in the report is graphic. >> reporter: call it the $4.8 million mystery, that is potentially the amount of money, this man, jonathan martin walked away from when he quickly quit the miami dolphins. why did he do it? speculation centers around this man, his teammate. according to multiple news reports, including those from espn and, richie incognito allegedly left a voice mail after he was drafted. the voice mail was filled with
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expletive, in the voice mail, martin was called names. a voice told martin he wants to slap his expletive mouth and slap his real mother across the face. the message reportedly tells martin he is still a rookie, and then before hanging up, the caller says, i'll kill you. the miami dolphins suspended richie incognito indefinitely, explaining the conduct was detrimental to the team. incognito was reported to be the second dirtiest player. he took to twitter, saying shame on you for attaching my name to false speculation, i won't hold my breath for an apology. and a few minutes later, this one aimed at several sports networks, i want my name cleared.
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clearing his name may not be so easy, incognito may have to explain if he had anything to do with martin suddenly leaving the team. was it really about moved tables with martin trying to join them, or was there something else going on? espn reports that martin has not filed a formal complaint, for fear of problems. martin paid 15,000 doctor to incognito to fund a trip for play players, fearing the consequences if he didn't hand over the money. it all seems to be a part of a bigger issue, hazing. this clip from a documentary, "hard knocks," shows what some younger players are put through. former atlanta falcons player told cnn hazing is practically a
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rite of passage. >> most levels in football, it happens on every level. it is harmless, most of the time it is harmless. >> reporter: martin may not have had to deal with anything like this, but when he left the team last week, he reportedly sought mental health counseling, and expressed a desire to spend time with his family. cnn is trying to confirm reports on this family. but calls to martin, incognito and their representatives have not been confirmed. the coach downplayed any conduct at a latest press conference. >> i want you to know in all of my discussions with jonathan and his family, i want you to know at no time were there allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or this organization. >> reporter: although it is unclear if or when he may return to the team, the dolphins have expressed their full support for jonathan martin. but with richie incognito
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suspended, his future with the team is less certain. isha is here with a "ac360" bulletin. >> and there is other football news to tell you about, houston texans head coach still in the hospital after collapsing on the field last night, during a game with the colts. he did not have a heart attack, but they did not say what caused the incident. the obama administration is concerned that once the website is fully functioning, some consumers may be angry about the limited insurance policies available to them, and in some cases, higher cost, according to an administration document obtained by cnn. tonight, the president talked about the website. >> there have been some tough parts, let's face it. you know, the truth of the matter is that while ultimately, the website, is going to be the easiest place to shop for and buy these new plans, and it is getting faster and more stable. it is not where it needs to be
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yet. >> and a referendum to split colorado in two is on the ballot. many say they feel that state government favors urban governments over the rest of them. even if the amendment passes, secession is highly unlikely. and scientists believe that king tut, the egyptian king who died at the age of 19 was hit by a chariot and killed. they say his injuries included shattered ribs and pelvis. >> interesting, thank you. and the nypd's controversial stop-and-frisk policy in question. >> what am i getting arrested for? >> for being a [ bleep ]. and also ahead, a shocking rape and allegations of cover-up by some of the country's top universities. imes it's like we're still in college.
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incogn hey, welcome back, tonight on "ac360" later, a panel is with us, we're devoting the
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whole hour to topics like "stand your ground," and other situations like african-americans arrested while shopping in department stores. well, let's look at new york's controversial policy, stop-and-frisk, opponents say it unfairly targets latinos and african-americans, we'll hear more reports later. but first, i want to play you a recorded message from when a teenager was stopped. >> you again? >> i just got stopped two blocks ago. >> you look very suspicious. >> because you're always looking at me very crazy. >> why do you look back at us? >> because you look at me crazy, always. >> listen to me, listen to me, our job is to look at suspicious behavior, when you keep looking at us -- >> because i just got stopped two block was. >> because you keep doing that
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[ bleep ] man, when you walk down the block with your hood up and you keep looking back -- >> i had my hoodie up. it was cold. you going to smack me, you going to smack me, you asked me why i had a hoodie on -- you asked me why i had a hoodie on, why are you touching me for? >> that clip is contained in a film called "the hunted and the hated," which is pacific oceaned on line, the filmmaker will join us later. and later, charles blow, senior political commentator, what do you make of the recording? what stands out to you? >> two things, the fact he was recording, sounds like he was trying to deliberately walk past and -- may have done some behavior to cause the police to
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take a look at him. and especially, since he said he just got stopped two blocks back. and you again, is the way they encounter -- that part is fine. obviously, the escalation and the dialogue of him asking a question and being threatened to be smacked is completely inappropriate in that regard. >> right. charles, what do you make when you hear that? what does that tell you? >> well, i think one important thing -- it illuminates for a lot of people is the nature of what a stop-and-frisk is. i think a lot of people think it is kind of an south florioffice where are you going? i need to frisk you, and thank you and you're on that way. it is not always that kind of friendly sort of interaction.
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it is sometimes very fraught. and i heard another man part of the suit giving his description of it. it was very invasive, very violent. no one is explaining anything to him. at least the cops are trying to say the reason we are stopping you is because of x, y or z, that is not what happened. the extent of the frisking even shocked me. the parts of his body they're putting their hands on. when they're finished they don't even say you can now get up and leave. they just walk to the car and drive away. i mean, i think the kind of emotional scars that can have on people, particularly if nine out of ten people who are stopped and frisked are never charged, never get a summons, what is that doing to hundreds of
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thousands of young men long-term? >> and not only long term, but fighting crime. >> one recent study reported to me, they were just trying to look at the effects, what they were, this is kind of new research. they're finding people who are subjected to stop-and-frisk, who were not charged, were less likely to call the police when they were actually the victims of crime. when they needed the truth. >> do you think that is true, kevin, because there is such a problem with people not reporting or testifying, not coming to police when they have witnessed a crime, do you think this kind of adds to that suspicion of police, the dislike of police that has ramifications? >> absolutely, why come to your house if i'm going to be treated badly? and i agree with that. you know, the issue with stop in question, or stop-and-frisk now as it is referred to, it is -- numbers driven now the way the
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micro-management of these numbers have taken over. so where you needed to have an accountability, whether the cops had the right summons, in an area that was not prone to violations, they were still asked to stop and ask questions. it was almost as if there was a notification, i didn't have to pat you down or frisk you. >> so the nature has changed -- >> absolutely, back in the '80s and '90s when we would do a 250, the uf-250 is what the form was in the police department. you would just write a description, sometimes they didn't want to tell you a name. you just wrote a description of the clothing. it was mostly driven by a patent analysis of a particular time of crime, a robbery or sex case.
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you know, you have sex offenses going on in certain sections of the city. and they put out the notifications and wanted posters. and the person may not necessarily be armed. so you're looking for the behavior on the street and if you're going to have an encounter with somebody, it is documented because you don't know if you're grabbing the guy at the time. >> and i want to play you -- there is not just a threat of shakedown, listen to the recording here. >> shut your [ bleep ] mouth. >> you're asking the questions? >> i was -- respect. that is about -- >> you always stop me for no reason, why are you pushing me? for what? >> i'm going -- >> you're going to drop me on my face? >> don't got a phone. >> the traffic -- >> don't touch me, okay, he is a photographer? why you -- >> does -- does stop-and-frisk actually work in stopping crime?
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does it work? >> i can tell you from interviews with defendants after arrests, yeah, it is something that is in their minds, as well, when they're out. whether it is for committing robberies or other types of offenses, it is something that they're cognizant of. >> do you think if it stopped in new york, or altered significantly, the crime would go up? >> yeah, listen, my personal opinion is you create an environment where the police become afraid to be involved. you then respond to a 911 job, there is no proactive police reporting, you take a file, somebody looks down the road at it, to investigate it. where the street account or arrest is really -- if you call 911, do you want somebody to wait five minutes before they come and take a report and send you on your way? >> you're saying the police are more cautious -- >> no one is saying get rid of
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stop-and-frisk, i think it can be an effective tool. we shouldn't take it away from police, but it should be a reasonable suspicion that you operate on. one thing that came out years ago, white people stopped and frisked were more likely to have guns. the truth of it may sound odd, but it is because they were stopped for a cause, not because they were white. the success rate of the suspicion was higher. >> we're going to have more with charles in our 10:00, i appreciate you being on. we'll continue the conversations an hour from now, during a special edition of "ac360," stop and frisk, america's struggle for racial equality, if we're succeeding. and up next, is there a cover-up going on with the vanderbilt rape case, four are
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comfort individualized. crime and punishment tonight, the rape case that has shocked nashville and the vanderbilt university incident. four have been charged with the sexual battery and rape back in june, all four were kicked off the team and suspended from school, now all are out on bond.
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but there was current information that the quarterback was actually there, too, and helped to move the victim. there was secrecy involving the case. gary tuckman has more. >> i think everybody would agree that there were crimes that were committed in the room that night, yes. >> with this victim? >> yes, with this young lady. >> morrick robinson is an attorney for a young man named corey beatty, a player. along with three others he was accused of raping a female student in the dorm room. beatty and the other three all faced the possibility of up to 25 years in prison. attorneys involved in the case say the victim was dating vandenburg, a highly sought off recruit who allegedly videotaped the incident. and all pled not guilty.
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but batey will be open to a plea bargain. >> you acknowledge your client was involved. >> reporter: there was also a fifth player, chris boyd, who was charged with the lesser crime of trying to cover up the rape. >> guilty. >> reporter: it was at this court hearing that the shocked community got another shock. the district attorney wrote a current note, saying that the quarterback, samuels, helped to move the unconscious victim out of the hallway after the attack. then, to everyone's surprise, the prosecutor said that what boyd texted was a mistake and offered no explanation why. it was a bombshell, and had everybody in the city wondering if there was a cover-up for the team's star player. i talked to him about the
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conduct. >> you testified it was a text, so did the quarterback help to move the victim? >> that was his text, yes. >> so did the quarterback help to move the victim? >> no, at least the police investigation indicated he was not present when the victim was moved. >> so did he lie then? >> he sent an incorrect text. >> and why would he do that? he knows who the quarterback is. >> do you know the answer? >> i think i know the answer. >> so there was a motivation he had, not to tell the truth. >> well, again, that will come out at trial. >> reporter: so what is that all about? the prosecutor says moving a woman from the hallway into a room is not a crime in any way. but if moving the woman by the quarterback is proven, there could be a different scandal. >> there is no protecting the quarterback from this office? >> no, i don't know what we're protecting him from. >> >> you're not protecting him?
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>> no, i'm not. >> the lack of public information in the case has been criticized. a columnist wrote was the starting quarterback there before, during or after? it is a yes or no question, but the prosecutors are playing a championship game of dodge ball. >> i think if they're trying to build confidence from the public that they're handling this properly, the secrecy has not been helping them. >> reporter: the prosecutor says it is an insult to his integrity to suggest his office is participating in a cover-up. >> so you say no matter what the criminal case is, you would release as little in this case. >> that is our policy. >> reporter: the request for interview was turned down, the administration didn't want to talk on camera. they told us their thoughts from the outset have been with the
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victim and family. we continue to offer her all the services and support. what is clear about this case, there is plenty of video, video shot in the room, and surveillance video shot from the hallway. >> is it fair to say you're sure the quarterback was not there because there is video of this incident? >> that is fair to say. >> reporter: what is also fair to say is that the quarterback is on the prosecution witness list for the trial of the case. prosecutors are not saying specifically why. gary tuckman, cnn, nashville, tennessee. we'll continue to follow up on this, let's get caught up with more stories from isha. and university on lockdown for several hours today after several people reported seeing a man with a gun. the campus police say they're looking at whether it was a student wearing a halloween costume that included a sword-like object. a student was arrested and charged with breach of peace. and a new york firefighter rescuing a student stuck between
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time now for the ridiculous list. in the town of pacayune, they wondered what it was. the residents have another description for this creature. >> if a zombie had a dog, it would look like that. >> one neighbor thought it looked like a hairless coyote. >> i kept looking it up, we then ran back and forth to the car, because we didn't want it to get us. >> has the legendary animal taken residence here? >> we came out here, i could see it running over there. i said look, daddy, that is over there. he said that is a squatch dog. >> i get what a zombie is, i know about what the goat sucker
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is, but what is a squatch dog? is that a dog that barks, who is the product of a love affair between a sasquatch and a dog? if that is the case, it is prosecu pretty far from home. we have proof that big foot is alive. he has been playing tricks on a guy named ken. >> he yelled, whoop, whoop, and after about five minutes of that, it was two or three minutes that came from here, and then like a few days later, they took my couch, dropped it and dragged it 20 feet toward the house. >> his couch was outside the house, and big foot was driving the couch toward the house? what was the couch doing outside? so many questions that ken raises, he says that big foot has also moved the wood piles and thrown rocks over his head.
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now, look, i'm certainly no psychologist or psychiatrist, but it sounds like big foot is irritated because he is all the way out in california, while his dog is 2500 miles away in mississippi. or maybe this is another type of skuatch dog. >> the way they described it to me. it is a coyote, really bad off with the mange. >> oh, dear, the mange. the woman who took the video and says if this is an animal in distress, she wants to help. you can't really approach him. if he is a coyote bad off with the mange, you probably should not approach him anyway. >> it is probably sick, weak, not able to hunt on its own, so it is going to the nearest food source they can find. >> they need to be aware, to stay away, and let nature take its course.
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>> i'm kind of sad actually, for our purposes, let's just say he is indeed the animal. all right, that does it for us, later, a special race in the justice edition, and later, "ac360," our panel will discuss that. "piers morgan live" starts now. this is "piers morgan live." big one is of course in 2016. all the smart money is now saying that chris christie will run, especially if he does what people expect tomorrow. but his tough talk is raising some eyebrows. did chris christie call newt gingrich a joke that couldn't be taken seriously? >> well, tonight for the first time you will be live with me to fire back. look at him, lng