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#gaga in space 2015. so excited thinking about lady gaga in space. saw her in washington. she's amazing. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. in "the situation room." you'll see my interview with the nfl hall of famer tony dorsett talking ability his recent diagnosis. "ne "newsroom" continues now with brooke baldwin. doughnuts, cake, cookies. big news, the government looking to ban transfats in all foods, foods you love. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. a woman looking for help in the middle of the night, knocks on a door and is shot to death by the homeowner. we're on the case. a satellite expected to fall to earth soon, but no one knows where or when. plus, revealed. new videos from the gym where a teenager was found dead inside a
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wrestling mat. but the thing is, one video doesn't look like the rest. and the picture that has everyone talking today. and we begin. great to be with you. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin talking food and this major announcement from the fda that could soon affect a lot of the food, i know i, love to eat. i'm talking fried food, doughnuts, dessert, you name it. if the fda has it way and it's likely it will, artificial transfats will be banned from the food supply in the united states. that involves your favorite canned, frozen, or baked processed foods as well. regulators say a major source of transfats, partially hydrogenated oils, is no longer recognized at safe. you have the cdc, the centers
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for disease control saying this, that the ban could prevent up to 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 coronary heart disease deaths each and every year. once this ban is official, food companies would then have to get approval from the fda to add transfat to food. we'll talk live to a dietician in a moment to see what this means for you and me. meantime, i want to take you to detroit. and to this case here that has everyone talking today. this 19-year-old woman is shot in the back of her head after family members say she knocked on the door of a home while looking for help. the woman had been in a car accident in the detroit suburb of deerborn heights in the early morning hours of saturday. the family says she was shot with a shotgun as she turned to leave, and they want charges filed now against the homeowner. >> what do we want? >> justice. >> when do we want it? >> now.
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>> family members and friends of the girl held a vegal. this is last night outside the home where she was shot. they told the detroit free press that mcbride walked four blocks looking for help after she hit another car. you see her cell phone had died. and prosecutors say the case is still being investigated to determine if charges will be filed. mcbride's family believes she was racially profiled. >> people would stop identifying instead of judging people, this would be a better world. so much violence here. we need peace. i need peace. i need justice for my niece. >> it's unfortunate in the city. we just had a murder of a young woman at lane state. we would hope that somebody could go to somebody's door at 4:00 in the morning and seek help and not end up dying and leaving their family grieving.
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>> mcbride's aunt told the free press the homeowner was arrested but later released. she said she didn't know why mcbride was driving in the area to begin with. it is the most anticipated ipo of the year. social media giant twitter went public today. #people rushing to buy a piece of this company. twitter originally priced its shares at $26, givish it a value of more than $18 billion, but you heard the opening bell. it opened trading today much, much higher. nearly double that amount at $45. for the sake of comparison, compare that to other social media stock prices and their ipos. facebook started at $38 a share. only to tank. and then recover at its current price. linkedin, for example, more than qu qu quadrupled from its original
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offering, and google, the success story with shares going for more than $1,000. alison kosik is live for me from the new york stock exchange on the first day of twitter's ipo. looking good so far, i would say. >> looking very good. you thing about what the heavy hitters got in on with this stock. they got in at $26. heavy hitters meaning the mutual funds, the pension funds, the edge funds. that's the price they got. you know what inchd else got? $45. that's what a share went for when the stock opened. it's up more than 70%, almost 80% right now, trading at $46 a share. i talked with one trader. he said this is insane. this is koo koo. this is overvalued, but nonetheless, a lot of demand for this stock. interesting because twitter has yet to even turn a profit. twitter has lost $134 million so far this year, but many people believe that for ipos, it's more about what's to come than where it's been. meaning where the company has been. now, the real work begins, though, brooke, for the company
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to go ahead and turn a profit and prove to investors that this was money well spent, brooke. >> let's talk perspective. we talked about facebook and how they have evolved through time. we remember the messy morning, you know, how botched that was initially. you talked to a ceo today. how does he think everything went? >> i spoke to the ceo of the new york stock exchange, and he seems pleased with how things went. it went very seamless. and this was a huge get for the new york stock exchange to get the listing of twitter right here because you know, the nasdaq, they were duking it out for that listing, and the nyse got it. they were pleased about it. listen to what he had to say. >> we're really proud of it because as i said to my team at a town hall meeting a couple days ago, you don't have to go back that far to a time when we were winning one or two out of every ten technology ipos. now we're winning 6 or 7 out of every 10 technology ipos, including a lot of the important
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ones. the wind's in our sails. no time to get complacent. >> with the nyse getting this one right, you know they're going to try to get more listings, spaulsh since this was a hyped up, anticipated ipo. >> alison kosik, thank you so much. like i mentioned, back to food and this transfat news today. the fda, if they have it way, and it's likely it will, artificial transfats will be banned from the food supply in the united states. that includes your favorite cans and frozen and baked foods. here is julie schwartz. a food expert. she rushed over to tell us what it means for us right now. first, can i get a transfat 101? what does the stuff do to us if we consume it? >> transfats has been shown to be bad for our health. it's bad for our heart health. it creates high cholesterol, especially our ldl cholesterol, which is our bad cholesterol.
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it also makes foods really tasty. the problem with that is then we want to eat more. there could be some contribution to our obesity and overweight epidemic. >> if this is removed from your favorite frozen pizza, what is it replaced with and does it affect the taste? >> it may go back to older formulas. it may affect the taste, the texture. that might be a positive for some people, a negative for others because we all have different taste buds. however, it may make it healthier, but what if they replace it with the saturated fat, which we know leads to the same issues. >> not good. >> are we going to replace a not good with a less not so good, or maybe in my opinion, we might be missing a message all together. >> do you think so far if this happened, the fda is moving in a right direction and you support it. >> >> i do support it because we know transfats are negative on
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our health. they are tasty foods, convenience foods. since we as an american public aren't making the best choices and the best accountability, somewhere, i do believe that we need to be a community to come together in the best interests of all of us. which is a little far fetched a little bit, but at the same time, it is a positive for our country. and doesn't mean that people are going to stop eating those foods. no, not at all. but it will make them potentially a little healthier for us. or at least make us aware. >> when we talk about those foods, somebody jokingly handled me a honey bun today and i said thanks but no thanks. what are the foods with the highest amount of the transfalts. >> the ones with the highest amounts are the ones that are not healthiest for us. fried foods, doughnuts, packaged foods. some of our frozen foods. the honey buns, the cakes, the cookies, the sweet, the desserts. but it's also in our margarine.
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so there get to be -- that's where i have a bit of a conflict as a dietician. is, you know, a little bit of marmg rn, i really don't have a problem with people using that over butter, especially if they have heart disease, and especially if it's labeled so you know if you're getting transfats or not. >> sounds like it's going to happen, julie. we'll see if people, whether or not they don't pick up the honey buns. they're more aware, to your point. >> right, and i think that awareness is really important. because right now, we might not be as aware. at least we can make an honest choice instead of not knowing what's in our food and being ignorant. coming up, ripping video of a former nfl player being shot. >> there might be a hostage. >> find out why police have busted through this door. we'll tell you what happened next. also very soon, a satellite
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[ bleep ] >> what was that? >> knife over there? >> yeah. >> shut it down. >> this happened back in september. this was at the home of the father of daytona beach mayor derrick henry. green was shot six times. his girlfriend once. both are okay. green remains in jail on two felony charges and is scheduled for trial in january. his girlfriend may sue florida police. criminal defense attorney janet johnson joins me here in studio. and i mean, we don't know, but police may have saved her life. >> right. >> if she sues, would she have a case? >> you know, i think she has a case, but what it tells you is she's the victim. she was held at knifepoint. i don't know that she's a willing participant in the criminal defense trial. that's what's interesting. she's not against the guy who was holding her hostage. she's against the police. >> that's what makes it bizarre.
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>> exactly. yeah, i think she might have a case, but quite frankly, what were the police going to do? she was getting a knife dug into her. >> what about just the video here itself? how would this play out if used in court? >> what's interesting is i'm a florida criminal defense attorney so this is right in my neck of the woods. a lot of times victims in these situations whether it's because they're battered spouses and they don't know any better and they don't know what to do, they recant a lot of the time. >> why? >> there's two schools of thought. one is, it didn't happen. i have clients who said this isn't what happened. this isn't wrong. she's lying, and they come forward and say i was lying. the alternative is they're battered and they're afraid. if they prosecute the guy and he doesn't go to jail, he will come back and finish the deal. >> there is video proof. >> yes, so it's a hard thing for her to not show up and say it
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didn't happened. if i do show up, the video will be used either way. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. we have breaking news now. it's called one of the most powerful storms ever. and now this super typhoon is intensifying. chad myers talk to me. what are you seeing? >> it's called haiyan. winds up to 195 miles per hour. it is an amazing storm. i have not seen one like this in a very long time. this would be one of the top ten storms ever on the planet. >> wow. >> we had wilma, we had gilbert. those were the biggest ones in the atlantic. this is the pacific, so it's called a typhoon. it's the same thing. look at the image, the eye. the three-dimensional eye moving right toward the philippines. most of the people in the philippines live farther to the north. there's manila. but this storm will be within 150 miles of that very large city. the storm surge could be tremendous. 30 to 40 feet. this is a bigger storm that what
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>> okay, we know you're keeping an eye on it. chad, thank you. we'll check back with you. >> now a warning to be on the lookout for falling meteors. find out why the world could expect to see more meteors hitting the earth, and i'll talk to a woman who survived being hit by space junk. >> also, pope francis proves yet again he is the pope of the people. have you seen this photo today? the story behind this picture coming up next. e basics, you kn. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. whether you're just starting your 401(k) or you are ready for retirement, we'll help you get there.
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breaking news because right now, history is being made in the u.s. senate with a vote on
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outlawing workplace bias against gay, bisexual and transgender americans. i want to take you to capitol hill to dana bash. tell me what's happening there. >> the headline is this bill just passed the senate by a vote of 64-32. ten republicans by our count, ten republicans joined democrats in voting to support this, including some republicans who are known as pretty staunch conservatives but felt it is time for various reasons to support a bill that's specifically ends discrimination in the workplace based on people's sexuality, people's -- person relationships, probably the best way to put it. that's certainly a significant move in the senate. the obvious question now, brooke, is what happened in the house? the house speaker has said and repeated again at least through a spokesman today, that he
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doesn't intend to bring this up. why? because he believes that there are already protections in place for everybody, including homosexuals and other gay americans who, they don't need special protection. so that's why the house republican leader is saying that he's not -- excuse me, the speaker is saying he's not going to bring this up for a vote, despite the fact there are five republican cosponsors in the house, and they're, by all accounts, probably would pass the house if it was put on the floor. >> i want to go back to the senate because this is a push by senate democrats. where is senator john mccain on this. back and forth a little bit. >> interesting if you look at the evolution, the change in gay issues and gay rights in america. good example of the change is john mccain. he campaigned very much against gay marriage when he was running for president. he is a conservative on social issues across the board, but he voted yes on this today.
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and it really does show you the changing demographics and the changing attitude in this country. i mean, he has a wife that is very outspoken on gay rights issues, a daughter who is outspoken on gay rights issues. we know from people around him, he knows people who are gay and in gay relationships and also in the workplace, and want protections who are gay. so that is, i think, a really prime example of how things are really shifting despite the fact that of course there were still 30-plus republicans who voted no on this for various reasons. again, many of them say they don't believe this is the federal issue, that it should be left to the states and many of these people already have protections under other laws. >> dana bash in washington for us. appreciate it. let's talk about the earth now because the earth is bombarded daily by meteors. november, peak month for meteor showers. professional sky watchers say
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this bright object over southern california last night was likely a meteor. the vast majority of these shooting stars are pebble-sized or smaller. remember this? this one over southwest russia back in february, took astronomers by surprise. about 60 feet across. that is smaller than what scientists are trained to look for. no one saw it coming. the latest calculations reveal that russian meteor smashed into the atmosphere with the force of more than 30 hiroshima atomic bombs. if had it hit near a major city, the results could have been catastrophic. chad myers is with me here. we're going to talk about this. latte williams is also here with me from tulsa, oklahoma. as far as we know, she's the only person on earth to have been hit by space debris. so lotti, let me begin with you. this happened in 1997? tell me about it.
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>> yes, we saw the rocket -- the remnants of it coming back, returning to earth. and i believe it malfunctioned that night. so that's the reason a small piece of it hit me. >> how small space junk hit you? how big? >> about the size of my hand. and it weighs a little less than an empty soda can. >> did it hurt? >> no. but it caught my attention. >> did you get to keep it? >> souvenir? >> yes, i did. >> chad, let me ask you, this european satellite, it is supposed to be dropping from the skies in a couple weeks. right? so what do we know. >> could be as early as sunday. >> as early as sunday? >> yeah, the irony is this satellite was put up to find the earth's gravitation, and now it's going to be drug to the ground by the gravitation itself. there's so much space junk up there, though. this is going to be a weekly, monthly occurrence that we talk
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about these things where satellites are coming down. >> lotti should be playing the lottery. >> i'll play with her. i'll split a powerball ticket with her. look at the stuff in the sky. not all of this is junk. many of these are actually operating satellites, but eventually, all of this is going to have to come to the ground because every satellite at some point is going to run out of fuel, come closer and closer to the ground, and eventually, they're all going to fall away. we had that up, but that went away. we were going to show you where it was. shaun, can you get that back? sometimes it goes back to where we think we don't want it to be. this is what it looks like. kind of high-tech. as you would expect because it is a satellite. >> that's what's falling? >> that is what is going to fall. there will be one piece, they believe, that will bow about 200 pounds when it finally hits the ground. so that's going to be part of the problem, is that a 200-pound piece of anything hitting the ground could put a dent in your house. but the likelihood of it hitting the water is much higher because
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there's much more water on earth than there is land, and there are very few people who have been close to what lotti has gone through, brooke. >> thank you. lotti, you, me, powerball, i'm in. thank you so much for calling in. how rare for that to happen to her. coming up here, more fallout in the miami dolphins bullying scandal. new questions on what dolphins coaches knew about the apparent victim in the case, jonathan martin, left the team, and some teammates are stepping forward to rally behind the accused, richie incognito. we'll talk about that. and from average joe to mayor elect. you heard about this? we'll be talking to one stay-at-home dad who has just won his town's mayoral election, and his name wasn't even on the ballot. i'm angela, and i didn't think i could quit smoking but chantix helped me do it. i told my doctor i think i'm... i'm ready.
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ryan tannahill. >> i think if you would have asked john martin a week before who his best friend on the team was, he would have said richie incognito. the first guy to stand up for jonathan when anything went down on the field, any kind of tussle, richie was the first guy there. >> pro football talk reports that martin's agent complained before martin left the team to the dolphins general manager about how richie incognito had treated martin. and this website reports that ireland's solution was for martin to quote/unquote punch incognito. and there's more. there are reports that after martin left the team, he checked into a hospital to be treated for emotional distress. and coach joe philbin visited him at the hospital. i want to bring in former pro player joe ermine who spent 13 years in the nfl, mostly with the baltimore colts. welcome, sir. nice to see you. let me begin with the voice mails, the let of death, the
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texts, the incognito videos coming out of him in a bar, you know, being this big rough and tough guy. you just heard the sound bite. how are these miami players now coming out and supporting this guy, incognito? >> well, i think it's very conflicted, very confused there. you know, i'll say this. i have been in and around and nfl for 40 years. i do an awful lot of workshops in the nfl. every tieam has to have a playe conduct session. the thing that moves most players off the sports page to the criminal page has to do with false concepts of masculinity. i think embedded in this -- >> how do you mean? >> about what does it mean to be a man. i think you have a culture here, and it's very much a microcosm of the american culture, but masculinity is built on dominance, power, and control. when you have someone that doesn't fit that construct that has their own individuality, i
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think that often creates a lot of tension in the midst of that. so it seems to me, you know, the incognito kid was kind of keeping with the culture, and martin didn't quite fit that context, and therefore, you had threats and whatever was done. i do know this, the nfl will investigate. and the nfl and the nfl p.a. won't tolerate this. >> interesting you bring that point up. i was talking to someone yesterday, and it brings up thoughts of what it does mean to be a man, specifically in this professional football culture. when you hear of these reports of what the general manager said to this agent of martin's, to just punch him. or there were reports that the coaches were telling martin to toughen up. i mean, this is not a normal workplace, joe. >> well, it's not, but somehow we got this idea that to be kind, compassionate, empathic is exclusive to being tough, aggressive, and winning.
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that martin kid was a terrific football player and just didn't have the manifest what other people thought he needed to project in order to play on the field. >> let me quote you because you say this, you say what about the bystanders who knee, watch, and did anything? if this was happen, they all knew. seems there's a lack of courage and clarity by many on the team. you have been around pro football for decades. this isn't just players. this is coaches, possibly general managers. is this a miami problem, joe, or a league problem? >> i think it's an american problem. i think it's part of the entire culture. it's played out wherever you have hypermasculinity, you have homophobia, all kinds of gender violence, misogyny, and bullying and hazing. when men don't understand themselves, when their hearts are disconnected from their heads, which is what most of masculinity tries to do with young boys, you have this lack of empathy.
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a lack of empathy -- >> it's the most popular sport in america. doesn't seem to matter for fans, does it? >> no, i think fans project it, but i think for many fans, it projects what a man is supposed to be like. what we have to do is dismantle that. i think how you perceive people dictates how you treat them. that man was considered outside of the cultural box, called all kinds of names to try to get him to climb back into that box. as an individual, it appears to me he stood up for his own authenticity, as a man and as a player, and that was not well received. >> joe, great perspective today. thank you so much. in fukushima, japan, engineers announced they will begin removing 1500 spent fuel rods from one of the reactors at that crippled nuclear power plant. two years ago, that plant was severely damaged by that huge earthquake and snatsunami.
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today, he is just plain joe. come next week, they will be calling him, his honor, mayor of marvin, nort carolina. population 5500, has just elected a guy named joe pollino. a stay-at-home dad whose name wasn't even on the ballot. they seem to like him. he got more than 90% of the sloet even though he has never held office. here he is, joe pollino.
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>> certainly not prepared. this is the first time for me ever dipping my toe in the political world. it's exciting. again, still humbling. >> mayor elect joe pollino on the phone with me. mr. mayor elect, congratulations. you with me? >> thank you very much, brooke. thanks for having me on. >> you're welcome. you got 557 votes out of 596 cast. that doesn't sound like an accident. did you campaign as a write-in? how did you pull this off? >> i did. i did campaign as a write-in. initially, i was, you know, running for council, for the village. and when both mayors dropped out, i chose to run as a write-in candidate. so there was some effort put before to get as a write-in. it was very, very exciting that so many people turned out. >> joe, you, as i mentioned, you're a stay-at-home dad.
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your kids are 6, 7, and 12 years of age. how do you manage this now, becoming mayor? >> well, you know, i mean, kids are great. and having a 12-year-old certainly helps. lauren is a big help with danielle and taylor. danielle is 8 and taylor is 6. so she's a big help, and obviously, my wife is there, too. it's a busy household, and like anybody else's. and you know, it's just -- i thought, i did a lot of local volunteering with our church. i teach faith formation as well as a soccer coach at the ymca. i thought this was a way to give back to our community. i kind of decided to get involved on a local level. >> so this is going to be a big family pollino effort to be able to pull this off at home and have you be mayor of this village. let me ask you this because obviously, looking at the map, your town straddled the border of north and south carolina. you're about an hour south of charlotte.
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you're quoted by the union county weekly as saying, let me quote you, i'm not sure commercial development in marvin is necessary. we should be more concerned with preserving what we have than building more stores and creating more traffic issues. is this a winning message there in the ex-burbs of charlotte? >> i think so. i think there's a lot of reasons many people move down to our area, is to get out of the, you know, the hustle bustle city life. if you go one way a couple miles, you're into the city. if you go another way a couple miles, you're into a nice rural community with open spaces and places for horses, for bike riding, all those things. the walmarts and all those places are quite frankly close enough to us, and i would like to see it -- you know, there is still build-out left. we're about 80% built out, but i would prefer more of a boutique-ish type commercial standing going forward. >> stay at home dad turned mayor elect, joe pollino.
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yes, yasser arafat may have been poiseted. yes, a poison used in past assassinations was found in his body, and clothing. but no, this case for murder is not open and shut. so says his team of scientists, independent scientists who examined arafat's belongings and his body which was exhumed last november, some eight years after he died. at a news conference this morn, they said they could not reach a conclusion, in part because the samples they tested were small and decomposing. let me take you back because it
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was 1994 when arafat died. he was 75 years of age. he hadn't had previous health problems. at the time, think about this, he was the president of the palestinian authority, he was still a marked man, as he had been for much of his fascinating life. take a look at this, video we pulled from 1990, the head of the plo on the move with cnn's jim clancy. >> at arafat's invitation, we joined him aboard his private charter jet for an exclusive and unprecedented look add how he works and lives within a bullet proof blanket of security. >> it's not an easy life to live every night in a different place and in different beds. >> and no one knows where arafat will be tonight. when we lifted off the rain-soaked runway, only one man knew where the flight would take us. >> me, me only. in this airplane, even my colleagues don't know where we
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are going to. >> out of view in the cargo holds are weapons caches. machine guns, rockets, designed to thwart any attempt to kill or capture the head of the plo. >> incredible. that was 1990. the voice of jim clancy on arafat's private plane somewhere above north africa. despite today's inconclusive finding on his death. many supporters say it confirmed their view he was poisoned, quite possibly by the israelis. an israeli foreign ministry spokesman said, and i'm quoting, utter nonsense. >> pope francis embraces a disfigured man and hearts melt around the world. there's the man, nesting his head in the pope's chest. he suffers from this painful genetic disorder that can cause thousands of tumors all over the face, all over the body. the catholic news agency reports the pope took the man's face in
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his hands, kissed him, and blessed him. the heartwarming embrace happened yesterday in st. peter's square. a football coach hit with a debilitating disease, his wife sees his struggles with routine tasks and comes up with a line of clothing to help those with limited mobility. dr. sanjay gupta has her story in today's human factor. >> red, 18, go. >> right there, good job. good job right there. >> for more than three decades now, don horton' life has been mostly football. >> vision one, vision two. three. also a high school coach, all very rewarding experiences. >> in 2006, don became one of the 60,000 americans diagnosed every year with parkinson's disease. perhaps the worst day came in 2009. that's when don found himself unable to button his own shirt. russell wilson, who is now a quarterback with the seattle seahawks helped don with his
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buttons, so their team could get back on the road. >> it's a humbling experience to be helped. you can see it there, you've done it before, and seemed so easy for everybody else to do. >> there were so many challenges he was going throughout that i couldn't help with, but this was one change i thought i could do. >> calling on her own experience as a children's clothing designer, don's wife mara got to work, creating a line of magnetic clothing, free of buttons and zippers, that would help her husband and others regain their independence. >> so it's as simple as lining it up. >> as it grew, the e-mails she got were incredible. helping so many people across the nation. >> the magna ready magnets are strong enough to keep the shirt clos closed, but not so strong the shirts are difficult to open. >> and you're dressed. >> dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting.
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>> thank you. coming up, another week, another round of violence across this country. usually the conversation, the debate turns toward gun control. not this time. we're exposing america's mental health crisis. the problem no one seems to want to talk about. full hour special report with doctors, celebrities, families, who are on the edge. stay right here. this is cnn.
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another week, more violence in america. and for some reason, the conversation always turns to guns. but today, we're tackling the topic that is most common in these incidents, mental health. i'm brooke baldwin. a cnn special report starts right now. inside a broken mind, what causes someone on the edge to snap? plus, after newtown, she wrote a blog post entitled "i am adam lanza's mother." you'll hear from her live. >> and is the country overprescribed and misdiagnosed? the answer will surprise you. thank you so much for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin. over the next hour, we will talk about a topic that seems to be taboo in this country.
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mental health. did you knethat nearly 50% of americans, 50%, will suffer from some kind of mental illness in their lifetime? why is there such a stigma? is the conversation too tough to hear. you'll hear from doctors, you'll hear from celebrities. you will hear from families who are impacted each and every day by this. tweet me your questions at brooke b.cnn. we'll get to them in the next hour. don lemon reports on the new cases of violence leaving us asking, could they have been stopped? >> monday night, police and s.w.a.t. teams swarm a mall in new jersey. hundreds of frightened people hide while a gunman is on the loose. a scene all too familiar in this country. just change the details and locations, and it could be last week at los angeles airport or last july in aurora, colorado. or two years ago in arizona. gunmen either threatening to or
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executed a rampage. in new jersey, the shooting e ended with 20-year-old richard schopp killing himself. in l.a.x., paul ciancia was shot in the face by authorities, but not before shooting and killing one tsa agent. then aaron alexis. on september 16th, he succeeded in committing mass murder, gunning down 12 people at the washington navy yard before he also was shot and killed. >> there is a common thread in those particular ones. it show happens, because i think they were examples of what is called flippantly suicide by cop. >> dr. michael stone, a professor of clinical psychiatry at columbia university has been studying mass killings for 30 years. >> aaron alexis in the washington navy yard in washington, pretty much expected, i would imagine, to be killed when he killed all those people. >> leading up to the shooting, alexis was hearing voices, but
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experts say people suffering from extreme mental illness are more often a danger to themselves. >> the most likely victim of violence associated with mental illness is the person themselves. people with schizophrenia and bipolar commit suicide at a rate three or four times the general population. >> in fact, according to a 2012 investigation done by mother jones, only 12% of mass murders since 1980 were committed by people with severe mental illness. >> people that use the word mental illness for anyone that has some significant problems or disgruntled workers or are a bit paranoid or have personality disorders or are loaners, that to me, is unfair and too loose a definition. >> it's a definition, however, fitting of many who have committed these acts, almost all of whom are men. >> well, mass murder is a guy thing. in my study, 97% to 98% are men.
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it's a guy thing. we're wired with testosterone and et cetera, to be the defenders of the group. >> but with each new shooting, we ask the question why. >> certainly, what we have seen is a growing number of mass homicides. and in mass homicides, mental illness is overrepresented as a factor. i believe we've had 12 so far this year. so we have ant increase in mass killings. we have a decrease in hospital beds for people who are most at risk to commit those killings. >> while no one can give a definitive answer -- >> we can't predict who is going to be violent. there is a vast amount of public ignorance about what might be red flags. how often do you see a story where there's one of these tragedies and people come out of the woodwork? there are youtube videos, and
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it's obvious this person was struggling. and nobody stepped in. >> and just as crucial experts say, curtailing their access to weapons. >> the problem with mass shootings is people who have suffered from a psychotic or depressive mental illness and have not been spotted and have laid their hands too easily at the peak of their symptoms on weapons. >> don lemon, cnn, new york. >> and here we go. we have experts on this topic from coast to coast joining us live right now. dr. drew pinsky from our sister network, hln. psychiatrist and author dr. gale salts. dr. jeffrey lieberman at columbia university, and doris fuller, executive director of the treatment advocacy center, a nonprofit focused on improving policy to help people with severe mental illness. all of you, huge, huge thanks
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for being with me over the next hour. dr. drew, let me begin with you. we heard in don's piece somebody saying this is a guy thing. i have covered too many of these. it seems to me it is a young male trend. why? >> it is a young male thing, as he said. males are wired with testosterone and aggression. the other thing is mental illness does tend to manifest in the 18 to 25-year-old window. i suspect that's what's going on here. we have the perfect storm of male aggression meeting the onset of mental illness that goes undiagnosed or untreated or people around the person are in denial or physicians are unable to do their job, say, of treating that person or requiring them to get help or there's limited access to insurance or limited access to hospital beds. all these things are coming together now in sort of a perfect storm. >> gale, what do you think? young men, why? >> young men, the truth is actually that most of these young men aren't seriously mentally ill. one factor, however, is
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substance use and abuse. that greatly increases the odds of somebody committing a violent act. and men are more likely, actually, to struggle than women with substance use and abuse. and i think that also men have less access to emotional support when something is going wrong. they're not expected to be struggling and talk about it, culturally speaking in the same way that, say, girls of that age are sort of permitted to. i think they often become isolated and then they become angry, and it's sort of this angry disenfranchised and often slightly paranoid person, particularly if you use substance use and abuse on top of that, then you really increase the risk. >> dr. lieberman, i'm watching you shake your head. why? >> first, i think the thing to note is as doris fuller said, with mass killings of this sort, although the mentally ill as a group do not account for a substantial proportion of violence in the general
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population, number of crimes, they are overrepresented in terms of the senseless mass killings. and they do tend to be predominantly younger males. now, the one thing that they have in common and one of the things that probably makes males more prone than females to to this is because none of the people is in treatment. they either have gone untreated, they have fallen between the cracks, been neglected, as doris mentioned, or if they were in treatment, inadequately or they dropped out. the reason it's males is males are more resistance to the idea of being subortinated by authority to take an assault on their manhood and integrity. but the reality is most of these crimes, if not all of them, are preventable if adequate treatment had been provided. >> i want to come back to you, dr. lieberman, with this, because there is definitely ignorance. i don't want to just say people with mental illness, this absolutely leads to violence
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because it does not, but in talking to people who have loved ones, husbands, wives, children, it's a slow descent. when you're so close to someone, you oftentimes don't see the signs to know to ask for help. >> well, i think people do see the signs, except they don't know quite how to interpret them and how to understand what they mean. even if they think, there must be something wrong with the person, we should try to get them help, they're not sure where to go and what to do. if you think someone is having problems with their mood, with their mental functions, with their behavior, and if -- particularly if they're exacerbating it by substance abuse, you think, who do i go to? my primary care doctor, my priest, a psychologist, a soelg worker, and do my benefits cover this? how do i get access? there's really a labyrinth to try to navigate to get to care instead of having it immediately available to them. >> doris, let me go to you.
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we heard from gale. i want to hear from you, doris, because i want to stay on the signs. a lot of people are watching and a lot of people know folks who they have seen what maybe could be signs but they're not quite sure. what should people be looking for? >> well, you know, first of all, we've got to remember mental illness is a disease. it's a treatable disease. it's something we can all learn about. in these young men that we're talking about and these cases all involve men at that key age, usually the onset of symptoms prodromal symptoms, the early signs, took place a long time before. it's sort of a spectrum. and the early symptoms are hard for parents to figure out because, is this mental illness or is it just a squirrely seventh grader? >> acting out. >> yes, it can be confusing. but when we get to most of these cases, where there is a terrible
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tragedy or a tragedy that's terrible but doesn't make headlines, oftentimes the families will say, i sought treatment for years and nobody would help. they wouldn't -- the medical providers, especially when we get to adults, you hit 18, the parent is out of the loop. they go to the medical provider. the medical provider won't talk to them. they go to the school, the school won't talk to them. they start looking for help. they start saying, i'm seeing these things, and they get an answer that depending on what state they live in, oh, well, he hasn't hurt anyone yet. we can't help you. this is a b problem. >> i'm glad you bring up the point. we're going to talk live. stand by. we're going to talk live with a woman, this is a mother, whose blog post sparked a national conversation following the tragedy in newtown. this blog post was entitled "i am adam lanza's mother" and she
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shooting in newtown, connecticut. and this mother describes a particularly disturbing and harrowing ride to school with her own child. then she tells us why she's sharing her own story. she said i am adam lanza's mother. i am dylan klebold and eric harris' mother, i am james holmes's mother, i had jared loughner's mother, and these boys and their mothers need help. in the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it is easy to talk about guns, but it's time to talk about mental illness. that's what we're doing today. liza long joins me from boise, idaho. and dr. drew joins us as well. liza, so nice to have you on. what an incredible piece, so open you were in this. what is it like to have a child where, you know, day to day, you write, he terrifies you? >> well, it's pretty much what i
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wrote, to be honest. you feel like you have no good options as a parent. i think any parent whosel's had child with a disability of any kind knows the frustrations and the hopes and dreams you have for your child. when you can't find answers anywhere, when you're actively seeking help for your child, and everywhere you turn, you can't get solutions, it's a really frightening thing. >> you have other children as wem. you talk about that, and an incident with a knife in this particular piece. how is your son doing since you wrote this? >> you know, honestly, brooke, it's been kind of an amazing journey for us. in the wake of the blog post, several health care professionals reached out to me. during the ensuing months, my son did have another crisis. he was back in the hospital for a while, and during that hospitalization, she was diagnosed with juvenile bipolar disorder. just having that diagnosis finally has opened so many doors for him. i'm really happy to say when i
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wrote the blog post, i was frustrated and helpless. now that we have a diagnosis, therapies that work, medications that work, it's like a night and day difference in my life. i want to offer that message of hope as we talk about being able to intervene in young people's lives and children's lives. this is the difference that we can make for families, for communities, and our societies. getting this children help. >> i love the hope in your voice and the optimism. dr. drew, though, many parents don't feel liza's same hope. you know, she found hope because of this diagnosis. what options do parents have when they have a child like she does? >> there are -- well, it's not so much there are options, it's getting to proper care, as liza's story highlights. i'm wondering what happened with liza that initially she was having such frustration. once he's hospitalized, he's in good hands, there is treatment. there are treatments for this, but the problem i run into is
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parents don't want to acknowledge or accept there is mental illness, don't want the medications and want the problems above the neck somehow treated different than the problems below the neck. if we have insurance to help them gain access and hospital beds where there's sufficient medical care available, which is really the problem, those two things, but i'm wondering what liza's problems were? >> go ahead, what were they? >> you have hit the nail right on the head. it's really -- it comes down to stigma. and i have learned there are two kinds of stigma, the self-stigma we feel as parents because as a society, what we have seen is that we like to blame parents for their children's mental illness. we would never blame the parent of a child with cancer for that child's cancer. we would certainly never blame the child for having cancer, but that what we do to parents and families with mental illness. i blogged anonymously. that was really a coming-out experience for me nationwide.
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i never expected that, but to my own community. very few of my friends, my coworkers, the people in my life, knew the struggles that my family had faced for years. and so you're exactly right. i believe that until we can talk about this issue, until we can stop the stigma that attaches to diseases from here -- >> how? we're sitting here and talking about it? >> like this. >> we're sitting here and talking about it, and this is just the beginning, but the stigma is very real, it is discriminatory. we're uneducated. >> there's another piece. >> what is that? >> leeza, there's another piece, and liza is going to deal with this when her child becomes an adult. when he doesn't want to take his medication, when he doesn't want to follow up with a doctor, he's not obliged today. and parents have no right unless they get a conservatorship. if you look at the mass killers, most were seeing a psychiatrist and bailed out of care or they couldn't do the care they needed to do because the lights of the
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the shame associated with mental illness. this is a clip from his campaign called no kidding, me to. >> there's no stigma or discrimination against the heart, kidney, or gallbladder. >> yesterday, depression was kept in the dark. >> and bipolar disorder was your best friend's mother's problem. >> but the tide is turning. >> we're stopping the stigma. >> we're coming out. >> we're trying to make those with mental dis-ease cool and trendy. >> no kidding? >> me too. >> it's time we give the all-american brain some peace of mind. >> joining me now live from new york is joe pantoliano. nice to see you, sir. welcome. >> thank you. >> looking at your credits, you're this crazy successful actor, yet you, joe, struggled with what you eventually realized was clinical depression
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or as you call it brain dis-ease. can you sdrien that moment for me? >> i was on the brink of disaster. i achieved anything i ever wanted in life through my acting. and somehow, there was a feeling inside of emptiness and despair that i thought that my success and all of the things i had accumulated would make that go away. when it didn't go away, i was lost and confused. and i couldn't understand why. through the education and re-educating myself, i came to understand how i was embracing this familiar misery. mental disease is, you know, it's genetic, but it's also a by-product of your environment. and i believe we are all sick. i think these mental health organizations that are fighting stigma are in fact creating
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stigma. >> how? >> in that they say please help our poor, unfortunate relatives. please help my son. please help my sister. it implies that, well, i don't have the disease, but everyone else does. and it's a fact that everyone has this disease. >> how do we flip the script? how do we change that? >> let me tell you. you create a curriculum starting in gind erkindergarten that tea children an emotional hygiene like you would with physical hygiene. a kid gets hair lice and it's cool. why isn't he freaked out, anxious? feel like he's an outcast? because socially, it's been accepted. mental dis-ease and the discussion of emotional intimacy, talking about how you feel so there's no shame, what all of these boys have in common is that they were isolated, outcasts, and alone.
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and instead of embracing these kids by giving them the help, if they knew what i know is that you're not alone. and that you can get better. that help is available, that the treatment is available. >> let me jump in. >> that's the only way that we're going to be able to kind of conquer this. >> when you talk about, you know, starting this as early as kindergarten, talk to the moms and dads out there who have kids. how should a conversation like that go? >> please, i can't tell you how that conversation goes. i'm just saying that -- >> if you're saying it should happen that early, i'm just asking. >> because the parents and the grandparents teach the kids that mental illness is a bad thing. you know, it's bigoted against. it's -- the way that i think -- what we're talking about is emotional intimacy.
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to make the kids know that it's cool to be out there. that that's why i have all of these actors, including, if you look at our website and see all of the creative minds that have come together to say it's cool to be out there. we all have these moments of despair. and that those moments are just like the common flu. but you've got to teach the kids first before the parents get in and muck it up. the kids have to know that it's okay. the kids need to know that 85% of them will be -- have to deal with a mental uneasiness in the course of their lifetime. mental illness is so permanent, you know, it has this permanent gauze over it. and we need to change the structure of it. we need to stop waiting for the accidents to happen before we talk about it. >> right, right. we're talking about it today. and you talk about prevention. you mention this actors.
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we played a clip from silver linings playbook. i don't know if you have seen the film. >> i have seen it, i embraced it. a brilliant understanding because if you look at the subtext of that movie, these kids had nothing. they had no goals. they were isolated. everybody around them was crazier than they were. >> do you think there should be more of that in hollywood? >> oh, yeah. i mean, hollywood is embracing this issue. we've got to start now because killing -- kids killing each other is going to be a daily occurrence. >> let's hope not. let's hope not. >> 25 gis kill themselves every day now. every day. it's been happening for nine years. and so much despair out there that people have just given up. guys like that want to be remembered. >> it's a huge issue. 22 every day, according to the department of veterans affairs. we'll talk to a former
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congressman who is going to discuss how that has topantolia sharing your story and talking about how this has to happen early with kids. >> thank you, and see the documentary, "no kidding, me too." >> thank you. >> how does obama care deal with mental illness? there are some new rules you might not know about. plus, i'll be speaking with former congressman patrick kennedy. he's a son of late senator ted kennedy. the nephew of john f. kennedy. he has fought hard to give mental health treatment equal footing with other health care. we'll be right back. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare.
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and thrive. under obama care, people young and old who purchase their own health insurance will now have new access to mental health treatments. some experts are hoping, we have been talking about the stigma attached to this. they're hoping the stigma for those seeking help for mental problems will change. so elizabeth cohen is here in studio with me to talk about something that is so, so important, because people just don't understand what's covered, what's not. obama care, what is covered pre and post? >> pre-obama care, as we speak right now, about 1 in 5 individual policies. so policies people buy on their own. about 1 in 5 don't cover mental health services, so they just don't cover it. about 1 in 3 don't cover substance abuse. if you need those services, you're out of luck. you have a policy, you're paying
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a premium, but your policy doesn't cover it. under obama care, they cover mental health services. by definition, it has to have it. >> i hear from people on twitter, i hear the frustration and see the frustration at the lack of coverage. with obama care, with more people needing help, seeking help, with the coverage, do you think that will increase those saying yes, help me? >> it very much could. in many ways, that's a great thing, right. we want these people to get help. let's say, you know, you have people who have been wanting help and not getting that help. yes, it will increase it, and those people, they need it, right? on the other hand, it is interesting to know that in some communities, it is not okay to seek help for mental health problems. even though their insurance will now cover it, it's still not okay. it's somehow seen as being weak. >> thus the stigma. >> right, thus the stigma. it might not be as big of a surge as we think it's going to be. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you. we'll watch for that in the coming months.
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meantime, a turning point in mental health care came 50 years ago when john f. kennedy signed the community mental health act. the goal was to stop locking people up in institutions. send them home. build centers to treat them, but the money wasn't there to follow through. people were released. many went to places where people couldn't treat them. patrick kennedy works to build on that 1963 law. he joins me from capitol hill. wonderful to have you on. >> thanks, brooke. good to be with you. >> you got it. what is it like to be a former member of congress and a member of one of america's most powerful families, yet your life, it's personal for you, it's ruled by this illness to some degree. >> i am one of those people who suffer from a brain illness. i have severe mood swings, really been defined as bipolar,
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too, but we have a long ways to go in terms of diagnoses. and the research into the brain is a research area that should be a national priority. because it really encompasses all of us as americans, whether your illness is addiction or your illness is autism or your illness is alzheimer's or any of the other illnesses of the brain. we're all in this together. we need to do this together. now, the same is true with not only research but providing mental health care, because the things that we all need, whether it's developmental disability, a substance abuse disorder or a mental illness, we all need the kind of access to primary care and other health care services. we also need the kind of supportive services that keep us healthy. so we have a historic opportunity with health care reform and with the mental health parody, the act i was proud to act along with jim ram stead of minnesota, and my dad wrote with pete demuninchy.
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we have to implement this new law because it's going to be good for all other health conditions to treat the brain as a health issue. >> laws are one thing, congressman, but you know very well what has been pervasive in this conversation today is the issue of stigma. saying yes, i need help. you yourself have been quoted as saying these aren't just medical issues. these are civil rights issues. what needs to happen in our society to stop this ignorance, this discrimination. >> like you pointed out, this is kind of a civil rights place. we need to get the law in place. we can outlaw discremination, but you can't outlaw bigotry in people's hearts. that's going to be a tougher challenge. your earlier conversation with your medical editor clearly identified even two thirds with insurance don't avail themselves of it for a mental health condition because of the shame
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associated with seeking mental health, quote/unquote, quer. i love joe's earlier comments that it hot ought to be about the brain. that's what we're talking about, the brain, an organ in the body. now under law, you have to treat the organ of the brain like every other organ in the body. i have asthma in addition to being somebody in recovery from addition. they don't wait until i have an asthma attack. they give me prophylactic treatment. i try to make sure i'm not in situations where i don't exacerbate my asthma. but if i have ans ma attack, it gelt gets treated. with my mental illness and addiction, that's not the case. that's no longer allowable under the law. the key thing for people to understand, these illnesses, which are also chronic illnesses, they need to be treated like diabetes is treated like a chronic illness.
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we don't wait until someone has to have their legs amputated from their diabetic condition. we treat it before it happens, hopefully. >> it's this invisible thing. >> in mental illness, we wait until it's cataclysmic until we treat it. that's the real crisis of suicide and the other examples in mental illness. in cancer, you would not wait until someone had stage four cancer until you treat it. in mental illness, we wait for the equivalent of stage four before we treat you. >> it is a crisis. we need to talk solutions. congressman patrick kennedy, thank you so much. we appreciate you joining me and sharing your personal story. all hour, we have been talking about the problems, the issues, the crises, the stigmas presented by mental illness. my panel will join me once again. stay right here.
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let's bring back our panel of experts. dr. drew pinsky from our sister
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network hln. gale saltz, and jeffrey lieberman and doris fuller. so solutions. dr. drew, what do we do from here? >> i wish there was some magic wand, brooke, we could wave. but one of the things i have an issue with is physicians being able to mandate care for patients that really need it. i would say we need to have some sort of law to help physicians, maybe two orthree opinions or something, when a patient really needs care, that you can make the patient gets the care. even if they don't want it, if it's to their own good and the good of the community. >> doris, are we overdiagnosing, overprescribing? >> those are two different questions. let me come at this through a back door, brooke. we're talking about stigma. everybody is concerned about stigma. stigma is a terrible burden for people living with mental illness. the fact of the matter is the leading reason for stigma is
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violence. how many people with mental illness commit violent acts? not very many. so we're looking at a fraction of the population with mental illness who commit these acts that make headlines that create the impression that people with mental illness are dangerous. so what's the solution? well, part of the solution is we've got to get to the root. what's the root? we've got to get people into treatment. how do we get people into treatment? well, drew is right. i mean, we have a problem that there are -- the people who are most ill, who are living in an alternate reality, who are most likely to do something dangerous, often don't think they're sick, so they're not going to their doctor and saying sign me up for treatment. we have laws in this country to make use of mandatory treatment for people who need it the most. but there's a lot of discomfort
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about using those laws, and dha are probably underused. >> dr. lieberman, what concerns you the most here? >> well, first, brooke, let me congratulate you and cnn for doing this program. there's far too little programs or coverage in the media in a responsible and thorough way like you have done in this program. i actually, despite the rash of crimes and the concern, feel quite optimistic. this is a tractable problem. we simply need to mobilize the social and political will. the first thing is, and now that we have the affordable care act in place, and the prospect of mental health parody enforced and applieapplied, the first th we need comprehensive quality care mental health services in place. this is feasible because we've got the methods, the knowledge to do so. we just have to make them available. what joey pants was saying, and he didn't make it quite clear, is we need a public health approach to mental health, not
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just public health approach for diabetes screens, for hypertension screenings. the second thing is we need adequate funding for research, for understanding how the brain underpinned behavior and mental function. could you imagine what would happen to stigma if we could say categorically accurately that we had a diagnostic test for depression, for bipolar disorder, for schizophrenia? i can show you on an x-ray, on a blood test, that would diminish the stigma, and the third thing is the media. it's the biggest, most valuable means to educate the public. one thing that happened is senator gordon smith, a senator from oregon, whose son tragically died of suicide, has been appointed as president of the national association of broadcast broadcasters. i hope he will introduce ways to encourage the media to educate the
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>> we are trying to do our part today, doc, by doing this for this entire hour. i appreciate you pointing that out. with this education, with the hopeful awareness, with the changes in the laws, et cetera, do you think this society more and more is beginning to see the signs, see the red flags? >> i do think that we have been better able to educate people and i think there are more people, but there are still many people who don't and who still sort of hold older ideas, the stigma ideas that this is sort of a moral weakness and you should be able to get yourself out of it, so there's still education to be done, absolutely. i think that would help and i also think actually that if we could better equip our first responders who are often the people that are first on the scene to meet somebody who is psychotic and perhaps being disruptive as for instance in the case of the naval yard
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shooter, the police came and if they were, a, educated about when someone is psychotic and b, that that is a psychiatric emergency. that is someone that needs to be taken to an emergency room and evaluated immediately, and enter the system, then at least these few people who are seriously ill and potentially violent might be brought into the system because it's really the first responders who sadly might be the ones that first see them. so i think that is another route. >> a heart-felt thank you to each and every one of you for the discussion, the healthy discussion and the solutions. i appreciate it. when we come back, i want to play you something from rick warren, who lost his son to mental illness, committed suicide. what he says about this battle in his own words. mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971. afghanistan in 2009. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it's earned,
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