tv Piers Morgan Live CNN November 13, 2013 12:00am-1:01am PST
this is piers morgan live. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. time is running out to save millions of victims in the philippines. also, a man who knows all about out of control behavior. and the films tell the story of america. now live from tacloban. anderson, thank you. incredibly powerful reporting there. you've obviously covered some of the worst natural disasters from haiti to katrina and others.
how does this compare right there on the ground in tacloban to what you've covered before? >> reporter: it's, the death toll is smaller. we don't know the official death toll. nobody really knows because there is no actual search for those who have died. there's no accounting for those who have died at this point. in haiti, you had hundreds of thousands of people who died in port-au-prince alone. but in terms of actual devastation, this entire area is just gone. the houses that were here are largely gone. and people have nowhere to go. there isn't electricity. there isn't food. there isn't water. it's not as if there's neighbors that they can fall back on. so it's always hard to compare one to another. certainly, for the people here, it's the worst thing that's ever happened to them and the worst thing that ever will happen to them.
there are families, there are mothers having to sleep neared bodies of their dead children, having to smell their dead children, and this is day five. it's been going on now for five days that their child has been laying near them, that they have been smelling their child while they search for their other children who are still missing. and they're searching all by themselves or they're searching with the help of just a few relatives. but many of those relatives are searching for other relatives who are missing. so there's not really a concerted, organized, the organization level is not something we've seen. and on day five in haiti, we saw a greater impact of outside groups who had been able to come in. we're just starting in the last couple hours to see little bit of changes here at the airport here in tacloban. the u.s. military is very akeen, very confident they're going to get this airport up and running on a 24 hour basis, hopefully, that will make a difference in getting splays in here.
but then the challenge is getting them out to the areas that need it the most. >> we're getting a number of cnn eye reporters telling us that they fear there is a rising sense of anarchy among sections of the population. and the help that they desperately need is not arriving in time. do you sense that? >> reporter: well, i'm here with paul hancocks who has been here longer than i have. is there a fear of anarchy or looting? i mean, what, what i see, really, based on your reporting was people in desperate straits taking what they can. >> looting has certain connotations. if you have no food and water for your family, you're going to try to steal that food and water, so this is out of desperation in many cases. you can see hundreds of people behind me trying to get on a plane, trying to get out of here. they want to leave because of security concerns.
if you have no food and water for your family, you're going to try to steal that food and water, so this is out of desperation in many cases. you can see hundreds of people behind me trying to get on a plane, trying to get out of here. they want to leave because of security concerns. one lady just had twins three weeks ago. and she was worried because the house next to her had just been ransacked. she was concerned that she might be next and her children might be injured. and one lady said to me, i don't know if i'm going to survive this, because she hasn't had food and water. so to survive the typhoon, the storm surge and then to survive the aftermath. >> i was just at the makeshift clinic here. i talked to a doctor an hour ago who said they don't have enough food and water at that clinic. that clinic is the only hospital in this entire area that is actually seeing patients.
the patients are saying the main hospitals have no electricity, have no supplies and aren't admitting more patients. so if that clinic underneath that tower right there behind us doesn't have enough food and water for the people coming there, what does that tell you about everybody else? you would think that would be a top priority to be stocked with food and water. >> right, and you hinted earlier in haiti, it was obviously a much more focused area that was hit. and therefore the international relief that came in was able to target that very directly. how much more complicated in the rescue mission in the philippines given that there are over 2,000 small islands which are inhabited there, many of which have been hit in some way by the typhoon. it must make it much more complicated that it's so spread out like that. >> no doubt about that. and the weather has not been cooperative.
no doubt about that. and the road systems in the philippines have not been invested in over the years, due to years of corruption, due to years of the government siphoning money off of projects like that for decades of that frankly going back a long time. so there are big infrastructure problems here that are all playing a part in this, but i'm not even talking about, you know, areas outlying. we're talking about tacloban, a few blocks from here, people not having water, not having access to food, not having access to shelter. god only knows what's happening in small villages along the coast where people can't get to. >> that's the thing. this road into tacloban city has been open since sunday, we're now wednesday. and there's no supplies getting to that area. there's at least 100 kilometers more of area that has exactly the same damage as this. >> this is the first time the philippine military and
authorities are able to clean up the airport area, which is a great improvement. that's a great thing. but not to take away from what they're doing, but it is day five, and, you know, it's frustrating for people who have been sitting at this airport for five days trying to figure out why wasn't that done on day two or day three or day four. >> it's obviously a very urgent and pressing situation there. now i want to turn to anna coren in cebu. what are you seeing there? >> reporter: this is very much the staging ground of the disaster relief operation. the c-130 hercules are flying out of here. we joined one of those military cargo planes yesterday and traveled to a town in the eastern province. it was the first town to be hit by super typhoon haiyan, as we flew over, the place was devastated. every single building was
flattened. we were on a muddy runway for all of 20 minutes to deliver that aid. every single palm tree around that huge, huge trees just flattened. you know, snapped like twigs. it really gives you an idea of the force of this storm. there were many, many locals that raced to that airfield while we there on the ground delivering that aid. this is a township of 50,000 people. and yet, everyone is now virtually homeless. there was splice, perhaps, for several 00 families that might last a couple of days. the people there were saying they desperately need food. they desperately need fresh water. no medical supplies have come in. and as far as shelter goes, they're scavenging and salvaging what they have from the debris from their homes.
you know, we had torrential rain here last night, piers that only adds to the misery that these people are going through. >> rescuers are facing huge challenges tonight. in this country, millions more people will be taking statins. welcome. sanjay, let's start with what's happening in the philippines. you've reported from many similar disaster areas. what are the immediate problems, after five days with the concentration of rain and the lack of clean water and so on. what are the immediate problems now that will be facing rescuers on the ground? >> well, the basics do apply here, there's no question that all the things you're hearing from paula and anderson and anna, getting the potable water very important.
and what is the long-term strategy for this as well. should they be creating generators to sustain that water demand longer term. but let me speak to something that you asked about as well, with regard to the numbers. i've covered a lot of these types of things as you pointed out. people focus a lot on the number of people who have died on one end of the spectrum over here. on the other end of the spectrum, people who lived and who have adequate resources. but in the middle here is that vulnerable population. and this is where it's different from a lot of other natural disasters. there are a lot of people who survived this but are very vulnerable. they're in that middle swath. and over the next one to two week, everything matters. everything is different. the basics matter. people talk about infectious disease outbreaks being of concern, yes, they are. but the next one to two weeks make the biggest difference in what happens to this middle swath. do they go over here, survive,
and get the help they need or do they pass away because of preventible deaths? and the basics really, really do apply here. >> it's desperately urgent to get these supplies in there. let's turn to this development on the use of statins in america. tell me exactly what has happened, how it will change things for americans. >> basically, the guidelines have been loosened for who can get these statin drugs. they are cholesterol lowering drugs. and it's quite remarkable. we talk about the fact that roughly around 30, 35 million people are on these medications right now. and with this loosening of the guidelines, it could go up to double that number. 70 million people. so instead of having sort of a bunch of different criteria for determining who's going to be on these medications or not, if you have diabetes, type one or type two, you'd be a candidate for statins.
if you have any evidence of heart disease right now, you'd be a candidate for statins. so it's really quite stunning, actually, in terms of how many people would now be possibly getting a statin prescription or recommendation from their doctor. let me just say, we have pretty good strategies of preventing a lot of these problems in the first lace with some basic things. just the better diets, exercise, all the things i've talked about for years. the fact that we're going in the opposite direction, the fact that 70 million people may be on these drugs in the next couple years it's mind numbing. i feel like people are waving the white flag on all these things, and i hope it doesn't take our eye off the ball in terms of focusing on those basics. >> you're top cardiologist, it does seem to be sending a completely wrong signal, doesn't it? trying to make americans fitter
faster, leaner, eat healthier. now they can think, there's a much easier way? just pop a few pills? >> you're absolutely right. and i think sanjay is on the mark on this. before i get into the statins. on the philippines, scripps health is in it. and our chief officer is really into the medical response team, our health system is ready and willing to go to the philippines. now let's get into the statins. the big change, besides what sanjay's already mentioned is that we have these target numbers. so for people who didn't have heart disease, it was getting the ldl down to 100. and for those who did have heart disease, it was getting it down to 70. and there was no basis for these numbers. so they've been abandoned. and these guidelines have been around for ten years. is there has been a fixation of
americans to get their numbers right, even though so many of them are just getting a cosmetic effect on their blood test without actually improving their risk of getting heart disease. so this has been a big problem. we've already overcooked the use of statins. the data, the evidence for people who have heart disease is overwhelming. it's the people who don't have heart disease, this concern of 40 million americans already and possibly doubling that, that is really worry some. >> let me turn to obama care. president clinton today came out with a pretty striking criticism of president obama. listen to what he had to say. >> i personally believe, even if it takes changing the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people. >> sanjay, we know that the takeup on obama care has been
extremely low. the white house has now conceded that when the numbers are published they will be very low. we now have president clinton really directly challenging president obama to, if it means changing the law, change the law, but keeping his word. this is turning into a huge mess, isn't it? >> yeah. i think there's no two ways about that. you know, i think with regard to this idea of keeping the plans, this is another example of the message really having been not properly given. and, you know, we talk about the specific thing that if you have your insurance you can keep it. as it turns out, as you though, as president clinton said, that's not true. you and i have talked about this before after i interviewed secretary sebelius. the number one cause of bankruptcy in the u.s. is medical bills. that's because there are really bad plans out there. that's a red herring. this is a small part of the population that this fits into that they have plans and they want to keep them.
but we have regulations for cars that are unsafe. people say i want to keep my pinto. i don't want to be forced to boy a ferrari. pintos were the cars that caught on fire if they got rear ended. those weren't safe cars. if they want to keep that analogy going, there are plans out there that aren't good plans. to the point that you asked, the promise was that you could keep your plan if you had. and i think that's what he's address. >> do you feel, as a top practitioner of medicine in america that obama care is well intended? that if it all worked well it would be a force for good in america? >> well, i think eventually, many of the glitches will get fixed. and indeed, more people will be covered. butt problem that whole affordable care act has is it doesn't incorporate all the innovations. it doesn't capture the exciting
aspects of medicine, whether it be genomics. and wireless medicine. it's tuned into insurance coverage but missing where really the most exciting time in the history of medicine is right now. >> thank you both. a reminder that sanjay has his show on saturday. quite extraordinary story on a british man who traveled to amsterdam to get medical marijuana. a new development on medical marijuana. when we come back. bullying from the locker room to the boardroom. >> you're telling me there wasn't any signs going into that? >> you know, as the leader, as his best friend on the team, that's what has me miffed. how i missed this.
and i never saw it. i never saw it coming. also, out of control behavior. i'll ask what artie lange thinks about rob ford's out of control behavior. for those nights when it's more than a bad dream, be ready. for the times you need to double-check the temperature on the thermometer, be ready. for high fever, nothing works faster or lasts longer. be ready with children's motrin. ♪ ♪
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that's how our friendship was. and those are the facts, and that's what i'm accountable for. >> richie incognito telling his story. his first big interview since the bullying allegations made headlines across the country. the interview with martin will be delayed. joining me now is the man who sat down with richie incognito. welcome to you. it's a fascinating interview. >> thank you. >> let me ask you, what was your relationship with richie like before the interview. there were reports you were great friends or whatever. just clarify that for me before we start. >> yeah, i actually started off our entire segment saying, look, i've known richie incognito for five or six years. and that's what my job is as a nfl insider, as a reporter. i probably have about 900 relationships. i have a mixed martial arts
training program. he came out a few years ago. a guy is fighting this weekend, but even with that said, even having known him all this time, with the racism, with the bullying, it's difficult for me to comprehend, it's difficult for everyone to comprehend. it's hard to grasp, no matter what the relationship is. >> it seems to me you have a good access to this. you've interviewed him. you've seen some of the 1,142 texts. >> i've seen them all. >> this is what really interests me. i've worked with sportsman, i've interviewed many of them.
i've been in locker rooms. i've played sport at a minor level and been in dressing rooms. i know what can happen there in terms of what people call want banter. were you getting a sense of banter or bullying? >> the stuff that was said in these texts were locker room. they're about as bad as you get from both sides, going back and forth. 1142 texts, that's a lot of texts. they're both, you know, it didn't speak to me that one guy was hammering the other and the other wasn't coming back hammering, you know, martin went back to richie, richie went back to him. there's stuff that, like i said, it would be offensive to anybody else who saw it. and that's where you have to kind of, you know, figure out what the context is. the problem with stories like this is, i wish richie came out and jonathan came out a day or
two after that. then we'd know what really happened here. what's the real story here. you know, it's difficult right now because obviously when i sat down with richie, you know, he sat with lawyers. when we sit down with jonathan martin, it will be with lawyers too. i wish we knew, and i was the one who originally broke the story on fox sports 1 that this happened. and i started hearing from all sides immediately about it. you want to know the truth. the only way you find out the truth is from talking to those two people directly. and then all the other teammates and everybody else who's this there. >> the most fascinating aspect of it to me it seemed from the interview is when incognito claimed that martin sent him a friendly text four days after he left the dolphins. let's show that clip. >> he texted me and said i don't blame you guys. i blame some stuff in the locker room. i blame the culture. i blame what was going on around me.
and when all this stuff got going, swirling, bullying got attached to it, and my name got attached to it. i texted him as a friend, an and i said what's up with this? and he said it's not coming from me. >> that struck me as extraordinary. if that is true, that slightly, to me, kiboshes the theory that this was bull eyeing from rich eye incognito to martin. >> there was also one before that. >> there was one before that, also, we showed on fox. that the first one even before that said the world's gone crazy, lol. and then there was another one that said, by the way, don't check yourself into a mental hospital. and this was after it happened. and, again, that's the problem. the problem, as a journalist, my problem is to find out the facts. find out what really happened. not what everybody close to richie is saying, and not what
everybody close to jonathan is saying. we want to find out what's really gone on in there. >> from everything you know about other locker rooms in the nfl up and down the country, does any of this strike you as unusual? it may be offensive to the outside world, but these guys are big, trained, powerful athletes designed to want to kill the opposition metaphorically. is that surprising that they whip themselves up in this way and have competitive banter if you like? >> i think the great thing about be being in sports is thaw don't have to grow up. these guys are a bunch of kids. and kids can be mean. and when they're older, they're still kids. tony gonzales. i'm sure you know tony gonzales. he says i get made fun of more than anybody else because i have seven nationalities. when i retire, i'm going to miss that the most. that's tony, and i get that.
hey, our newsroom at fox, with me and michael strahan and terry bradshaw, oh, my god, if you ever heard us. the question to richie was, if you are pushing him too far, that's your brother, you've got to figure up a way, hey, we got to back up because maybe a big brother can go too far with a little brother. maybe that's not the case. but we got to make sure nobody goes too far where it goes over the edge, because i think you can have bullying on any level. it's a hot button topic. anybody who says bullying, you know, it's hard to defend, because people start acting like somebody condones bullying. we certainly don't. but you're right. in locker rooms, nothing is off limits. they go after everybody for anything. >> i think we should settle this in an old-fashioned british way. get in a room together, a firm handshake, apologies all around. >> i suggest thad to both parties before the interview. i think they were kind of both on board.
i know i was hearing from jonathan's people that anything can happen. aft interview, they said no, we're going to go another route. >> congratulations on your reporting on this. coming up, how artie lange, if anybody knows about a rant, it's this guy. later, filmmaker ken burns. and dramatic readings of one of the most famous speeches in history. and when i mean dramatic, i mean dramatic. steven colbert. four score and seven years ago -- announcer: you're on the right track
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no, it's not cupcake. >> it's hard to tell, because he's wearing sunglasses. somebody just woke up. oh, no, he's going to fall again. >> whoa, he's really gone. oh, stop. his head just went. where did he go? >> he's going to back it into that metal thing. that's okay. >> it is artie lange. he's known to pass out on air. best selling author and comedian. he's sober now for a year and a half. he talks about it in his new book crash and burn. how are you?
you are laughing there, watching yourself passing out at work. >> it's a brilliant comic at work. our generation's jonathan winters. >> i did the show a couple times when you were there. >> right. >> you were so part of that family. an amazing energy and dynamism between all of you. i would never have known the personal hell i read about in crash and burn. how many people did know the real depths of what were you going through? >> the times that you were there, i might not have been. i was on for eight and a half years. the first six were extraordinary. it was the comedian's version of bliss, being on the funniest show of my generation, making a bunch of money to do it. my schedule got to the point where combined with my addictive personality, i needed pills to go up, pills to go down, pills
to go on a plane, pills to go off a plane. that turned into a heroin addiction. really the only people who knew the depths of it were you and the dealer. one guy who's putting his kids through school because you're making him so much money and you, because you're hiding it from everybody. >> you got to a moment january 2, 2010. >> right. >> when you attempted to kill yourself. you took a knife and stabbed yourself nine times. >> right, if i had abs, i'd be dead. >> what was going through your mind that day? >> i was not of a straight mind. i had been doing heroin for four straight days a point, and i was going through awful withdrawals. that's the only thing that kept me out of the nuthouse. if you do that and you're straight minded they won't let you out, they can keep new a
mental institution for year, but the fact that i was under the influence of all these drugs is why i got out in just a few days. and then went to rehab and other crazy things that took me a year and a half to do. it was sheer hell. i was high, i was running out of drugs, and i couldn't take another trip to spanish harlem. i couldn't keep leading this life. and at the point, i saw no way out. >> your mother found you. and helped save your life. >> right. >> rushed you to the hospital and so on. when you came round from this. >> yeah. >> did you feel a terrible sense of guilt about what you put her through this. >> i still do. i still do. she wasn't supposed to come over that day. it was sheer fate. because stuff had gotten so bad i had agreed to give her a key to my place. to stop her from yelling. and they had planned an intervention for me. they were going to drag me away.
they had friends of mine and family, and they just happened to stop by that day and found me. the guilt of passing out, and her calling 911. i'll never get over that. thank god she's doing better and we're going through a happy time. but i'll never get over that guilt, ever in my life. >> let's take a break. when we come back, i want to get your reaction to the relationship how it is now. i'm sentimental about this. you're leaving to do the "tonight show." ♪ [ female announcer ] just about anywhere you use sugar, you can use splenda® no calorie sweetener. splenda® lets you experience the joy of sugar without all the calories. think sugar, say splenda™ without all the calories.
>> how right were you, artie lange? >> my finger's on the pulse of america. conan's been so good to me. he had me on once about every two months. and he was so good to me. that was in the throes of my heroin addiction. and i don't really remember that appearance. i kind of did it in a blackout. that is horrifying to wake up and realize you were on national tv and you realize you don't remember what you said and you realize you gave someone the best career advice of all time. >> you've not been back on the show since the suicide attempt. i think chris rock told him to try to get you off the airways. does part of you want to go back on the show where you have huge audience and explain? >> oh, god, yeah. my father, who drove a van for a living, climbing roofs came to me the summer of '82, said you got to hear this guy. we bombed it over listening to howard stern. and years later i'd become a
regular on the show. >> your father had a terrible accident. >> he did. >> and howard reacted by sending a jacket. >> how i got a show, we did an auction to try to raise money for hip. we had to go on welfare. it was a horrible situation. and all of the celebrities we wrote to, howard was the only guy who responded. he signed the jacket that we sold at auction and gary brought it up on the air, and howard said, this guy think he's going to walk again if he put this is jacket on? >> but it meant a lot to you and your father. >> and then my father passed away, when my father passed
away, i was 22 and just a drunk, a gambler and a lot of bad things. i get on the show and it becomes this amazing career. so god, yeah. i'd love to be a part of that family. but i think howard and i both realized that going back there might trigger something that would be terrible and he doesn't want to put me in that situation. i put them in such a terrible situation. he's reacting in the only way a good person would. >> are you still friends? >> we were really good friends for a long time. and when you do heroin, friendships are going to go away. i feel terrible about it. and when we speak he's very good to me. >> this is rob ford talking about his crack cocaine episode. >> yes, i have smoked crack cocaine, but no, do i? am i an addict?
no. have i tried it? probably in one of my drunken stupors. >> when you see somebody in that position. you probably know better than most the kind of thing that he's been through. >> unfortunately, he's doing it wrong. because he's the fattest crack addict i've ever seen. is he pouring it on cheeseburgers? >> one of the good side effects of crack is you stay very thin. that's why a lot of models do it. when i see somebody like that, you know, the guy's a mayor, and for the sentence to come out of his mouth, have i tried crack? maybe in one of my drunken stupors. it's great the cannon is loose enough. but he's still from washington, d.c. and they created the -- i'd vote for him again. you know, the old joke, they say what happened, if anybody's in a sex scandal, they could run in france on that and win.
you know. i'd give the guy another chance. but it's so crazy to hear that. >> i want to leave you with one last thought. here in new york the all time record has been smashed for the purchase of a painting. francis bacon's painting of his fellow artist, $142 million. >> wow. >> are we in the wrong game, artie? >> i know a lot of crooked jersey contractors that could paint your house, that's about the price. >> artie lange. it's a fantastic book. you were brilliant on the howard stern show. best of luck with the book. >> thank you very much. coming up next, artie's new best friend, ken burns. ken burns, you get presidents to agree when it comes to reciting the gettysburg address, which president lincoln [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion,
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ken burns, you get presidents to agree when it comes to reciting the gettysburg address, which president lincoln gave. welcome to you, ken. this is a great idea. your mission is to essentially get every american to be able to recite the gettysburg address. it would take them about two minutes, right? >> we like to sing in church, we like to sing take me out to the ball game together it. how great would it be to just learn something. i made a film called the address about these kids in a school, all boys, who suffer from learning disabilities, add, dyslexia.
the school has asked their boys to memorize and publicly recite. and as we were making the film and inspired by their heroism we thought about what if we got everybody else to do it. so we are issuing this challenge. >> you are challenging big names. >> taylor swift, nancy pelosi and marco rubio, bill o'reilly. >> why is it so important, the gettysburg address? what makes the gettysburg address in your opinion the greatest american speech? >> it's pure presidential poetry, but it's doubling down on our original promise made by thomas jefferson, that all men were created equal. but thomas jefferson owned more than, you know, 100 human beings and didn't see the contradiction of the hypocrisy and didn't see fit to free any of them in his lifetime. and four score and five years
later there were 4 million americans owned by other americans. so what lincoln is saying after the worst battle on american soil in north america that out of this suffering, out of this death we can have a new birth of freedom. he gave us marching ordering that we're still operating under today. when the first anniversary of 9/11 happened one of the few bits of english spoken besides the list of the dead was abraham lincoln's gettysburg address. it had nothing to do with 9/11 but to do with the glue that binds us together. >> what better way. >> four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation,
conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. now we are engaged in a great civil war. we are met on a battlefield, et cetera, et cetera. >> it is inspiring. >> it is amazing. and he uses the word "here " seven times. we dedicate here. he's saying look at it here, look where we are. we can never forget what they did here. in some ways the suffering and death has been obliterated, and the words remain. this is a country in which words matter. we were formed on words, not by religion, not by conquest, not by geography. we were formed because we agreed
ken burns, the movie, the address documentary comes out next april on pbs. >> yes. >> you've had a chance to look at all these presidents over the years. who's the greatest. ? if you could put one back in power now, who would you put back in power. >> you'd have to say besides babe ruth and the beatles, you have to say besides lincoln. i would put lincoln at the top. after creating a series, i would put franklin roosevelt up there. >> how about jfk? >> i think it is an unfinished story. i remember it like it was yesterday when he was killed. i was ten years old. it was tragic. we don't know what we have done. i just finished a history on vietnam. anderson cooper now reports live from the philippines. good evening, everyone. i'm anderson cooper from the philippines, five days after the typhoon haiyan set in.
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