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own rob ford way. when it comes to toronto's crack-smoking, insult-slinging and now boogey-dancing mayor, folks, you just cannot make this stuff up. that does it for me tonight. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you as always for watching. join me again tomorrow night on "in case you missed it." this is piers morgan live, welcome to our viewers in and around the united states and the world. nothing says festive like a big hug, so why was this teen suspended for hugging his teacher? you be the judge. he tells his story for the first time. and the voice of kasey casum, why his kids are fighting the step mother to see him.
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>> that was of course tim conway, and carol burnett, to begin with, the star of the show, duck dynasty. he has been suspended after comparing same-sex marriage to bestiality. joining me now, cnn's don lemon. >> what do you make of what has happened here? if you actually read the interview, it is like one long hom
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homophobic long rant. >> yeah, what is upsetting is he would go on to try to represent the views of all christian people, when we know for a fact that many christians support the lgbt family members. and he does not support the true christians. no one would go on and compare the lgbt people to slanderers, or. >> don lemon, let me just read these comments, he says it seems to me, a vagina would be more desirable than an anus, that man and that man, just not right, on and on he goes, later talking about civil rights movement saying i never heard one black person, i'll tell you what,
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those dog gone white people, free entitlement, welfare, you say were they happy, they were godly, were they happy? no one was singing the blues, pretty outrageous, you as a high profile gay black man, what do you think of this? >> well, piers, what exactly is free speech in this country? he has a right, phil robinson to say, exactly what he wants to say, that this is america, this is what happens when you have free speech, look at what happened to paula deen when she was accused of saying the n word. i think the marketplace should decide what happens to this franchise, it has been put on hold now. it is deeply offensive to many people and shows a lack of
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awareness on the part of individuals on certain people and the rights of people and how they should live. when people talk about you know, the country that we used to have and taking our country back and all of those sorts of things, he believes that the popularity of the show, he said that and i'm paraphrasing from the article, that it was recompensing, for what people have lost, taking the ten commandments and by removing the religious symbols from buildings. so i think it is a lack of awareness and the way other people live. and yes, it is deeply offensive to many people. >> and last night, barbara walters who does her ten most interesting people on abc, she has included duck dynasty, listen to what she said about them. >> i thought that there were
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people, who were if not the president, a little more interesting. what does this remind you of? quack! you know? the duck dynasty. >> duck dynasty. >> not the president of the united states, but the head of the duck dynasty, uncle cy, they are very original and very fascinating and they're one of the top reality shows. so you know, the president of the united states, quack! >> i mean that shows you, don, just how much the duck dynasty has entered the conscience. an empire that is about half of walmart alone. a quick question for you, don, should he be allowed back? or fired for this? what is the response from walmart who sells so much duck dynasty products? >> listen, i always err on the
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side of free speech, just because i'm offended, people can say what they want to say. i don't think they should be fired. the marketplace should decide. if people don't like duck dynasty they shouldn't watch it. listen, this is breaking news now, and as somebody from louisiana, from louisiana where they shot the movie. it is a place where many people still live and think the way he thinks. so my personal opinion, i don't think he should be fired. people should be allowed to say what they want and if they hang themselves they hang themselves. >> well, i won't be quite as kind as you, i think he should be fired. it is absolutely repulsive. they said we are extremely disappointed to have read paul robertson's comments. they in no way reflect his
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views, the network has placed phil under hiatus from filming. >> there is your answer. >> thank you very much both for joining me. and our big story, harassment, sam mcnair was suspended for hugging a teacher. he said it was all innocent, the teacher said he went too far. sam and his mother join us, welcome to both of you. the question for you, sam, you're 17 years old, good looking guy, a big sports star at the school and so on. why did you hug your teacher? >> i hug all of my teachers. it is a show of appreciation of what they do for me. that is my sense of realization. >> so you walked in there. and have you hugged this teacher before? >> yes, plenty of times, four or five times. >> and other teachers? >> yes. >> this particular teacher, apparently says that she warned you not to hug her, is that true? >> no, sir. >> so you never had any kickback at all to any of these hugs?
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>> no, sir. >> do other students hug teachers? >> yes, teachers hug students. >> but do they -- >> students hug teachers, as well. >> you don't think it is inappropriate, you have been banned for a year, seems an extraordinary punishment. my view what you did, it looks a bit inappropriate, i'm honest. i have three sons your age, if one of them did that to a teacher, i would be a bit concerned. i would be whoa, you can't do that to a teacher, but i certainly wouldn't expect you to be suspended for a year. let me turn to your mom a minute, do you think it is right that sam should be so tactile to start with? >> i mean, sam is a loveable kid. from the time he has been in duluth middle school, high school, he hugs all of his teachers, that is how he is with all the individuals in the school. you know, but my thing was, if
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she had an issue with him prior i should have been notified or somebody in the school should have been notified. because this is his senior year. you strip that of him. so there is no opportunity for him to even finish out his senior year. >> let's read a statement, it says hearing officers consider witness's testimony, a review of the fact, and the witness's behavior, including suspensions, when determining the consequences if a parent has concerns about the outcome of a panel, he or she is entitled to appeal. tell me what you did, you had suspensions before. >> the first was a b-b gun, a student placed it in my bag, it fell out. it raised attention towards me in the classroom. and i was basically suspended for a year, this was seventh grade, the next situation was ninth grade, i had a fellow injury from football, a fellow
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player gave me medicine, i had a bad reaction, the ems had to come, it caused a big suspension. i was placed on suspension. >> are you generally troublesome? how would you describe yourself? >> i describe myself as a well mannered man, and basically about to be 18, so i'm well on my way. i treat myself with a lot of care. you know, i make sure, i promote myself as a gentleman. >> see when she pushes you away, or sort of pushes you away, can you remember what she said to you? >> i don't recall her saying anything until after i spoke to the student which you see at the end of the video. and she told me to get out. as soon as she told me to get out i went to the coach to see what was going on. >> she apparently said that your lips touched the back of her neck and cheek, did they? >> no, sir. >> you can't really tell from the video, it is pretty quick of the it looks to me like a fairly
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innocent embrace if that is what you have been doing repeatedly with that teacher and the teacher and what other students do. >> well, in that situation, like she was not ahead at me, her shoulder was in my chest, so i can see where the idea would come from, but i definitely did not touch her lips. >> when you were told you were suspended, what did you do? >> i was thinking about my senior year, but my heart just stopped. >> has this stopped you from hugging people? >> in a sense, i go about more cautiously in greeting people. >> april, is there any leave of appeal here, do you have a last recourse to try to get changed? >> well, the appeal has been sent in today, we have to wait for the board to make a decision, on if they will reinstate him or take him out of school. >> well, i would personally rein
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in your hugs, you're a pretty good sportsman, correct? >> yes, sir. >> so they need you back on the team. >> yes. good to have you, thank you. and a strip search in new york, sparking the international outrage, and the body for superstar, the impassioned plea for women's rights, taking the world by storm. [ male announcer ] you've got to try red lobster's four course seafood feast,
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woman who was arrest. devanyi khobragrade stated on her visa, she paid the housekeeper a third. what is the nub of this complaint? it seems on the face of it that your client may have committed an offense in terms of underpaying her housekeeper, but the way she has been treated herself has caused offense, and perhaps quite rightly. >> well, the nub of this case is that allegations were made against her that were wrong. they are not substantiated. when the facts are looked at, it is prefer clear that dr. devanyi khobragrade did nothing wrong, paying her worker what she was supposed to pay her. the government made a series of
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spectacular blunders which has embroiled them into a diplomatic incident. >> are you saying that your client did pay this housekeeper the minimum wage or above? >> she paid this housekeeper exactly what she promised to pay her, well above the minimum wage. she was obligated under the contract to pay her $9.75 an hour. and that is what she did. before the housekeeper came with her to the united states, the housekeeper asked her to pay a portion of her income to a family in india. so every month, the wire was sent to the housekeeper's family in india. the documents support that. the balance was paid to her in the united states. all of it. there is no issue about the amount that was paid. the issue here is -- >> okay, let's move on, i think that is obviously an arguable
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legal point and will be determined. i have to say when i heard she had been arrested and cuffed outside one of her daughter's schools, it did seem absolutely crazy. did that happen? >> well, that is exactly what happened. you know what is crazy, piers, what is crazy there was not a phone call to devanyi khobragrade from the government, saying we have those concerns, if you owe her money, maybe you should pay her. and if you don't, maybe this will go away. but instead, an officer showed up at her daughter's school, arrested her at her daughter's school after she dropped off her daughter, brought her to the marshal's house where she was cuffed, strip searched, put in a cell with other people and treated like an ordinary u.s. citizen charged with a crime. the fact is, she is not an ordinary u.s. citizen, she is a diplomat with immunity.
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and she should never have been treated this way. >> okay, well, the justice department is pulling back on some of this, disputing the fact she was cuffed outside the school and other parts of this. have you talked to your client directly about that part of it? >> i have spent an enormous amount of time with my client. and just to set the record straight, the state department and the united states attorney's office is not disputing that she was arrested outside her daughter's school. there has been some misreporting that she was cuffed in front of her daughter, she was not. she was handcuffed when she was delivered to the united states marshal's service. she was strip searched there and kept in a cell until she was produced in front of a united states magistrate who released her without the posting of any money. >> okay, thank you very much indeed, there is another story out of india going viral. when you're one of the biggest
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nations, well, people tend to listen, she is speaking out for women's rights. and you're taking a lot of heat for it. i watched this video, i want to play a clip of this video. because you went for it with this journalist, wow, let's see this. >> i think you need to do your homework well, because i said indian society is regressive for women, with female infantticide happening on a daily basis, with gang rapes, honor killings, 40% of indian women, 40% of women are married below the age of 18. i think it is a very regressive state for women, and i stand by it. i don't care what people believe. >> like i said, wow, well, i did my homework today and malika to make sure you were not going to
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snap at my heels, but what was it that really rattled your cage, what the journalist asked you? >> because the journalist was asking me to keep quiet about something i have been so passionate about, the problem in india with this gang rape. and they think when i speak out about it i'm giving india a bad rap. and i think not doing something about it, not taking a stand, is wrong, i love my country, we have to take a stand, i feel very passionate about it. if we don't take a stand on it, there is a woman suffering in india. 47% of women are married off under the age of 18. 39,000 child brides in india on an average every day. and these women, they do not have the luxury of waiting for an eventual change. >> 95% of women in india are
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illiterate. 47% of indian girls are married by 18, and 18% by the age of 15. in politics, 18 to 20% of the female women in america, just 10 to 11% in india, even though you have had female prime ministers and an indian president. you have come to america and obviously you work in bollywood films and have been a big success here. has that given you a different lens on your own country? do you think you see the way women being treated in countries like america, has it reinforced your idea on how things should be changed? >> yes, india is on the brink of a rise, and india can't realize its potential until women get equal opportunities as men. >> your father has disowned you?
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>> he has. >> for seeking your passion, to go do movies, so many women would have been cowed, the male pressure in your country not to do it. how do you feel about the fact you have no relationship with your father? >> i think father's blessings are very important, his support is very important. but having said that i grew up in a very feudal male system, where what the father said was the law. i had had dreams, my family members just gave in. they didn't have a chance at life. i decided i must do something with my life. make a difference, i mean, my cause is noble. >> have you heard from him at all since you have had success with films? >> really, of course we're social with each other on occasions like christmas and family weddings, we meet each other. we're very cordial with each
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other, but there is no relationship otherwise. >> sad? >> very sad, i hope, piers, i get so much fan mail from india, from young girls saying you did it, show us the way. >> and your comments have been very contentious, and lots of people attacked you. but also you had millions of people swarming the internet, facebook and so on, saying thank god, malika is now standing up for the women of india, you must feel proud of that? >> yes, i do feel proud of that. i have always done things the opposite way, i was one of the first actresses to kiss on screen. >> very naughty of you. >> very naughty and to push the boundary, but then that gave me a platform to talk about this cause. and of course, i have paid a very heavy price on it. there was an assassination attempt in 2005 just when i began my career. but that wouldn't deter me from
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champi championing the cause for women. >> i mean, it is a controversial position you take, and gives people cause to silence you, do you worry about it? >> i don't worry about it anymore, because somebody has to do it. it has to be done. >> what is the issue of young men in india wanting to take parts in gang rape. they're horrific stories, what is it about the fabric of society, the makeup of the young male mind that is making them do this? >> i think it is very, very -- some deep social changes are required. >> does it all come down to just a lack of basic respect for women? >> lack of basic respect. lack of education, and also how the atmosphere is at home. how mothers bring up their children. that also is very, very important, i think. men in india have to stop looking at women as just sex objects. >> malika, it has been a real pleasure to meet you. i wanted to get you on because i
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think you're a bit of a heroine, and i want you to continue what you're doing, you're taking a big personal risk, and i admire what you're doing. so nice to meet you. thank you. >> the man with the beloved voice of america's top 40. why is own children are fighting to see their own father. we're aig. and we're here. to help secure retirements and protect financial futures. to help communities recover and rebuild. for companies going from garage to global. on the ground, in the air, even into space.
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kasem, ka thank you and hello again, everybody, welcome to america's top 10, let's turn to the billboard single's chart, now last year, the number one song
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was jumped by van halen, is it number one this week? let's find out. >> that was the voice that millions of americans grew up with, the voice of casey kasem, who is suffering from parkinson's disease, and his children are battling to see him. this is an awful story, i have four kids, i'm one of four kids, my mum is one of four kids, a big family. the idea that somehow i wouldn't be able to see my family if he was as ill as your father is would be heartbreaking. that is the position you find yourself in. what is going on here, kerry, why did your stepmother, jean, have a resistance for you seeing your father? >> you know, there has been a resistance for so long, ever since he married her, we saw this coming, we were not blindsided by this. this is a man we saw every single week, talked to him every single day on the phone until he lost his voice. we are an extremely close-knit
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family. extremely, and his family means more to him than anything. so why she is blocking is. >> it is dumbfounding, really. >> it seems very cruel, your father is suffering from parkinson's and has been deteriorating and having treatment and so on. you were allowed to see him briefly last week. your stepmother, jean, arranged for a location, we're not allowed to say where it was. part of the sort of bizarre legal area we face here. >> we're not allowed to see him, visitations can get pulled. >> you're not even allowed to say how he is. >> it is amazing, so important for us to see him. i just came in from singapore where i work, so i didn't know if i would ever be able to see him again, so i was just so happy to even get the 20 minutes i got. so to see him was the most
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special thing, i was able to quickly -- actually i only got five minutes. and i was able to tell him all the things that i needed to say just in case that was the last time i would ever see him. that was very special. just to only get that much time -- >> it is horrible. now, kerry, am i right in terms of the law, the law protects your stepmother in her home, which is where your father is most of the time. so you can't actually go in her home? >> that is right, we'll be arrested. we tried everything to get her to let us see him when she stopped bringing him over to the house. she had an assistant bring him to the house, she stopped. my sister went there you knocked on the door and was escorted off the property. >> do you have grandchildren, as well, any between you? >> our sister has children. >> and they can't see the grandfather? >> they will probably never see
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him. >> if she is watching tonight, what would you say to her? >> wow. >> it is so tough because you know, when you know somebody or you have met somebody before and you know them just a little bit you know how to approach them. and with jean, i don't think she knows us. >> but nothing has worked so far, now is your chance, you're live on cnn, this is your chance to tell her, the loving children to see their father. >> piers, we have seen everything we need to say, whether it is to a camera, the judge, to the lawyers. >> more than us, it is about our dad. and him having just some stimulation and love and care around him, provided by you know, everybody. including us, the children. >> it is not just us, we need to say this loud and clear. it is not just the kids. it is his brother, his cousins, his best friends, everybody has been blocked from seeing our father. >> we're talking about people
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we've known from the 40s. >> let's play devil's advocate. is part of the reason she is doing this is she doesn't want people to see the condition he is in? >> my family's biggest joy, he loved to have gatherings. our lebanese family time, playing cards, having food, that was family time. now, when we did see him we had so very little time with him. it is like take the person that you love most on earth. know that they're sick, know they want to see you. you get 20 minutes with them before being ripped away by an armed guard. and having them say please stay and you can't. >> you might be restricted from what you can say, i'm not, i think it is utterly inhuman, and completely despicable. and if you're watching, the stepmother, jean, just wake up and let them see their father,
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we got a statement from ms. kasem, she says she has no comment at this time, but would like to appear on the show to address any inaccurate statements. all right, you have an open invitation, before it is too late, before the children can't see their father again. it seems like an utterly ridiculous ban on these children. i want to play casey kasem in his hey day, where people remember him. >> well, now we're up to the number one song in the land and i look back at four amazing decades counting them down. i'm casey kasem, now, one more time, the words i have ended my show with since 1970, keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars. >> i mean, i didn't hear them do that because i was in britain. but i do remember he was the voice of shaggy and scooby doo,
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the guy is a huge inspiration, a big part of his show was the dedications. if you could choose one to dedicate to him, what would it be? >> did you ever know that you're my hero, everything i would like to be, the wind underneath my wings, i am who i am today because of my father, my integrity, my morals and my work ethic, everything i am and who i am is because of my father. and of course my mother, both of those people are why we are who we are. and we love them so very much. >> and casey was a man who just cared so much about just humans in general. just people, you know, i would see him go up to homeless people and give five, ten dollars, you know, and all the humanitarian issues that he supported. and he just brought that home,
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too. and he brought us up to care for people and to respect people. and we can't thank him enough for that. >> and that is also too why we named it the kasem cares foundation, my dad cared so much about people. so much. and i just wanted to ask people that are watching right now that if they could give to the kasem cares foundation, which we are supporting, legislation a bill that allows children, adult children with an ailing parent, visitation rights. and not every kid, we're not assuming every kid, kids that are good, kids with a strong -- >> my priority is getting you in to see your dad, we'll keep on this. i repeat, mrs. kasem if you're watching, come on the show and explain yourself, and maybe you have an entirely different set of circumstances that are hard to believe, but i am just so sorry, this must be utterly heartbreaking for you. coming up, an icon that could make anybody laugh, tim
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i really, really do love you. what was it you wanted to tell me, darling? >> i wish you would have said that sooner, this is not going to be easy. >> i love you, i love you, i love you. >> well, i married melody this afternoon -- >> i hate you, i hate you, i hate you, how could you do that to me -- >> well, it wasn't -- >> i never want to see you again, get out of my sight forever. >> boy, for a minute there i
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thought she was going to be mad. >> legendary funny man tim conway, and the great carol burnett, slow down, tim conway and the great carol burnett, tim is now telling a story in his new book "what is so funny." he joins us, in the chair tonight, how do you feel about it? you have been making my entire career -- >> well, there are only two guys here. >> how are you tonight? what do you conclude about your extraordinary life when you finished the book? >> well, i haven't read the book but i understand it is very good. i never really wanted -- i was starting out to be a jockey. but falling off as much as i did from horses. and weighing 190 pounds, even the horse was asking me to get off. you know, so i gave up that career. and show business was the next best thing. >> i'm glad you didn't make a career out of impressions.
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we have a little clip here, used my mchales's navy. listen to this. >> haven't you already done enough? you filthy blighter! >> absolutely ridiculous accent. >> well, you have one, too. quite so. >> obviously, everyone associates you with carol burnett, what was it like when you first began to work with her, realized you had this extraordinary chemistry? >> it was marvelous. i had admired her from afar, from the other side of the television set for a long time. and when i finally got to meet her and work with her was
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absolutely the end of my career, as i thought. because that is as much as you can do. >> what made carol so special? >> well, she is very giving and very -- she is just wonderful. you know, it is -- you cannot anger her, by any means. oh, you can, but that is a whole other story. >> well, when you meet people now, do they expect you to be extremely funny? are you naturally like that? or was it difficult before -- >> well, i have a natural humor about me, when i talk to people that comes out. >> you have one of those faces, i had it with bob newhart, don
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rickles -- and i mean that as a compliment. well, bob, it was very difficult to put down the book. live on cnn. >> wow, who would have thought? there's a saying around here,
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is it rudolph? >> yes, mr. valentino is here! >> rudolph, at last you have come to beg my forgiveness, well, it is too late for that! >> carol burnett, playing one of her most famous characters, nora desmond, and the chemistry between carol and tim conway. i have never seen the crew so excited. they have been bouncing off the walls, carol, welcome back. >> thank you. >> you said his improv was pure
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gold and wildly inventive. was that part of the magic? >> totally, totally, on fridays we would tape the live show with the audience, and we would make chan changes, then another audience would come in and we would do the second show, well, tim -- i'm going to talk as if he is not here. he would do the first show as we had rehearsed it, to the ink. and then he would go to our director and say did you get all the shots, dave and so forth. okay, for example he would say, all right in the hotel sketch when we do this again on the second show, instead of being on a waist shot of me, be on a head to toe. that is all he would tell him. and the crew didn't know. and so it was like he was going to wing it. and he thought of something to do with that window. >> and even you wouldn't know
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what was going on? is that why you kept cracking up so much. >> we never cracked up on purpose, ever, ever. >> here is the weird thing about you, too, tim -- >> well, i'll tell you something weird about you, too. >> lots of weird things about me, but your background is hardly the template for american comedian. you grew up in the depression. only child, your father was an irish child, orphan child, none of this ticks a box saying i'm going to be one of the most funny guys in america. how did you get to be funny. >> well, dyslexia helped me out a lot, because i would get up to read in class, and -- i couldn't. i don't know what -- well,
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perhaps my mother in that picture, my mother and father were very funny. my dad was training race horses. and so he would let me gallop in, in the morning. >> he was irish. naturally. >> i never understood him. >> of course. >> did you tell piers about the door bell? >> yeah, he hooked a door bell up in our house one time back wards so that it rang all the time except when you pressed the door bell. and i said you know, dad, you must have crossed the wires. leave it alone. so we would sit there and listen to this beep all night. and when it would stop he would say i'll get it. >> that is funny. >> so it is with both of you, the style of comedy has changed so dramatically, from the days when you had such a hit show
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together. do you find it offensive, the modern kind of -- the way of telling crude jokes? >> i do, and i'm not a prude, but i just think it is an easy laugh, sometimes i think when i watch some of these shows that they have been written by teenage boys in a locker room, you know, that just -- they're not clever, when i think back with mary tyler moore show, with the bob newhart show, with "all in the family," that was clever writing. but not where you want to go, too sweet. but just -- >> you never had to curse to get a laugh. >> no. >> and you never had to worry about the kids watching it either. i mean, you could communicate with the whole family. >> what is the joke, tim, if i said right, you have five minutes to live and you could tell one joke again before you
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peg it, what would it be? >> i would go hold up a bank, i have always wanted to do that and take as much cash as i could and run out. once my five minutes is up, bang, the cops kill me. >> you still do stand-up? >> i do sit-down now. i don't do too much of it. >> did you ever bank a joke, you have one that you pull out -- >> you don't tell jokes, i don't tell jokes. >> the conventional joke -- >> we tell stories, like about the door bell, that is funny. >> do you find everything pretty funny? >> yes. >> i do, yeah. >> is that the trick of being the observationally brilliant comedian, you basically find had humor in everything. >> well, you can try. >> i do. i did in school, too. i was always laughing at somebody who was reading or somebody who was writing.
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>> who is the funniest -- present company excepted. who is the funniest person you have ever seen as a professional comedian? >> well, i think newhart is very funny. bob and i are close friends because i take a lot of his material and do it in a club. rickles was, you know, i mean, he was the best. and -- >> carol, who would you say? if you could pay to see one comedian on stage again, who would you choose? >> apples and oranges, i love billy crystal, saw his show twice, just fantastic, steve martin. and the usual ladies, i love, tina and amy. >> tina fey, i feel like they continue the kind of humor. >> well, they do sketch work,
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they're not standup comics, and neither are we. >> well, i would love to talk to you all night, doing sit-down comedy. >> well, i would love to sit here all night. >> we'll just tell anderson we'll rip through his hour. carol, tim, thank you both very much. >> thank you, piers. >> we'll be right back. >> ron burgundy. you know, i hit the news scene a little bit after him but i always looked to him as an example of what i never ever wanted to become. that is what makes him who he is, he is the most legendary news anchor ever. of course, not all legends are about good things. [ male announcer ] this store knows how to handle a saturday crowd.
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