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the global internet system and clinton's ending of the u.s. trade embargo with vietnam. we've checked the e-mails thoroughly and there is not an emow dacon or lol to be found. thanks to all of you for being part of my show this week. i will see you next week. good morning, from new york city. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." a big show ahead. here's what's coming up. "the new york times" under fire, questions of fairness as a family tragedy plays out in the headlines. chris christie, the media swarming, new stories breaking. we asked the reporter who got the biggest scoop of them all, can this governor still run for president? which brings us to hillary clinton. she's a target for republicans, but is her husband fair game? >> would you call him an unsavory character? >> yeah, a sexual predator
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basically. >> those are strong words and we will get to them later in the program. plus i have christiane amanpour joining us about the outrageous treatment of reporters in egypt and bill carter on jay leno leaving "the tonight show." first are we about to see a new and explosive relace of nsa information. here's a bigger question, has another source come forward possibly inspired by edward snowden? let me back up a moment and clarify. glen greenwald is the reporter who broke the edward snowden surveillance story and who helped snowden publish all of the nsa revelations that have shaken u.s. relationships around the world and revealed to all of us just how extensively the government is collecting our personal data. he will be joining me in a moment as he prepares to release material we have not seen yet before on his new website. meanwhile greenwald is preparing to come back to the united states n spite of the fact that he could be arrested as soon as he lands. several lawmakers have said that he may be guilty of aiding and abetting a felon.
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journalist glen greenwald joins me from rio de janeiro. thank you for being here. i'm not sure if i can hear glen but i think you can hear me. i'm going to try to ask him my first question. it involves your new website. will you be revealing new information about the surveillance stories on the site? >> sure. there's a lot more really significant stories about to reveal as we've said for quite some time that continues to be true, and a big part of why this appeals to us so much, namely, the opportunity to build a new website, a new ya outlet really, is to continue aggressively reporting on these materials that have informed democratic debates around the world. are all of the stories you'll be publishing starting this week based on the snowden documents or have new source comes forward? >> well, i can't really talk about the stories until they're published including their base
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es, but i would say just in general that before the snowden reporting began, one of the recognitions i think on the part of the american media was that the obama administration has been particularly aggressive, some have said and i would agree, vindictive, in going after sources and even journalists themselves. james goodell, the former new york times general counsel said president obama is more hostile since richard nixon. i think one of the things sources need to know if they come forward, they're going to be defended and protected and also that whatever they come forward to reveal is going to be aggressively reported by media outlets and journalists even if the government doesn't like it. i think journalists know that about us and i think that some will be willing to work with us. >> some sources you mean? sounds like you have other sources you're protecting? >> yeah. i just -- until the stories are revealed, i can't really address that. >> is it fair to say you've
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heard from people inside the nsa or government who have been inspired by edward snowden, who are also feeling uncomfortable with what's going on inside the government and also want to share information with you? >> i definitely think it's fair to say that there are people who have been inspired by edward snowden's courage and by the great good and virtue that it has achieved and, you know, i think there were people before edward snowden like chelsea manning and thomas drake and before that daniel ellsberg who were incredibly heroic. i think edward snowden was inspired by them. i have no doubt there will be other sources inside the government who see extreme wrongdoing inspired by edward snowden as well. >> at the same time i've gotten the sense you want this new news organization you're building with your colleagues to be broader than just what edward snowden has provided document wise to you. is that right, that you want to broaden out on this new site beyond what you wrote for "the
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guardian" and nbc more recently? >> oh, definitely. before edward snowden was my source i wrote about a whole range of topics, civil liberties abuses and secrecy abuses, and we're certainly going to continue to focus on issues like that, as well as broader issues. we have journalists who have been at the top of their field reporting on criminal and civil justice abuses and a whole variety of other topics. to us, what we're really about is this journalistic ethos, that people in power, more than anything else, need adversarial checks from those in the media. that's why the first amendment guarantees a free press. we believe that kind of transparency brings accountability and that's been missing from the american political class which is why there's been so much not just in ineptitude but corruption and that's something we hope to contribute to rectify. >> you're coming to us from brazil. you haven't been back to the united states since the first stories were published last summer but you've hinted you're going to come back this spring. i want to bring that up because
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there's been claims in recent gas dais from some government officials they might hold you accountable and might try to prosecute you in some way. let's play the exchange between the chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers and the fbi director from earlier this week. >> there have been discussions about selling of access to this material to both newspaper outlets and other places. mr. comey, to the best of your knowledge is fencing stolen material, that is a crime? >> yes, it is. >> and would be selling the access of classified material that is stolen from the united states government, would that be a crime? >> it would be. it's an issue that can be complicated if it involves a news gathering function, but in general fencing or selling stolen property is a crime. >> your blood must boil when you hear that. what was your reaction to that? what do you think they're trying to do by saying those kind of things? >> extraordinary aspects to that
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attempt by mike rogers to suggest that journalists such as myself are engaged in criminal conduct in selling koumtss and the like. first is that he's not only lying and he is lying, but he not only is lying but knows that he's lying. this what is mike romgers is notorious for in washington, literally making things up and smearing political opponents and journalists he doesn't like. he recently did it when he said there was indications that edward snowden was working with russian intelligence and every major newspaper in the country said not only is there no evidence of that, but that investigators have said it's not the case, that he acted alone. but i defy mike rogers, if he wants to make that accusation, to come forward and present actual evidence that any journalist has stolen -- has sold documents or stolen material or engaged in any kind of criminality. he has no evidence. he's making things up. but the second aspect is what he's talking about, that process
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has always in the united states been called journalism. you go to media outlets and you report what the public should know. what this is, is nothing less than an attempt to criminalize journalism like all petty tyrant tries to do when reporters and other journalists expose that which they want to hide. i don't think anybody should mistake what this is really about. >> yet every time we talk, every time you're on television, people on twitter call you a traitor. what is that like to hear traitor and hero from other people? >> yeah. you know, i think that it's always the case that if you are adversarial to the u.s. government there are certain people who view criticizing the government or exposing bad acts done in secret of the government, as being treasonus. look at what was said about daniel ellsberg, who everybody now regards as a hero, but 40 years ago you had the mike rogers and james clappers of that era calling him a russian spy and a traitor and engaging in treason and endangering the
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united states. it's really just a very similar pattern. i knew a long time ago when i went into journalism it wasn't the profession to go into if you want to be universally loved. if you do it the right way you're going to make a lot of powerful people and their loyalists unhappy and i'm perfectly okay with that. >> i hope to see you here in new york in a couple months. >> thanks very much, brian. appreciate it. >> thanks for being here. we have to take a quick break. we will look at the awful story of woody allen and his step daughter and accusations that "the new york times" treated allen unfairly even as another newspaper decided not to go with that story at all. two reporters will be here in a moment. don't go away. the old dining table at 25th and hoffman. ...and the little room above the strip mall off roble avenue. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more. dell is honored to be part of some of the world's great stories. that began much the same way ours did.
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welcome back to "reliable sources." this weekend new allegations by both sides to the ugly family battle between woody allen and his step daughter dylan farrow. this would normally be a private matter but it's being bitterly fought out on websites and newspapers. dylan's claim that alan sexually assaulted her first arose in the 1990s when she was 7 years old. it hit the headlines a week ago when "new york times" columnist nick published an open liter. some critics and woody allen have faulted the "times." alan did get his say, published
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his rebuttal and blaming former girlfriend mia farrow for manipulating dylan. i love her, he writes of his daughter, hope one day she will grasp how she has been cheated out of having a loving father and exploited by a mother more interested in her own festering anger than her daughter's well being. dylan fired back, this time in the "hollywood reporter" writing this, once again, woody allen is attacking me and my family in an effort to discredit and silence me. but nothing he says or writes can change the truth. here's the question i will like to explore this morning should "the new york times" have publish eed dylan's charges without a response from alan. "the los angeles times" passed on publishing dylan's letter. joining me two reporters dylan byers for politico and robin abcarian a columnist for the longs times. robin you wrote a column where you said nick, this spectacle is
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on you. you feel the times did not exercise proper journalistic judgment here. spell it out for me. >> i want to say there are no winners this situation and while i think that nick christoph's work is at merble i think his judgment was clouded by giving over his column and his very valuable journalistic real estate to a friend of his family as he described the farrows. giving his column over to this really a cry of pain and anguish on the part of this woman who says she was abused and who many agree with, but whose father was never formally charged or prosecuted, i think has sewn maximum confusion, rather than clarify, an i'm not sure really what purpose was served. >> why do you think your newspaper "the l.a. times" granted another part of the paper, not the part that you worked for, but why do you think they passed op publishing this open letter? >> anything i say would be
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speculation because i don't have any correspondence with the editorial pages but i'm assuming for the reasons that i found it somewhat objectionable when you have such a contentious issue between two people that really can't be resolved except in the court of public opinion and what is that, what good does it serve allowing one woman to castigate the other in public. now you see with "the new york times" forced to publish woody allen's denial of molestation, basically back to square one. >> dill lap, as you know i used to work for "the new york times" that's my skin in the game. some feel this was more becomes of "the national enquirer" than "the new york times." what have you heard about what the times did to try to reach woody allen and they decided to publish this long rebuttal in the paper this weekend? >> it's important for the sake of context not just the los angeles times that didn't want
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to publish this it's the "the n york times" editorial page did not want to publish this -- >> you broke this news on friday they received the letter as well and decided not to publish it, right? >> what our sources at the times told us is that what happened is they wanted to pass on it and essentially nick chris stof, a friend of the family, stepped in and said i'm going to publish it i'll publish the full letter on my blog and address it in my column and robin's point is absolutely right, is that really the place for this battle between playing out, this sort of personal family drama to be playing out and now it's forced "the new york times" to address this issue and if we let nick publish that piece we have to let woody allen publish this piece. >> is there an argument to be made "the new york times" should have waited until they had a publishable response from woody allen or does that put the times in a difficult place? this is a person alleging sexual assault, if the alleged
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assaulter isn't going to comment that's not their fault? >> yeah. exactly. i think what you see in dylan's letter she is inviting opinion and debate on an issue that for her there is no other opinion or debate on it. this is what she calls her truth and facts. woody allen, i have to say i'm not sure what favor he did himself with his long essay in "the new york times" the other day. i think a mature human being would have said i love my daughter, wish her the best and did not molest her. he used it as an opportunity to attack mia farrow. now you have the whole family involved again, "people" magazine got in on the act, interviewed moses farrow, dylan's farrow's response was my brother is dead to me. this extraordinary scene of family dysfunction and meltdown playing out really for the interests of the public. the important thing is dylan farrow's family beliefs are they
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support her and that's all really that matters. >> my producer pointed out before the show the kind of thing that would normally be playing out in a therapist's office, so strange to see it playing out in newspaper columns. i wonder if this says something about our age we're in. do you think there's a broader takeaway to all this? >> no. i think it's very simple. i think the fact that you've got -- >> very isolated? >> two profile people, woody allen and mia farrow involved guarantees the public will continue to have interest in their sex live, disfunk of their lives, personal family meltdown but that is the world we live in? >> if i may. >> yeah. >> it's important to remember there are two other things going on at the same time that this is happening. the -- and these allegation, these charges r not new. these are she old. why are they cropping up right now? woody allen is in the limelight for the golden globes and
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oscars. ronan farrow has a new show on msnbc, we know that ronan was the one that mitigated the meeting between dylan farrow and "the los angeles times" page. you have to wonder why is this coming up now and does it have anything -- i'm not siding with one side or the other but does it have anything to do with an attempt to take down woody allen and b, with an attempt to cast more light on another member of the family who has a new show coming. >> as we wrap up dylan, i wonder if you've sensed any idea that there's any regret at "the new york times" about how this went down. nick chris stof has declined to comment or interview requests in the weeks since his first column came out. have you sensed regret at the paper about this? >> of course. the way i sense regret is through silence. i reached tout andy rosenthal and knicks chris stof on wednesday, thursday, friday, and didn't hear back from either of them. there's clearly some sort of tension going on over that decision. >> dylan, thank you so much. robin, thank you for joining me. >> thank you very much.
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>> my pleasure. >> in just a moment one of america's most legendary reporters one half of woodward and bernstein is here to talk about the chris christie bridgegait scandal. new developments and i'll ask carl bernstein is this going to bring christie down? you'll want to hear what he has to say. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection. and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. [ mthat if you wear a partial,w you're almost twice as likely to lose your supporting teeth? try poligrip for partials. poligrip helps minimize stress which may damage supporting teeth by stabilizing your partial. care for your partial. help protect your natural teeth.
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welcome back. you know they keep coming, drip drip interest in the bridge gate scandal, the george washington bridge scandal and the question is, was new jersey governor
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chris christie involved in closing some of the access lanes to the bridge last year to paralyze the town of fort lee? this morning the newark star ledger's editorial editor weighed in. meanwhile, reporters are still digging, digging, digging for new scoops and the latest, the mayor of fort lee says he believes the lanes were closed in retaliation for his endorsement of christie's rival in the governor's race. he's been skittish about saying that but now says although he was not directly asked to endorse the governor he was shourd with political favors from the christie campaign until the day he endorsed democrat barbara bono. the governor denied having knowledge of the lane closures while happening. at what point does this become big enough to sink chris christie as the 2016 presidential contender or has it already? i can't think of anyone better to ask than my next guest carl bernstein one half of the
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legendary woodward and bernstein story leading to the resignation of president knicksen. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> always differences with every scandal. do you see similarities in the way news has trickled out about bridge gate and the way slowly news trickled out about watergate. >> start with bridge gate. a terrible term unfair to governor christie and we in the media ought to abandon that term right away. >> no more gates at all? >> first of all triflizes watergate by calling everything gate, but in the case of christie it's plain unfair. we don't know all the facts yet. let's wait until the facts are in. the new jersey legislature needs to do an important bipartisan investigation such as was undertaken in watergate and we'll learn more. what we have here is a huge national story on many levels. not the least of which is that it has thrown the republican presidential sweepstakes wide open. christie was the presumed
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nominee among the commentating class and many others. he no longer is under any circumstances. this means there's going to be a huge fight for the presidential nomination in the republican party, other candidates are going to enter, maybe people like joe scarborough, rob portman, many others, this is wide open. >> you think scarborough would do it? he always flirts with this stuff. do you think he would run for president? >> i can't be inside his head. i think that he certainly would think about it and if he saw there was a way and a path that was a possibility that he probably would. >> your point is now there are these paths opening up. >> this can go anywhere. >> right. >> christie was the ideal candidate moving to the center, somebody who supposedly could work with democrats, who had gotten a lot accomplished in his state, very popular, so-called truth teller who got right out there and said things others are afraid to say and now what we
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have is an implosion of sorts. >> sounds like you don't think he's too thoroughly damaged to be the nominee. we don't know yet? >> i think it's unlikely he will be the nominee. if he's going to be the nominee he has to prove that this was all invented against him. that he really had very little to do with the aura of his office, that made this possible, in other words his top aides, regardless of whether he said close down the dam lanes, his people closest to him did it and they did it in a cynical, horrible way, that endangered people's lives. this is no prank as rudy giuliani has put it. this is a terrible offense against the citizens and endangering them of his state. so unless he can show that he has somehow been ambushed by the
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press, had nothing to do with this, that his assistants were independent operators. >> rogue. >> who kept things from him, it's a pretty rough thing to accept for most people, i think, that he's that far removed and if he's then shown to be that far removed he didn't know what the hell was going on in his office, then that's another problem. if -- we have no idea what's going to happen in an investigation. he might have to worry about being the governor of new jersey. we just don't know. >> here's a twitter message from a viewer when i said we were going to be on with me today. without more proof than we now have, is this whole chris christie thing starting to feel like press overkill? >> no. because we need to know what happened and we have very little evidence, hard evidence, so far that has been made public. the governor's office has failed to make it public. there are many subpoenas out there. the governor could open up his books if he wanted to say this is invented by the press.
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i'll give you everything we're giving to the investigating committees. here it is. come on in, reporters, come on in, everybody. i haven't seen that kind of willingness to open up the idea -- look, just like in watergate, there are those who are going to say let's make the conduct of the press the issue here, not the conduct of the governor and his office. >> isn't that always the world's most boring story making the press the story? >> it worked in watergate for a good while. we were kind of out there by ourselves. knicksp tried to make the conduct of "the washington post" the issue not those of his assistants. at a certain point it stops working if the facts are compelling enough and if the reporting is good enough. so far the facts are compelling and the reporting is pretty good. >> pretty good. we're about to talk in the next block about hillary clinton and, you know, the presumed candidate for 2016 and how rand paul has been criticizing her husband calling bill clinton a sexual
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predator. do you think that's a fair line of attack that we're hearing in all of these interviews rand paul has been doing some. >> i've written the standard biography of a woman in charge of hillary clinton, came out as she was running for president the last time. look, there was something of a co-presidency in the clinton years and if she were to be president, it would be another co-presidency in some ways. so bill clinton's actions, it seems to me, are perfectly fair game, particularly that his principal defender including his legal defense, defense in impeachment was his wife, hillary clinton. so it's fair game. at the same time, we ought to remember that he, clinton, is about the most popular political figure in this country today for all kinds of interesting reasons. i'm not one, incidentally, based a little bit on what i'm hearing and a little bit of instinct
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actual notions i'm not convinced she's going to run for president. i think the christie thing might have made it more likely but she's looking at every aspect of this, including her health, husband's health, they both have to be healthy if she's going to undertake this run. she's not going to undertake a run if it looks to the clintons as if there's a big chance she could be beaten. it's not a sure thing she's running. and people i know who know her well, and there are very few who she talks to about this question, if any, beside her husband in terms of what she's really going to do, but there are some doubts among those who know her well she's really going to do this and she's not going to make a decision until we get much closer to the event. >> yes. it is only february 2014. carl, thank you so much for being here. when we come back, i want to talk a little bit more about that, about rand paul and why is it in interview after interview
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blitzed and sacked, #super bowl. fox not the only voice of opposition to obama and wouldn't be the only voice of opposition to a clinton candidacy either. rand paul keeps bringing up bill clinton in interviews and keeps playing the lewinsky card. listen to what he said to news max. >> would you call him an unsavory character? >> a predator, sexual predator basically, repetitive. >> strong stuff, very strong stuff, controversial stuff. in several interviews we've heard paul call it a package deal. i want to see what our guests think. is it fair to use bill to go after hillary. sally kohn, cnn's political commentator will cain from the left and right here. you heard carl bernstein say he thinks it is fair game to bring up bill clinton's past. do you as well? >> i think it's fair game. i get it from the democratic side of the aisle. i get bill clinton again, this is 20 years old.
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however, i don't actually think this is a political maneuver of rand paul's behalf. it's about hypocrisy. the republicans have endured this false war on women and after a while you choke on the hypocrisy of bill clinton being the spokesman, the keynote speaker of the democratic party. if you ask most americans regardless of party affiliation, here is your person putting this message out there, cardboard cutout, no party affiliation or name, most look at them and go the guy that had an affair with an intern in the work place this is hypocritical. >> sally? >> you have a legitimate policy driven war on women that republicans, including rand paul, who in the same remark said, i think women are winning i'm more worried about what men are going through in america who refuses to acknowledge wage gaps, pressure on single moms, working mothers all these things that republican policies made worse and the attack on abortion and contraception and they want to deflect from this war on women, this idea that we can do
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this suggesting that the democrats have all these candidates and political leaders who are perss so we don't to talk about republican policies as though there's an equivalentsy between those. >> do you see no hypocrisy of bill clinton? the pan who had an affair with a 20-year-old in the oval office? no hypocrisy. >> i didn't like the affair with lewinsky and still don't. i don't like what spitzer did, don't like what any of them have done. to equiv cate that with the policies that republicans are continuing to pursue to make it harder for women to control their bodies an economic justice that's what rand paul is trying to deflect away from. >> i wonder if the press is gining this up more than anything because they want to bring these story back into the news. >> conflict makes for good tv. >> we saw that with bill o'reilly and president obama last week. >> that's right. >> i think in the end we have a true and real policy difference
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that on whether or not women should be able to ask someone to pay for their contraception, when life begin, nothing to amount to a war on women and when you do this you expect this kind of rebuttal. excuse me, bill clinton is your spokesman. >> let's be clear, the republicans got this training, right. they ran trainings for the republican men running against women. because they need training on how to run against women without saying offensive things. clearly i guess the new arsenal in the toolbox that rand paul is trying out is, let's not actually have a sensible respectful debate with women running for office about their policies and their ideas let's attack their husbands. i'll go that rate ruth. come on. >> i want to ask you about the obama/o'reilly interview. some are calling it disrespectful. did you feel the tone was appropriate? >> no. in 2011 -- >> shouldn't the president be able to take -- >> in 2011 o'reilly interrupted -- this is who bill o'reilly is. he's an aggressive interviewer.
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i have a great relationship with bill, respect him, in 2011 he interrupted the president 48 times. this time he be some counts 42 times of a 2,500 word interview. bill o'reilly spoke 1,000 of those words. more of a debate than it is an interview. >> that's what makes it great. >> it's on tv, right? >> he's aggressive and one of the best interviewers. no reason to curry favor for bill o'reilly. i don't work at fox or know the man. the number one tool of politicians in an interview is filibuster. speak as long as you can, expose yourself to as few questions as possible. bill o'reilly moves it along makes it a conversation, makes it a back and forth. you get something out of his interviews -- >> i have to give him credit he covered his own interview five nights in a row. one more topic the olympics going on in sochi russia and saw in the opening ceremony, nbc
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edit out part of the anti-discrimination statement from the head of the ioc. let me read part of what was taken out. yes, it is possible to strive even for the greatest victory with respect for the dignity of your competitors. yes yes, it is possible even as competitors to live together under one roof in harmony with tolerance and without any form of discrimination for whatever reason. did nbc make a mistake editing that part out of the opening ceremonies? >> they made a mistake. we talked about this ahead of time. >> we agree. >> whether or not it's an intentional mistake. >> i don't. i think you're looking at one of the most boring aspects not only the opening ceremonies but the speech by the ioc president. he did talk about tolerance, diversity. they did cut out the most pointed aspect but don't think they want to. >> this is the gayest opening ceremonies in the history of the olympics ever. this is not the most interesting moment. you have this subtext of nbc taking heat as they should be for broadcasting these olympics
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that are happening in a country that has these incredibly vicious atrocious anti-gay laws and a lot of people don't think we should be having the olympics there at all. they have that heat cutting this, incidental, on purpose, it certainly is a convenient way to avoid having to talk about it. >> nbc said it was for time reasons. but the fact that the questions get asked shows why. sally and will, thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> after a break, christiane amanpour joins me. she is angry and you want to hear why. stay tuned. the modest first floor bedroom in tallinn, estonia and the southbound bus barreling down i-95. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more. dell is honored to be part of some of the world's great stories. that began much the same way ours did. in a little dorm room -- 2713. ♪ this magic moment ♪
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welcome back. when hundreds of thousands of egyptians filled tahir square during the arab spring many dreamed of democracy but the latest news coming out of cairo is troubling. egypt's military leaders have formally charged 20 journalists with aiding terrorists.
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chief international correspondent christiane amanpour says journalists everywhere should be angry about what's happening there. i spoke with her a short time ago. christian, thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure. >> the head of al jazeera english says that this current situation is a threat to journalism itself. do you agree it's that serious? >> look, i really do agree. look, we have an unprecedented number of journalists in egypt, foreign and domestic, who have been charged with, get this, terrorism. i mean, give me a break. it is the last refuge of an authoritarian dictatorial regime whether in egypt or wherever it is who doesn't want the truth told. what's happening in egypt is that journalists, whether they be from al jazeera, cnn, bbc, or, indeed, egyptian journalists are being forced into partisan positions. if you do not follow slavishly the military government line in egypt, you are deemed a
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terrorist. if you try to be objective in your coverage, you are deemed a terrorist. i mean, it is terrible what's happening there. it is silencing the truth. >> to hear charges of aiding terrorists that must have a chilling effect on the journalists still there trying to cover that story. >> exactly.. that's why there is little objective journalism coming out of there. i said two camps but it's one camp right now. people have been forced to take sides in order to be safe and not to go to prison. wherever you look, journalists are in the crosshairs more than i have ever experienced. >> why does it matter that journalists are in the crosshairs? >> well, it matters a lot because as though we may be viewed as pesky, unwelcome intruders, whether in western democracies or in dictatorships, we are the people who go out there with a mission to tell the
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truth. it is actually as simple as that. we are the people who uncover corruption and injustice and try to tell the world what is going on. we are the eyes and ears, the eyewitnesses to what is going on in the world at the time. >> one of the al jazeera journalists is in prison, mohammed fami. used to work at cnn. did you ever cross paths with him? >> i did. he's done a lot of producing work for me, my program, as well as when i was on the ground in egypt. and again, for 38 days, he was held in jail along with some of the others, and was not charged. no access to family or lawyers. he apparently has an injury in his shoulder, and he has not been able to have any medical care. by any standards, this is a violation of every law and of all decency. and this is just a journalist. it is not somebody out there with a weapon other than his camera and his pencil.
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and it is just utterly unacceptable, and these people must be released. our governments, particularly those who have major dealings with egypt and upon whom egypt relies ought to be reading the egyptian authorities the riot act over this. >> christiane, thank you for putting the spotlight on this for us. >> thanks, brian. thank you. >> knell carter up next with leno to fallon. [ male announcer ] did you know
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welcome back. here's a question -- why in the world would any network fire its number-one star twice? talking act jay leno and nbc. this was his last week hosting "the tonight show." i talked to the guy who literally wrote the book, bill carter of "the new york times," about what went wrong. welcome, bill. >> nice to be with you, brian. >> nbc tried this once before. a few years ago you wrote about
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this, it backfired so badly. why do you think they're trying this again? >> it really is the same motivation, which is find another generation of host. and i think they jumped the gun on jay the last time. they said we'll give you five more years. >> that was 2004. >> by then he's bound to be wrapping up, maybe he won't be number one anymore. but he was. that sort of defied expectations, so they were stuck. they'd already guaranteed the show to conan and they were in a box and went ahead with this crazy idea, which was invented by your present boss, mr. zucker. to put him in prime time. it wound up not working. >> is there a difference with jimmy fallon versus conan o'brien? is jimmy better than conan was? >> better is relative. people like a comedian for certain things. i think both guys are funny. conan always made me laugh. jimmy makes me laugh. there's a feeling at nbc that
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fallon is a broader talent, has a broader appeal. we'll see if it's true. they certainly felt conan could do it. his people would tell you if he had more time he would have done it. i think there's more confidence at nbc that fallon has a broader based appeal than conan did. >> maybe they've learned from the mistakes five years ago? >> how do you learn until you see what happens? we don't know. we can't tell. i think they feel more confident than they did. by the way, jay was younger then too. he was 59. now he's 63. it does seem like a time for maybe that decision to be made. i can remember another time number-one guy was taken off, walter cronkite was number one. they forced him off the air because he had hit 65. it has happened before. >> was that the right choice in retrospect? >> actually, dan rather did win far while. but, you know, it certainly has always been a difficult decision to make when does a guy need to be replaced just because of his age, not because of his appeal or talent. >> let's put it into perspective being number one.
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so hard to get to first place and once you're in it, you want to hang on as long as you can. >> yes. the one thing you can say about jay is that was his goal to stay number one and he did it all the way to the end. i think, you know, as much as he gets criticism for certain things about his act, you have to say he succeeded at what he wanted to be, the top guy in late night. >> for nbc, why not wait until his pom lair ti starts to wane? >> who says that will ever happen? i think they didn't no -- didn't make the move after he started to slide because then you lose the audience. johnny was number one when he left. that was on his own terms but he was number one. i think you have to make the move before the guy starts to fade. >> making television network executive live sound very difficult. >> it's neve easy, but they're well paid. >> you're the world's authority on this. you've written two books about late night. is this a good move? >> i think it is. i think fallon is a good talent,
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the right talent. jay has said the same thing. i do think he's the right guy. >> he has been very generous to jimmy in interviews. >> he was generous to conan. he's not going to say something foolish. i knew at the time jay was uncomfortable with that. i think he's more comfortable with this because of the timing. would he stay if he was asked? of course he would. he never wants to stop working. but i think he recognizes this makes sense, they've done it the right way, he's supportive of fallon and i think fallon has a very good chance to be the number one guy. >> that's all for "reliable sources." "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. safety, skiing, and politics. today, games on in russia. >> within the boundaries of sochi, within the so-called ring of steel, there's a lot of security. >> on the ground in sochi, the former secretary of homeland security and head of the u.s.