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awarded $20,000 to each of the survivors of the camp for their hardship and loss of property. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello, everyone. the top of the hour. "reliable sources" will start in one minute. i'm fredricka whitfield live in atlanta with the check of our top stories right now. people in ukraine's captain today are looking at an uncertain future. less than 24 hours ago, a series of huge shifts in the country ended with a passionate speech from opposition leader yulia tymoshenko. she was released from jail earlier just by matter of hours and president viktor yanukovych was voted out of office apparently trying to leave ukraine last night. now no one knows where he is. a restaurant manager is dead after a carbon monoxide leak last night at a legal seafood restaurant in a new york mall.
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nearly 30 others were taken to a hospital. among those treated were four ambulance workers and three police officers. investigators are looking at the restaurant's heating equipment. and one of the world's most notorious drug lords is behind bars after a nearly 13-year manhunt. joaquin el chapo guzman was captured. he is the alleged head of the sinaloa cartel, a group that has been blamed for the kidnapping and murders of rival drug gangs and police officers. the taliban is breaking off talks for a prisoner exchange with the u.s. american officials are negotiating for the release of this man, u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl, but a spokesman for the militants say a, quote, complex political situation is the reason for them freezing the talks. the taliban wants five prisoners at guantanamo bay released. coming up in the newsroom at 2:00 eastern time, we'll have the final medal count from the
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winter olympic games in sochi. can team usa overtake the russians on the last day of competition? i'm fredricka whitfield. "reliable sources" starts right now. good morning. from new york city. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." we have a terrific program ahead for you today, a whole lot of stories. here's what's coming up. why can't journalists call out hate and prejudice when it's staring them in the face? >> communist nurtured subhuman mongrel. >> when the news turns ugly, reporters need to grow a backbone. then, stories that don't have two sides. scientists all over the world agree climate change is real and it's here. but on television, you never know it. and donald trump. he pretends to run for office and reporters keep covering him. but when one person calls out his bluff the donald goes ballistic. don't we ever learn?
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oh, yeah. sometimes we do. >> let's talk about not talking about that guy. donald trump. the press rarely passes up a chance to cover the donald, on fox and friends every monday, a standing invitation there. in my opinion this network sometimes takes him too seriously. constant presence on twitter getting into fights which result in more coverage. the real estate mogul and ralty tv star and hawker of presidential birth certificate myths was taken down on buzzfeed by the writer mckay who got to hang out with trump at a political speech in new hampshire, flew on trump's plane and spent the night at trump's passion in palm beach, florida. trump was expecting a glowing profile but got this, the quote, trump's political career a long con the billionaire has perpetrated on the country for 25 years by repeatedly pretending to consider various runs for office finally appears
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to be on the brink of collapse. the reason, nobody seems to believe him anymore. trump was livid. he got rid of the aide who talked him into doing the interview, attacked buzzfeed, attacked coppins wife. at the mansion he showed a picture of his wife and baby he said that's a good looking woman. trump took that back and claimed this on twitter. that coppens was a slob of a reporter who doesn't understand my sarcasm talking about him and his wife who wrote a foolish and boring trump hit? boring? i think not. it raises an important question, why have reporters taken trump's political flirtations so seriously for so long? will they just finally say no now? joining me here are mckay coppens and maggie haberman a political reporter for politico. maggie, since you have written stories about trump over the years, i want to start with you, do you think we're at the point he shouldn't be taken seriously
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as a political figure? >> i think when he fake ran for president as we would put it in 2011 because he never ran, he never declared, what he did tap into was a real sentiment in the republican party base that the other candidates weren't tapping into. there was a reason the numbers went high, a reason he was covered. i would argue this gubernatorial flirtation is a mistake, hard to take seriously. >> the new york governorship. >> and the person who seems to be helping the most is andrew cue more the current governor, donald trump is having a debate of somebody thinking, rob easterino. i think you will see diminishing returns on this for trump, less and less coverage, but for trump the dissonance is between the new york media and that crewsy bell which he was used to and the national media he got exp e exposed to in 2011 and i don't think he's adjusted. >> do you agree with that, it
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was worthy of coverage in 2011? >> i think so. i mean, the thing that you have to remember is that in 2011, virtually every serious republican candidate made the trek up to trump tower to kiss his ring. right. they wanted his endorsement. he managed to get, you know, mitt romney to go up on stage with him and accept the endorsement in person. so there -- he was a real player in 2012. i do think, though, that there was kind of a sharp -- shark jump moment for the end of that cycle. there were many shark jump moments. by the end really everyone on all sides of the aisle especially in the press were rolling their eyes. and so i think that by going forward the gubernatorial thing, 2016, i just don't see it getting the same kind of play it used to? >> in your piece you acknowledge how meta this is, talking about whether he should be covered. what was your reason for wanting to write a long profile of him? >> i admit at the top of the story i'm part of the problem and have been part of the
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problem. i think that actually what drew me to this, i mean partly i wanted to call out the long con as i call it. more interesting to me was what is it that makes this billionaire who's already famous, rich, so obsessed with getting the political class to take him seriously, right? why is he so interested in this. >> and you concluded what? >> my conclusion was that, you know, at the end of the day, he's already done real estate, he's already done reality tv. he has fame. what he wants is credibility. what he wants is for at least some segment of the population to look at him as a serious person. and the problem and kind of great tragedy of him is that he doesn't know how to do that. >> he is a tremendous manipulator of the media, always has been and i don't say manipulator as pejorative. he knows how to work it. >> he can teach others how to do it. >> correct. this has been one of his really impressive characteristics. i will say to mckay's thing, saying he's part of the problem, we now have a big twitter fight where trump is attacking mckay and some of these tweets have
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gone too far. >> on for days. >> it's getting buzzfeed attention, trump attention, people want to read about trump. that doesn't mean they're going to vote for him. at the end of the day people want to read about him or mckay would not be reading about it or you would not see tweets be a about how irrelevant the guy is. >> the key distinction he thinks this gets him credibility. everybody pointing and laughing at limb doesn't necessarily made him a more credible political figure. >> entertainers are pointed at to be laughed at. >> i tried to do that with my piece. i don't think anyone came away reading that thinking we should take him any more seriously than we have been. i think that in the future, people are not going to stop writing about him, right. i think that in the context of a political campaign, yeah, i think the political press could do a little better. this is myself included. making clear that this is not a real political candidate, not a
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real political figure, this is a side show. >> mag ki, you raise a good point about the new york governorship. if he does go further down that road maybe there's a difference between that and these threats to run for president in the past. >> if he runs for governor he is running for something and that all goes away. it stops becoming this is a fake candidacy which is what everyone is saying on twitter, that's been the heart of this issue. i am skeptical that he's going to run for governor. i think at the end of the day it's going to be rob or some lesser known candidate who challenges cuomo. again, some of this is also to be put candidly on the new york republican party which is sort of entertaining this in the first place. it's not really just the media's fault when you members of the state senate and state assembly and county chairs who all as mckay's said, trek to trump tower to kiss the ring and do some dance here, we -- are we obligated to cover that or not cover that? that is the other question here. >> he's also still flirting with the idea of president, at least on twitter wrote this the other
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day, someone wrote to him and say why are you not running for president in 2016 hp he couldn't resist saying, we'll see what happens. there again, injecting himself into this will he/won't he sort of debate. >> right. even when i was with him he tried to convince me this was a real possibility, he was going to do it this time. the moment we can appropriately start taking him seriously as a presidential threat is when he has filed papers and giving speeches to sweaty crowds in iowa. until that moment we just treat it like a side show. >> since your profile came out you've been attacked by him and his yes men as you call them. what kind of names have they called you? what has it been like? it makes you think about whether this guy can ever be a serious candidate if he treats reporters the way he's treated you. >> there's been a long line of politicians especially here in new york who have made their bones picking on reporters. so i don't know if that -- >> for sure. >> excludes him from running. but yeah, i mean it's been nasty but as i expected trump fights
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dirty and really the whole -- all the blowback and everything he's done, kind of confirms the premise of my story he's a little thin skinned and takes this stuff very, very seriously. >> i'm going to put up -- >> i want to put up a tweet from david korn who wrote this the downside to the trump/mckay cur fulle is the real donald trump may steer clear of the media his hash tag was oh, no. will trump dodge the press for a little bit? >> i don't think trump is going to host anyone on his plane again any time soon. at the end of the day trump and the media have a symbiotic relationship and that will continue. >> thank you for bheerg and having a meta conversation about not covering donald trump. >> thank you. >> when i come back i'll be t talking about what is arguably the biggest story in the world and some keep getting it wrong. stick around. you'll want to hear this. yeah... try new alka seltzer fruit chews.
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welcome back to "reliable sources." let's begin with an important journalistic statement something i mentioned in the last segment some stories don't have two sides. some stories are simply true. no necessity to give equal time to the quote/unquote other side. one of these climate change. depending on which study or expert you consult between 95 and 97% of scientists agree the climate change is happening now, that it's damaging the planet and manmade. that seems pretty definitive, right? why does television news feel compelled to stage debate between those who represent the 97% and those who represent the fringe? case in point last week's "meet the press." david gregory interviewed bill ney the science guy, not a scientist, and congresswoman marcia black burn a skeptic with no particular expertise in this subject. whatever "meet the press" was trying to accomplish i don't
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think they did it. joining me to talk about this and climate change more broadly, mickey the named physicist cbs news contributor and author of books "the future of the mind" out next week and jack, a senior editor at "the huffington post" who covers the media world titled "meet the press how not to cover climate change." you're the expert here. tell us how definitive is the evidence, any room for debate? >> climate change is the 800 pound gorilla in the living room that media dances around but in the scientific community it's a settled question. 95% of scientists believe this is happening with 100% confidence temperatures are rising. with 90% confidence we believe is human activity and not natural cycles that is driving the increase in temperature on the earth. >> when you see a television segment that features a denier, how do you feel? do you feel that network or
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newspaper or website do you feel they're being irresponsible? >> it's a free country. however they should present the facts that is that the overwhelming majority of scientists who have studied the question believe the temperatures on the planet are rising and if there are skeptics let them present their computer program so we can pick it apart and less us understand because science is touchable, reproduceable and false fible. >> and you don't see people who are skeptics presenting those programs? >> i see them giving no numerical results. we present our computer programs, they're testable, they present unfortunately mainly ideology, they're looking at a scientific question through an ideological litmus test which is not responsible journalism. >> before we get into "meet the press" in particular, jack, what do you make of the amount of coverage of climate change in general? often times i read on-sites like yours and others about the complaints about lack of coverage in the press.
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>> there is a lack of coverage in the press by and larges especially on television. media matters just a few weeks ago did a study looking at all of the broadcast news coverage of climate change. they found that on the sunday shows in all of 2013, there was 27 minutes total combined on the big four shows on snbs, cbs, abc and fox. one show "meet the press" did no coverage at all. "face the nation" on cbs had the most. the broadcast evening news shows covered it more probably because they do more coverage of extreme weather events and so when you talk about extreme weather often you find yourself talking about climate change. by and large we're talking about a huge issue really under covered on our major outlets. >> and so we would think as we have last week, three of those sunday shows covering the topic think that would be a god thing. >> right. >> you said it wasn't. why is that? >> well, i really focused on "meet the press," "face the
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nation" and "this week" did coverage. "face the nation's" was especially good. what those two shows did that "meet the press" didn't do was they talked to scientists. they both talked to either climate scientists or meteorologists. "meet the press" had a debate which the other two shows really didn't in the same way, about whether climate change is happening. even though the host david gregory started out by saying that he didn't want to have a debate, he still brought on someone who denied that climate change was happening in the first place. >> right. he said he wanted to talk about the policy, get beyond whether it's happening or not, but having a skeptic on they seemed to get muzled in the issues that have been debated endlessly. >> it makes a lot of sense if you don't want to have a debate about the facts, you don't bring on people whose primary focus in the segment is going to be to debate the facts about whether climate change exists or not. it was -- >> why do you think shows are compelled to do this?
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journalism in general is compelled to find the other side to create what people call false balance? >> i think these shows, they usually cover politics and they're usually covering, you know, the clash between democrats and republicans. >> right. that's a formula that works pretty well. >> but once you get out of certain issues, you know, you can talk about well should we raise taxes or should we lower taxes and that's a real ideological battle you can have, but when as you say, you're talking about something that actually doesn't have much debate around it, such as whether climate change is real, then i think these shows struggle to be so definitive about something and really break out of the paradigm they set themselves up with a lot. >> doctor, what are the risks that are involved in false balance? what happens when people hear two competing sides of something that doesn't really have two competes sides? >> there are real consequences for agriculture for our cities and the economy. i travel in europe a lot -- >> because people come away with confusion about the issue?
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>> they don't plan for the future. in europe it's a settled question. global warming climate change is a reality and they prepare for it. in amsterdam, how do you prepare for the dikes and levies. in venice, what happens if venice goes under water. if you're in switzerland what's going to happen to the tourist industry. they're looking at concrete consequences. in this country we have to worry about agriculture. summers are getting longer, wiptsers shorter. we have to worry about drought, potential water wars. potential new hurricanes like sandy. whether or not we should brace ourselves with new levees and seawalls. as a consequence we're not going to be prepared for the future. >> you're saying it's not taking place at all and jack you're saying when it does take place in the case of "meet the press" they go about it all wrong. >> right. i think there is definitely a debate to be had what to do about climate change and that's an important debate. >> doctor, do you think there's
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some room at the table for skeptics? if i was to write a story about this topic in, quote, nine scientists who believe it's happening should i be quoting one who is a skeptic or is this so settled there's no room at all for something like that? >> scientifically speaking it's a settled question. the averager. out there hears the skeptics an the person with the arguments have to be addressed. they're out there anyway. in the scientific community it's pretty much settled. in the court of public opinion it is not yet settled. it's good to present the balance but you have to say that with 95% of the scientific community behind this theory, it has more weight than another theory. >> language matters here so much. do you think the term global warming is one that reporters and anchors should avoid using because it conyours up the idea just of climate of the climate getting warmer as opposed to the idea of extremes? >> that's right. global warming is actually a misnomer. it should be global extremes and global swings because you -- as
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you add more energy into the atmosphere it sloshes around. energy doesn't simply uniformly warm up the planet. and that means droughts in one area, enormous snowstorms in another area, 100 year floods here, 100 year forest fires here. it's becoming monotonous. 100 year x every ten years. >> do you find journalists in general the ones that interview, do they have enough knowledge and background to explain this to their audiences or are they lacking some of the scientific background they should have? >> i think they're lacking the background and they get intimidated. the skeptics are not fools, not stupid people. they read a lot but then they put it in an ideological context and they see everything through this lens and they don't do the homework. they don't do the computer programs. they don't krits seek the mathematics. for us there's nothing to debate. we cannot debate them because they have no programs, no data no farm laformulas, nothing but ideology.
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>> thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> i have to take a quick break. when we come back an important story i think has been gravely undercovered. even has been shrouded in mystery. one of the mysteries of the afghan war and we'll share it in a moment. ♪ [ female announcer ] most of the time it's easy to know which option is better. other times, not so much. so it's good to know that mazola corn oil has 4 times more cholesterol blocking plant sterols than olive oil. and a recent study found that it can help lower cholesterol 2 times more. take care of those you love and cook deliciously. mazola makes it better. of the dusty basement at 1406 35th street the old dining table at 25th and hoffman. ...and the little room above the strip mall off roble avenue. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more.
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now to a regular segment on this program, undercover where we look at stories that merit more attention than they're getting in the national media. start with a name, bowe bergdahl. ever heard of him before? i'm sure some of you have. his name came up in the news this week for the first time in a long time. but many americans i venture to say most haven't heard of this
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man. he's a prisoner of war, america's only prisoner of war. why don't we hear more about him? he's 27 years old, from idaho, deployed to afghanistan in may 2009, captured less than two months later. since then he's been seen in a number of taliban propaganda videos like this one. >> every day i want to go home. the pain in my heart to see my family again doesn't get any smaller. get me -- release me, please. i'm begging you. bring me home. bring us all home. back to our families. >> very hard to watch. there's a lot more to this story than often told. many ways it's a mystery. my next guest jake tapper has been following this case for years an author of book titled "the outpost." thank you for being here.
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>> thanks, brian. >> it was a segment on your show "the lead" that got me thinking why we don't hear about bowe bergdahl more often. what do you think are the main reasons this p.o.w. doesn't gain more attention in the national media? >> it's a complicated story to begin with. probably the main reason that stories of americans being held captive either by foreign nations or groups like the taliban, the main reason is because generally speaking the u.s. government and the families often request that the media not cover it because the more you cover it, the more power you are theoretically giving to those holding the american prisoner or hostage. that's not always the case. sometimes families ask the media to cover it because they feel the u.s. government isn't doing enough, but when negotiations are starting to heat up the media is requested to not cover the story and quite often the media does that because
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obviously we're americans, human beings, we want the person's end to captivity as well. >> tell me if i'm wrong but the muddied circumstances of this man's capture as outlined by michael hastings in "rolling stone" a couple years ago seemed like they're not the traditional kind of story you hear about p.o.w. in any war. he was disillusioned with the war, apparently walked off the base, that led some people to call him a desserter. do you think those are -- because the story is muddied is that one of the reasons it doesn't get more attention? >> absolutely. the fact is you mentioned michael hastings and he got some e-mails that bowe bergdahl sent to his family, e-mails that suggested that he wasn't just disillusioned with the war, he had become -- he turned against the war. he didn't think the war was a good idea. he left the base on his own. the american military does not refer to him as a p.o.w. they refer to him as missing. >> that's an interesting detail they couldn't call him a p.o.w.,
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why the country doesn't realize there's a p.o.w. >> one of the reasons i would think. and the murky circumstances of why he left the base that night, definitely makes the story different than other p.o.w. stories where a soldier on a mission is captured by the enemy. it's different. that's not to say that he shouldn't be freed. the u.s. government shouldn't be doing everything it can. but in terms of how much his cause has taken root among activi activists, i think that's one of the reasons why you haven't seen outside of his family and some troops and veterans, a huge push. i think some of those people who would normally be supporters, normally be calling for the u.s. government to be doing more, they are relatively quiet. >> has it been hard to book members of the family, for example, if you've tried to reach out for them for interviews? q. have they stayed quiet through the years? >> the father pops up here and
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there. he -- but generally is tough to book. he's difficult to book. and i imagine the reason he is tough to book is because of what we mentioned at the top of the segment just the idea that you don't want to do anything to jeopardize what might be going on if you empower his captors in any way, if they feel like oh, look, the american people are really paying allot of attention to this, we can demand not just three prisoners from guantanamo, but ten, that can scotch things and so that obviously complicates things. we should mention that negotiating with terrorists which is what the u.s. would have to do in order to negotiate for bowe bergdahl's release, that's something the u.s. doesn't like to acknowledge that it does. because the fear is it will empower and encourage other terrorists to take americans hostage. >> and the last thing the government wants is if it is
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secretly negotiating is any coverage of that. and we have seen headlines about that in the last few days. last question before we go, i wonder if one of the other reasons that -- one of the overarching reasons for the lack of attention on a story like this is the lack of attention toward the war in general. you just don't see that much coverage of the afghan war on television or even in the newspapers these days. >> you and i have talked about this before. it's something we try to fix on my show "the lead" as often as we can talking about troops, talking about veterans. but look, the sad fact is, that the american people are very weary of war. we have been involved in a war since 2001. it's now 2014. and a lot of these stories are sad stories and the american people have grown weary of them. that doesn't mean we in the media don't have an obligation to tell them as much as possible in terms of what americans can't do, the most recent story we did about veterans had to do with a new program having to do with
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service dogs helping out wounded veterans, but it does make the task more difficult because you want to be telling stories that help you sell newspapers, attract viewers and right now the american people and obviously i think this is not a good thing, the american people have largely tuned this war out. >> and there are excellent sources for the information you're describing but it's hard to find because people tune it out. thank you for joining me on this. >> thank you, brian. >> time for a quick break. when i come back a moral dilemma for journalists. why don't we call it what it is. >> a chicago communist raised, communist educated, communist nurtured subhuman mongrel. >> that's hate speech.'ll dive minutes. [ chicken caws ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight,
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welcome back to "reliable sources" what is it with texas politicians and the has been rock guitarist ted nugent. greg abbott has been campaigning with him and ted cruz considered campaigning with him too. as far as i'm concerned that's appalling. by now you've probably heard what nugent said about president obama. but if not let me play you the clip. >> i have obviously failed to galvanize and prod and not shame enough americans to be ever vigilant not to let a chicago communist raised, communist educated, communist nurtured subhuman mongrel like the acorn
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community organizer gangster barack hussein obama to weasel his way into the top office of authority of the united states of america. . >> somehow nugent managed to stick every paranoid right wing rant against the president into one sound bite. let's put aside politics for a moment and talk about journalists. shouldn't journalists call this for what it is? not some ramblingings of a colorful texas character but hate speech. that's what it is, hate speech. one journalist did stand up this week and i found what he said to be inspiring. here's what wolf blitzer said. >> do they know the history of that phrase, subhuman mongrel? that's what the nazis called jews leading up and during world war ii to justify the genocide of the community, they called them subhuman mongrels if you read some of the literature that the nazis put out. there's a long history there of that specific phrase he used involving the president of the
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united states. >> so why aren't more journalists showing backbone saying this is not the time for objectivity, there is nothing objective about outright prejudice. joining me to talk about this is kristi hoppy, bureau chief of the dallas morning news. one of my producers referred this to click bait. click the link or watch the segment but it's not appropriate for journalists to be a repeating and giving attention to it. what do you say to that? should journalists call this what it is? >> i think it is important because to judge a politician -- some of it is the company they keep and i think greg abbott made a decision to appear with ted nugent for three reasons. gun, guns, guns. he liked ted nugent's stance on the second amendment and highlight a difference between him and his opponent wendy davis who has an ambivalent feeling
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about the second amendment than greg abbott does. he -- his staff dropped the ball, they didn't look at google, they didn't see these other statements by ted nugent and they thought everybody would just look at the guns and not at the whole picture. >> so you're saying it is deserving of attention because this leading candidate for governor is making it deserving of attention. >> right. the governor is -- of texas and the next one will be a national figure, just like rick perry was, just like george bush was, just like ann richards was. they are the leader of a large economically strong state that has a lot of pull in this nation and they get a spotlight on the things they do and greg abbott didn't expect the spotlight to spread as wide as it did when we're looking at ted nugent and who he chooses to appear with. >> have you seen any journalists in texas take a stand and speak out against this language of ted nugent? do you think more should.
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>> i have seen columnist and editorial writers take fierce stands. there's no doubt when you call somebody a subhuman mongrel, that's a dog whistle with braces and in a -- in a republican party that needs especially in texas to reach out to the minority community and growing minority community, ands in a governor's race where the suburban woman will be an important vote this was a huge misstep and that's one of the reasons that got so much attention. this was a fail. >> in one of your stories you quote greg abbott saying i don't think there's anyone in the state disliked more than barack obama. shifting attention away from news than barack obama. do you see any signs that the campaign regrets the appearance with -- the appearances with nugent? backtracking at all from this? >> quietly they feel like that it was a mistake. at the same time, we're texas. we like to say that and things happen big here and the truth of the matter is, politics in texas
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has always been a contact sport. so you know, it's -- we have big characters and big races and a lot of fur flying. we're used to some national attention. >> thank you so much for joining me and sharing something with us. >> thank you, brian. we'll be back with more "reliable sources" in a moment.
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welcome back to "reliable sources." now i want to show you a movie clip, one that's played on television thousands of times but it really never gets old. in fact, the most chilling thing
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about it is how current it feels. even though the movie network was made almost 40 years ago. watch. >> so, i want you to get up now. i want all of you to get up out of your chairs. i want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, i'm as mad as hell and i'm not going to take this anymore. >> that's the actor peter fitch and his tirade as outraged news anchor howard beale in the 1976 film wrstill resonates today. that's the most remarkable thing about this movie today, how much that character reminds you of people on television now. how much does it remind you of bill o'reilly or chris mathews or to be fair, maybe piers morgan on this network? don't get me wrong here, all of them are talented journalists and i don't think any of them are as crazy as the howard beale character but it's a
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big part of television now. how did he know? how did he know the future of news looked like that decades before it happened? my next guest is a culture reporter at "the new york times," my former colleague and the author of "that is hell -- the making of network and the fateful vision of the angriest man in movies." thanks for being here. >> reunited and it feels so good. >> that's right. you wrote about the making of the network years ago. this book is the result of that. how did paddy know? how did he foresee all television news the way he did? >> it comes from a couple things in hiss career. certainly he got his start as tv writer in what we consider the golden age. he's writing "marty," which became an academy award-winning film. then he kind of wanders in the desert, working in theater, motion pictures, trying to get back into tv but never satisfied with the work he was doing. in the mid-70s, he's using his
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entertainment clout to get access to go behind the scenes at the news divisions of all the major networks. >> abc, nbc, cbs. >> exactly. they're letting him walk around and observe and see how he does business. they don't know what kind of script he'll write. he doesn't even know. but he turns it into something that's deeply satirical and really does kind of -- it's the story we know of a crazy an korman at a fourth-place net work that just wants to do anything it can to get people's attention. >> you interviewed a bunch of current anchors, bill o'reilly, stephen colbert. did any of them see themselves? what did they tell you? >> they say their xetd or thes are howard behl, not them. but they embrace the idea something about television news itself clearly changed in the era after network. very helpful was keith olbermann, a huge fan of the film. i believe it came out when he was in college. something happened in the 1980s
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before cable came to dominate. but something the film anticipated wz news could not be a loss leader for the networks anymore. >> it had to make a profit just like anything else on the network. >> exactly. that's when news became part of entertainment. that's what happens in the film. you have the old-school newsman, faye dunaway the new-school entertainment executive and she wins in the end. >> we see time and time again in surveys and anecdotes we can get all over that people want more straight news, serious news, the kind that gets harder and harder to find. is that one of the messages of the movie? >> i think the film is in some ways -- it's vividly a commentary on media, but it's a larger story about alienation. the media has a vehicle for that. there is also the love story between holden and faye dunaway and how they're, you know, driven apart and corrupted. you know, pad ti, the central character of the book, he was a very deeply feeling man. he was very attuned to a lot of things that were going wrong in the country. a little bit of a paranoid
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person as well. >> which caused him drama during the making of the film. >> exactly. hefls literally on et every single day, unheard of for a screenwriter. in some ways he even had more authority than the director to really say this is how i want each scene shot. you know, if you said even one word of a line of dialogue wrong he was there to make sure that you said it the way he wrote it. >> thanks for being here. >> great to see you again. >> we'll be back with more "reliable sources." [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose... suddenly you're a mouthbreather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. peace of mind is important when so we provide it services you. bucan rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure.
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that's it for this week's "reliable sources" on television. check out all the stories we have on including complete coverage of facebook's jaw-dropping $19 billion acquisition of whattsapp this week. and my interview with the author of "mad as hell." also a recap of jimmy fallon's debut on "the tonight show" and my story about how the olympics helped the today show finally win a week in the ratings. why abc should not be celebrating that. "good morning america" still the country's top-rated morning show. find that on the "reliable sources" blog on thanks for watching. stay tuned for a news update at cnn headquarters in atlanta. hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield live in the cnn world headquarters in atlanta with a check of top
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stories. we begin with news in from the ukraine. opposition leader yulian tim chain coe released from jail this weekend says she does not want to be the country's next leader. she spent more than two years in prison and addressed a cheering crowd last night. and president viktor yanukovych, who was voted out of office, apparently tried to leave the ukraine last night. now no one know where is he is. the gold-medal hockey game was one of the highlights of this last day of the olympics competition. canada wins. the russians weren't even in it. but russia won the overall medal count with 33. team usa finished second with 28. and drivers, start your engines. in just about an hour from now the daytona 500 begins. the annual race kicks off the nascar season. 43 drivers are vying for a win today. among them reigning nascar champion jimmie johnson. and a restaurant manager is dead after a carbon monoxide
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leak last night in new york. among those treated were four ambulance workers and three police officers. investigators are looking at the restaurant's heating equipment. coming up next hour, politicians like to pretend they can't be influenced. but what about when the lobbyist is a son or daughter or eve an husband or wife? plenty of lawmakers apparently don't see anything wrong with that. do you? that's coming up at 2:00 eastern time. i'm fredricka whitfield. "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. food for thought this sunday morning -- 4 of the last 6 presidents were governors first. today, from new england, the midwest and the southwest, hear them roar. >> it is time for washington to focus on the few things that the constitution establishes as the federal government's role. get out of the health care business. get out of the education business.