that wehby won't be ready for a top-tier senate race. that's it for "inside politics," thanks for sharing your sunday morning, especially on this special weekend when we remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice that allowed these feisty political debates. "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. young, disaffected and angry, a killing rampage in california. today a familiar heartbreaking tragedy and a singular mix of disbelief and grief. >> you don't think it will happen to your child until it does. >> we'll have the latest from isla vista with the sheriff leading the investigation. then d-day at the va. >> i want every veteran to know we're going to fibs everything that's wrong. >> we haven't just let them down, we let them die. >> who is we and what are they

going to do about it? the mess with the chairman of the senate and house veterans affairs committees. plus. >> if he knows that little about what's going on in his own investigation, i recommend he get reengaged. >> the president believes his year of action is a stroll along the sidelines. the president's management style with our political panel. finally, remember the fallen and failing the survivors. a veteran on memorial day. >> memorial day is one of the loneliest, one of the loneliest holidays that we have. >> a conversation with u.s. army vet and executive producer of the documentary "coming back," wes moore. this is "state of the union." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning from washington, d.c., i'm candy crowley. we begin today near the campus of uc santa barbara. six people are dead and 13

injured. the killer posted disturbing videos to social media prompting a relative to contact police who did a welfare check on april 30th. police found what would be a future killer to be at that time polite and courteous and determined he did not meet the criteria for an involuntary hold. i'm joined by sheriff bill brown of santa barbara county. he is in charge of the investigation. sheriff, first of all, i know these are trying times. we appreciate your time this morning. do you have outstanding pieces of this puzzle that you don't know, or do you think you have the full story? >> we're still wrapping up some details, finalizing the notification of next of kin and the positive identification of the remaining victims who were fatally injured by the suspect. so there's a few loose ends that are going to be wrapped up probably today or tomorrow. then it will begin the lengthy process of putting all the

pieces of this puzzle together in terms of the investigative aftermath. but for the most part, we have a pretty clear picture of what happened. >> have you been able to talk at any length with the parents of the shooter? >> our investigators have been in contact with his parents. >> but you haven't interviewed them at this point. you've been in contact with them but they have not been part of an interview? >> they have been interviewed and they were notified on friday night that he was dead in the aftermath of this incident. >> when you look at these youtube videos, some of which were available before the welfare check the police had done, can you use those or can you see those in the advance of the well sfaer check on him. i'm trying to think if there was

someplace in this system that might have been able to see this young man as deeply troubled. >> my understanding of what happened on the april 30th welfare check was that a third party had actually contacted our mental health department here in santa barbara county. someone from the mental health department had contacted a relative of mr. rodger. the real stif indicated there was some concern about his well-being. the person from the mental health department had then contacted our agency and asked that we conduct a welfare check to determine if he was a danger to himself or anyone else. deputies from the sheriff's office contacted him. they found him to be rather shy and timid, polite, well spoken. he explained to the deputies that it was a misunderstanding

and that he was -- although he was having some social problems, it was unlikely he was going to continue to be a student here and was probably going to go home. he was able to convince them that he was not at that point a danger to himself or anyone else and wouldn't have met the criteria for an involuntary hold to examine him further. >> sheriff, is there a hole in the system somewhere? what's wrong here? police do law enforcement. i'm sure not all of your policemen are psychiatrists or therapists. what's wrong in this formula of trying to say i really think my child or my son or my roommate, there's something wrong here. what's missing? >> well, i think the fact of the matter is there's a general lack of resources in community mental health treatment generally.

there's also probably a lack of notification by health care professionals in instances where people are expressing suicidal or exerting cases, homicidal thoughts or tendencies. it's a delicate question. it's a delicate balance. you want to certainly intervene and obviously try to prevent a tragedy such as we've experienced here. on the same token. you don't want to stigmatize people who are seeking treatment for mental illness and you don't want to prevent them from doing so because of the potential stigma that's attached. it's a double-edged sword in some respects. it's easy to look at these situations from a monday morning quarterback perspective, but there certainly is a problem and an issue. if you look at tragedies like

we've experienced, the common denominator in almost all of these mass murder situations does appear to be people with severe mental illness who are either untreated or undertreated who have access to firearms and then snap and go off and commit these terrible, terrible crimes. >> sheriff brown, i know you have a busy day ahead as well as the folks who work under you. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, candy. if i could just take a moment to just commend my staff for the incredible way that they responded to this incident, both on the night it occurred and in the investigative aftermath. they've done a magnificent job. there's no question in my mind that the night that it occurred, the resolute and heroic manner that they engaged in suspect in two separate gun battles and put him to flight really resulted in

many lives being saved. he had over 400 rounds of ammunition left and could have killed so many more people and injured so many more people. it's a tremendous testament to the job they did that sgleeching sheriff, thanks so much for your time. i wanted to bring in mary ellen o'toole, a former senior profiler of the fbi. let me put to you the same question. first of all, we believe, and it's being reported, cnn has been found, that this man had been seeing a therapist, psychiatrist, had been seeking mental health help. he does seem to fit, however, when you look at some of his writings in the diary -- let me just set this up. this is from his diary where he wrote "cruel treatment from women is ten times worse than from men. it made me feel like an insignificant, unworthy little mouse. i felt so small and vulnerable. i couldn't believe this girl was so horrible to me and i thought it was because she viewed me as

a loser." there's bullying, isolation, violent video games involved. we've seen it before. >> we have seen it before. we know there are warning behaviors before each of these incidents. these warning behaviors can individually appear to be somewhat benign or maybe better stated pretty typical of a 22-year-old. but it's incumbent upon people that do the threat assessments to take a look at 360 degrees around the person you're doing the assessment on. are they immersed in violent videos? are they keeping a diary? are they making a video? i want to see that stuff. let me know what's going on. if you read that little snippet from his manifesto, that would not raise anybody's interests, frankly. but, if you started to look at the video and the threats of murdering the step-brother and

the stepmother, totally different story. >> out of retribution. the problem i think with this is there seems to be a step missing. something is missing. it does occur to me that almost everything that could be done legally at this point seems to have been done. there was a young man already receiving psychiatric care. the police get a call from a mental health clinic. the mental health folks were involved. the police go over and use their tools and say, you know what, he doesn't fit the criteria for us to be able to lock him up unvoluntarily. what's wrong? >> well, there were a number of steps here that to me in my opinion seem to have been either overlooked or normalized. number one, by the time the welfare check was requested, families know at this point they're already afraid of that person generally. there are many, many years prior to that welfare check of issues which seems to have been the case here. you have roommates that probably observed behavior but didn't

interpret it the right way. you also have mental health people, and eventually that's going to come up. what was it that they didn't see that should have raised their concern? >> one of the things that the sheriff had said in one of his news conferences yesterday was basically these kinds of things are going to happen and there's very little that we can do to prevent it. it reminded me of a time that i spoke with an expert on schizophrenia because we were having some of -- some of the violence -- although most schizophrenics are not violent, we were having some violence. i said how can you tell? he said the best way to tell whether a schizophrenic will be violent or not is previous violence which means maybe there isn't a lot to be done when you watch what we're being told, at least, about this young man and the help that he did get. >> i don't see that. that's not my experience with these cases. there are warning signs along the way.

when i say warning signs, i'm not talking about -- i am talking about getting the guns. we know there's a phenomenon called leakage which is saying something ahead of time about what you're going to do which he did in his manifesto. there will be other signs of leakage. that thinking process, that injustice collecting. that's a term that the fbi came up with in 1999 along with a young man who is thinking suicidely, homicidely, nihilistically. his thinking process goes back to the time he's a teenager. that's when we have to recognize this development into who hates the world, hates humanity. now you've got the warning signs. he's already on a path. we can spot -- these are not impulsive crimes. >> but everybody may not have a full picture. the parents clearly knew he needed help. the police went because that's their job. the mental health authorities say you might check. they didn't check his room.

he even mentions, if they would have checked my room, it would have been over. the fact is you can't grab somebody out of the room because someone has said i'm really worried about this person. >> no. that's what i'm saying. when you get a call and someone is asking for a welfare check -- >> by welfare check, we mean the police checking on their welfare. >> making sure, are you okay? is everything okay? when you talk to these people and listen to them, they can come across in a very convincing way. i'm fine, no worries. you cannot accept just their words. you have to look at behavior. you have to go beyond the fact that they're friendly -- >> maybe not being equipped to do it in the case of police who aren't psychiatrists. many conversations to come i would suspect. thank you so much for your time today. i appreciate it. when we return, president obama says caring for the

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joining me know congressman jeff miller, chairman of the house veterans affairs committee and bernie sanders, he joins us from vermont due to technical difficult it difficults. gentlemen, thank you both. as the oversight committee, we added up the number of hearings together that the two of you have had since 2013, the beginning of the last session. it was well over 90. you had ten joint ones. you have to wonder now looking at this mess, and everyone saying we knew this and knew that, but looking at this mess now, is this not also a failure of oversight, congressman? >> i will tell you our committee in the house has been working on this issue for well over a year.

in fact, i wrote the president in may of 2013 and expressed the issues we had found in regards to wait times. we've had collectively in the house over 70 overnight hearings about issues that range from disability claims and the backlog, the backlog in access to care. sure, everybody is probably culpable in this. we're doing what we've been asked to do. that is to find out the information. >> oversight sort of says to me, senator sanders, that you all are watching these guys. now all of a sudden -- not all of a sudden to you all, but to many people we're learning of these wait times, veterans who are dieing while waiting. and you look and think, well, what good is congressional oversight if you all have been working on it for a year or two years or let's face it, going back a decade. >> candy, let me just jump in

and say that obviously anybody who is gaming the situation, cooking the books, totally unacceptable. clearly there are incompetent administrators, and we've got to deal with that issue as well. but i think one point that sometimes gets lost in the shuffle, candy, and if you speak to veterans and if you speak to the veterans' organizations, you know what they will tell you? they will tell you by and large the quality of care that veterans receive at va hospitals and clinics around this country is good to excellent. i had a hearing a week ago thursday, and that's what the veterans organizations say. >> sure, but if you can't get in, it doesn't do any good that it's great care. >> that is quite right. i think one of the concerns is the va has established a self-imposed goal of getting people into the system in 14 days. that's pretty ambitious, more ambitious in general than the

private sector. i think there are places around the country where they simply do not have the resources to accommodate the fact that 2 million more people have come into the situation stem in recent years. i think some people may be cooking the books to make it look like they're accommodating the 14 days. >> congressman, i wanted to ask you about, let's assume people in the va, particularly those in administrative positions are there because they care about veterans or they care about medicine. they certainly didn't want people to die while waiting for care. let's assume that for a moment. why in the world wouldn't they stand up and say we can't meet this 15 days. we have aging vietnam vets, aging korean vets, a whole new group of vets coming in. we can't possibly meet this? why cook the books? bonuses? what's the rationale? >> bonuses and promotions for sure. i will tell you this, they have had the ability to allow veterans to go outside of the va system for a long period of time and they are just now saying

we're going to start moving forward in that posture. >> senators, why wouldn't they say we can't care for these folks, let's send them over to mass general or wherever? >> i think you've hit the nail on the head. that is the issue. instead of being able to say or saying straightforwardly, we can't get people in in 14 days, it's going to be a month, two months. we need one of those two things, either we relax those requirements which i hope e we don't have to do, or redon't have the resource. if you want 14 days, we'll need more doctors, nurses. certainly nobody should be lying. jeff miller has been talking about accountability. jeff is right. but i think the other area that we have to talk about is 2 million new veterans coming in, some with ptsd, very difficult cases. do we have the staff in all areas of this country to accommodate the needs of those

veterans? frankly, between you and me, i'm not sure we do. the veterans organizations have been telling us loud and clearly that we don't. i suspect they're right. >> congressman miller, if you take the 50,000-foot view and look at this, isn't what's screaming we don't have enough people to care for all these folks at the va? both of you all have pushed for and gotten increases in spending at the va. spending at the va has gone up over the last decade, in particular in the last four or five years doesn't this say to you we're not giving them enough money? if this is really our commitment, we need to plow money into this because there aren't enough doctors, nurses, et cetera? >> what you have is an issue of manipulation and mismanagement. if money was the issue, this problem would have been solved a long time ago. va is not using the resources that they're provided appropriately.

>> like what? >> just recently $500 million to refurbish conference rooms and provide new furnishings, to require veterans to go five hours for surgery to the surgery and five hours back. they're paying for transcription and the cost of the surgery. >> they should be sending them to a closer hospital. >> we've got to move away from a world war ii concept into the 21st century, not tear the va system down. you'll hear people say that's what folks want to do. what we want to do is, number one, give veterans the option to go where they want to get their health care, when they want to get their health care and not be forced into a system that has to have the numbers to survive. >> go ahead, senator. >> let me just jump in to say this. when you have a system and you have to understand how big the system is, they're treating 6.5 million people a year, 230,000 people every single day. is there waste in the system? absolutely. jeff is right. we've got to focus on that.

but at the end of the day when you have 2 million new veterans coming into the system, some with very difficult and complicated problems, i do think we have to take a hard look and see if we have the resources. if we are going to send people off to war, we have a solemn promise to make sure when they come home we'll take care of them. >> -- they can hire more doctors, get more rooms, you think there should be increased money to meet this demand? >> i proposed legislation which unfortunately only got two republicans supporting it in the senate which would have gone a long way to improve health care and other services for our veterans. to answer your question, i suspect we are going to need more funding if we're going to do justice and provide the high quality care that veterans deserve. >> congressman, i'm going to give you the last question. when you look at the fire that

general shinseki has taken as head of the va, would his resignation, firing, whatever you want to call it, accomplish anything? has this become a political football now? >> i wouldn't call it a political football. people want to see accountability. that's what the house of representatives is trying to demand through the bills we passed through our committee and certainly on the house floor. i have said secretary shinseki doesn't need to go until we see the final reports, see exactly how much he knew and when he knew it. the fact remains, the va already knows there are 23 veterans who have died because they were on a waiting list. >> yet you're holding off. i just wonder whether this is now -- you talk about how complicated it is and how big it is and all of these things, and yet it seems like none of that would be cured with hiring the head of the va. >> this is much larger than the secretary of the department of veterans affairs? >> like what? >> you have an entrenched

bureaucracy out there not accountable, shooting for goals, goals not helping the veteran. the person who is supposed to be served is not the bureaucrat. it's the veteran. >> senator sanders, i'm sorry, i'm way over time. that's why i'm saying what happened to oversight. >> let me respond if i could to what jeff was saying. it is an enormously difficult job running a system that large. i think in many ways shinseki has gone a very good job going from paper electronics -- paper claims to electronic claims records in terms of education, homelessness has been reduced. i don't think it's fair to blame shinseki for all the problems. can he do better? yes. we all can do better. every veteran sen titled to health care. >> khan dirks we have 118,000 outstanding requests to department of veterans affairs to the department of oversight and they will not answer. >> can't you just subpoena them?

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joining me penny lee, cory dade, writer of "the take," a political blog at the root. alex castellanos. can i start with, if you have an oversight committee that can't get bureaucrats to come talk to you, does that sort of smack with bureaucracy that's just gone rogue? >> it's about the worst time they need to be holding back, especially the va. this is a moment when they need to be as assertive and transparent as possible. >> i think maybe that's the place to focus. it's easy to blame president

obama now because all of a sudden he's shocked to find he's ignored the va for five years. i'm sure he's going to give himself a very stern talking to here. but the truth is, democrats have tried to fix this and haven't. republicans have tried to fix this and haven't. veterans themselves, shinseki has tried to fix this and haven't. maybe they haven't because they can't. this is an old top-down washington bureaucratic system. imagine if we built a factory to fix your health care, to give your health care. your health care is intimate, personal, different than anybody else's, but a big old washington bureaucracy trying to take care of that. guess what? it just does not work. >> this sounds like the republican approach to government hg. >> because it is. by the way, paul krugman has said welcome to socialized medicine. this is the va. by the way, it works great. guess what? not so great. >> it may not work great, but

apparently the health care is good if you can get in. that's the problem. >> that's the problem. even when we were going through the health care debate, looking at the va model, so many veterans once they get the care, it's specialized and geared toward what their specific injuries are. as the senator was saying earlier, we've had 2 million more people into the system than we've ever had before. i think it's time we reexamine the model. the model is what i think is broken. we need to hold those that are in charge accountable for that. >> let me take just a bit of exception though. 2 million more people? this has been going on for decades. this has been going on forever. again, the more complex something is, the less politicians and bureaucrats can serve you well. >> i don't think this is argument for -- >> yes, it is. >> i'm going to let you get a sentence out here. >> i think -- >> let's open it up. >> i do think we need to look at the president's response here.

this is a president who as a senator was on the veteran affairs committee. he even criticized the bush administration for its inability to bring reforms. >> set those expectations way up here. >> then he campaigned on re-election for making veterans a priority in his administration. he comes out, waits three weeks. and when he comes out and says if these allegations are true -- that is not the kind of optic he wants right now. >> while we're on the subject of optics, we did have his news conference where he talked about, well, i just want to wait. and we did have him announce a new housing secretary, et cetera, et cetera. but i want to show you the other part of his week. he was headed over to the interior and took a stroll on the mall and said hey to tourists. then he went to cooperstown to the baseball hall of fame where he talked about tourism and looked at the museum. then he went up to chicago to fundraise and stopped by a hometown eatery that he really

loves and goes to. cameras there, too. talk to me about optics. >> i would just say just because the president might not have it every single day of every single speech in addressing this, that's not to say the work isn't being done. >> optics. i was just going with the optics here. >> he is one that has shown that, look, he's going to allow his managers to get back and say what is at stake so he can put together the right plan. we've seen this before in many of the other crises. >> i don't think it's one or the other. i don't think he has to show he has his hand on the button and at the same time can't do sort of the politicking that he needs to do. this is a president whose campaign is done. he needs a campaign for his party. he needs to get his numbers up. so doing these kinds of tours, that's normal. >> exactly. but i just wonder with -- we even saw democrats complain about -- hello, could you go to a va someplace and do something? i know it's pr, all those

things. the president can do all kinds of things while appearing to be touring. the fact s at some point does no drama obama become a drawback? >> absolutely. >> i hate to be in the position of defending barack obama here. i think the problem is bigger than any one man or party right now. i think it is the system. but when your house is on fire, you don't want the firemen going to cooperstown. this is a national crisis. it is a crisis about the people we say we value the most, and what do we know about this president, very bright man? cerebral man, lives in his head and gets bored sometimes with the mundane trivia of actually having to make things work and get things done. valerie jarrett has said he's bored, this president this time. like most of us, our strength is our weakness. his strength is he's a man of ideas. his weakness is the same thing. >> i have to disagree with you on that.

when things come about, deep oil, when the gulf war -- not war. when the oil crisis was happening in the gulf, he went because there was a mismanagement. they hadn't inspected these for four or five years. he sent his team in. now that whole system has changed. that cab prevented. when he has an issue at hand, he goes in. he solves it. he puts the right team in place. it is a big bureaucracy as we have all acknowledged. he can't have his finger in every single pot. but when the crisis occurs, he is able to go in there and strategically and surgically go in -- >> it's often when he responds to these crises, one of the problems was he came out late. he came out -- he tends to come out right when something gets to become a big crisis or public embarrassment. when he actually executes, he has done an excellent job in executing. he's certainly not someone who likes to give into the fanfare.

he resists the calls of the dogs to fire his people and that sort of thing. there's certainly loyalty. he needs to pay attention. >> you've gotten seconds. >> he's not a man of action. he's reticent take action. he draws red lines and then reconsiders. that's barack obama. >> i'll have you back. thank you so much. up next, the loneliest holiday. >> i don't stand here because we're any smarter or stronger or better than the people we lost. we were lucky and we're thankful for that luck. >> right now, that's the pentagon and bikers are getting ready for their annual ride around washington, d.c. to remember vietnam vets rolling thunder. my interview with veteran advocate wes moore is next on "state of the union." ♪

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it is memorial day weekend in the united states. that actually is a picture from outside the pentagon. it is live. you begin to hear motorcycles. that's because rolling thunder, a vietnam era group that honors mias, p.o.w.s is about to start. this is the time to remember and honor military members who died in the line of duty. right now, as we say, there's rolling thunder, remembering not just those who are dead, but others who have been missing from vietnam still. part of honoring the fallen is taking care of those who survived. i talk about that with wes moore, an author and army combat veteran who fought in afghanistan. he's also the executive producer of "coming back with wes moore" which chronicles the struggle of veterans adjusting to life back home. >> flat out, is the united states of america failing its

veterans? >> we've had a level of structural dysfunction that's existed for well over a decade with this. a lot of the issues we're seeing right now at the va are not new issues. >> do you blame eric shinseki, should he go? >> even if we get the resignation, then what? there are still structural barriers that are in place. so we've had now four secretaries of the va since 9/11. we still have the same barriers in place. so while i think there needs to be real accountability and we need to figure out where this train goes and anyone who had any sense of what was happening, particularly as it now stards melding into the criminal side, needs to be held to account for that. we can't simply think we're going to fire someone and that's going to solve a problem. >> you consider yourself fortunate. you came back to a supportive family, came back to a job. that made your transition easier. but what was hard about your transition? >> even with those things, everything was hard about the transition because you're not

coming back as the same person. that's one of the things we wanted to highlight with "coming back." we often think that just because a person makes it home, we can breathe a sigh of relief and say, whoo, i'm glad that's over. the environment that they're coming back to is a changed environment. that transition still becomes real even if you have things in place. this isn't to say, what we didn't want to do is delve into the swamp of insincerity on either side. everybody has issues and we're all ticking time bombs because statistically that's not true. we have to be able to account for levels of transition. we have to be able to account for the fact that the family you're coming back to, the community you're coming back to and you as a person are fundamentally changed. >> some of the details you've written about is just like trash in the road. >> when you're in iraq and afghanistan, everything is a potential threat. you see a pile of trash, that could potentially be a pile of

trash or it could be a hidden ied. you're coming back to an environment where you see a trash can on the side of the road and your brain is doing flips. i had the same thing with me with lights. for my time in afghanistan, we had 100% white lights. what happens you know, your brain is doing flips. a lot of veterans i know in classes need to sit near an exit because they want to know where is the exit point? these are things i think people don't think about as a transition for vets but it's very real. >> possibly the vets don't know until they come home. >> we don't prepare for that. >> do you remember someone special on memorial day? >> i remember growing up, i didn't really think much about memorial day. memorial day was the start of summer and barbecues and in many ways, i realize it's one of the loneliest holidays we have.

i think memorial day means so much more to me now because when i think about memorial day now, i think about toby and brian and friends who now are no longer here to celebrate with their families. they shape how i think about every day. i stand here because of them. you know, we all understand, anyone that's been in combat, there is a certain fatal and arbitrary nature. we are not stronger or better than the people we lost. we're lucky and thankful for the luck and we want to make sure their memory is never forgotten, their families are never forgotten, whether those lost in combat or came back home and took their own life because they realized the war, they couldn't leave it behind. in the past 22 months i lost three friends, all suicide.

one was my former roommate that everything seemed well. he had a job. just got married to a wonderful woman and had an extraordinary mother and got a call one day he shot himself. i think often times we don't think about them on memorial day and we need to because these are people who love this country and fought for this country just like everyone else. these are all people who we will think about and celebrate and support not just on memorial day but for every day. >> i think you probably have given a lot of people pause on memorial day weekend and maybe get them to remember, if not, a specific person, all of the people. thank you for joining us on this day. i hope your memorial weekend goes well. >> bless you and thank you so much. >> wes wants to spend his day calling the family and friends he lost to war. we'll be right back. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪

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that is a makeshift memorial. there has been an outburst of violence in the city that left residents stunned. sick vict six victims dead, 13 injured. tell us more how this community is acting. >> reporter: you know, they have have been coming to the vigils. there were hundreds showed up with candles, tearing up, but there are vigils where students have been killed. you're looking at one here. this is the iv market. this is where christopher ross martinez came in, 20-year-old student doing really well in

school, came in to grab a bite to eat and ended upshot and killed. he never made it to the hospital. his father broke down in tears in front of cameras yesterday as he tried to explain what this has done to his family and he wanted to tell parents you think it can never happen to you but he says it can, it happened to us. we lost everything, we lost our son. we want to tell you about veronica weiss and katy cooper. they were walking and shot and killed. we talked to a witness described seeing one of them die before his eyes. a terrible scene for all of the community. they are trying to cope by remembering the victims and trying not to focus on the suspect, elliott rogers that put out 141 pages of a manifest toe and videos so chilling and disturbing this community has really been shaken.

>> i know again another story you don't want to cover. thanks for being there. sarah and others from cnn will be there. thank you for watching. i'm candy crowley in washington. set your dvr to "state of union" if you can't be here live. if you missed any of today's show, find us on itunes. with the latest on today's e ler elections in ukraine. this is gps the local public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. it's election day in ukraine and we'll start with a live look how the struggles between east and west are playing out at the poles. next, a version of nazi is afoot in russia. that is the explosive allegation you'll hear from the billionaire