tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN June 23, 2014 9:00am-10:01am PDT
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human and civil rights. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. it's monday, june 23rd. welcome to "legal view." unsterile medical equipment, chronic staffing shortages, neglecting elderly veterans for years and years. breaking news this hour, yet another scathing report about the va. amid cnn's investigation into this growing scandal, the office of special council sent a startling new letter straight to the white house. outlining whistleblower complaints at ten va hospitals across the country. senior investigative correspondent drew given has been on the case. he joins me live now with the latest. joining him is cnn legal analyst paul callan, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor is has a few thoughts on these latest very bad pieces of information. drew, i want to start with you. outline how bad this really is been. >> i think the bottom line is how bad it is is the fact that all those problems you
mentioned, the va itself says, you know, they were bad but, really, the health of patients was not really harmed. and that's what this office of special counsel is sending a red flag to the press. the office of special counsel is a group of government prosecutors, independent, where whistleblowers inside the government go for protection and go to blow the whistle. they have had so many complaints coming from inside the vas. as you mentioned, ten hospitals they outline in this letter, ten va hospitals across the country, where there have been, according to the office of special counsel, severe problems with the health and safety of patients. yet, not a single one of those va hospitals did the va agree with that. the office of special counsel has 50 pending cases alleging threats to patient health or safety. let me give you an example of one case. brockton, massachusetts, a veteran with chronic mental
illness checks into a facility in 2003, doesn't receive psychiatric evaluation until 2011. eight years later. despite that fact, the va says, you know what, probably not any harm done to this patient. the osc says the va is routinely saying that these problems, although they are problems, are not affecting patient care and the office of -- >> drew, doesn't make sense, i do not understand how this report can say one thing and then completely say another. that these are horrific problems but, you know, everyone's okay. how does that work? >> this is what the office of special counsel is saying to the president. let's go beyond the va. let's go to the president. mr. president, president obama, we, the special prosecutors, in these cases, the prosecutors assigned to help the whistleblowers, no longer trust the va to investigate itself. that is the bottom line, ashleigh, of this letter that was sent to the president today. >> drew, i thought i heard you
say, correct me if i'm wrong, this is just recogarding ten hospitals. aren't we into the 20s, 30s? how many hospitals are on the list? >> these are actual medical problems at these hospitals. the weight list problems, the accounting, the funndging of th numbers, that's going on across the country and dozens are being investigated there. you've really got a va that is in turmoil right now on many different fronts. >> it's unbelievable. drew griffin, again, stellar work. drew joining us live. paul callan weighing in on this as well. i have an expression in the private sector when someone does things that are listed so egregiously wrong in this report, bring your wheelbarrow. because it effectively means i'm going to sue you, i'm going to win, and i'm going to win a lot. but it's different when it's the va. it's not a private hospital. how does this shake out? >> ashleigh, this is a shocking report. it's a staggering record of
neglect. it's almost like a medical facility was created to go to war on our veterans. one of the other things that came up in the report that struck me, there was a creation of what are called ghost clinics. you're being treated, you need follow-up care, and they refer you to a facility that has no staff to treat you. the patient arrives and has no place to get treated. in the private sector what would happen, medical malpractice lawsuit. now, it's much harder to bring one in the federal system under the federal tort claims act. it can only be brought within two years of you having reason to know you have the right to sue. so many of these veterans are blocked out of court because their cases are old and only now is the neglect being disclosed. >> and do they have the same barometer for determining what neglect really is? so often when you sue the government, especially if you want to sue prosecutors, you just can't, there's this immunity. is any of that exist as well in
the va system? where these guys are really going to get cut out even if they try. >> they have to prove they've only now become aware of the medical malpractice. they have to prove they were damaged by medical negligence. the standard is basically the same, but it's tried in federal courts. there are federal prosecutors defending the government. and so it's a different thing than in the state courts where you tend to get much higher rewards. >> let's just hope they get care. let's start there. we're not even talking about the awards. we're just talking about establishing some semblance of care for this community. paul callan, stay put if you will, thank you for that. by the way, that's not the end of it. we'll watch for ac 360 tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern because there are brand-new startling pieces of information from a whistleblower inside the phoenix va hospital. drew griffin is going to have that tonight on anderson's program so stay tuned, it just keeps coming. iraq under attack as
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put aside sectarian differences and create a new and more inclusive government. today's meetings could determine how deeply involved america is willing to get in the fight against radical isis militants. capturing city after city. as we speak, as they advance on the capital of baghdad. take a look. isis has seized more towns in the western part of the country, including this is key, two border crossings with syria and jordan. cnn's kate boldin spoke with president obama. >> to support iraqi forces, there's a real risk that you will very well will likely be seen as supporting that side, doing exactly what isis wants.
>> actually not because the terms in which we're willing to go in as advisersish in really is to do an assessment of do they still have a functioning chain of command and is their military still capable. what we've also said is if we don't see sunni, shia and kurd representation, in the military command structure, if we don't see sunni, shia and kurd political support for what we're doing, then we won't do it. >> cnn's jim sciutto is traveling with the secretary of state in iraq. he filed this on the latest visit. take a look. >> secretary kerry coming to iraq at a time of extreme anxiety, say u.s. officials, among iraqi leader. they're fearful of the survival of their country. i've never seen it this bad here. this is the challenge that secretary kerry, the iraqis, the international community, has right now.
secretary kerry delivering two messages to the iraqis. one, the u.s. stands by iraq. it will help where it can militarily, diplomatically, politically. but also, two, that iraq, by itself, has to get its political house in order. while in iraq, here's what secretary kerry said, speaking to reporters. >> iraq faces an existential threat. the very future of iraq depends on choices that will be made in the next days and weeks. and the future of iraq depends primarily on the ability of iraq's leaders to come together and take a stand united against isil. >> not only are the divisions among iraq's groups, the sunnis, the shia, the kurds, but even within them, competing candidates within the shia, within the sunni, for leadership and the iraqi leaders have to
get through that political process to develop the unified government that u.s. officials believe they truly need. the other problem with the iraqi military, at this point, they're just defending as best they can iraq, the southern part of the country, but can they gain back the territory that isis has already taken over and u.s. assessments have shown this is not a military today that's capable of that kind of offensive. playing defense is one thing. offense, very much another. another challenge going forward. >> boy, among many. jim sciutto, thank you for that. joining me now to talk about the deteriorating situation in iraq and what the united states can and maybe can't do to help is former navy s.e.a.l. chris heben who has done multiple tours in iraq and cnn military analyst colonel rick santona. first to you, colonel, the issue with taking more territory, i don't think that maybe surprises anybody, except for where, when you start heading towards the
border with jordan, that's troublesome. >> initially, we saw them come down the tigris valley, the euphrates valley, to baghdad. then they turned southwest and secured the town of europe, that's where the roads go into syria and the main crossing into jordan is, they're now in control of that. i think they've ceded control of the entire western part of the country to isis. >> so effectively, the route that for 11 years pretty much anyone who doesn't have special gear like ya'll have, that's the route they come into the country, is other the jordanian border and across that way. when the president says, chris, we need to get our guys on the ground, guys like you, to establish control, what is he saying? >> i think he's saying that we need to get guys in there and observe, but i would say that it's not the right thing to do. they have to mobilize these forces and stop these advances.
the way you do that is by embedding highly trained special forces guys to motivate them -- >> how do you motivate guys who are throwing their weapons down and running? >> it's sad, but having a spec ops presence there embedded with your men is an immediate chest-thumchest chest-thumping event. what the colonel just said, all these decisive military moves, someone has been to a lot of war college training and experience. these are very decisive moves. >> are they also looking for command and control on the other side too? >> absolutely. the advisers are looking at the iraqi force but they're also looking at the isis guys. >> one thing that's just sort of come out is the u.s. is -- this makes complete sense, colonel. they're really concerned about the notion that these iraqis have, up until now, been deserting at these ridiculous levels. they've been replaced by
volunteers who got a week's training who may very well do the same thing but even quicker and we're giving them weapons and amo? >> four divisions out of 14 have gone away. that's a tremendous amount of loss to absorb so quickly. where did they go? they've just gone back home. they've deserted. you're not going to replace them with these militias. they don't have the train. it doesn't appear the iraqi government has the will to go out and fight these people yet. they're pulled back to baghdad. they're going to make the defense of baghdad. and they've drawn the line there. this just plays right into what isis is trying to do. >> i don't -- chris, look, i know you've spent a lot of time in various different roles. not only as a s.e.a.l. but also as a contractor, doing your work in iraq. you have a pretty intimate knowledge of how these guys operate. how are the iraqi soldiers so different from the isis soldiers? because they all come from the same breed. why is one so fierce and one so scared? >> well, i think right now, the
huge population there in iraq is made up of the shiites. but the sunnis, isis is predominantly sunni. anyone of sunni descent, anyone of sunni alliances, is aligning themselves with isis right now. i think it's a marriage of convenience. we've heard the term in arabic. [ speaking foreign language ] which basically means the enemy of my enemy is my friend. that's what is happening. it's a marriage of convenience. they've hauled butt out of there, so right now there's this glut of weaponry and equipment that's relatively new and the isis guys have taken control of this which makes them very effective. once the sunnis allow isis to come in and rid themselves of the shiite issue, i think the sunnis are going to detach themselves from isis. >> curious to know if 300 guys are going to do enough chest
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jerry sandusky to trial. that's not me talking, that's the just released report, and this is the size of it, so you know, it's not thin, it's pretty detailed. it's from the pennsylvania attorney general and it says about this case of the former penn state assistant football coach that lots things went wrong. there's some politics here. the attorney general kathleen cain is a targets the former ag, tom corbett, a republican, he happens to now be in a tough re-election race for governor, current governor now. it took prosecutors three years after the very first complaint about sandusky before they even filed a charge. the report says, quote, too long because of crucial missteps and delays. sandusky is serving a long prison sentence after his conviction for sexually abusing
ten boys. she won a pulitzer prize for her reporting on this and she's now with me in our newsroom. in new york, our senior analyst paul callan, who knows a thing or two about things like this. sar sara, first to you, this report, it's remarkable to see this, to see the depth and the breadth of it all, to see the wrongdoing. at the same time, it makes me wonder, is it going to make any difference? is this going to yield anything? is anyone going to get in trouble? >> yeah, that's a great question. i think one of the most important points here is what she didn't find. she did not find any evidence that there was any political reason, any political bias, that made this investigation stall. but as you showed, i mean, this is a huge report. more than 300 pages. and it goes through every step of that investigation. and what they did find is that there was so much miscommunication, so many times investigators did not use the correct techniques, did not go
issue subpoenas when they should have, interviews when they should have. i think the two that stood out to me the most, back in 2009, when jerry sandusky's first victim came forward, a social worker convinced him to do an interview, to talk, but that social worker never told the police. so the police weren't there for the interview. and guess what, he stopped talking after that. he never again gave another interview to any investigator except that social worker back in 2009. and then after that, there were just months and months and months where police were looking for additional victims but not in the right places. one example, there was a 1998 police report that was at penn state police. it was in the police headquarters. and investigators, it took them two years to find it. this is an older report that would have, you know, showed prior victims and they took two years just to find that report. i want you to take a listen to
what the current attorney general kathleen kane had to say this morning when she was talking about this. >> this report found no direct evidence, no e-mail, no confession, no statement from anybody indicating that they were told to slow this down because of politics. this report also shows long periods of inexcusable, by inexcusable, i mean even the parties involved couldn't offer an excuse for the delays, and delays that, quite honestly, are unfathomable to most of us. >> you talk about will heads roll, you know, the report makes recommendations on how to better handle cases of child sex abuse in the future. but, you know, everyone was given a chance to respond but they don't make any allegations that any of this was actually millicio malicious. >> what about joe paterno with all these 300 pages, anything in there? >> as far as i can see, he was mentioned just once and it was in passing. >> what?
>> you know, they did not address the issue which is a really hot topic within the state of pennsylvania, people talk about this all the time, this is a huge issue, whether or not he did the right thing, and also whether or not penn state did the right thing when they fired him. it's a huge topic within state. this was not addressed at all. she did not talk about her feelings on how he acted or what should have happened in that area. >> stand by for a second. this blows my mind that that's part of this issue. i want to bring in paul callan on this as well. i'm going to hand you -- there you go, counselor. i looked at that and i sort of thought, it's just insult to injury. it's not going to mean one thing for all of those kids who were attacked, is it? >> well, i hope that it does because what it draws attention to is the fact that you have this enormous bureaucracy that's investigating and charged to investigate child abuse cases. you have a child molester. you have a prosecutor who
recommended an indictment, and a bureaucracy walks away from it and spends more time investigating. now, the report says there's no, quote, direct evidence of political involvement. i was looking at the statistics involving penn state. over 45,000 students on that campus. over or close to 500,000 alumni. many of whom, more than 250,000 pennsylvania voters. so you know the indirect influence is that they were afraid to upset the political apple cart by indicting joe paterno's favorite coach. >> maybe at the very least changes instituted. >> i hope so. >> let's hope they don't waste all this paper, all the work behind it. i hope those victims get some sort of satisfaction. paul callan, thank you, as always. nice to see you. sa sara, excellent work as usual. good to have you on the program. thank you. after nearly five years of being held as a p.o.w. by the taliban and then several weeks,
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after five years as the taliban captive, weeks in the hospital, he is now an outpatient, yet he still has not seen his parents. as far as we know, he has not even spoke n to them yet. it's got to get you wondering why. did all this time in captivity change him that much, or is the same young man everyone knew just waiting to come out again? ed lavandera is covering the process of reintegrating bergdahl back into normal life. he joins us live in dallas and then in chicago is psychologist joseph triani who's also a former navy commander and teaches a course on survival, evasion, resistance escape psycholo psychology, better known as sere. this notion that bergdahl is an outpatient, can you categorize that a little for me? i don't think that means he's jumping on the bus and heading off base. >> no, if you remember, for the last nine days or so, bergdahl
had been inpatient. he had a hospital room at brook army medical center where he was going through the reintegration process. he's still in fort sam houston where the brook army medical center is. he's moved to another part of the complex there. army officials won't say much about what his current living conditions are like, but that he's slowly being introduced to more and more people as part of this reintegration process. he is still in houston and still being treated. >> so, maybe you can help me figure this out, because as far as i know, sam houston's got quarters for families with, you know, service members who are being treated. there's also a community center there. plenty of space. it's not a logistics issue for his family to be there. is there something to the notion that some p.o.w.s are different than other p.o.w.s in the way that they are held? >> definitely, after being confined for five years, the
re-entry process is pretty difficult. and for some, it takes a little longer period of time when they feel they're ready. they want to be ready for when they meet their loved ones or families. but i think the stage is being set, as you've mentioned, at fort sam houston. they have the fisher houses there for families. they have a great community center, where families and soldiers are able to socialize and have some time on their own. so we might be getting closer to the point where he's going to meet mom and dad. >> well, i get it. i'm just trying to get my head around -- look, i've never been held captive, i don't know. i can only go on the experiences others before him. and we've never seen this before. we've just never seen somebody going into the fourth week of finally being able to come home and not coming home, really home. is that -- is there a difference
between being a p.o.w. where you have other mates who are captive with you to, say, somebody who's in sensory deprivation perhaps, because we've heard accounts that might be afoot here, and does that make sense, that he be this detached at this point from his own family? >> more than likely, he is feeling detached. remember, he was absent from his lifestyle and culture. now he's coming back and being reintegrated. the good news is they feel that he's physically and psychologically stable enough where he's able to transition to what we would remember to as traditional outpatient. but i would also consider that at this point in time, because he has a history of walking away from his post or being absent, that he would be under military police escort or possibly even the army's cid, which is the army's version of ncis with the navy. >> i just need a quick answer on
this, sir. i don't know this is even a question that i should be asking. is it possible at all that the military is holding that reunion over him until he cedes the kind of information they're looking for about what led to all of five years ago, is that possible? >> that could always be a possibility. but they keep emphasizing that they're letting him move at his own pace. and it could be their recommendation or what have you. >> it's good to have you. thank you so much, joseph traioni and ed lavandera, for your reporting on this. former nfl star aaron hernandez facing first degree murder charges. we've just learned he actually spent part of the weekend out of the jail. he was at a hospital. if you want to know what it was that took him there, we'll have it for you after the break.
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former new england patriots player aaron hernandez got to spend a little time away from the jail other the weekend. probably not a fun visit. certainly wasn't a court date. it was a short trip to the hospital. you will probably remember that he's facing first degree murder charges in the deaths of three men. saturday afternoon, cnn's national correspondent susan candiotti broke a little news about some motive and she's joining me now. first, before we get to the motive on the crime, because that was neat and great digging, why was he in the hospital? >> we don't know exactly why because of privacy laws, hipaa rules that you can't disclose things. all we know is he spent less than an hour there and the sheriff tells me it had nothing to do with any kind of incident that happened at the jail. he spent a short amount of time there, back in jail, that's it. >> love to see the security detail on that for a first degree murder defendant.
so now this issue about this -- as he sort of faces down these extraordinary charges, you've actually come up with what they've discovered might be the motive behind the crime. >> exactly, new details. a source tells me it was something very trivial and something insignificant like prosecutors allege happen with that spilled drink in the double murder charges that are taking place in boston. they said the two nights before lloyd's murder when he was in a nightclub -- >> it's hard to keep track of the murders, by the way. >> exactly. >> he saw him talking to some people at the nightclub. he got really agitated. and he's seen on video angry. later that say night, they go to hernandez apartment, about ten miles from his big house. something happened there. he sees guns, lloyd sees guns and ammunition that are stored at hernandez's apartment and the source says something happened there, those two things combined, trivial matter that we
would consider nothing but enough to stir up hernandez and allegedly cause him to murder owen lloyd. >> you don't even need a motive to get a murder conviction but it always helps when you've got to somehow explain to a jury why this could have happened. >> you don't have to plead not itch and he has pleaded not guilty. >> it's hard to keep track of the murders. there's been so many that's developed in the story. and the lovely and talented susan candiotti has decided to package the whole thing up. we've got a special. it's called "downward spiral, inside the case against aaron hernandez." here on cnn, tuesday, at 9:00 p.m. make sure you tune in. you just do a great job on this story, every time. >> well, thanks. there's a lot of developments, that's for sure. >> susan candiotti, live for us today. >> thank you. now to a story about an important grand opening. the new national center for
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today, a new civil rights museum opened in atlanta. it's a dream that took ten years to become a reality. it recounts generations of struggle so that future generations can walk through the exhibits and get an idea of what that america was like, what it was really like. as the reverend jesse jackson once said, if a mind can conceive it and my heart can believe it, i know i can achieve it. victor blackwell takes us inside the monument to the civil rights achievement. >> we will use the same we have used before. >> reporter: president johnson -- >> their cause must be our cause too. >> reporter: together, part of a comprehensive look at america's fight for equality. the $80 million facility honors the well and lesser known stories and faces of the civil rights movement. one of them, henry thomas. >> i was immediately impressed.
>> reporter: thomas was just 19 years old in this mug shot. he was a freedom rider during the summer of 1961, demonstrating for civil rights throughout the south. one of many covering the center's replica of the burned-out bus he traveled on. >> there is a face now to those people who made that sacrifice 53 years ago. they're my heroes. i am proud of them. >> reporter: the center is filled with the images and sounds of the era and an interactive exhibit that mimics the taunting protesters endured during the lunch hour sit-ins. >> we want them to have a personal connection to both history and to present. we also want them to feel exp e expired, that they can take a stand. >> reporter: the highlight is the king paper's collection. it's a rotating exhibit of some of dr. martin luther king jr.'s personal writings on loan from his alma mater, morehouse
college. >> these are handwritten speeches, his report card from when he was a child. >> reporter: what is not on display is now at the center of a king family legal fight. king's sons, acting as board members of their late father's estate, sued their sister, reverend king, after she refused to hand over her father's bible. the potential buyer was the national center for civil and human rights. >> had the center attempted to purchase the nobel peace prize and traveling bible? >> we've had discussions over time about various things that they have that might be on display here or not but there's never been an actual offer for anything. >> reporter: reverend king turned over the items to the court. the siblings will be back in court in september. >> it's a very good beginning. >> reporter: former ambassador andrew young fought for civil rights alongside dr. king. he sees the center as a vision for the future and the ongoing push for worker write, lgbt
rights and the global fight for women's rights. >> this is a growing, artistic creation, that will continue to be, you know, developed to address the conflicts and the problems that we face today and in the future. >> victor blackwell joins us live from outside the museum right now. i wanted to ask you what struck you most as you went through the exhibit, what was the most memorable thing for you? >> the sounds, the sounds of bill conner. they have television setup where you can flip through the channels and listen to some of the egregious statements, the vitriol of that era. for someone like myself who was not alive at that typime, you kw the iconic sounds, but some of the justification for segregation from the leaders of that era, that's what stuck with
me as i walked through this center. with the conversations we had with people who helped to build this, they hoped that what was learned during that era can help to spur change as the fight continues for global human rights, lgbt rights, women's rights around the world. >> well, i can't wait to see it. you'll have to be my guide when i come down there to atlanta. i hope you'll take me through it. >> sure will. >> thank you, victor blackwell, good to see you, sir. you can learn a whole lot more about the civil rights movement, thursday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern time, our original series "the sixties." it returns with stories of american freedom fighters. such a great series. loving every minute of it. coming up, since when is soccer all over the front page of the newspapers? since america didn't lose. i guess that's good, right? i don't know anything about soccer, but, boy, is it huge. we're going to take you to rio
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built for business. okay, world cup fever has officially hit the united states, and google knows that a lot of people are out there watching, any way they can. so i want you to take a close look at today's really hilarious google doodle. that's the thing above the search bar. all the little letters are super cute. they're watching the world cup. we the boss man comes along, you can see "e" has a little remote and he switches the channel. it's really cute. i get tickled by these things. i'm easily pleased. joining me to talk about the united states chances of moving to the elimination round of world cup is cnn's chris cuomo. is that an america shirt you've got on, sir? where did you get your hands on that? >> don't you love this?
here's the irony, ashleigh. you say you're easily amused. so we go into the fifa shop here, the federation for soccer, and we're looking for an american jersey. nothing. right. so we have to go to a local mall over pinema, next door to where we are in rio, and this is the only thing they had in the store. it turns out, this is the kit that the u.s. was wearing in the match. wound up being perfect. fortuitous. i'm proud of them and i'm proud of them because they're doing it the hard way. this is tough, the world cup. nothing's going to come easy. they learned that in the last seconds last night. they've got a point that gives them progress towards making it out of the group of death into the round of 16. they're making progress. it's not about failure. it's not that they failed to win. it's about semantics. it taught the team something, which is a lesson we're talking about right now. they have to be ready at the last moment. i see it as a net-net positive, what happened last night, as
tough as it was to watch it turn that way at the end. >> funny you think it's a net-net positive. i know nothing about soccer. i'm really getting caught up in the frenzy of it all. i don't know whether it's because you find these tiny countries like air ra tree ya who are super strong and powerful and they put out a good effort on the pitch. i'm more interested in how america has come along in this whole notion of being a world player. what we have to do to stay on the tv. what's the deal? what's comie ing up next? >> well, i would submit to you that that question has an easy answer and a hard answer. the easy answer is about how they keep playing in this tournament. they're in very good shape. there are more purchase mutations that have them advancing than not advancing. if they play to a tie with germany or win with germany, they're great. if they lose, it gets complicated and it could come
down to the flip of a coin by a fifa official to decide whether they or ghana advance. there are more chances that they advance than not. as long as they play well. even if it's to another tie. that's the easy answer. the harder answer is why is the u.s. getting enthusiasm? i think it's about the domestic culture. these viewing parties you're hearing about. the world cup has always been huge. this is the most watched sport in the world. it's not even a competition. in the u.s., it's starting to matter. my kids play soccer now. i didn't. i played the more traditional american sports. as our families get into it, they're starting to take u.s. soccer more seriously. we're very lucky we have a team that deserves the respect. >> this is how we differ. you were playing your sport and i was curling up in canada. chris cuomo, you got the best assignment. i know you're going to bring me back one of those t-shirts. >> i'm going to give you this one. >> chris cuomo, live for us, ultimate sports fan. i love him.
oh, my god, that was chris cuomo. i got to stop now. i'm going to end up on youtube. i got this video i have to show you. okay. here's this amazing 60-foot great white shark. if you thought jaws was scary. i can't show you it hopefully wolf blitzer is going to do it. i talked too much about chris cuomo. have a great day, everybody, see you tomorrow. right now, secretary of state john kerry has been spending the day in baghdad. the stern message he's had for iraqi leaders. stand by. also right now, shocking new detail, about the treatment of american veterans. in a scathing report just sent to the white house. we'll tell you what's in it and how the vavt is is responding.