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>> thanks, mel robbins, really appreciate it. >> you got it. great to see you. that's all the time we have for "sg md" today, but let's keep the conversation going on twitter. @doctorsanjaygupta. it's time to get you back into the "cnn newsroom" with miguel marquez. you are in the "cnn newsroom." i'm miguel marquez in new york. this hour we're talking immigrati immigration. once the strength of our nation or so we like to think, the melting pot, but could it be the achilles' heel. some 11 million illegal immigrants are here and more coming every day and now many are children, in some cases running from murder an epidemic worse than anything we've seen in heamerica. all hour we're taking a look at that problem. but first our top story. 130 people are reported killed in gaza after several days of bombardment from israel.
this is just one of 500 buildings in gaza destroyed by the israeli military. israel calls them legitimate hamas targets. the palestinians say their water systems and power supplies have been hit and hospitals overwhelmed by more than 1,000 people injured. despite the firepower sent in to gaza by israeli forces they fired dozen of rockets into israel today. in gaza city cnn's international correspondent ben wedeman is there. ben, we know you've been reporting all evening that you've seen outgoing fire and incoming fire, what's the situation there now? >> reporter: miguel, the death toll here now stands at more than 150 after the most deadly h est israeli strikes in the last two days. there was a strike in a neighborhood in gaza city, more than 40 people wounded.
there's a pandemonium at gaza's main shifa hospital. in the meantime, we have heard that the israelis have informed the residents of the northern part of the gaza strip that they should leave that area for their own safety. there are about 100,000 people living there. now, there have been a variety of israeli air strikes on gaza and we've seen many rockets fired from gaza into israel. one of the strikes this morning at about 5:00 a.m. was on a home for the handicapped where two people were killed and four were seriously injured. among them some people with mental illnesses. so, the situation increasingly dire, and it does appear at this point that an israeli ground incursion could be just hours away. miguel? >> all right, ben, stick with us, if you can, and keep yourself and your crew safe. i want to bring in michael oren, cnn analyst and former ambassador from the united
states to israel. thank you for being with us. this seems as serious as it's been since 2009 in the operation there. do you expect a ground incursion soon? >> good to be with you, miguel. israel tonight is indeed at a crossroads. whether to put ground forces into gaza, whether to keep up the aerial bombardments. as you heard from ben wedeman earlier, the israeli military indicated this evening that it's begun to warn palestinian residents of the northern gaza strip, that's the area from where most of the long-range missiles have been fired at israel have been launched. the israeli military is telling these residents to move out of that area because there's going to be a different type of military response. now, whether that means intensified air strikes or actual ground operations remains to be seen. but ground operations are indeed a possibility as the night progresses.
>> but i take it, mr. ambassador, because hamas has showed its hand by firing these longer-range missiles capable of reaching tel aviv and beyond is a great concern to israelis, there's almost no choice it seems. it seems like maybe they were considering whether or not to do it, it seems like maybe they feel -- the israeli government now feels that they have to do it. >> well, if you mean "they" meaning the palestinians firing rockets, they could stop firing rockets and israel would probably stop bombing the gaza strip, but the rockets came in in the dozens today. more than 700 rockets have been fired at israel since the outset of this operation. one of them struck immediately over my house tonight. it was intercepted by iron dome thankfully, so it is a serious threat to the people of israel. it's tremendously traumatic and costly. there's no tourism. the economy can be nearly paralyzed by it. so, it's a question. tremendous pressure on the israeli government from the
public. how much longer do we have to endure rockets falling on our neighborhood? and the israeli government is looking at a number of options. trying to find a diplomatic out by the way tonight. looking at the possibility of egyptian mediation, perhaps qatari mediation to end it the way it was ended in 2012 and 2009. >> i want to talk about that in a second. ben, can you tell us, though, the air strikes that you are seeing there, we know that over 35,000 of the 40,000 reservists that israel had asked to be called up have now been called up in actuality. are the air strikes there in your estimation aimed as softening up the ground for that ground invasion, or are they still going after targets where they believe they're going after hamas targets specifically? >> reporter: so far, miguel, it does appear that they're still going after hamas targets. last night there was sort of intensified bombardment from the
sea on the northern part of the gaza strip. but basically the air strikes continue the pattern of hitting the homes of people affiliated with hamas or islamic jihad or in some days the homes of others that aren't affiliated with those groups either. but in terms of the situation on the ground, no, i was in be beit hanoon this afternoon in the heart of the gaza strip and there wasn't anything per septemb perceptible yesterday. there are more helicopters flying over those areas in the northern part of the gaza. and one interesting thing we saw, which i have never seen before, what appears to be the use by palestinian militants of surface-to-air missiles against those israeli helicopters. in my 20 years of covering this conflict, i haven't seen that yet. >> yeah. >> that is just ratcheting it up, it seems.
ambassador oren, you talk about the possibility of the deal being pushed or the politics being played here, and egypt is the power player that can make things happen, even though there are talks, no one seems to be stepping up. are there serious discussions going on right now? >> well, there are some rumors of some feelers going about. but we don't see any open diplomacy such as we saw in november of 2012 with then secretary of state clinton shuttled back and forth between cairo and jerusalem in order to work out a cease-fire. we don't see the secretary of state kerry here yet. we see assisi being a little bit reticent. keep in mind we're post-arab spring now. the people in egypt care about jobs. they care about food. they don't necessarily want their president spending his time mediating between israelis and palestinians, but there's an opportunity for the egyptians here. they've had a strained relationship with the obama administration, the way assisi came to power in what was often
perceived as a military coup, here's a chance to prove once again egypt is vite al for america's interest in the middle east. >> mr. ambassador, ben wedeman, thank you for staying up late, both of you, keep yourselves safe, thank you. you hear about immigration these days. it's the biggest fight of the summer in washington and a huge crisis for border states like texas, new mexico, arizona, and california, but who are these immigrants? where are they coming from? and why do you even need to care? here's a quick look at the crisis before we dig deep with cnn reporters. >> decade the ago the word of immigration conjured up boats at ellis island and the statue of liberty. today it's a different story. the issue is more heated and more politicized and more complicated. immigrants are entering the u.s. from every corn, miami to seattle, l.a. to new york and especially along the mexican border. we're talking more than 40 million immigrants in the united states right now both legally and illegally. that's roughly 13% of our
population making america the number one destination on earth for immigrants. so, who are these new arrivals? well, about a quarter or 11 million are undocumented. a number that's increased almost year by year since 2000 of those who become legal residents you'd probably guess a lot of them are from mexico. you'd be right, 14%. but you might be surprised to find out the next two leading countries of birth for new u.s. residents china and india. those are the two most populated countries on the planet. as for work the latest labor stats show by and large immigrant workers are in the service industry, hotels, restaurants and gas stations and they're making a lot less than u.s.-born workers about 160 bucks less per week. so, regardless of how you feel about theish you'll, there's no doubt immigrants are here to stay and they play a huge role in the american economy every day. i've had surgery, and yes, i have occasional constipation.
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well, when we talk about immigration this might be your biggest question, who's coming here and why are they doing? well, the white house is expecting 90,000 children to arrive by the end of the fiscal year ending in september, so where are they coming from? mostly three countries. honduras, guatemala, el salvador. you can see where they're coming from right there and make no mistake they're as much running to the u.s. as they are running from terrible violence back home. here's why, take honduras, it's not only the murder capital but the world's murder capital at the rate of 187 homicides per 100,000 people. a little perspective the rate in chicago was 15 per 100,000 people, so this is more than 12 times worse. the worst city in the u.s. if you were parents, you just might want to risk sending your kids to the u.s. as well. and you might think the journey to the u.s. would begin with a terrifying dash across the border. but the reality on the
guatemala/mexico border couldn't be more different. our cnn's gary tuchman is in guatemala city right now. gary, you went down there to check all of this out and see how tough it is. how tough is it? >> reporter: well, miguel, for central americans, undocumented migrants who want to get across the guatemalan border to mexico, it's very easy and inexpensive. we've done it both ways as reporters legally and illegally. you save a heck of a hot of time and it's a lot easier to cross illegally. but once those undocumented migrants get into mexico that's where things get much dicier. many people legally cross between guatemala and mexico, this is the guatemalan side. the other side of this bridge is the nation of mexico. the mexican state of chicago ap pass. most people do not have documentation to go from one country to the other eventually the people that want to end up in the united states, so what they do is something you will not see between the u.s. and mexico or the united states and canada, forethat matter. not miles away right next to the
legal border crossing here are people that are walking across this river to get from guatemala to mexico. they walk. they swim. they also take rafts to illegally cross and what's amazing is nobody at this border station neither the guatemalan or mexican officials seem to mind. they let them cross every day. we'll go under the bridge to the raft area and show you what happens. right under where you can legally cross, this is where you illegally cross. right under this border station. this is the raft. the inner tube, the wood. we paid our 1.30 and we'll go along on this raging rapid trip. hello. can i go with you? what you should know is these people, they tell us they are not planning to go to the united states. they just want to go to mexico. you ready? okay. everyone here is quiet. and you got to duck your head so
you don't get decapitated by the rope and now we've crossed the international boundary, and we're in the nation of mexico. what happens when people get here who eventually want to get to the united states, this is standard, they climb on these rocks and their trails and their path up there, they're also shelters there. so many people that want to begin their voyage to the united states stay in the shelter until they figure out how to get there. this is the easy part. people are very friendly and it costs almost nothing. but to get to the united states border could take weeks if they're successful. in many cases they're not successful. but this for many people is the beginning of the journey. this is the trail that guatemalans, hon dor ruhonduran first see, it's rocky and jungle like and steep at spots. the people on our boat, it's not clear where they were going. no one wanted to tell us they were going to the united states some swore they were staying in mexico. you never really know. that's when the serious business begins. you got to look for shelter and help to get into the united
states. you have old people and young people navigating this. trying to make their way into town here. this is talisban, mexico, they ued to have zip lines, the zip lines were taken down by the mexican government not because it's illegal to cross but because it wasn't safe. people were getting hurt and sometimes killed when the zip lines collapsed. and once people get up the trail and into the little town they figure out how to get to the shelters to continue their journey towards the u.s. border. so, these vans directly go to the town 20 minutes from here where there are shelters for migrants where they can get advice and food and health care. you can see the people on the bus here, hello. they're all going there. to the united states? si? he says he's going to the united states. anyone else? united states? okay. the bus is leaving. if they are going to the united
states, they may not always want to tell us. close the door. hasta luego. but the door is reopened. more people journeying north. all right, so we spent some time in one of those clinics. we ran in to a man who was trying to get to the united states but was hit by a car. severely broken foot, big cast, sitting in the wheelchair. he said once the cast comes off he'll continue his journey to the united states. then we saw this, we saw a woman who was trying to get to the united states who was 8 1/2 months pregnant, she went into labor. she ended up in the clinic we saw her 6 day old baby sitting next to her and once the baby is old enough, she plans to continue to try to get to the united states. miguel? >> amazing, amazing stuff. clearly it's not just the u.s. experiencing this concern at the border but it's mexico and guatemala and many, many countries seeing an influx of refugees.
you say they wouldn't say where they are going to for the most part. but what is your sense of it? are most people crossing just going for the day to do business one day and come back or are more people crossing to go farther north, gary? >> reporter: a lot of people we see on the rafts and walking across the river are going to mex como to do business and do some jobs and people go the other direction from mexico to guatemala because food and drinks are cheaper in mexico and they sell them here in guatemala. but a lot of the people are there, they are very open about it, specifically because they hear it's relatively easy to get to the united states, but we hear it's easier, especially if you have a child, everybody, simply everybody, has family that's in the united states that's gotten there successfully and they hope they can do it, too. >> that's the question. what are the folks telling you? why make that horribly dangerous journey across so much land to get to the u.s.? what are they telling you about their chances of getting there? what prompted it? why are they getting it in their heads to go there to begin with?
>> reporter: i think a mistake a lot of people make, miguel, on both sides of this issue is painting it as black and white. it's very gray. everyone has different reasons. some people are very direct. they can make as much in one day in the united states as they make a week in their countries of honduras and el salvador and guatemala and mexico and other people say we miss our family. other people are go for the wrong reasons. they're criminals. it depends. everyone has a different reason for doing it but a lot of it has to do with the violence. guatemala city is actually a very beautiful city. the area i'm staying in right now are very safe but there are very violent neighborhoods. you are talking about honduras and el salvador, the violence, the violence in these cities and neighborhoods in these countries are far more violent than any city in the united states and there are a lot of parents who say we want our children to get out of this. anything is better than living in this situation and that's why they're sending their children out there, so there are a variety of reasons. making it a black-and-white
issue is a mistake. >> i love your spanish. thank you. we'll be back with you later. thank you. >> reporter: gracias. this is a crisis that's been keenly felt in american towns and cities along the border. many people are sharply divided. something has to be done. but should they bear that burden? next we'll speak to one mayor of one of those towns. this is kathleen. setting up the perfect wedding day begins with arthritis pain and two pills. afternoon arrives and feeling good, but her knee pain returns... that's two more pills. the evening's event brings laughter, joy, and more pain... when jamie says... what's that like six pills today? yeah... i can take 2 aleve for all day relief. really, and... and that's it. this is kathleen... for my arthritis pain, i now choose aleve.
well, you probably heard the word amnesty thrown around just a little bit. for some on the political right it's their worst nightmare with the brethren on the left a possible solution to the crisis. amnesty for an estimated 11 million unlawful immigrants in this country has a huge price tag at least $6.3 trillion. that's a trillion with a capital "t," of course. that's according to the heritage foundation. put that into perspective, though, the total u.s. debt is $17.6 trillion so we're talking an amount that can be more than a third of the total debt but that's just one study, not everyone agrees with it, of course, some say amnesty could give a boost to the economy bringing people out of the shadows and into the society as full-fledged americans. now, this crisis is straining the feds to the breaking point. facilities used for training agents are being rushed into
services, camps for the detainees doesn't sit well with some towns where the facilities are like artesian, new mexico where children are being held. jeh johnson sifted there this week. his message, stern. >> our border is not open to illegal migration. and our message to those who are coming here illegally, to those who are contemplating coming here illegally into south texas is we will send you back. >> now, artesia mayor joins us and, mayor, do you believe secretary johnson says the u.s. government is determined to send these people back? >> i tell you what, miguel, that is definitely feeding some of the frustration. >> i do not believe him. that's what we've been told at
this detention center. and until we see different, we'll believe him. >> and i know we spoke a little bit earlier in the week, mr. mayor, and it's mothers and children there. your town is not as concerned about it as others, but you did have legitimate concerns about this facility opening up there. what is your biggest concern today? >> well, today i think a lot of the concerns that we had early on have been taken care of. of course, the immediate concerns when you hear that an installation is being opened in your town is, one, security. are these people that are coming here, are they hardened criminals, are they gang members, are they drug dealers. and that became a moot point very quickly when it was determined that only mothers and their children would be brought here. as of this morning, we have just over 500 residents at the
facility. all mothers and their children, which range from infants to 17-year-olds. there are no hmales and there ae no had uncompanied children. so, it's -- compared to some other places in the country, this is a very subdued group. >> that's pretty amazing, though, because we talked a couple of days ago you had 200 and you had room for 600. so it's filling up fast. people are angry across the country and, surprise, surprise, lawmakers are at gridlock. will they figure out something? are they going to? >> it's yet to be seen yet. the frus trtrations are mountin. not only here at the white house but also among lawmakers. the frustration is reaching a boiling pi ining point. there's a sense of relief. we spent time on the border and
we got the takeaway. people that live in some of the south texas regions and also new mexico some of the folks are happy it's finally being discussed. we weren't supposed to be talking about immigration anymore since the issue was tabled after these efforts actually stalled in congress. today there's these people, these thousands of families and also unaccompanied children that are pouring across the border are sending a message inadvertently that this issue is as present as ever and it needs to be dealt with whether at the white house or also at the lawmaker level. and that's what we're seeing not only here in washington but, you know, 15, 16, 1,700 miles away in the south texas region where all of this is happening now. >> well, we live in hope, but where immigration is concerned none of us i think have a lot of hope. it is such a touchy subject. polo sandoval in washington for us. thank you very much. mayor burch in our fair new mexico, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, miguel. so, why would a parent send their child on a dangerous trip to the u.s. knowing their son or
daughter's life might be at risk? well, first you have to see what they are heaving behind and why even if they send them back they could keep on coming and trying again. now, many of the children fleeing violence in central america have one thing in common, a huge passion for soccer and the international love affair for the sport is helping cnn hero john burns make a difference in kids' lives. ♪ >> the atmosphere of world cup is like nothing else. it's electric. you get that rainbow kaleidoscope of all the different nations that come together. football is the only worldwide sport really. 2004, that was when i suddenly saw all the fans around me. it was like it was an intact army.
some of the children that love football the most live in very poor areas. and i started asking myself what could i do if we could mobilize some of these people to do some good. so, we bring people to world cup. they get to watch games. but for a huge chunk of our time we find local charities that are working with children. >> that is meant to be three classrooms. to come and to do this for us for the children, it's the world cup spirit. >> in brazil we've got about 300 volunteers here from about 12 countries. within a couple of days we're part of the team full of fun and working really hard. >> hey. >> when we invest in a place it's for the long term. >> go. >> lots of guys come and kind of get it in their blood. that's what we're about. >> this is my second go. this time my son's come with me. a bit of bonding and just building things together. >> you are knackered every morning, you're tired out, but look how far we've come in a
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dream of a better life here but the reality, they are breaking the law to get here, and if they get caught in many cases, most cases, they're going back home, back to poverty, back to crime and in many cases back to slums worse than anything we have here in the u.s. so, what happens when that trip to the u.s. becomes a round-trip ticket back to guatemala or honduras? rosa flores has more. >> reporter: they came by the thousands ending up here in crowded detention centers, some as young as 5. the federal government in southwestern states struggling and arguing with how to deal with them as they work through processing them all. many of them sent alone in the hopes the u.s. will have compassion and allow them to stay. >> we have to send a clear message. >> reporter: former secretary of state hillary clinton weighing in to cnn, her message send them back. >> they should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are because there are concerns about whether all of
them can be sent back. but i think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families. >> reporter: the obama administration has called the influx of tens of thousands of minors an urgent humanitarian situation and says they're providing relief including housing, medical treatment, and transportation but is still deporting children. now the honduran government is firing back. they want the u.s. to keep the children and their families in the states. saying in a statement they can't handle the influx of immigrants coming back and that if we are talking of the principle of family rue unification why not reunite them in the united states. in honduras this is where every deported minor is processed. the ones that don't get claimed stay in these dormitories with open ceilings and no air-conditioning. and if honduras has its way these beds will stay empty at
the time the country is fighting a huge wave of violence. the communities on opposite sides of this river are a glaring example of the breakdown of law and order. on one side, you've got a gang-controlled slum where crime is rampant. on the other side of the river, you've got a neighborhood watch community taking security into its own hands. gangs controlling neighborhoods, not thinking twice about assaulting, robbing, and killing. terrified parents wanting a chance at life for their children. >> now, cnn's rosa flores joins me now. gary tuchman in guatemala. and bo sandoval in washington. honduras is a big problem. you've seen it yourself, what are the conditions like there? >> we've talked to so many people. we have to talk about several factors and i know gary talked about some of these. it's violence and poverty and at the very end culture because you really see there's a culture of
people wanting to go to the united states. so, imagine you're a kid there, you grow up knowing and seeing people go to the united states and they associate that with success. that's how they see that people get ahead. and then you also have to talk about the poverty numbers. and in all three countries in el salvador, 36% of the people are in poverty. 54% in guatemala. and 65% in honduras. >> so, there is that attraction to the u.s. but they are also being pushed by terrible conditions at home. >> correct. when you talk about the vie ledges, it's no joke here. i talked to so many people in honduras, you just do not go to several neighborhoods. as a matter of fact, we didn't go into several neighborhoods because of that reason. and you saw it in that piece. you saw that it's divided by a river. we were able to go to the one on one side. we didn't dare go to the one on the other. >> gary, what are folks there telling you? clearly it is a treacherous journey to make. but are they aware of how tough
it is going to be and what the consequences for getting busted once you cross the border? >> reporter: the answer to that, miguel, in most cases, no, they're not aware of how tough it will be. they hear that relatives and family members got there successfully, they know had it will be challenging. but we know once they cross the border from guatemala here to mexico, you're talking an average of several weeks to get to the u.s. border if you're successful. we don't know the figures of people who don't make it successfully. we don't know the figures of people who die trying. but it's very difficult. and you have to be very desperate most cases to do it. >> polo sandoval, the white house, how much faith do they have in the central american countries? we know that mexico, honduras and guatemala met this week to talk about this, ngos have been pushing the u.s. for a long time to do more in central america. is there any hope in the white house that they can get control of this crisis there? >> i can tell you that's where they believe the root of the problem is as you just heard rosa and gary mention, there's so many people out there that they are either fleeing the
violence or chasing that dream, and so the federal government has enough faith in some of these countries to actually send some money their way to try to create more opportunity. we saw president obama's executive action about a week and a half ago, part of that including sending millions of dollars to governments of guatemala and el salvador and honduras there because the governments want to keep the people there because that is essentially where the roost of the issue is and the solution here in washington, though, really depends on who you are. the house republicans seem to believe the solution is to deport as many and send the national guard to the border and you have the president's $3.7 billion band aid, all of that, though, miguel, making for major border bickering. >> it's a pretty big band-aid and it's tough when you are talking about little kids you want to deport out of here. gary, thank you for your report. excellente, senlior. good luck down there. rose sa and polo, stay with us. there is no question, this is a crisis, but is it fair to call these immigrants refugees? some lawmakers think they are.
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i think we have to be clear about what this is. this is a refugee crisis that we're seeing along our southern border. and as americans we kind of all think of refugee crises as situations that happen far away to somebody else, but i think we need to open our eyes that this is something that is happening in our country and it's happening right now. >> a very important distinction there. democratic senator patty murray of washington saying the situation at the u.s./mexico border is really a refugee crisis. that word very important. the united nations agrees and u.n. and other groups say people flee hadding nor infleeing nort u.s. should be treated as refugees it's an important distinction because it allows an undocumented person to seek asylum and get a new life in the u.s. immigrant status on the other hand typically means deportation. let's bring in lindsay jenkins with the u.n. refugee agency and also with us our own rosa
flores. lindsay, why is it so important to see this as a refugee crisis versus an immigration crisis? >> thank you very much, miguel. as unhcr, as the u.n. refugee agency it's our job to work with governments from around the world to identify and protect those who are fleeing for their lives and their freedoms. the situation of central american children fleeing north, fleeing south, fleeing their countries of origin is a very critical one to under astand an respond to and provide protection in. many of these children we've interviewed them, many of these children are fleeing violence, are fleeing all the circumstances that your program has highlighted so far. some of them are not. and what is really critical and the message here for the united states, for other countries in the region, is to give each child a chance to tell her story. to be heard by an official. to have that official listen to and understand why she left her home and to make a determination
on whether or not she needs international protection as a refugee. some of these children will. some of these children will not. >> that's a concern, obviously. that's the concern right there, and you have senators saying just get rid of them, just deport them, just get them out of the country. i take it when you hear that, your ears prick up and you're concerned. >> well, as the u.n. refugee agency it's our job to make sure that those who are fleeing for their lives and freedoms are protected, and children are particularly vulnerable in this situation so it's very critical that the united states and other governments in the region look, take a close look at each one of these cases and really understand why that child left. why did she need to leave her home. some of them are leaving behind some horrific things. we've interviewed these children. we understand. others are leaving for reasons that don't necessarily give rise to a refugee claim, so really what is critical here is each child tell her story to an official who has -- who can conduct a full and complete analysis of her case and if she
needs protection, give her that protection. if she doesn't, return her in a way that's humane and provide the conditions to return and reintegrate in a way that's meaningful so she doesn't have to flee again. >> so, a call for compassion, not just justice from the unhcr. rosa, you've been done to honduras, you've been on both sides of the border, mccowen, texas, you were a reporter there, you've seen this for a number of years. what is it to you when you see it? >> i think she's right. you really have to take it's a case-by-case basis, but when you see the massive migration from honduras and el salvador and guatemala moving towards the united states -- and i'll tell you, i talked to a lot of people both in honduras and the rio grande valley, a lot of these people mention the same things, it's because of the violence. your kids are getting recruited by the gangs. >> right. >> if they're a minor, they're getting recruited by the gangs and they're given an ultimatum really, you join or you're going
to die. that's one thing. the other thing they keep on mentioning is the poverty. they want to escape the poverty. they can't make ends meet. if we talk about child labor, in those three countries 1.3 million children between the ages of 5 and 15 are in the labor force and working. these kids when they are coming here 5 years old they've been working for a living to put food on the table. and then you also have to think about the culture that's driving them. a lot of them their parents are here in the united states illegally but, granted, they're here in the united states, so these kids are trying to reunite with their families. that's what i kept on hearing. >> right. >> and the recurring story both in honduras and the rio grande valley. >> it's such a complicated story. >> it is complicated. >> thank you very much for your story. you've been working it great. lindsay, please, please, please stay where you are. while this fight is getting worse, congress is doing a lot of fighting and not much else. it's asking too much of lawmakers to work together to fix this problem.
that coming up ahead. and at 6:00 eastern michael smerconish has his take on the news of the day starting with the focus that we're talking about here, immigration. >> we're talking about immigration and the ramification for the midterm elections and former presidential candidate pat buchanan is with me, he's got a unique insight into the oval office one that mitt romney might want to hear. and now the top spy chief has been kicked out of germany, are they one of our closest allies? and a welfare stereotype. join me right here at the top of the hour. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if frustration and paperwork decrease... the gap begins to close. so let's simplify things. let's close the gap between people and care.
and get the fastest wifi included. comcast business. built for business. every day more kids come across the border and every day congress fights about what to do about it. frustration is that grid lock is obvious. >> this is a problem of the president's own making. he has been president for five and a half years. when is he going to take responsibility for something? >> is anyone find ag solution?
lindsay jenkins from the u.n. refugee agency. let's start with you. is washington just too grid locked, too entrenched to do anything about this? >> we have seen it with other big issues. this one here is no exception. the only thing both sides could agree on is that this is an urgent issue. we are seeing some potential changes down the road. we are seeing a republican representative and a texas senator who according to some of our congressional sources plan to introduce some legislation this coming week, the humane act helping unaccompanied minors and alleviated national emergency act. part of the potential legislation would call for modification of the 2008 human trafficking law put into effect that is front and center. we talked about the stories as you have the central american children that have to go down
one particular road and then mexican children quickly deported. this act could potentially change that. that, of course, will be met with debate and avenue discussion from those people who want to see the children get to stay here. that is our week ahead. it might be a solution. >> one thing to call it a humane act. if you are talking about deporting kids who might be serious asylum seekers it is perhaps not humane at all. if the president deems this a refugee crisis isn't he going to open up the flood gates to more people from central america coming to the u.s.? >> that's a good question. the united states has a long history of providing protection and showing global leadership alleviating humanitarian suffering the world over. this really is a regional issue. we have seen this reflected in other countries in central america where others are
actually filing applications for asylum in mexico. it is important that the united states continue its role and we are confident it will in showing leadership and protect children and looking at an individual case and allowing that child to tell her story and to really receive protection if she needs it. and so we are very confident that the united states will continue that leadership. i have been down to the border recently. i have seen children. i have seen families. i have also seen american women and men who are working and responding on the border. they are working beyond their resources and doing important work at a critical time. >> very quickly if you can, what do you want to see happen? what is the most critical need that needs to be filled right now? >> the most critical need that needs to be filled right now is for the children to have their cases heard, to have an individual determination on whether or not they need to be protected and have that decision be made in a meaningful,
complete and timely way. that is critical for their protection and critical for the region and critical for the united states. >> easier said than done. lindsay jenkins, thank you very much. that is our immigration special for the evening. a crisis facing our nation with no easy answers. the headlines next. i've had surgery, and yes, i have occasional constipation. that's why i take doctor recommended colace capsules. [ male announcer ] for certain medical conditions where straining should be avoided, colace softens the stool
thanks for watching tonight. first the headlines. the number of people killed in the border cross fight between israel and hamas militants is now 150 according to cnn's ben wedeman. the community of spring, texas is in mourning remembering the six members of the family who were brutally shot and killed in their home this week. the only one to survive 15-year-old cassidy. she was shot in the head but managed to tip off police to the suspect's next move. family and police are calling her a hero. >> i'm really thankful for all of the people that have been praying for me and keeping me and my family in their thoughts for the past couple of days. and i would like to thank all of the first responders, nurses and
doctors that have taken care of me. i know that my mom, dad, brian, emily, becca are in a much better place and that i will be able to see them again one day. >> oh, my god, what an amazing little girl. i cannot believe she is able to speak. the man accused of the massacre collapsed in court during the reading of the six capital murder charges yesterday. passengers got quite a scare when they smelled something burning over the pacific ocean. take a look at this video shot from inside the plane. the boeing 777 was on its way from honolulu to guam when it began losing power. one passenger said people were shaking and crying. i bet they were. the plane was carrying 348 people. passengers were on the island for about seven hours before another plane took them back to
honolulu. brazil prefer to be playing in the world cup game tomorrow. the dutch won today's game easily. bitter for brazil. two straight defeats on its own turf. germany and arjgentina play for the cup tomorrow. an urgent crisis continues on our southern border leaving tens of thousands of immigrant children in limo. in the southwest it is a crush of emotions from anger to exacerbation while in washington it is the usual finger pointing and chest thumping. reform, security, compromise, so many choices. i'm michael smerconish. let's get started. my first headline from the "new york times" and