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states but they'll keep spending in blue states to expand the map keep it in their favor. that's "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning. "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. september brings the president double trouble in an election season. handling isis and immigration. today, the president gets blowback for his immigration turnaround. california congressman tony cardenas one of many unhappy democrats is with us. then the strategy is uncertain but the end game is defined, destroy isis. >> you can't contain an organization that is running roughshod through that much territory. the goal has to be to dismantle them. >> capitol hill's go-to people on matters of security and intelligence. senator dianne feinstein and congress tan mike rogers are here. plus, 13 years since 9/11, fear of al kay do turns to talk
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of isis and the threat to u.s. security. conversation where the rubber meets the road with the mayors of boston, ifily fill, and san diego. philadelphia, and san diego. and whatever happened to the economy, stupid, or for that matter obamacare? our political panel weighs in on what's driving the elections that will shape the administration's twilight years. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. president obama is back from europe. he brought home a brand new coalition of nine nations to help in the fight against isis. just how, we'll apparently find out later. and then there's this weekend's big announcement the president we thought would find some way to stop deporting otherwise law-abiding people who aren't documented won't take any action until after the november elections. gives us plenty to talk about with senator dianne feinstein and congressman rogers. first to you, congressman rogers. the president has delayed this executive order that he
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indicated in june would happen at end of the summer. why'd he do that? >> well, i think he's being prudent about it. when you look at, a, this is such an emotional issue all across america, i think that was wise. he needs to work with congress on this. it's not just about the immigration problem of the illegals who are in the united states and what their status might be. that southern border has become a national security issue, a public health issue for the united states, and certainly a local security issue, all of those things need to be i think addressed. the best way in a cooperative effort with congress. you'll get a much better product, a secure border and we can move forward. >> let me intervene and say the president says he'll do the executive action right after the midterm. you don't see this as political action on the president's part, you think he'll cooperate with congress and come up with an immigration bill? >> well, i clearly think that it's political in the sense that he understands how unpopular
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that decision would be with americans, and it's probably not the right decision, as a matter of fact it isn't and would not be the right decision for him to do that. i hope he dubt' do it after the election. i think at least he postponed it at this point, again people rushing to do this, there are lots of implications here for national security, local security, public health security, costs of education. there are huge problems with this. the best way to do this is to bring people together and work with them in congress. i think question come up with a bill that secures the border and gets to, you know, moves this issue along to a place where americans can be comfortable with it. i think it's very risky for the president, he already has a bit of a credibility crisis, to take this step. i think it would make a long two years remainder in his presidency. >> let me pick up with the credibility price christis, because where he has one now is with latino community, which you know has sloeted heavily democratic in the past. is there long-term damage and the president who promised and
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promised and promised from his first, you know, campaign actually that he would deal with the immigration issue, it looks like there's some damage done here. >> well, i have no knowledge of what he can do legally under an executive order. i also believe it would be legally challenged. the senate has spent, under the leadership of pat leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee, literally months on a bill, a comprehensive bill, 100 amendments, week after week after week. it is a good bill. all the house would have to do is pass one part of that bill. we could conference it, work out the differences, and we would have an immigration bill which would be strong. >> but the president says look, i'm going to do this after the election. politics are at play here, yes? can we state the obvious? >> i'm of the opinion the way this should be done is legislatively, because anything else will be challenged, and probably will not be nearly the bill that is actually needed to
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solve the problems. >> i want to move you on now to isis and a number of the things said, congressman rogers i want to pick up with an op-ed you wrote in "time" magazine this week, and pull out a part of it where you said this, referring to isis, is a terrorist organization that has an army, and we need to treat it that way, defeat this enemy we will have to risk americans who will be operating in the fight. okay, specifically how would they be operating in the fight? >> well you need two things to defeat isis the way they're configured. remember, they have a governing council, they have an oil minister appointed that we think generates about $1 million a die in revenue for this terrorist organization that funds its operations and we hope it doesn't go external. what you have to do when you start acting like a government, you start acting in the control of that territory and an army, it presents targets of opportunity so you can continue to degrade and dismantle them.
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that would mean that we have intelligence and special capability military forces that would have to operate with your allies, arab league partners, with the peshmerga and we're not configured to do that today and if we do that, we can add leverage to this fight in a way that can be very, very effective, but it does mean that we'll have some forces who will be exposed. this doesn't mean big military 101st airborne. means the intelligence services folks. >> special operations, special forces stuff. senator feinstein, the president has his coalition. he talked about it at nato, but in the past, we've had a coalition of the willing and they weren't willing to do a number of things. we had some nations in the war in iraq who said we're fine but in afghanistan, keep us out of the war zone. we don't want to be in the war zone and also don't want to carry guns. how much help is it to have a coalition of the willing if
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they're not willing to go, what both you and congressman rogers think should happen, to destroy isis and of course the president is. >> i want to congratulate the president. he is now on the offense. he has put together the coalition of nine nations. his people are in different regional countries as we speak consulting and trying to bring in other countries in the region. i think that this is a major change in how isis is approa approached. in my view, i in think in mike's view, too, ice sis a major threat to this country, in the future, and right now to the entirety of syria and iraq, and the expanding caliphate. i think where they're going is to baghdad. it is my belief they will try to attack our embassy, so we're going to protect our embassy, protect our council in erbil and at the same time begin to use special operations, more isr,
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crack down on where they're getting their money, and taking aggressive action against this terrorist group. it is overdue, but the president is now there and i think it's the right thing for america, and hopefully our partners will be aggressive with us. >> congresswoman, the senator says the president is now there. we've heard his rhetoric change. he's talking about dismantling and destroying. we also know that he is going to meet with congressional leaders about isis this week, and he is going to have an address to the nation wednesday. so tell me, and we're told that he will have a plan. what do you want to be in that plan? what does he have to say to the american people? >> well, first of all, he needs to acknowledge the problem of isis. there's been some confusion coming out of the administration, this is the toughest talk that we've heard from the president and i agree with senator feinstein that's a good thing, because they are a
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threat. senator and i see all this intelligence, and that's been very concerning for us. so this is important that he lays out the case to the united states of why it is a threat. he's been reluctant to do that, he's been reluctant to posture america in a position that is willing and understanding to, a, dismantle them, and b, why we should dismantle them, why is it in u.s. interests and it's not just iraq and syria. it is both of those, but it's also everything in the lavante. they want lebanon, they want israel, they want jordan so they're closing trouble in all of those places. the president needs to lay out a case and clearly he's put together a coalition of the willing, we've heard that before, to tackle this problem, that's good but we need to be aggressive in posturing ourselves to get ready for this. these are things the president can do, he needs to engage congress, the american people on what exactly we're going to do here and we don't have to talk
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about targets and how many sorties we're flying or how many stripes we do. we need to have an end game and the president ought to lay out the strategy and saying here's what we're going to do, invest ourselves with arab league partners and repairing happening with relationships that's important. i think this can be a pass of it thing for the united states if we do this right. >> senator feinstein, what do you want to hear from the president both in private in the congressional leadership meetings and what do you want him to say to the public specifically in terms of strategy? >> well i spoke with ben rhodes yesterday and asked him who is going to be in charge now? the devil is in the details of putting this together. and he said very clearly secretary hagel and secretary kerry. so what i want to hear is from both of those two, what is the military plan and what is the diplomatic plan, and time's a-wasting, because we've now said we're going to go on the offensive and it's time for
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america to project power and strength. >> and senator, the one thing you want to hear the president say to the american people wednesday? >> the one thing is, wednesday when he speaks that what the change is, what the coalition of the willing is willing to do, what the saudis are going to do, if, in fact, and there's a difference of opinion on this, is iran going to help? iran has offered to help. i, for one, think that's useful. what other middle eastern countries are going to do and what would be the prime role for america. we have made air strikes 137 times. ? . >> in iraq. >> we should have special operations, we should use our isr much more than has been. it's been difficult in syria but that is now ramping up. i believe we should go after
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their command and control where there are caches of equipment and use that isr and take it out as well as in iraq, same thing. >> going to be a busy, interesting week. senator dianne feinstein, congressman rogers, thanks for kicking it off for us, appreciate it. >> thank you, candy. a recent pew poll say 67% of americans see isiss a major threat to the u.s. up next, three mayors on the challenges of keeping their cities safe in the age of isis. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when grandparents get to live at home instead of in a home. so let's do it. let's simplify healthcare.
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thursday is september 11th and that's disquieting enough but this year, there's lots of talk about americans being radicalized and trained by isis, and then coming home, which makes it something our next guests need to worry about. with me mayor michael nutter in philadelphia and mayor marty nelson in boston and san diego mayor kevin faulconer. thank you for being here on a weekend mayors pay attention to things like security. let me talk first about this isis threat, and ask you, less's go first to mayor nutter and ask you, we have heard so much high-pitched rhetoric about the threat of isis and these americans being radicalized and coming home.
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has any of it filtered down to your city? have the feds said hey, watch this, watch that? has anything changed since this has taken over the headlines? >> well, candy, i mean, we're engaged in security each and every day, not just in this week leading up to 9/11, and of course everyone is that much more concerned. i mean, isis is a menace to the world, so i mean we recognize and people do recognize, they watch tv, listen to the radio, read whatever they read, they know that this threat of an organization is out there. they're doing some of the most insane things that we've seen in recent times and so we have regular security updates, i get an update every day from police commissioner ramsey. we have delaware valley intelligence center, so we're in constant communication with our federal partners, the department of homeland security, the fbi, and a number of other agencies, and so i mean, security for the mayors on this show today, security is an everyday thing.
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it's what we do for our scitizes and of course provide all the other services that people expect in cities, but obviously we're paying a lot more attention, there's always chatter out there. you can't ignore it, but at the same time you know, we have to move on with our day-to-day lives. >> mayor walsh, let me share with our viewers a pew poll that came out recently, the question is, isis, is it a major threat to the u.s.? 67% of americans said yes it is. so what i'm asking is, on the specifics of isis, of these americans that go off and get trained and come back, because they have passports or for that matter westerners, all they have to do is get to london and they can get to the u.s. has that come up specifically in conversations about security in your city? >> yes, i certainly have spoke on it my police commissioner billy evans and we are working with the federal government every single day to track people that come into the united states
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or track people heading this way. we have what's called the boston regional intelligence commission, bric, and they're looking at everything around the world here as well, not just what's happening in boston or a massachusetts or the united states. they're looking around the globe. our police department is diligent in working together with the federal authorities, as mayor nutter mentioned. we also have in boston the office of emergency management which we're constantly keeping information up front for any potential threats, as everyone knows a year ago in boston we had the marathon bombing, something that was very concerning to all of us in the city of boston. this year we have the marathon, the one-year anniversary, and then the one year after the marathon and we really put a lot of emphasis into protecting and security, but it's something we do every single day in the city of boston and i this i thssue really is more and more every
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day on the hands of the mayors of the country to make sure their cities are safe. >> as i recall mayor faulconer, when we had the boston bombing those were names not passed along to local officials. they had sort of hit the radar and disappeared at the federal level, but i think when we look at your city, what we think about is the border, and we're getting these increasing numbers of oh my gosh, isis can come across the border, terrorists of any kind can come across the border because it's so free flowing. >> it's all about communication and collaboration. if you heard from the other mayors particularly in san diego we look at one of the largest land border crossings in the world, 50,000 vehicles a day that cross the border, about 25,000 pedestrian so it's critically important not only we share with our state, local, federal partners here in the united states but it's something that we do on literally a daily basis with our partners in mexico, sharing that information. we have something called a fusion center which we have in other cities across the country
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where every single day we are sharing that information, passing it along and it's just part of a way of life now from law enforcement and policing. >> let me ask you, as we are approaching 9/11, all three of you, mayor nutter maybe first to you, my previous two guests have told me several times on air and otherwise, that is the chairs of the intelligence committees that we are not as safe as we were post-9/11 or pre-9/11. i want to know from the street level do you all feel safer now in your city, should your residents feel safer now in your cities than they did post-9/11, mayor nutter? >> there's no question that we are safer, smarter, much more aware of world events, local events u know, some of this insanity is home-grown, if you will, right here in the united states of america, but candy, we
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have changed so many processes and procedures. everyone experiences it every day. if you're flying, if you're on the railways, just normal day-to-day, there is a new normal in america. everything changed on september 11th, 2001 and we're constantly building in new process, new procedure, new ways of getting information, the collaboration certainly is at its highest level, and so it's not like we've forgotten. we're only trying to get better, and on the ground, as again the other mayors have said, whether it's a fusion center, the fusion network, the offices of emergency management, we all talk, and we communicate and coordinate with each other on a regular basis. it's just built in now. i mean, it's a part of the day-to-day activity in the united states of america. we know we have enemies. we know that there are threats out there. we still have to provide day-to-day service, but the level of coordination in the law
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enforcement agencies, the security agencies, is certainly at its highest level in a post 9/11 environment. >> mayor walsh, let me put it to you this way, what keeps you up at night? >> well, what keeps me up at night is i start my morning every morning with a phone call from the police commissioner to talk about what happened in the city the night before, and when i first got elected mayor, i thought about different circumstances when i get a phone call and certainly a terrorist attack is one of those calls that i'm hoping i never receive, but when you look back at the police department pre-9/11, the training, the technology is all different, the way that police officers are trained is different. i think we have to look at, there's a lot of attention on isis but the police don't have the luxury of worrying about one group. we have to make the residents are safe. potential terrorist attack could come from any area of this country or any area of this world but also i think the community, people in the neighborhoods are a lot more
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engaged and after 9/11 here in boston i know that a lot of the cells were here in the city and a lot of the community groups knew something was wrong with certain areas of the city, with some of these folks, and i think the community's even more aware. what i have to do as mayor of the city of boston is really make sure that people stay enga engaged, keep an eye on their community. pre-9/11 the neighborhood organizations were worried about crime in their neighborhood and maybe drug dealing or somebody acting out. >> right. >> today it's so different than that and i think it's important for us to let the community know, so i think our city is safer. i feel it's safer. however, that doesn't mean that we can't every single day change something that we can't, the police can't talk to the federal government, can't talk to homeland security, can't talk to police departments in philadelphia and san diego. it has to be constant communication, constant diligence here and we're going to continue to do that in the city of boston and this country. unfortunately, it's changed. after 9/11, you know, we had a period of relatively secure
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neighborhoods in the city and in the country. >> right. >> then the marathon monday happens so we can never put our guard down. >> mayor faulconer, you know that mayor walsh has hit on it, and that is that it's not just isis. it's lone wolves. >> yes. >> it's someone coming across the border, someone coming in on a plane. and so when you say to your citizens, look, we've got this under control, do you reasonably feel that you are safer now? >> well the answer is constantly changing and the threat is constantly evolving and you have to be ahead of it. one of the things i think is key, we talked a little bit about this, getting down to the neighborhood level, particularly in the cities. one of the things that we have in san diego is we have what we call terrorism liaison officers. these are police officers that have been cross-trained in terrorist prevention. there's over 100 of them, they're out there every single day, every night, on every shift. we're encouraging all of our
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neighbors and citizens as part of the homeland security effort, if you see something, say something. it's all about getting that information out, so it can be investigated. nothing too small or too big but it really comes down to that pup and that local level, neighborhood by neighborhood, that's something that i think every city across the country, big city has found, that's the best way that we share information and to make sure we're communicating with our neighbors every single day. >> mayor kevin faulconer -- >> candy, i just want to make sure -- >> yes, sir, go ahead. >> just day to day people not necessarily only worried about isis. if you heard gunshots last night it probably wasn't ice this your neighborhood. that's some local person doing something and the mayors also have to focus on those issues on a day-to-day basis as well. >> i take your point, mayor michael nutter, philadelphia, boston mayor marty walsh, and san diego mayor michael
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you will remember this like it was two months ago. the president promising executive action on immigration reform asap. >> i expect the recommendations before the end of the summer. and i intend to adopt those recommendations without further delay. >> the president said he had to act because congressional republicans refused to. >> it's just politics. plain and simple. >> that was so june 30th. this weekend the white house let it be known the president would delay any action on immigration until after the midterm elections. is that politics plain and simple? joining me from along the border in brownsville, texas, is democrat tony cardenas whose district by the way is near los angeles. congressman, has the president betrayed the latino count? >> well, we all are frustrated with him right now. he's taken way too long to take
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his xkive actions but unfortunately, candy, it's really been the disgusting do nothing congress that forced his hand to have to contemplate taking executive action so i think the first blame is with congress, not doing its job and now the president is forced to have to take a measure like executive actions. >> well, except for that he has a free hand into when he plans to do the executive actions so the question really is, was this a political move? we know there have been some of your colleagues most democrats on the senate side saying do not take this action, which, as far as we understand it, would be to allow some undocumented workers who are here with no criminal record to stay without fear of deportation. that's what we thought he was going to do. he said he would do it june 30th, asap, end of summer is what he mentioned. now he's not doing it. why is that? >> well the president, when the
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hispanic caucus, i was there at the meeting in the white house with the president and vice president. the president said he was going to do it. he said he would take time to analyze it and do it right. we were hoping he'd do it this summer since congress hasn't taken action but again candy it's congress isn't doing its job, in a work environment or home if somebody isn't do their chores or part we shouldn't be too upset with the person having to pick up after the other person and do their job as well. >> i understand you're a democrat and the president is the party leader, as well as the president, but we have heard nothing but criticism and pretty harsh criticism from advocacy groups for latinos and undocumented workers saying this is a betrayal, the president aplaying politics. do you share any of that outrage? >> well, i believe that when we met with the president, he meant what he said.
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i think the president will eventually take executive action. i don't see speaker boehner or the republicans doing their job and put something on the floor so we can vote it like the senate passed by 60 out of 108 votes. at the same time, candy, honestly the bottom line is of course there's politics going on. i don't like what the president's advisers may be telling him. i can only speculate they've encouraged them to wait. i would prefer he do it now. there are 11 million people here in the shadows in the united states and by and large, kabdca they're here to work and they're a boon to our economy. if the president does parole in place that would affect a few million people, allow them to work, have a work visa while they're getting their documentation in order. >> right. >> that would put a lot of businesses around the country on better footing. >> bottom line, congressman, when and if the president acts after the midterm elections, do you think the latino community which as you know largely votes
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democratic will forgive him for what they're right now really outraged about? >> well, the fact of the matter doesn't look like president obama will be on the ballot ever again. he's president. he's serving his second term. when it comes to the latino community they're frustrated with the president but i think they're really pissed off with the republican party and what they represent and the fa kt that there were some republicans who united with democrats and passed by 68 votes comprehensive immigration reform, and yet it sits in the house that's controlled by republicans and we have not had an opportunity to debate it. we have not had an opportunity to vote on it so republicans and democrats in our house have not had the opportunity to show the leadership and put our vote to our name and show the public where we stand. >> democrat tony cardenas, congressman, thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thank you very much, candy. next up, how president obama's double headaches of immigration and isis will affect his fellow democrats and perhaps determine which party controls
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president obama may have put off executive orders on immigration until after the election, but isis won't wait.
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this wednesday he addresses the nation on what he called the isis threat and his game plan going forward. joining me "crossfire" host newt gingrich and s.e. cupp along with maria cardona and l.z. granderson. thanks all. let me start with immigration. it is my theory that when you look at this election in the states that begin to matter for control of the senate, that the polls are close enough that anything, any win can move it one way or the other. tell me whether the president's decision to postpone immigration, any immigration executive order will move this race and enhance or detract from republican efforts to control the senate. >> well, i think the folks that are disappointed with president obama are still going to be with president obama, and so i think he made a calculated risk. it was clearly a political decision to pretend that this was over republican politics and
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not democratic politics is really silly, and pretty transparent, but it was a political decision, and look, the president floated this trial balloon of de facto amnesty. it sunk. if it were really popular, he would have no problem going are it, but both the american people are skeptical of it, and democrat s in vulnerable states don't want it. >> can we just either one of you just admit that this really was about midterm politics? because look, we all know -- okay. >> yes. >> so many people say it's about the republicans. >> they're still blaming republicans. >> okay, continue. >> this absolutely was of course about midterm politics and i think what the president did was he is implementing the political version of the hippocratic oath which is first do no harm. now i do think that in the long-term, it was about the political situation about immigration reform. look, you know, i agree with
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congressman cardenas, absolutely there is disappointment, myself included as a latina and activist the president didn't do this right now. republicans abdicated the responsibility on this issue. moving forward the president and the white house believe that trying to keep a democratic senate in the long-term will help pass what is the real solution, which is comprehensive immigration reform. >> i've seen this as an activist in the lgbt community if you go back 2008-2000 the, we're waiting for him to take executive action, waiting for don't ask, don't tell to be overturned. they waited until after midterm elections results, it's politics as usual, politics over policy. it's frustrating but the the end of the day no different than what any other president in the congress has done to maintain power. that's the true lesson. >> and newt wasn't the calculation listen i'm more worried about doing harm to democrats by arousing the tea party which was really what he was worried about. >> first of all i think he was
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honest today in saying in an interview that the flood of children coming in this summer changed all the equations and all the emotions, that it suddenly became much harder to do something and in the red states where he has democrats who are in trouble in the senate virtually all of them were saying please, don't do this, but i think there's a bigger narrative here. this is one more example of obama being incapable of figuring out how to do whatever he promises he's going to do, and you go to ukraine, you go to iraq, you go to estonia this week, you go to all sorts of things and you get the maureen dowd kind of columns that are so scathing that it's a little hard to believe she'd write it bay democrat. this is going to pile on more because his language in the summer was so decisive and his behavior now is so cowardly that the gap between those two is astonishing. >> i wouldn't say cowardly, i would say more calculative.
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>> i really don't think, and he's made this mistake before, to put on himself a false deadline. he could have very easily gone out in the summer and said i will do this before the year is over and would not have put himself in this position. >> right. >> errors there. >> yes. let me turn to you isis because the president's having a speech to the nation on wednesday, he's talking to congressional leaders, we're told he's going to outline his plan, so what are with he expecting from him? >> let me say up front, the problem with isis is very parallel to the problem with ebola. it is a problem in epidemiology. you had two people killed from minnesota recently, one of them for ten years had clearance on the minneapolis airport to work on the airplanes. we're lucky he decided to be a terrorist in syria, not a terrorist at the airport. nobody understands the spread of this stuff. it's not about syria. if he makes a speech about syria in iraq, by definition, it is wrong. because this is not a problem of syria in iraq.
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there are over 500 british terrorists other there, between 100 and 200 american terrorists, 10,000 potential terrorists from over 50 countries. if we don't understand this is an epidemiology problem, a problem of tracking down a worldwide movement that is spreading very rapidly. >> lls the president's put himself in a tough position and he's daned if he does, damned if he doesn't and that's his own fault. his foreign policy is largely based on the mantra don't be bush and that's a very incomplete foreign policy. when he's forced inevitably to be a little like bush, whether it's on gitmo or drones or going back into iraq he's in a dangerous political position he never had to be in if he carved out his own foreign policy. >> i don't think he's necessarily don't be burr. it's don't be rash. don't be not smart. >> i just want to, and that's a
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question, when does don't be rash look like weak because we now have polls with people, the latest pew poll i think said that more americans think he's too weak than think he's doing just fine. >> we don't have an apreeshs of nuance, we don't have an appreciation of having a thoughtful conversation about something. we think straight, it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. >> he hasn't been able to communicate this effective pi. >> this president has always been methodical about this, his focus is on the long game and not just don't beat bush. clearly that's a part of it. he is where the american people are on this. the american people don't want to move forward in a flash way guns a-blazing like bush did. >> we are tea talking about moving in in a rash way with guns blazing? >> the republicans have done that. >> if you knew him you would take -- >> he's not calling for boots on the ground. >> can i just say you watch the last two years, you two are
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doing a very artful job of trying to pretend that chaos, confusion and misunderstanding make sense. look at the number of red lines in syria, none of which matters. look at the number of red lines in ukraine, none of which mattered. the current effort saying we're going to be decisive, kind of going to manage t we're not going to use american troops unless they're special forces because special forces aren't boots on the ground because apparently they wear sneakers. give me a break, this is chaos. >> that is methodical and people appreciate that thoughtfulness. >> they don't. >> i have to sneak in a break but we'll be back with this right after this.
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around today, whatever happened to it's the economy, stupid? whatever happened to obama care? now we're talking about isis and immigration. what's driving these adds particularly in the close senate races? >> i think a lot of this, you said it at the very beginning, in such close races anything can affect. isis is on people's minds. immigration is clearly an issue. as things recede, congress goes home and they're focusing on the races, there are a lot of local issues coming up. republicans will try to hang obama care on the necks of the candidates they're running against. not as easy as it would be a year ago. i think the economy will come up as things start to recede on the foreign policy front. anything can be an issue. >> foreign policy is not making the white house look particularly competent right now. however, if republicans take the senate, it will be because of two domestic issues, that's
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obama care and energy. if you look at obama care, it's still not very popular, especially in the red states. in coal producing states, this is part of the platform of republicans running against democrats and part of the reason these vulnerable democrats are running away from president obama. so i think in the end foreign policy has captured all of our attentions, but these two domestic issues are what are still going to drive people to the polls in november. >> people in the polls in november will pull the lever because? >> there's something deeper that's happening. gallup is coming out this week and saying for the first time in recent memory, iowa now is a net republican state. that the number of people identifying as democrats has dropped precipitously in the last six months and the number of people identifying as republicans is dropping. you're seeing this happening. this is the underlying pattern towards a tidal wave. it doesn't show up until october 1st. it's altogether.
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you can't take them apart. my cousin can't get a job. people are seeing a local story in alaska yesterday that obama care prices are going up. it's people looking at the energy issue and saying, how come we can't get the pipeline agreed to. you go place by place. >> sounds like l.a.'s campaign. >> the fact of the matter is it's people looking at whether or not they like obama and not noticing that some of the policies they like are because of obama. you talk about how unpopular obama care is? sure. do you like the fact that you won't get kicked off of your insurance because of x. do you want boots on the ground? no. all of these are obama's policies. because they don't like obama they think they don't like his policies. >> let's remember this, candy. we're talking about democrats keeping the senate. five months ago republicans were swearing up and down that they were going to take over the senate. let's also keep in mind that in all of these districts and states the republican party has
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the worst reputation in american polling of any political party in history. >> yeah, but now you'll -- >> the republican party they're voting for individuals. >> right. even your safe states, even mark was looking good until this huge unforced error in alaska with the negative political attack ad that's exploiting the victims of sexual abuse. i mean, you're right, nothing's over. you might lose more than you think. >> then he goes back -- >> the fact that it's over is huge, s.c., because six months ago republicans were going to take over the -- >> three months ago is a lifetime. >> that is very true. we'll see. >> when you look at arkansas and kentucky and we looked inside the polls, he, meaning the president, is wildly unpopular in both states. in arkansas 60% disapprove of the president's handling of things. 64% in kentucky. that's a big win. >> yeah. it's going to be very hard in
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the end. what you have is an enormous amount of money has gone out to prop up people like him who's a prominent person. i lived through in in '86 and a number of my friends got slauterserslau slaughter slaughtered. he's the only one that gets to answer that because i have to run. >> still looking for the big wage. newt gingrich, l.z. granderson, s.e. cupp, thank you. we'll be right back. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises.
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on today's show we'll tackle the two major issues that dominated the nato summit. russia and ukraine. and isis in iraq and syria. then to get another crisis brewing. in pakistan. another civilian government is teetering on the brink. will this former cricket star