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is that really inappropriate? ♪ ♪ >> and finally, a performance that's getting attention for the right reasons, pop star rihanna dazzled the crowd with her song "diamonds" it included appearances by jamie foxx, george lopez and the biggest crowd pleaseder of all, metallica. lop lopez took heat for his use of foul language. wolf blitzer in "the situation room". >> the u.s. and its allies now realizing they can't get rid of the terror group. ed royce is here and we'll talk about it. sailors attacked. u.s. service members in turkey, a key ally in the fight against isis. they're roughed up by a hostile turkish crowd. the whole thing captured in a shocking video. china's stealth fighter brazenly
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tested during president obama's visit. the new warplane can avoid detection by radar. was the technology stolen from the united states? dramatic rescue. window washers left dangling 69 floors up. you will see how they were brought to safety. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- this is cnn breaking news. >> let's get right to the breaking news. the united states and its coalition partners now realizes isis can't be defeated without big changes inside syria including the ouster of the syrian president bashar al assad. new details on a new strategy. one of those coalition partners, turkey, is the scene on an attack on u.s. sailors. the americans surrounded, threatened and roughed up by a group of radical activists. the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee congressman ed royce is standing by along with our correspondent, our analysts and newsmakers. let's begin the breaking news coverage this hour with an
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intensive effort to come up with a new strategy to defeat isis. they're convinced that means a new strategy for syria, one that would remove president bashar al assad from power. our global affairs correspondent elise labott is here and working the story. what are you learning? >> wolf, two months ago president obama was slammed for saying he didn't have a strategy and now the president is seeking to review a plan for syria including the eventual remover of bashar al assad. you are not going to defeat isis without a plan to get rid of assad who the u.s. and many of the allies see as the reason isis has been able to gain strength in the country. it's really an admission the initial strategy to confront icis in iraq first and take on syria was a major miscalculation. in just the past week the national security team has met four times including one meeting chaired by the president, wolf, to discuss how the syria strategy will fit into the
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overall strategy of combatting isis. >> how are the allies and coalition partners reacting to this emerging strategy? >> wolf, you know many of the president's advisers and secretary kerry's defense and secretary hagel have been calling for a more robust strategy in syria and when secretary kerrie and general john allen who is the envoy to the global coalition travel across the globe they're talking with the allies and some are saying, listen, the strategy to defeat isis only works if there is a coherent plan for a more serious future. secretary kerry intensifying talks with allies and arab diplomats tell cnn kerry, allen and others have been pushing for a political road map transitioning assad from power and it went after icis in iraq hoping that it would give them time to have a moderate rebel force who would go after isis and eventually assad's regime and officials realize they don't have the time to go after iraq first, because the
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administration is battling the opposition is battling two fronts. the regime and isis that could be obliterated by the time the u.s. pivots to syria to iraq and talk about the trainer-equipped program with allies. the vetting of those rebels hasn't started yet and it would be very difficult and you don't have a viable plan for an opposition and political opposition in syria, but we understand that secretary kerrie and key arab allies and turkey, the uae and saudi arabia and russia involved and secretary kerry has mentioned this on the margins of nuclear talks to i n iranian foreign ministers and they're hoping that everybody can at least agree on a political transition and it's going to take a lot of time and eventually they do want to see president assad out, but maybe maintain a lot of the regime and the institutions of the state. >> the iranians don't want to see president bashar al assad out there and they can have talks on the margins.
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that will probably not go very far with the iranians. elise, thanks very much. turkey, a key nato ally, a partner in this fight against isis the scene of a being shoing incidents and all chaptered on video. three american sailors are surrounded and they have bags thrown over their heads and roughed up during shore leave. barbara starr, what happened? >> wolf, the u.s. is calling this video appalling and disturbing and that is just the beginning of it. >>. >> the attack begins with anti-american slogans shouted at three u.s. navy sailors on shore leefr in istanbul, turkey. >>. >> you declare that you're a member of u.s. army and now because we define you as murderers, as killers we want you to get out of our land. >> then the assailants throw
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objects and splash red paint and physically assault the sailors. about 20 men swarm them, shoving, grabbing and -- >> yankee, go home! yankee, go home! >> and then they put bags over their heads. the sailors put their hands up and do not resist. no one comes to their aid. the assailants then chase the americans as they run, still chanting yankee, go home! >> this event clearly crossed the line from peaceful protest to violence and threats. >> the turkish youth union and anti-government group claims responsibility, putting out a statement saying in part, bags we put over american soldiers are for the nations from palestine to syria. >> they went to a place where they expected to see american sailors and they were carrying banners with the photograph on them and their group's emblem. they had the bags with them so
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this was clearly something that was planned. >> the incident especially sensitive because it happened in turkey. a nato ally, the u.s. wants help from in the war against isis in next door syria and iraq. the beseeched syrian city of kobani within eyesight of the turkish border. the u.s. has been pressing for the use of turkish bases and to have turkey host training of moderate syrian rebels. it comes as the u.n. strategy and coalition commitment is being called into question. >> pentagon leadership will face a republican dominated house arms services committee hearing. >> i don't think the white house administration is totally in tune with what needs to be done. >> republican patience is running out. >>. >> what i want to hear from them is what they're going to do to fix this strategy. >> back to those sailor, wolf. the u.s. navy is applauding them for keeping their cool and not doing anything themselves to
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escalate the situation. still, those young men had to have been traumatized by this. >> i'm sure they were. they had those bags thrown over their head and there were shouts of yankees, go home. this was an ugly, ugly scene, barbara, thanks for that report. let's get more from the chief national correspondent jim sciutto. this u.s.-turkish relationship it potentially could be on the line. >> this just in to cnn that the cnn has canceled all shore leefr for sailors from the uss ross, the guided missile destroyer from which those sailors had come on shore from. that in itself not a major step. the ross was planning to push out tomorrow, but for all future u.s. ships visiting turkey and this happens eight to ten times a year as they go into the black sea, their shore leave is now to be determined, going forward, the u.s. navy taking this very seriously. they're going to base that decision on how the investigation turns out with turkish authorities in conjunction with the u.s.
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embassy and consulate in turkey, as well as they look into who carried out this attack. even earlier they had been told, jim, don't wear uniforms in turkey, wear civilian clothes. >> no question. this is a step that we're hearing even across the border, north of us here in canada in response to an attack we had a couple of weeks ago by a car on a canadian serviceman that this is a concern. they're not telling anybody not to wear their uniforms anywhere in the world, but it is a step they're willing to take in countries where they face threats like this. >> jim, thanks very much. let's get some more now and joining us the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee and ed royce of california. mr. chairman, thanks very much for joining us. >> that's very disturbing to see what's going on in istanbul, three american sailors, they leave the uss ross and they go out there from shore leave and all of a sudden they're roughed up by these turkish thugs. >> and they kept their composure, but i think what's very, very concerning to us is that this particular
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ultra-nationalist group that obviously pre-planned this attack, it would be good if you heard the head of state in turkey erdogan speak out, but instead of ratcheting the pressure and the temperature down, his rhetoric has been increasingly anti-american in and of itself and so, for it to be a nato ally and to have a government here that is so problematic increasingly, that's been one of the challenges and they're still not letting u.s. warplanes take off or land at any of the nato bases in turkey in insurlic. >> we hope through diplomacy to resolve these issues because frankly they should have the same interests we have with respect with going against isis, but in the meantime if they don't bring charges against this
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ultranationalist turkey organization, i think we'll have questions. >> you want to see arrests and major action. you know the turkish military and their overall security are pretty good if you've ever been to turkey. could an incidents like this happen without them knowing about it? is this just a bunch of random hooligans, if you will? because this is a -- this looked like a pretty well organized operation. >> i think they can reassure us by making arrests and by bringing these d individuals to the bar of justice and yes, i think theys have the capability to do it. i want you to hold on for a moment. we have a lot more to discuss. we have to take a quick break. much more from the chairman of the house foreign relations committee. much more after this.
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40 air strikes a day on some days, attacks on civilian targets. they say if you marginalize or remove this assad, we could put syria back together and that will make it easier to take on isis and at that point perhaps we bring troops into the field. you have the same analysis out of the gulf states. >> what does that mean the u.s., we bring troops back into the field? what does that mean? >> this would mean that turkey would actually commit brigades. their armor is up on the border. you watch that battle and you reported over that battle over kobani where you saw the armored divisions of turkey not engage in the fight, but simply sitting there watching on the turkish border, you know, a few football fields away. they could move into these areas and really push back isis, but they've asked for a plan and a plan that deals with the removal of assad.
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combat boots on the ground, as they say, the turkish combat troops going in and why should turkish ground forces go in and they refuse to send ground troops on the ground. >> show us a plan and show us something that gets to a situation that will resolve the problem in syria such as the removal of assad and at that point, we will consider sending those turkish boots on the ground and that's part of the dialogue. >> that would be a huge development if turkish combat troops, artillery, tanks and armored personnel carriers and warplane, if they were to move in, not just go against isis and move against the bashar al assad regime and you're talking about a huge escalation of this war. or a solution to the problem of getting a resolution because at this point you've got several million refushgees from syria mt of them right on the border or
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inside turkey. you have massive losses of life and so turkey could be in the largest army and in this theater could put an enormous amount of pressure and i think this might be an attempt to get more engagement from turkey on this resolution of the problem with iceis. >> could you see a day when the u.s. could start using combat ground forces in syria or iraq for that matter? >> i don't see that happening. what i see is the u.s. potentially training kurdish forces, u.s. training sunni anti-isil forces whether they be iraqi or whether they be the free syrian army. that i could see, but not the introduction of u.s. combat troops. >> you don't see that at all? this training program, though, that could take years and years and years to get anywhere, right? in syria or iraq, for that matter? the iraqi military has proven to
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be basically mia. >> think about this, you have a different situation in baghdad today. when general allen was there last training for the awakening in anbar province, at that point you had a functioning relationship and then you ended up with malaki and now malaki is gone. for that reason they've asked general allen to return to start the training again with the presumption that the situation has change nowed and we can get some support to those anti-isil forces. we want them to do the fight. very quickly on ukraine and it looks like that situation along with the russian border in ukraine is escalating big time and the nato supreme allied commander and even as concerned, he raised the specter of russia moving equipment and weapons into ukraine that have nuclear capability. >> they've been sounding the alarm here and i think what he sees on the ground is russian forces as well as the rebels.
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with this -- with equipment moving to try to take the airfield in donetsk outside of donetsk and what's unusual is the degree of involvement of regular russian army troops. in the past they've tried to disguise this, but the other -- >> you have no doubt that regular russian military personnel wearing just undeclared uniforms and wearing military uniforms are deeply entrenched fighting inside ukraine? >> i have no doubt. i've talked to people in theater and there is no doubt at this point in time. >> not just in crimea, but elsewhere in eastern europe. >> they're over the border and they're over the border with equipment and this is no longer just a fight against rebels. this is russian forces thinly disguised that are carrying out the attacks against ukrainian forces. >> in china the president, president obama spent 15 or 20
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minutes in three separate occasions having these informal conversations with the russian president vladimir putin. we don't know what was said and they may have had an opportunity to have more informal conversations in brisbane, australia, which is about to begin. what should he say to putin. i think what's surprising here is that with the price of oil rapidly declining because of what the saudis are doing and pumping, that is 70% of the exports for russia. it's 52% of the budget for their defense and for their government and you can see the problem that russia's going to be in between sanctions, declining prices on oil. now is the time for putin to take an exit ramp, you know, off of this situation and wind this thing down especially with the offer from the ukrainian government for much more local autonomy, for rebuilding donetsk
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and recognizing the russian language in the region and it will be a win-win for everybody and face saving for russia and russia should take it. >> he seems to be doing exactly the opposite and that's why ukraine is concerned. congressman, thanks very much for joining us, the clarl an of the house chairman committee ed royce. >> the global arms race and does china's new stealth jet use global technology. is it a disruption of the u.s. forecast system, stand by. after the hugs at mission control, now we're getting reports of a problem with the spacecraft that landed on a comet earlier today. (receptionist) gunderman group.
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breaking news in the new global arms race. china has just announced that it has a new stealth jet fighter and it has the audacity to show it off at the same time that president obama has been visiting china. cnn's brian todd is joining us with more. what are you learning, brian? >> odd ishs indeed, wolf. this looks am pressive. a sleek design and good maneuverability. a big question tonight, did the chinese rip off an american design? with dramatic pitches and steep bank, china shows off its next
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generation fighter plane. this is the j-31, a stealth fighter. >> it can come in as the u.s. has stealth fighters and stealth bombers come in in a full on radar environment and not be detected. >> this jet could be designed for mid to low altitude attacks and may be deployed from an aircraft carrier. the j-31 hooks stunningly like a late-model american stealth fighter, the f-35. >> the u.s. government has been pretty clear in making its claims which i have no reason to doubt that the chinese hackers have been targeting defense contractors, u.s. government facilities and others. several published reports say the chinese got the blueprints for the f-35 through a cyber assault on a contractor for lockheed martin and built their fighter jet with the same specs. the chinese have denied that. a lockheed martin official told us the chinese didn't get the crown jewel, the most sensitive information about the f-35. china tested the j-31 right as
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president obama was in beijing for the asia-pacific summit. it comes on the heels of china christening its first aircraft carrier sending ships to islands whose territory has long been disputed. analysts say this isn't about confrontings america militarily, but about u.s. influence in its neighborhood. >> what they're trying to do is be able to put their military out further from china out into the pacific in the air, under the sea and on the sea in order to deter others from coming too close to china. >> it's also about prestige. it's also about the status of china. it's also about using platforms like aircraft carriers to perform what's called military operations other than war. humanitarian relief and that kind of thing. the united states uses aircraft carriers for that purpose quite a lot. >> analysts say china is still far behind the u.s. in pure hardware and raw military power, but they still worry that with
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china flexing new military muscle, they'll be concerned with projection of power in the pacific that it will overreact in a crisis or that it might escalate what seems to be an arms race. >> in a related manner, there are serious questions being asked over whether the chinese hacked the chief weather agency. is that right? >> somebody hacked that agency and hackers did breach the government-run agency last month causing a disruption in satellite fees and several pivotal websites. the national oceanic administration noaa said four of the websites were hacked and it didn't prevent them from delivering forecasts to the american public. the washington post reports this was the work of chinese hackers. >> another disturbing development. brian, thank you. we're keeping an eye on breaking news 300 million miles from earth. today's first-ever spacecraft landing on a comet did not go as smoothly as planned and now mission controllers are
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wondering if the lander is securely on the surface of that comet. tom foreman is joining us with more now. >> they certainly hope it's secure, wolf. lance armstrong is winning his sixth tour de france and facebook was a new idea. that was 2004. that's when this rocket took off and has been flying all this time just for this day. the spaceship rosetta flew ten years over 300 million miles for a 41,000 mile an hour speed date with comet 67p. the approach looked good as the landing probe called philae was released. >> still everyone in the european space agency waited breathlessly during the sen-hour unguided free fall to the comet's surface. >> yes, yes, yes. good. >> and finally.
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>> we are on the comet. >> a tweet from the team, touchdown. >> we can't be happier than what we are now. we definitely confirmed that the lander is on the surface. >> almost immediately there was a complication. the probe was supposed to instantly anchor itself to the comet with a set of harpoons which malfunctioned, but not enough worry to dampen the excitement. the 220-pound probe about the size of a dish wash is now positioned to perform experiments never before a temped and it will analyze the temperature, chemical makeup of the comet as it sweeps toward the sun even drilling about a foot down to extract material that will be heated in a robotic oven for analysis. >> it's a small jum for a robot and giant jump for mankind. it is so rare that top experts seldom witnesses it. >> this is the best in the world because we are the first to have done that and that will stay
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forever. >> what will come of all this scrutiny of an ancient ball of ice, rock and dust may be clues to the origin of the universe or the start of life on earth, but the success of the landing is already a triumph of technological innovation, so much so that even william shatner who played captain kirk on the star trek series was in awe. >> we are proceeding into the neutral zone. tweeting, congratulations. >> steady as we go, mr. zulu. >> scientists are hoping the solar-power solar-power solar-powered as it glides past the sun, it is moving 41,000 miles an hour you could go from new york to l.a. in four minutes. >> still ahead, we're learning new details about what went into this afternoon's daring rescue
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outside new york city's tallest skyscrap skyscraper. plus, why police moved the suspect in the university of virginia kidnapping case to another day.
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they were trapped in a dangling scaffold on the outside of new york city's one world trade center. two window washers were hanging at a steep angle until rescuers managed to bring them to safety. cnn's miguel marquez is on the scene and has details of what happened. this was a very, very scary and dramatic moment. >> boy, stomach in your feet sort of moment in there, wolf.
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>> these two window washers were on that scaffold or rig when one of the ropes or the cables that hold it slipped. it didn't break, but it slieped making one side of that rig go down, almost vertical. they had two plans. plan a and plan b was to go through the windows and basically make it into a door and get them out that way and the other plan was to go up to the roof and lower another scaffold and that would have taken a heck of a lot of time. they were able to get a rope down to them with a half-inch rope with a radio on the end of it and both individuals were able to latch on to that rope so that if the scaffolding fell they would have been hooked to a different system that the fire department had established. they were talking to them the entire time and they were doing fine and were able to cut through two panes of glass in this brand new building, one about three-quarters inch thick and they basically, a four-foot
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by eight-foot window. amazing amazingly, the only thing they suffered was a little bit of hypothermia. these window washers are tough guys. >> what a job that is. miguel, thanks very much. let's get more now on the dramatic rescue that firefighters as we just heard miguel point out, they cut through that window at one world trade center to reach those two stranded window washers. were there proper precautions taken and in place? joining us now, shirley aldomaul, the vice president of the union window washers. first of all, have you spoken to the two window washers, juan lizama and juan lopez? how are they doing? >> i haven't been able to speak to them yet. my understanding is they were taken to the hospital and, you know, i haven't had a chance to talk to them. >> what have you heard from your experts, what happened here? what happened to that
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scaffolding? >> well, apparently what i understand happened and this still has to be further investigate side that the coil that the cable wraps around malfunctioned which caused the cable to then slacken and cause the scaffold or the rig to slant downward on one side. >> how unusual is this? >> i think pretty unusual. we really haven't seen an accident like this happen, but, you know, it's fortunate that it did not end tragically. >>. >> and so then all of a sudden these guys are hanging there on the scaffolding and it seemed like forever until they were rescued and i guess they had to make a decision how they would be rescued and walk us through the process of what they did.
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>> um, well, you know, i can't speak to the rescue itself, but what i can say is that, you know, these guys are highly trained to do this work. it's very dangerous work, but you know, these are union contractors. these are union workers and because of that they get a high level of training and they take all of that -- we ensure that they take all of the safety precautions necessary in the event that an accident like this happens. luckily, it is rare that it happens, but it could happen and because, you know, we anticipate any kind of accident like this, they were rigged up so that if the scaffolding fell out from under them they'd be hanging off the building, but they would be hanging off the building and not falling off the building. >> you believe these window washers who were members of your union that there were enough
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safety precautions in place? >> yeah. i think that had they not had the proper equipment and the proper training to handle a situation like this we might have had a different ending to this story. >> fortunately, we had a happy ending to this story. please, if you speak to those two window washers, congratulate them for being safe. i assume they're fine, right? >> yeah. you know, they were sent to the hospital with some mild hypothermia because as you can imagine, they're 68 floors up. it's colder up there and they were there for a couple of hours. so hopefully they're home now resting comfortably and, you know, ready to go back to work at some point. >> all right, shirley, thanks very much. please thank them, as well. please let us know if they've come back on the job or had enough of the dangerous work and
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i don't blame them if they go up 69 stories at one world trade center or some of the other high-rises in new york. up next, new and surprising developments as the man accused of kidnapping the university of virginia student hannah graham settles into a new jail. the grand jury considering whether to indict the ferguson missouri police officer who shot and killed michael brown, we're about to hear from an expert and that grand jury is about to hear from an expert hired by brown's family. what will he tell them? they take us to worlds full of heroes and titans. for respawn, building the best interactive entertainment begins with the cloud. this is "titanfall," the first multi-player game built and run on microsoft azure. empowering gamers around the world to interact in ways they never thought possible. this cloud turns data into excitement. this is the microsoft cloud.
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jesse matthew, the suspect in the kidnapping of the university
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of virginia student hannah graham, has now been taken to a jail right here washington, d.c. let's get the latest from investigative journalist coy barefoot and our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, a former assistant director of the fbi. tell us about this big development overnight, coy. >> wolf, it was late last night after 10:00 p.m. that jesse matthew was transported from the charlottesville jail to a jail, the adult detention center in fairfax. he has been held in charlottesville since september 26 after having been arrested on that beach in galveston, texas. he was brought back to charlottesville, and that is where he has been since september 26. but late last night he was moved up to fairfax. we've confirmed he was booked into the jail at fairfax at 1:40 a.m. this morning. so he will appear in court friday at 9:00 a.m. at the status hearing at the time the
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judge will hear motions and the judge for the trial will be selected. ky tell you, wolf, that my sources have told me that jesse matthew was pretty excited about this trip, even telling fellow inmates he was going on a road trip to fairfax. >> fairfax, as you know, tom, is right outside washington, d.c. in northern virginia. what does it say to you that he was moved in the middle of the night to this jail in fairfax in northern virginia in order to have an in-person appearance friday at this status hearing? >> it's not just for the friday hearing. that's going to be the first prosecution. he's going to be standing trial in fairfax before any of the other cases go to trial. therefore, the judge is going to want him in fairfax and accessible to the defense attorneys. the defense team are based in fairfax county. they're going to want to talk to him on a daily basis, so it's only common sense they would
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move him there quickly. >> coy, it looks like he'll be in fairfax for a while, not brought back to charlottesville, is that right? >> at this point, wolf, we don't know. my sources tell me he is due back and could come back as early as friday after the status hearing. but as tom accurately points out, we have a trial. they're going to probably set a trial date on friday, so he could end up just staying at the jail in fairfax through that entire process. this is assuming we go to trial and there's not a plea, in which case if we do go to trail, it could be months. >> because the prosecution and defense has to get ready. if that's the first series of charges he faces in the fairfax county case opposed to charlottesville, he will be in fairfax, right? >> right. i can't see any of the other cases going before the fairfax case that. case has been in preparation for nine years. other than bringing the victim
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back to the united states to testify against him, they're pretty much ready to go. but his defense attorneys need to meet with him. the public defender's office assigned to him. >> coy, remind us why he's being brought to northern virginia. >> right. wolf, on september 24, 2005, a 26-year-old woman was grabbed, picked up, she was taken to a secluded spot in a neighborhood where she was raped and nearly beaten to death. a passer-by scared off the perpetrator, and she crawled to safety, banged on a door and asked for help. we believe that it's been confirmed that the dna that was found underneath her fingernail is the dna of jesse matthew. he's charged in three felony counts now in fairfax, abduction, rape, and attempted capital murder.
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he'll face those charges beginning friday. >> if in fact that dna is his that was found underneath her fingernails, that's pretty damning evidence. >> it's not like you have hair or other fibers on her, you have her fingernails into his skin and the dna collecting under that. that's going to be based on her defending herself. >> any new dna evidence surfacing as far as you know in the hannah graham case involve thing suspect? >> not that i know of, wolf. the medical examine's office is not talking. all my sources on that are very quiet. we can expect at some point we will hear confirmation, did they or did that the not find jesse matthew's dna on hannah's remains. keep in mind, even if we do, that does not establish homicide. that will only confirm what we already know that, in fact, they were together the night that she
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disappeared. i talked to an eyewitness that saw them together and we have video evidence as well that puts them together that night. so we need evidence of a homicide for that charge to be brought. >> coy, thank you very much. coy barefoot. tom fuentes, appreciate it. coming up, new details on how isis is luring werners into its ranks. tension on the rise in ferguson, missouri. the grand jury there about to hear crucial testimony. i'll speak with the attorney of the family of the slain teenager, michael brown. how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 70% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider
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happening now, breaking news. brink of war. russian troops and weapons set to be moving into ukraine as fighting escalates between government forces and separatists. is this conflict about to reach a new deadly level? american isis recruits. new details of how the terrorist group lured three teenage girls to join their campaign. is isis smuggling its fighters into europe. and the pathologist hired by michael brown's family will appear tomorrow before the grand jury. will the findings sway the panel to charge the police officer who shot the unarmed teen? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. we're following the breaking news. ukraine right now on the brink
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of war with russian-backed separatists and disturbing allegations that russian tanks, artillery and troops are moving into ukraine right now, with warplanes capable of carrying nuclear weapons. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto begins our coverage. what's the latest? >> i've spoken today with ukrainian officials who express alarm at russia's actions. they believe separatists are preparing for a new offensive inside eastern ukraine. the best u.s. assessment is russia has the delivery systems in crimea. it is viewed as a provocation, and comes as a hard-won cease-fire negotiated last month appears to be falling apart. russian forces on the move again into eastern ukraine. preparations ukrainian officials
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tell cnn for a new offensive by pro-russian separatists. >> we have seen columns of russian equipment, primarily russian tanks, russian artillery, russian air defense systems and russian combat troops entering into ukraine. >> reporter: nato says they have observed russian warplanes capable of carrying nuclear weapons deployed to crimea. annexed by russia illegally earlier this year, if confirmed, the step could violate multiple treaties. >> we see forces being moved to crimea. they do have the kind of equipment there that could support that mission. >> reporter: russia's foreign ministry called the claims unfounded. the new weapons accompanied by renewed fierce fighting between rainian forces and separatists has all but ended a brief, shaky
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cease-fire. pressing alarm in public and private. >> we expect unexpected actions from them. i see it as our main task to prepare for military action. >> reporter: today at a u.n. security council session on the situation in ukraine, ambassador samantha power condemned the russian actions. >> russia negotiated a peace plan and undermined it. it talks of peace but keeps fueling war. >> reporter: as the situation on the ground in ukraine has escalated, so have provocations in the air, close encounters between russian forces and american and nato forces. we've seen that along the atlantic coast numerous times, down just 50 miles off the california coast. we've seen them in the atlantic ocean multiple times under the air and the water in air and europe.
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today, the russian defense ministry say now they're going to carry those nigflighting as close as here in the caribbean. the defense department treats this seriously, and this could be a very alarming situation. >> what does it say to you, jim, that the nato supreme allied commander, we just saw him in your report, he raises this really ominous specter that some of the military equipment bring brought into crimea could have nuclear capability. >> it's interesting. it's an alarming thought just to talk about it. the best assessment, i've spoken to defense officials about this today, yes, they brought in aircraft capable of carrying nuclear missiles. that said, a lot of things can carry nuclear missiles and there's no intelligence to say that those planes on the ground in crimea are carrying them. but to say that so publicly shows the concern nato has about this.
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i think it's something they're watching closely. remember, it's the same on the ground in ukraine. even without nuclear weapons, you have very heavy weapons on the ground in ukrainian territory. missile launchers, tanks, et cetera. ukrainian officials preparing for an escalation. >> let's dig deeper now with matthew chance, following the latest developments from moscow. what does russia want, what does putin want based on everything you're hearing over there? >> that's a good question. one of the features unfortunately of this whole conflict since it began in march is it's very difficult to read what they want. the russians aren't being explicit what they want. they're saying they're not involved at all, and none of this weaponry is coming from them. but if you look at the situation on the ground, you can see that it would be very convenient, shall we say, for the russians
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to establish a land corridor from eastern ukraine to the territory they've already annexed. they annexed crimea back in march. it's very difficult to resupply that peninsula with food and equipment. the russians are doing it by ferry. it would be much more sustainable for them to have a land corridor connecting russia to crimea. and perhaps that's what the military objective is in the medium term. >> the russian president shows no steins at all of backing down when it comes to ukraine. if anything, that situation is clearly escalating. do you sense -- you're in moscow, that these western u.s.-led sanctions, the reduction in the cost of oil, for example, which is a major russian exporting item, is having any impact on the russian government?
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>> it doesn't seem to be, does it? there are been plenty of scout for the geopolitics of an impact, because the ruble is at record lows against the dollar. gdp growth has been estimated to be completely flat, zero percent for the next year. so there are enormous economic problems. at moment, the russian population are tolerating that. putin is still an extremely popular politician and so far the sanctions have had no impact on russia's policy except to perhaps get it to be inflamed. they're doing more of what they were doing in the past that provoked the sanctions in the first place. whether or not that will continue as the sanctions continue to bite, i i this it's something we're going to have to wait and see with interest here
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in russia. >> matthew, thanks. we'll stay in touch with you. let's get more now on the breaking news. joining us, republican senator from florida. let's get right to this breaking news involving ukraine, escalating clearly. you heard the nato commander saying this cease-fire is a cease-fire in name only. how ominous, from your perspective, senator, is this crisis in ukraine right now? >> it's extremely troubling. it seems like these are very thinly veiled attempts to shore up the opposition, if you will, there. they are russian soldiers in southern ukraine. this is a bad situation and seems to be getting worse. >> doesn't look like putin is
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backing down at all, right? >> no, and i think it puzzles everyone with the sanctions in place and the price of oil dropping, that hasn't had an effect yet. it's unbelievable he can retain his popularity. >> senator, stand by. we have a lot more to discuss. i know you're just back in havana, cuba after meeting with an imprisoned american over there. we'll take a quick break. more with the senator right after this.
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news. nato saying russian troops and weapons are pouring into ukraine, including warplanes capable of carrying nuclear weapons, raising fears of an all-out war. we're back with republican senator jeff flake of arizona, a member of the senate foreign relations committee. russians also announcing amidst all of this plans to build nuclear reactors, senator flake, inside iran at a time when these negotiations are going on. here's the question -- do you trust putin to oversee what's supposedly going to be a peaceful nuclear program inside iran? >> no. i don't think anybody trusts him there. i'm anxious to see what that proposal is. but as far as trusting putin, i don't. i don't know of any of my colleagues do. >> are you hopeful that the u.s. and these other permanent members of the security council in germany reach a deal with iran by november 24 to end its
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nuclear program? >> obviously, all of us would like a deal if it sticks, for them to end their nuclear program. but obviously many of us are skeptical as well they'll get to that point. i for one want to deal, all of us want a good deal but not a deal for the sake of a deal. >> some of your colleagues, rand paul a republican, tim kaine, a democrat, they're raising questions about the u.s.-led war against isis in syria and iraq, whether the president has the legal authority to do it. some are suggesting that maybe what the president is doing is illegal. you say what? >> i say the president should come to congress, putting the legal aspect aside, you ought to have buy-in. if you want to have our allies with us in a war that's going to last long beyond this presidency, he ought to come to congress for a new aumf. putting whatever legal arguments
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aside, he needs to do that. >> do you think it is legal what he's doing right now? >> you know what? i think responding to threats to america, as is under the constitution, he has article ii power. but if he wants to be effective over time, and if the u.s. as a whole wants to be effective, the president ought to come to congress. you're unlikely to get our allies to be with us as well if they know it's going to be a back and forth battle between the congress and the president. so he needs to come to congress. >> so you're just back from havana, cuba. you had a chance to meet with the american prisoner alan gross. he's been there now for five years. i think you said you feel there are efforts under way, maybe closer to freeing him right now. first of all, how did the visit go? what do you think, can he be freed? >> well, it was nice to meet with him. i can tell you, he's been
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through a -- i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> he's been through a lot in five years. my hat's off to him for keeping the faith. he's got to feel abandoned. to be there for five years and i can just tell you, i think the world of him and i hope we can get him freed. he wants to come home. and we need to make that happen. >> i know you were there with senator udall. how much time did you get to spend with alan gross? >> we were there for a full two hours. we could have spent another few if we had been able to. he was very engaging and certainly he is well informed about his situation there, and extremely articulate on these issues. he's just been through a lot. his family has been through a lot. and he wants to come home. >> how is his health?
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some of his family members have raised questions about his deteriorating health. >> i'll leave that to his family to talk about. i don't want to characterize it. but i'll just say that it was great to meet with him. we had a very good conversation for a couple of hours. >> i knoll know in the past they said they'll free him but want cubans in american jails to be released. >> that's their script and they stuck to it. i don't think they're going to tell us anything differently, a couple of senators down there. but you have to hope that cubans realize any public relations value they think they had is certainly gone. just hope that they, for whatever reason they want to, they just release him. he needs to come home. >> would you support a prisoner exchange? >> i will leave that to the
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president and the administration. that's not for me to decide. >> jeff flake, the senator member of the coforeign relatio committee, thank you very much for joining us. just ahead, new details about isis recruiting three american teenage girls to join terrorist forces.
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we're learning new details about isis recruitment tactics and how they're being used to lure westerners to join their forces, including three teenage american girls. pamela, what are you finding out? >> reporter: u.s. counterterrorism officials say this case in particular is alarming. we're now learning these denver teens were interacting on line with other westerners who made it to syria and were trying to convince the girls to do the same. officials say this case yielded a wealth of information that shows how isis is using westerners in its rank to recruit others through social media. cnn has learned hardened jihadists fighting with isis overseas had direct contact with
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three american teens. using social immediatia to lure them to jihad. >> social media which allows you to immerse yourself in an extremist environment. >> reporter: a law enforcement official says some of the recruiters were westerners fighting in syria, encouraging the girls to join isis, giving them a road map how to go to syria. >> if they're interested in extremism, they can enter kt in real time with other people through tweets. >> reporter: in october, the teens made it halfway to syria before they were stopped by authorities in germany. after the teens didn't show up for school, their parents alerted authorities, who found a treasure trove of information on the teen's social media profiles. >> it's literally a case study of recruiting through the
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internet. the same girl that was asked one day how many hours of music do you listen to? she would say i don't know, i can't count but i listen to music hours and hours. a few months later she was asked how many hours of music do you listen to? she said music is forbidden. >> reporter: u.s. officials say this case is a unique opportunity to track efforts to recruit westerners. isis members have successfully played a role recruiting several americans online, including douglas mccain who was killed in syria in august. this most recent case reflects a new phenomena of american teens being lured through social media to fight in syria. sources say there are other cases involving radicalized american teens we don't know about because it's difficult to
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bring federal charges against juveniles. >> pamela, thank you very much. let's get more now. joining us, paul crookshank, michael giglio, and cnn counterterrorism analyst, the former cia operative phil mudd. how difficult it is it for intelligence, law enforcement officials to monitor this type of social media recruitment, if you will? >> you can't monitor this. 330 million americans, you want to sort through the hay stack of twitter, facebook, e-mail, you have social and legal issues related to that. you've also got the volume problem. you don't want to look at 330 million americans, you want to look at the recruiter. >> why, paul, is this social
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media recruitment so effective? >> well, wolf, it's the interactivity. these youngsters aren't just passively soaking up jihadist propaganda, but they're interacting in real time with isis fighters and in some cases it's people they know and they encourage them to travel to syria, constantly trying to reinforce this ideology. it's like this vertical echo chamber. >> mike, you interviewed an individual who claims he smuggled more than ten isis fighters into europe. i assume from syria. tell us what you're learning about the various smuggling operation of isis fighters into mainland europe? >> yeah. so this is a human trafficker
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based in turkey, who, for the last four years, has been sending refugees from turkey by boat to greece. he told me that over the summer, he struck up a friendship with someone in isis, who was posing as a refugee in one of his boats. the guy admitted he was an isis fighter and told him he was going over to europe to wait for orders. and the man, the smuggler himself is an isis supporter and he later received a phone call from him that said, send our brothers to. he said he sent an additional ten fighters into greece. >> do you know where these ten fighters may have wound up? >> the smuggler told me after greece, he believes they're moving deeper into europe. he just knows he sent them to greece. >> did they have a lot in their briefcase ready to go?
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>> i don't think so. he was only telling me what he knew. i think the details he got were scary. his opinion was they were waiting for orders for an attack. he did he didn't know for sure. i think it's pretty important that i say i don't know for sure either. >> phil, this sounds like a sleeper's potential, being smuggled into europe. >> i didn't see many sleeper cells. what i saw were circumstances like this. sleeper cells might have conactivity that you can follow. when you have a kid that's 15 years old, that's your time frame to collect intelligence in a country of several hundred million people. >> paul, what do you make of this report that mike just told us about, that maybe this one smuggler claiming ten isis fighters were smuggled into greece and maybe elsewhere in europe right now. >> wolf, it's certainly a
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concern that isis could take advantage of the fact there's so many refugees going from syria to iraq to europe. to try and get operatives into new york and launch attacks. isis have signalled they will attack the west at some point. their spokesman has made this abundantly clear. this could be one way they could do it. the biggest concern is about operatives with european passports. estimated that 1,000 europeans are fighting with isis. >> did they suggest any of these isis terrorists may have no ties with europe but maybe the united states? >> no, he didn't. they were syrian or iraqi nationals and all posing as refugees. he didn't say anything about the united states. >> phil, let's talk about the report that we had in "the
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situation room," that the president now considering a new strategy, don't only go after isis but simultaneous hill go after the regime of president assad in syria. it sounds complicated. >> in the era of complexity, which is what we're dealing with, my experience is that you've got to boil it down to simplicity. put yourselves in the shoes a syrian perspective. we're several years after the curve. we say go after isis. you've got to be stepping back if you're in the opposition saying what are we up to with our partners the americans? in the white house, you have to step back and say, where are we going here? over the long-term, this position is not tenable. >> there's a report out there'sis may be discovering a merger with another terrorist
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group, and that the khorasan group, they may be brokering this kind of deal. what do you make of this? >> what we do know is that the khorasan group tried to do this before when they were dispatched from pakistan to syria. one of their tasks was to mend senses. so it's possible they're trying to do this again. the fact that they have both been hit by u.s. air strikes betweens that the atmosphere might be time for some kind of reconciliation. these groups have been fighting each other for the last year. al qaeda threw isis out of the network in february. so there may be some cooperation at the local level. but if there was greater cooperation between these two groups, that would be very worrying for all our security, wolf.
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>> it certainly would be. mike, let me ask you about another story. you're joining us from istanbul. three american sailors from the "uss ross," a warship and dock in the nato ally of turkey. they were assaulted, they were taunted, they got bags thrown over their heads. this group called the turkish growth movement claimed responsibility. to americans, you see three american sailors on shore leave in civilian cloth not wearing their uniforms, being hit. they wound up okay, they're back on their ship, but what do you make of this? >> if america is watching that, i would say that's not something to worry about. this is a very fringe group, a very rare instance. walking down the streets of turkey, this is not common at
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all. you have groups in every country. i don't think this is something to be alarmed about. >> there are some people who suspect -- who worry that maybe there was some elements in turkey that may welcome this kind of assault on three u.s. sailors. >> i mean, like i said, there might be. but the majority of turks would be disgusted by this, and it's really not something that is common here at all. this is a real fringe group. it's almost ashame they get so much attention. >> phil? >> you can say this is a spring group. but in the wake of benghazi, when there's so much pressure for this administration to respond to allegations, you're going to say are we sure we don't have a problem in turkey? >> it's a nato ally.
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see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. a potential major development in the michael brown shooting case in ferguson, missouri. a pathologist hired by brown's family to do an autopsy on the teenager will testify tomorrow before the grand jury deciding whether to charge a police officer in the killing. joining us, benjamin crump, the attorney for michael brown's family and represented the family of trayvon martin. mr. crump, thank you very much for joining us. michael bodden is a well known pathologist will be testifying before the grand jury tomorrow. can you share with us what he plans to say?
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>> he's going to testify consistent with his autopsy report, wolf. we believe it will be very inciteful, because michael brown's parents have always wanted an independent outside person not associated with the local police department to be able to give unbiased testimony. >> what does it say to you that he was invited to testify before the st. louis county prosecuting attorney, how important will this testimony be? it's sort of unusual decision, wasn't it, by the prosecuting attorney? >> well, everything about this is unusual. we're not sure how it came to be. we understood that there was a member of the grand jury that may have asked to hear from the family pathologist, which makes us think somebody on that jury wants to know what really
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happened and they eastern nare accept the police version. we also think that the doctor needs to get all the information. he requested a lot of information that the police and the medical examiner had, and we don't know if he's going to get all that information. so that's a little troubling. you know, they control the system. they control the prosecution. all the family can do is depend on the mercy of the system and hope that it works fairly for them, too. >> as you know, mr. bodden wants access to some of that tissue examined by the medical examiner's office. you don't know whether he's been able to get that kind of evidence to review it before his testimony tomorrow? >> exactly, wolf. he wants the medical records of the police officer. he claimed to have this blown out fracture to the eye. he thinks that's important to
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his opinions. also, he wants the clothing that the officer was wearing. he wants to look inside the car to see where this blood splatter is supposed to be so he can have his independent analysis and don't have to rely on the police department. so all he wants is to have a fair shot at looking at all the evidence. what we've said all along, we want due process for the police and for michael brown. again, we don't agree with this process. we think he should be charged and it should all be vetted out. nobody is cross examining dr. bodden or the other documents. the constitution says we have the right to face the evidence and the witnesses against us. >> but dr. bodden's autopsy report, is that consistent with the other autopsy done by the county? >> as far as we know now, wolf. but we think there are going to be some stuff after he gets a chance to look at everything,
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there may be new relevant information. so that's the problem with having this secret proceeding. you don't know who is saying what and you can't vet it. and so in this situation in ferguson, wolf, as we talked about often, there's a great mistrust with the citizens of ferguson and people across america. and so what would be better than to have it very transparent where everybody can see everything. dr. bodden wants to see everything. he's not been allowed to see everything. the public isn't alouled to see everything. when the decision comes out, people may not accept it. >> you're a lawyer. grand jury testimony is secret. >> that's the problem. it didn't have to be a grand jury. this is a choice, and everybody keeps saying when the police shoot a young person of color, we do grand juries because that's what they allow. there's probable cause. they can be charged like anybody else. we're all americans. we all deserve due process. when you have seven witnesses
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saying his hands was up and you have evidence from the autopsy saying that his hands was up and he got shot from behind, why don't you let that be before a jury. you charge him and he will have his day in court. nobody is saying he's guilty until proven innocent, but we want due process for michael brown, too. >> how are michael brown's parents doing? >> well, as you know, they're over in geneva now making their presentation to the united nations, talking about their son was executed in broad daylight as many young people of color and normally when that happens, their deaths are swept under the rug. they're trying to make some positive change so this does happen to anybody else's child. >> there's been some criticism about this decision to testify before the united nations panel, even before any grand jury decision has been released. what do you say to that kind of
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criticism? >> i think the people who are criticizing them are going to criticize them no matter what, because we believe that they don't share the same value for our children that they share for other people. this is about our children. if this was your child and you were believing his death was going to be swept under the rug, wouldn't you go all over the world to try to argue that my child's life matters too. that's what they're doing. our children lives matter. >> we don't know when the grand jury decision will come out. i assume the parents will be back in ferguson around that time. do you know when they're expected to leave switzerland and be back in missouri? >> yes, sir, wolf. they'll be back on friday. >> do you have any indication at all when the grand jury will reach a decision? >> we do not. >> benjamin crump, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> we'll stay in touch with you. benjamin crump is the attorney
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for michael brown's family. joining us is john gas kin, tom fuentes and jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, i want you to react from the legal perspective what we just heard that dr. bodden, the pathologist, is it a gesture on the part of the county prosecutor to invite a pathologist privately hired by the family to go in there and testify before the grand jury? >> robert mccullough, the prosecuting attorney, said from the beginning he's going to present every piece of evidence in this case to the grand jury. michael bodden's autopsy is a piece of evidence. and he's a distinguished pathologist, so it seems very consistent with that promise. now, it's not a complete autopsy. michael bodden didn't have access to everything, as you heard. not to the clothing or the car evidence. so it's not complete. but certainly if you want all the evidence, michael bodden's autopsy would be something that's very appropriate to put before the grand jury. >> tom, how unusual is it for a
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privately hired pathologist to go before a grand jury? >> once the autopsy is done by the private pathologist, you would expect that, that it's part of the investigation and will be included for the grand jury. >> is it a gesture on the part of the prosecuting attorney to say we're going to let everything come in, whatever evidence is out there, is it a gesture to the family? >> it's a gesture to try to say we're trying to achieve justice and not have criticism later that they withheld something or they didn't think that autopsy would help the prosecution, so don't do it. so it's standard to do that. it's unusual to have three autopsies in the same case. so you have a state autopsy, the department of justice autopsy and the private autopsy for the family. >> don't kid yourself, this decision, while nominally in the hands of the grand jury, is really in the hands of the prosecutors. prosecutors by and large decide
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who gets indicted. so he can hide behind the grand jury, but this decision falls on him. >> what is the reaction in the community, john gaskin? >> many people, when we received the news that dr. bodden would go before the grand jury, many were surprised. many at the beginning with that "usa today" article, he had asked to go before the grand jury, said he was interested in going before them and he had information they needed to hear. so it is encouraging to hear that >> but as attorney crump has stated, many people feel that details are being swept under the rug and many people do not trust the system. and at this point they are hoping that the cards will fall in the proper way. but many people do not trust the system. they are very concerned about how this grand jury process has taken place. and i agree completely with mr.
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tubbin. the prosecutor controls this system. and if there is no indictment, it is quite clear that the prosecutor does not want there to be an indictment. >> we heard today, john, from the st. louis county executive charlie dooley, calling for calm. is there going to be a calm situation, irrespective of the grand jury decision? >> well, leadership within the community is encouraging people to obviously make their voices heard but do it in a peaceful way so no one is injured and so that we do not have a system of chaos. but in terms of -- i don't want to prejudge a situation, but i think personally that when the decision comes out, especially if there is a nonindictment, there will be a lot of angry and upset people that will want their voices to be heard. and there will be a lot of protests. >> let's hope the protests are peaceful indeed. as all of us want. okay, guys, stand by. we'll have much more news right after this.
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china getting a chilly re sepgs from republicans and drawing a line between president obama and the incoming republican congress. dana bash is here with details of this deal on carbon emissions. it could be historic but a lot of republicans say they don't like it. >> absolutely. look, last week when republicans took over control of the senate and of course total control of the house, people asked, is it going to be different? the answer is yes. and the issue of climate change is exhibit a.
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mitch mcconnell hosting new elected senate republicans in his capitol office for the first time since he was put in charge as majority leader and made him a more powerful adversary for the president. >> the president continues to send signals he has no intention of moving toward the middle. >> reporter: he was eager to express outrage about a sweeping deal president obama struck hours illy -- earlier in china to limit emissions. they agreed to limit by 2030 for china and the u.s. by 2025. >> it requires the chinese to do nothing for 16 years while the carbon emission regulations are creating havoc in my state and other states around the country. >> reporter: fighting government regulation was a key part of mcconnell's re-election campaign in coal rich kent.
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>> stop the car on coal now. >> reporter: and in fact partisan differences over climate change are the differences in the government. many high-profile congressional republicans don't buy the science behind climate change. >> do you believe climate change is real? >> i'm troubled by a theory that fits every perfect situation. >> you don't believe there is any man made reason for global warming or climate change? >> what i think is the data are not supporting what the advocates are arguing. >> reporter: perhaps the most stark difference with the gop senator takeover is control of the committee overseeing environmental regulation. staunch democratic environmentalists barbara boxer will hand the gavel to republican james hen hoff who wrote a book saying it was a hoax and saying only god can affect the climate. >> my pint is god is up there and this is the arrogant to
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think, we, human beings to change in the climate is to me outrageous. >> reporter: since there is no chance congress will reduce greenhouse gas emissions, republicans fully expect the president will use his executive powers to start what he's done before but mcconnell has said when he is in charge next year they will try to reverse that with the power of the purse and whether that threatens a shut down or a showdown. >> and if the president uses the executive orders on immigration. and he said he will do it before the end of the year if congress doesn't pass legislation. >> they have to pass legislation to keep the government running by december 11th, the second week in december. if there are already threats by republicans if the president uses his executive authority before that, the republicans are going to try to do away with
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