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pick up all the devices you have and tell them right now "new day" is back. a special grand jury is ready to convene, they should be ready to convene officer darren wilson or not. one major development is that an announcement could come quickly after they decide. remember, authorities were thinking the decision should be held maybe a couple of days. that will not remain now. >> what will happen if wilson is exxon r5i9d, if he is cleared, grand jury evidence may still be kept under wrap. we have following developments, what's the latest, anna? >> reporter: good morning him we are outside the courtroom here in st. louis county, with all the attention is focused today. this is where the grand jury is expected to convene in the next 12 hours.
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at least nine of the grand jurors have to agree for an dime in this case. when will there be an announcement? these are questions keeping the community and, really the country on edge. overnight protesters marched, blocking traffic in ferguson, relatively calm but for this incident. >> we have to go home. i know, you will be here a minute, bro'. >> reporter: while shooting this video, matt pierce, l.a. times reporter, was struck in the head by a small object. >> i didn't see anybody throw anything. i didn't see what it was. it felt like a conk on the head. >> reporter: the fire burning in the hearts of the people, the group of 12, made up of five women, seven men, nine white, three black, is expected to end friday with no decision. outside the courthouse law enforcement have put up barricades to brace for
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backlash. inside the grand jury weighs the following options, indict officer darren wilson on 1st or 2nd degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter or deliver a no true bill saying there isn't enough toefdz go forward against wilson. >> everything the grand jury hears, the public will ultimately hear, one way or the other. >> reporter: prosecutor bob mcculloch says if wilson is charged, the evidence comes out at trial. if there is no dime, he lans to make all the diagrams and reports public. but a judge has a final say on what gets released and when. michael brown's parents have urged calm. >> i just want you all to be comfortable. don't agitate them. edon't let them agitate them. >> this is a country that allows
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everybody to express their views, but views and any event as an excuse for violent is contrary to a rule of law and contrary to who we are. >> reporter: a reminder that regardless of the outcome of this grand jury decision, there is still not the end. there are still those two federal civil rights investigations that are ongoing, one that is specifically probing the death of michael brown, the other that's taking a look at the broader police conduct issue involving minorities in ferguson. chris, allison. >> a lot of variables to go, if there is an indictment, what that trial process looks like do the prosecutors go ahead, a lot-of-things could happen. there are developments in terms of what's going on the ferguson that are very relevant here, let's bring in the former assistant director for the fbi. tom, it's good to see you. these arrests sound very scary,
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they found people with materials to make pipe bombs, what do you know about the arrests and the actors involved, are they out of town bad guy an ar consist type goes or were these seen as local? >> it sounds like out of towners that come in, from the beginning, the has been the fbi and other law enforcement agency's primary concern, not the peaceful protesters from fergson, we have neonazis. we have, you know, organizations like the kkk and arian brotherhood, others that may come that are white to cause trouble against african-americans and you have african person groups that may want to come and ferment violence just to attack the police and create a riot situation to show, see how bad the police are. so that's been the concern that outside people would come in and try to take advantage of the extreme tension, the high
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emotion and elicit a backlash of violence. >> for the wrong people, that spells opportunity and that's why we have 100, we hear 100 fbi agents function under cover fake buy to catch these guys. let me ask you, other than their typical investigating, can the fbi officers help in the situation if this does spill over into violence? can they help in an ongoing protest situation? >> it can. not only that, that aspect is up to the local police, the uniformed police operations, local swat teams and all that would be trained and ready to do that kind of street level policing, which the fbi would not normally do, what the fbi's main role will be is to gather intelligence and coordinate intelligence that can come in all over the world. the fbi attracts hooligans, every time the imf or world bank
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meets, there are a bunch of hooligans that travel internationally to fight with the police and cause mayhem at the events. so that's the concern here, is you will have people coming from all over the world, possibly, to go to ferguson, cause trouble, that can care less that have no interest in pro police or anti--police or officer wilson or michael brown. there is a potential for violence and they want to lead it out. >> the fbi is putting on the alert nationwide for anybody to be ready because it could be an opportunity. let's stick specifically in ferguson, though, let's by the liz brown, a columnist for the st. louis dispatch, liz, it's good to have you. i know we are working on your microphone. you sound beautiful. you sound beautiful. water going on on the ground there right now the first big development that we are dealing with this morning is authorities were going to hold this decision, maybe that was during
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the week to get the school kids into safety. that was rethought. do you think it was good to rethink that decision and do you think it's good that we hear about the decision as soon as it comes out? >> i think it was good to hold the decision, but it also is kind of a curious thing, chris, as to why are they holding at this point? because it kind of paid sense to announce it on a sunday, that way kids are out of school. you have a short school week and if things needed to be tended to for the entire week, kids won lose that much school. so it was a part is decision for sunday. i don't know if it's a good decision for monday. i don't know that it would make sense for tuesday because since there are so 'events going on all over the country, we have brack friday coming up. we have thanksgiving coming up. the question is does it make sense to announce this during that time? so i'm not even certain that that's a decision that may happen this week. >> so, look, we done even know the full body of information
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given to this grand jury. >> that's correct. >> we are working off, one, this has been a long period for the grand jury. >> correct exceedingly long. >> there have been indications they have been asking for less things, et cetera. there is no good time for something as divisive as this. now one of the things bubbling up more and more, i want your take on the, is this satisfaction with the grand jury that this didn't need a grand jury, that this prosecutor should known that there was an ability to charge here and that this is more of a distraction than it is of a giving it over to the people, which is what the prosecutor says. what do you see on that line? >> i think the announcement that came this week, it's something i have been saying all along, when bob mcculloch made the statement on two different radio stations that, one, i will release all of the information, two, i've talked to a judge about releasing the information and, three, a judge has agreed that i can release this information, all of that is not true.
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so that gets to the whole issue of the distrust of the process and the distrust of the prosecutors. >> which part is untrue? has he not spoken to the judge? there is an application. >> that is correct a. judge has released a statement the county prosecutors office or county court's office released a statement saying the judge has not said anything. a judge has to make a ruling. you can't just walk down the hall and say, judge, i want this. there has to be a ruling, that is sturned into a piece of paper and turned into an order. so there are three statements thar made that are simply factually not true. that gets to the distrust that the community and the region have about this particular prosecutor being able to be fair and impartial. >> all right, liz, that will be an important thread to follow through. in the immediate after math, people will want to be reviewing the record. it will be deep and tedious. we have to remember there is a pending investigation. >> that could be a basis. it's not they don't want us to
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know water in the record. it could be federal authorities want it to be quiet. we will be talking to you as it goes forward, liz brown, i will be seeing you in ferguson, soon. >> chris, we have breaking feuds, talks on iran's nuclear program have been extended into next month. the valentine's day site citing good progress. so are they really getting closer or is it just a stalling tactic? let's bring in cnn chief correspondent jim scuitto live if vienna. what's the latest, jim? >> reporter: that's right, alisyn, a western diplomat tells cnn there will be no nuclear deal here in vienna bring the mid-fight deadline the sides will issue a statement citing good progress, not a legal statement, just citing progress and talks will continue at a lower level. not a the foreign minister secretary of state in the coming weeks. it is an extension by any other name. it means that secretary kerry, the foreign minsters of iran,
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the permanent members of the u.n. city council, who have been work sock harold here, really, over the last 12 months, not the last days in i have enfla to come to a comprelensive agreement, that they will leave before the deadline without that agreement. both sides will go home to a very difficult political environment to return home essentially empty handed here. yes, they have made progress. they released a statement saying they have made progress, but they will go home without that deal, frankly, alisyn, that will be something that will be difficult to sell at home both politically in iran and the u.s. >> so what does happen now if they have to go home empty handed? >> more negotiations. not with secretary kerry here, the foreign minister of iran, but at a lower level, the m ministerial level, they will work at it, technical details, et cetera. >> that big gap that secretary
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kerry and others have been referencing in decent days, it the believed they might be closed. that's why they make an effort. they certainly have more work to do to close those gaps, alisyn. >> thank you for the update on that breaking news. there is other news to talk about, mikaela. >> breaking overflight, a lockdown in houston has been listed now t. army base was placed on lockdown sunday after a driver blew through an entrance checkpoint without stopping. that driver was cap kufrd after a brief man hunt. police say the man was alone, no bombs were in the veck. no word yet on a possible motive. afghanistan's parliament is making agreements with the u.s. and that to, allowing troops to be in the country beyond the end of the year when the mission was supposed to end. the new agreements will keep some 12,000 international troops in afghanistan. the vote came after president
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obama announced new guidelines on how to engage taliban fighters in addition to al qaeda. a british banker accused in a double murder is fit to stand trial. the trial has been adjourned until july because prosecutors need more time to prepare their case. he was charged earlier this month after police found the bodies of two women, one inside a suitcase on the balcony. so far, jening has not entered a plea. today, students at the university of virginia are speaking out about a growing sexual abuse controversy. the comes after the uva suspended all fraternity activities until january 9th following allegations of a cultural sexual assault. one student reports she was assaulted by seven frat members. we will speak with two uva students taking on that issue. did you see this? amazing, incredible,
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unbelievable! there may not be enough superlatives to describe that catch made by odombeckham, jr. they are calling the leapling, twisting, touchdown grab best ever. it almost surely will be the great catch every other catch will be measured against going forward. oh my goodness. he's limber. >> yeah, he is. >> limber. chris collins worth was the voice you heard that said amazing. he was a receiver for the bengals. we should keep showing this, whether you love football, played football, never touched a football. can you appreciate this, he is running full speed, he has to turn, reaches back over his head and can't see the ball and grabs it in one hand. >> what's amazing, he doesn't need a cairo praktre chiropract
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>> he must do yoga. >> that is amazing atmosphere let ig prowesduce -- athletic prowess. >> he should try it blindfolded next time. >> all right. he shouldn't try that. what's the science? >> the only woman from football to yoga. i'm laughing about this aspect here. buffalo, temperatures expected to soar. today we can reach 60 degrees plus additional rainfall is expected. keep in mind flooding concerns were made high there. we are talking about a threat for snow. temperatures dropping down to the 30s. there is still time by wednesday gusting in the region, 50, even 60 miles per hour. it is at no point over just yet. we are making a front make
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through, showers will be in the forecast. on the back side of it, where you have the cold air. snow showers into the mid-west, wisconsin, michigan, up towards marquette, seven inches is expected. we have the cold front. it's bringing us the rain, temperatures are diving down, look at tc, 76 degrees, 30s by the time you get through wednesday, that roller coaster is going back down, it's the biggest travel day of the year, it's all about where this low goes. it will depend on how much rain and even snow we could see in the forecast in all these major hubs, chicago, we have to throw in the mix as well. of course, i have to fly through the feast and chicago. so that will be a fun day. the stress is already here. >> i understand. at least you know water coming. all right. allegations of rape and sexual assault against bill cosby keep
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mounting. more than a dozen women coming forward. i soak with one of cosby's accusers. why is she speaking out after 45 years? that's next. we will all shuffle back to buffalo. the only thing that's worse than 7-feet of snow all that flashing melting as well. can you be ready for something like this? we have a live report from up there. you will want to see it. ♪
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in the past two weeks at least 15 women have come forward accusing bill kozry of sexual assault of rape. one kept it secret from their closest friends and family for decades. on social media, many claim they are doing it for money and/or fame. i sat down for the first
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national interview. i asked her whether she ever tried to get money for her story. >> i am a woman that's comfortable financially. i am really happy. i have everything. i don't want his money or anyone else's. >> so why are you coming forward? >> two reasons, one, i don't like to see these other women who had similar experience called liars and trashed in the media when i know that i can speak for them. and the second reason, it was that it might encourage others. these are all new that i didn't know about and there may be dozens or hundreds of other
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victims. >> reporter: 71-year-old christina are youly says her encounter with bill cosby took place in 1965 when she was 22-years-old making hers the earliest known alleged case. she was working at a secretary at a talent agency, when she says cosby invited her and several co-workers to a party at his house. >> you get to the party for the beginning of what you think will be a party and he prepares a cocktail for you? >> yes. a bourbon and 7. that was sort of the standard thing for me to drink at that time. >> have you two drinks? >> i had two drinks that i'm clear about. >> and then what happened? >> i don't remember a thing. it went blank. when you are in that kind of of a foggy state, you don't think of anything but that you had drunk too much. >> so i must have passed out again, because when i awakened again, i found myself on a bed. >> and then what happened?
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>> he was there, he had his shirt off and i believe he had his pants off. it's pretty groggy and he had his hand on the back of my head. >> she says he then tried to force her to perform oral sex. >> so i lifted my head away. i think it surprised him. i lasted my head away and pulled myself away immediately and i went into the bathroom and i threw up. i know i threw up a couple of tiles, when i finished, i came out and he was gone. >> reporter: christy that believes it could have been worse that cosby could have raped her. a few months after the incident, she says she told her boyfriend at the time what happened. >> did you tell anyone other than your comboifriend? >> i might have, but it's something that something maybe you ould would tell your boyfriend, girlfriends, things were different. you didn't talk about date rape
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with a girlfriend. >> did it over occur to you to go to the police? >> no, he had not injured me. what had he done? he had exposed himself to me, but this was the '60s and it never occurred to me to go to the police. i just went on with my life. >> people are skeptical? >> i know. >> that bill cosby did this to you and to the other women. bill cosby was a likable, beloved celebrity. >> he was likable. >> back in the '70s, '60s and '70s, so why did he have to resort to drugging women? >> i don't think he's very attractive or sexy. i guess that's just my viewpoint. maybe he isn't adequate in size? but i've heard this was a routine of his all the time. rape is about power, not sex. rape is about anger, not sex.
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and until he had the series "i spy" which was the series he had then, he was just a comedienne. and the power that he pound found in his hands, he abused. >> reporter: in 2005, 40 years later, christina read about another alleged victim, she filed a lawsuit against cosby, christina wanted to help, becoming one of the 13 jane dougdoes in the case, which was settled. >> you volunteered your services and your memory. >> yes. >> do this other lawsuit. but you did not stand to gain financially as a part ought lawsuit? >> oh, no, i didn't feed it. i didn't need the aggravation. but i thought, what's the worst thing that can happen to me? that somebody calls me a liar? >> i want to read you a statement from bill cosby's attorney.
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lawsuits are filed against people in the public eye every die. there has never been a shortage of lawyers with claims against rich, powerful men, so it makes no sense that not one of these new women who have just come forward for the first time now ever asserted a legal claim back at the time they alleged they have been sexually assaulted. >> well, lawyers can be hired by rich powerful men to speak for them when they are silent. that's my answer. >> reporter: cosby's attorneys did not provide cnn with a response. >> what do you think is going to happen next? do you think that there is such a dinow created by these dozen of women that he must respond? >> i think more will come forward. whatever you follow here, it doesn't end with me. >> do you think it's time for bill kodz by to come forward and say something? >> i do.
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i wish he had the courage. i wish he had the balls. who would want 15 minutes of this kind of not fame, shame. so i'm here not that i think i'm this great courageous character person but to say that, to the others, who have come forward and who i hope will come forward is it takes courage. >> so much like all of the accusers that we have talked to, i found her credible. cease very candid, she doesn't need money, she doesn't need certainly this notoriety, as we heard from others, she wants to show solidarity from the others. >> what a powerful statement, who would want this 15 minutes of shame. that's a good point to come forward and have people tear you apart, call you all sorts of
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fames, people don't want that. have you to be coming from a place where you have something interesting to say, women in their 50s, 60s, now 70s coming forward with these stories. >> it's as though they have nothing to lose, now they have the courage to come forward. their lives, you know, they want to speak out for truth they said. >> this also hasn't been discussed a lot. so this maybe the first time for a lot of these women they are hearing the suggestion that bill cosby did this, being seen as unsubstantiated, maybe not true. >> that can be poet rate ising them. for all the women that come out, it takes a lot of bravery. the lawyer who came out this weekend who said i made the payments to the girls, that was the strongest piece of contexttual proof i have seen of the situation so far. because people can dismiss all these women if they want. i don't know why they would? they could. why did he say that? >> he said he made payments
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mostly for consensual relationships. that was his argument. >> it shows this dynamic. you will never get a prosecution of bill cosby on things past the statute of limitations. >> these women say i'm coming forward to support those other women in that. you know, that's really a powerful statement. >> let us know what you think. we will read all of your comments, you request tweet us each individually. we said we were going back to buffalo. we are. because if they haven't been through enough after that monster snowstorm, now the temperatures are rising, they're bracing for potentially deadly flooding. how bad could it get? we will take you live to buffalo.
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the snow is done for now in buffalo, fork, from flash whiteout to flash flooding. now that all that snow is starting to melt, imagine being snowed in for days only to have to flee from your home because of the threat of flash flooding. c cnn's alexander butterfield, water the situation? >> reporter: people in buffalo hope the worst is behind them. a flood warning is in effect. they have been doing a good job
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at it. there is still a lot of water locked in these snow packs. that's why people that live out here near the creeks and rivers in buffalo are being warned, there are concerns about snow packed storm drains. that's why the state has marshalled so many resources to this area. we took a look at the stockpile with governor cuomo, he showed us 180,000 sand backs, there are national guard men and women in place ready to respond if feed. swift water rescue teams and helicopter rescue teaches we will see over the course of the day, if the temperature rides, people here are being warned, pack a bag, clean out your basement. they got to be ready for it. mikaela. >> they do have to be ready for it. we are glad those preparations are under way. >> there's a look at your headlines, a grand jury in ferguson, missouri, is set to reconvene to indict officer darryl wilson in the fatal
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shooting of teenager michael brown. we have been told an indictment would be entered quickly. we are learning the evidence considered may not be released, even if the panel decides against indictment. breaking news talks on iran's nuclear program have been extended into next month. tehran is citing world powers. the so-called p-5 plus 1 want to one, in exchange for lifting economic sanctions. new details are emerging in the arrest of a gay activist and a major fundraiser accused of having sex with a 15-year-old boy in oregon. they are accused of having sex with the boy who they allegedly met through a dating app. he is do you back if court next
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month. lawson for his part had pleaded not guilty to sodomy and sex abuse charges. some very alert cyclists in australia, a father and daughter were out cycling. they heard the cries of an infant. they investigated and discovered a newborn baby boy dumped in a storm drain. police say the baby had been abandoned nearly five days earlier. rescuers managed to reach that baby. they found him more than 8-feet underground. >> that baby has been hospitalized in serious condition a. 30-year-old woman has now been charged with attempted murder. >> angels on bicycles. >> thank god they found him. a report clears the intelligence committee for the attack in benghazi that killed americans, our panel weighs in. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer
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. welcome back to "new day," the notion na benghazi was a massive coverup was dealt a major blow by the republican-led committee.
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a new report released by the house intelligence committee exposes blahs in how it was responded to, no reception from the white house on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, that is not enough for some republicans who say they still feel the intelligence community deceived the american public. so rubs are now in a conspiracy, is that what's going on here? we will bring in our political panel, editor-in-chief for the daily beast and a bitter republican consultant, martha hoover, let's play with senator lindsey graham republican saysant this republican-led intelligence committee report on benghazi. here it is. >> i think the report's full of crap. >> so the report says no one lied, period, that they were receiving bad information but no -- >> that's a bunch of garbage. that's a complete bunch of garbage, who told susan wright
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-- >> why is the republican care -- to testify -- >> buying a bunch of garbage? >> good question. >> mike rogers, secret, secret friend of hillary clinton covering up about benghazi. what is he talkinging about? >> are you doing this, republicans versus democrats, republicans are on the benghazi band wagon. this is not a left to right divide. this is a republican divide. she mocking me out. let be clear, this is a risk on the intelligence community how they police themselves, what lend say grahlindsey graham is the number two at the cia, one of the chief witnesses, nowhere in this report does it admit he lied to senators, first it was the fbi, it turns out it was he,
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himself. >> why would mike rogers -- >> i'm so grad you asked? mike rogers is actually an individual who has spent his entire career in intelligence gathering. he is from the fbi. she a head of the intelligence, i'm not doubting mike rogers. >> it sound like you are, a little indicting him. >> this is a nuance in this report that is about a listening intelligence committee rather than a republican versus democrat benghazi people pointing fingers at each other. it's more nuance than that. >> so what you got here is thoughtful, responsible republicans trying to figure out a way. >> to make up for it. >> to push out mike rogers. >> throw mike rogers under the bus. letbull pull back for a sec, so many have been so engested in politicalizing a report, the
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hunting begins, why lindsey graham has shown political courage and sometimes overreaches and shows how a tough guy he can be, when lindsey graham says this report is full of crap, it's because he has been full of crap for so long. >> hold on, everybody says while it is the sixth government report on benghazi, it really dealt with the intelligence community. but there were other issues, such as state department, how they handled it. the white house, how the president handled it. this report did not address those things. >> it's not true. that's not true. >> they didn't interview willie -- >> it did say the state department was to blame. it did say mistakes were made. what it didn't say is there was a massive conspiracy, obviously, deep mistakes were made. it was not a conspriracy, it was not a coverup. >> what we need to do is wait for the bipartisan committee of the house, led by a democrat and a republican, that is going to be the -- it is a bipartisan
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committee. it will be the definitive. that's the final word. >> it will never be the final word. >> it will be satisfied with what happens when that report comes out? >> i think there is a lot of pressure for that to be the final. >> it will never be good enough. >> that may be true. >> it's the conpier isacy the y theoryx theoryxc. >> one more committee, finally we will get to the bottom of it. >> i'm taking that up. >> i will let you fight over the wishbone on thanksgiving. >> i'm going to win. >> he's a smart man.
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>> it's great to see you guys, as always, coming him up, student leaders will speak out about rape allegations at the university of virginia. fraternitys are now suspended there. was the university doing enough to address these allegations? hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal.
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good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, chris. student organization will respond later today on campus to the university president's decision to suspend fraternity activities until january 9th giving people at the university of virginia a chance to physical out where to go from here. >> not one more! >> reporter: more protests over the weekend at the phi kappa si house by seven men described in graphic detail in an article in "rolling stone" magazine. no one has been criminally charged in the incident, which allegedly took place about two years ago. the fe pail victim says she did not go to police but did report the incident to the school's sexual misconduct board. the frat house was recently vandalized with anonymous writings, including uva center for rain study. in the continuing campus uproar,
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the president took heat called tepid by some. though she did call on local police to investigate. then decisive action over the weekend, including suspending activities of all uva's fraternities for the rest of the year. she showed outrage in a written statement. rape is an abhorrent crime that has no place in the world let alone on the campuses and grounds of our nation's colleges and universities. the school says last year 38 students went to the dean to talk about sexual assault allegations, nine filed complaints. no uva student has been expelled for sexual misconduct. a friend of the accuseer telling cnn trnth attention to this issue is welcome news. >> absolutely. and for the woman, she is also feeling very liberated. and i know that all survivors here are feeling a sense of a feelinging of, yes, finally, this is happening and this is
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big. >> reporter: it's not just a uva problem. colleges and universities, including harvard and ohio state are under investigation for the way they handle sexual assault allegations, one disturbing question is how schools like uva are more likely to expel students for cheating but keep them on campus after perpetrating an alleged rape. >> joe johns, joining me are two students from the university of virginia. they have been very involved on campus following the publishment of that "rolling sustain's" article. a third year history and pre-law undergraduate at uva, and also a third year student the chair of uva sexual violence coalition, ladies, i'm so proud of you, first of all, for all you are doing and for being brave enough to join me on cnn. i'm sure this is a little outside your comfort zone. thank you very much.
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after reading the "rolling stone" article felt compelled to org united a rally. share with me the process of what made you want to do that? >> i was compelled to organize the rally because, for me, reading the article wasn't anything shocking, but i was shocked by how many of my fellow peers and how many outside my campus were shocked. i wanted to bring attention to the sustainable dialogue based on the article and to not let it fizzle out after its two minutes of fame. >> we have been hearing a lot about this culture of sexual violence on campus at uva and, sarah, even hearing her talk about the fact that she wasn't shocked by this, yet, i think many people outside of your university campus are. is there with a culture of sexual violence at your school? >> i think there is a culture of sexual violence nationally and internationally. i think that this is not just a
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uva issue. it resonates with students at all campuses across the united states and so i think it's important that we're giving survivors a voice and allowing them to speak up individually on their campuses. >> absolutely. i'm kur yuts, though, before this article that appeared in "rolling stone," what was the attitude about this on campus, did you see a lot of support for the victims of sexual violence. give us a sense of the culture prior to the article. >> the article was not mentioned or talked about a lot. we live in a society in which the song "blurred lines" refer to consent topped billboard carts for three months in a row. what we are seeing on campus wide is the mentality we have been perpetuateing through the
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media. what we are seeing is an after math of that. >> sarah, i know you had a chance to speak with survivors on your campus, you have been active. is there a common thread when you talk to these young women about why they don't feel that they can speak up? >> i think we saw in the article that sometimes the first person you go to and tell that you have been sexually assaulted isn't supportive and studies show that that first person is crucial in how you will heal for the rest of your life and so, you know, like we saw in the article, jackie's friends were not supportive when she first came out of that fraternity house. then you know it was months later she first told her story and some people leave, so i think that those kind of things promote a culture of silence around sexual assault and how we can help end it, to support survivors and say we won't tolerate a culture that supports them. >> it sets the tone, doesn't it?
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i am curious what you think of your president theresa sullivan shutting down temporarily, suspending activities at your college, do you think that's a step in the right direction? >> i definitely think it's a step in the right drevenlgs again, it's one step. it's the first step. this isn't an issue limited to uva, it's something that occurs on every campus every weekend and all students know about it. again, as i said, i'm shocked that the outside world i guess was just hearing about the rape culture so deeply entrenched in every campus. >> oftentimes, it's because people don't want to know the truth. they turn a mind eye to it. thank you so much for your work. some women not shy about speaking up about this important issue. thank you very much. we are following a whole lot of news this morning, let's get to it. tension and anxiety about reaction looms. >> using any event as an excuse
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for violence is contrary to who we are. >> no matter what the grand jury decides, i do not want my son's death to be in vane. >> i don't remember a thing. it went blank. it never occurred to me to go to the police. >> do you think it's time for bill cosby to come forward sand say something? >> this report says no one lied? >> that's a bunch of garbage. i think the report is full of crap. >> good morning, everyone, welcome back to "new day." ferguson, missouri is on edge waiting to find out if the grand jury will indict officer wilson in the shooting of michael brown a. decision could come at any time we are told. >> so we have the decision to watch and of course the reaction. protests have been steady from the beginning of august 9th. there with has been a shift reported. barriers are up around the courthouse, policing the region and the national guard are on high alert to be sure.
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the question is what will happen next. we have cnn live in clayton, missouri. >> that is where they are distributing. anna, what is the feel there this morning? >> reporter: it is quiet. it is chilly. it is damp here this morning. we are just outside the justice center where this grand jury is expected to gen or continue their deliberations. they left friday without a decision. so when will their announcement be? what will that be? these are lingering questions that will have a lot of people here and around the country on edge. overnight, protesters marched, blocking traffic in ferguson. relatively calm, but for this incident. >> i know, you will be here a minute, bro'. >> while shooting this video, l.a. times reporter matt pierce was sent to the hospital after being struck in the head by a small object. >> i didn't see anybody throw
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anything. i felt a conk on the head. >> reporter: the fire burning in the hearts of protesters awaiting the decision from the grand jury. the group of 12 made up of five women, seven pen, nine white, three black is expected to pete again today after ending the day friday with no decision. outside the courthouse, law enforcement have put up barricades to brings for backlash. inside, the grand jury weighs the following options, indict officer darren wilson on 1st or 2nd degree purchased, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter or deliver a no true bill saying there isn't if you have evidence to go forward with the charges against wilson who fatally shot teenager michael brown. >> ultimately, the transparency will be everything the public hears, they will hear one way or another. >> reporter: if wilson is charged, the evidence comes out at trial. if there is no indictment, he plans to make all the testimony, reports, diagram and more
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public. but a judge has the final say on what gets released and when. michael brown's parents have urged calm. >> don't agitate them. i don't want nobody hurt. >> the president joined the call. >> this is a country that allows everybody to express tear views, but using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to rule of law, contrary to who we are. >> reporter: it was about a week ago now the governor preemptively declared a state of emergency. we know the national guard is on standby, extra agents have moved into the region. businesses have boarded up, all of these precautionary measures, people are preparing for the worst, but hoping that these steps that they're taking now ultimately won't be necessary. chris, alisyn. >> we are dealing with this
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balance, where you would rather be safe than sorry, where people are taking preparations. we have to see how it plays out. we will be there to bring out that story for sure, anthony grey, good to have you. >> good morning, chris. >> let me ask you something. the president in trying to give context to this situation, obviously, tamped down the expectations of violence, which he should as the leader. he says this isn't like selma, like the systemic problems of racial discrimination that we saw at that period in our development in that place. these are solvable problems. do you agree? >> i do think that they're solvable problems, to be quite frankly honest with you. i thought the problems were solvable back then. we just didn't pull up our sleeves during that particular time or that generation, roll up their sleeve and solve the problem. i think it's still as big of a problem today as it was back then, solvable, i think they were all solvable. it's just a matter of putting in
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the effort to do that. >> as big a problem as it was back then? what do you mean? obviously, there have been tons of positive change since the '60s in terms of how we deal with each other. >> i guess back then it was more overt, more blatant. it wasn't uncommon to actually see the vestiges of these attitudes of the people during that particular moment. you know, with watching people hanging from trees, for example, that kind of thing. i'm going way back. you don't see that in 2014, you see much of an invisible list so to speak. i think the problem is still there at the same magnitude. i think the effort and desire to solve it is probably there as well. it's a matter of if we will pull up our sleeves and do it. >> as we were ready to cover what happens here, we are talking about a lot of people on the ground, one thing i want your take on is this was over for us, i keep hearing from
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people upset and taking to the streets. as soon as it went to the grand jury, it was over for us. that's counterintuitive. the perception is if the prosecutor were going to the grand jury, it would be a process the people were driving, not him. the reaction is he gave up. he condition want this case, that's why he went to the grand jury what is your take on this? >> i think that's a legitimate sentiment given historical manner in which a lot of criminal cases are handled. most of the time the prosecutor reviews the evidence on a summary basis and they make a decision based on that, the idea that you would then punt to a grand jury gives the impression are you out of the loop. the grand jury will indict if you present the evidence. they won't indict if you don't present the evidence to indict. at the end of the day, chris,
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this grand jury decision will be a direct reflection on the way evidence was presented to them. that stems to the prosecutors. >> that is a common theory of how the dynamic is the prosecutor drives it so much, they have tremendous influence on the out come. there is a wild card, darren wilson taking the stand is unusual in grand juries. a good lawyer like yourself rarely likes to put your client, who is a defendant, in that position. he was there, he was there for a long time. there are whispers he was an effective witness. >> that can mean a lot when they are not hearing effective testimony from the other side? >> absolutely. he was there able to give a one-sided version of the events and the questions asked of him. probably not the same sort and extent that it would have been under a cross examination situation. so he was able give his testimony. plaechls persuasive because the pressure and the heat was not applied through the cross
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examinationing techniques. maybe that will bode well for him. maybe it won't. it's hard to say. >> however, to give the benefit of the doubt to the process the prosecutor would be doing the cross-examining at trial, obviously, he has more freedom, he or she has more freedom in the grand jury than they do at trial. rules of evidence don't apply, it's his or her show. so are you willing to give the benefit of the doubt here that the prosecutors could have really grilled this guy in there and they could really be making the case or your suspicions that they're just waiting for people to do tear job for them? >> you just hit it on the head, basically, you encapslized everything i said earlier in the few words you just spoke. because they are driving the process, they have this broad discretion in a way in a manner they want to approach this witness, gives the total control of this whole situation at their fingertips and that is concern in the community. that's why they don't trust it.
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there is a lot of mistrust that centers around this whole situation and it's been there from day one and what you just described is part of the reason why that mistrust is there. >> well, if one thing we have going for us, i say we, because this is the community at large how this is perceived. this is a secretive process, there is a huge record of everyday recorded. it's in front of 12 members of that community. it's not just kept in some government office. so you will know what was presented and people will be angry no matter what the result is here. council, i'll be seeing you in ferguson, soon. let's hope there is something positive that comes out from it down the road. >> thank you, chris. appreciate it. to breaking news this morning, nuclear talks between iran and six world powers are being extended into next month a. western diplomat says both sides are planning, there has been good progress. this is a decision that will
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have huge implications for iran's relationship with the west. let's go right to cnn's chief correspondent jim scuitto, he is live if vienna what do we know, jim? >> reporter: that's right, a western diplomat tells cnn there will be no comprehensive agreement here in vienna. the parties involved will release a statement citing good progress in the talks, but to move forward, that i have to meet again at a lower level. not the ministerial level, foreign ministers, et cetera. at a lower technical level. i am told they will be held next month at a location not derld yet. it means after these months of negotiations, it's not these final push since secretary kerry arrived, a number of negotiations at a number of levels. they have have not been able to close nuclear gaps. when you speak to diplomats, they put a positive shine on this extension saying that,
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listen, we wouldn't extend the talks, we wouldn't continue these negotiations if there wasn't something to talk about, if we didn't feel these gaps can be closed. the fact is, they weren't closed by tonight's deadline. they will have to go back and work at this and, frankly, alisyn face a different political environment both back in the u.s. and iran to sell another extension to the many opponents in each countries to a nuclear agreement. >> they do have their work cut out for them. jim scuitto, thanks forup dating us. guys, we begin with breaking news overnight. a lock down at houston and san antonio has been listed. that army base was put on lock down on sunday after a driver blew through a check point without stopping. an explosive team found no bombs in the vehicle. police say he was alone and there is no motive. an agreement giving that to troops an extended role in
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afghanistan. this allows them to remain in the country past the end of this year when the international combat mission was set to end. the troops are there to support local afghan forces against al qaeda. president obama expanded that role to include battles with the taliban. authorities in cleveland are investigating a fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy. the officer thought the boy had a real gun. after police responded to a 1911 call about a boy scareing people with a gun in the park. the officer fired at the boy after he pulled a replica gun. the boy died sunday in hospital following surgery. a special day for fine people. they will receive the presidential medal for freedom. meryl streep and tom brokaw and congressman john dingle. i guess that, stevie wonder, obviously, too. also on the list was the
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nation's highest civilian honor the families of three civil rights workers injured by the klu klux klan in 1964. >> it will be an important ceremony. >> it allows the government to rewarfront a broad range of activities. >> it sure looks like it. more women are coming forward accusing bill cosby of sexual assault. there are at least 15 accuseers now, is it time for bill cosby to respond?
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more than a dozen women speaking out, claiming that bill cosby sexually assaulted them, but this weekend, cosby played to a sold out venue in florida. le even got a standing ovation. how long can bill cosby go without addressing the accusations. what does this do to his legacy. great to see both of you this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> good morning, alisyn. >> good morning. by our count, there are now 15 accusers who have come forward to speak publicly. does bill cosby at some point need to address this or is silence working for him? >> well, silence is working, alisyn, and he has already addressed it through his attorneys. what he has done is he's attacking these victims. he is dragging them through the mud, digging up dirt on them to discredit them. he is calling them ill logical,
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delusional, blaming the media. so he is responding by victim blaming, alisyn. >> christopher, as we just said, he played a show the friday night. he got a standing ovation. maybe we can play this for our viewers. the crowd went wild when he came out on stage. there are so many people, despite the fact there are 15 voices coming forward that just don't believe that bill cosby would do something like this. >> well, here's the thing, this isn't just about sex, it's not just about power, it's also about money and madison avenue is weighing in. he lost his special with bill cosby on net flick and he lost nbc which is developing a sit-com on bill cosby. tv land plans to do reruns during thanksgiving, that has also been dropped. this is hitting him in the
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pocketbook. he was a power in tv. we have to see whether he can continue to be a power given the fact that the public and wall street and madison avenue don't think seemingly to address these concerns enough. >> maybe if he stays quiet, it does all evaporate. thus far, these are all old accusations, the statute of limitations has passed. what is the statute of limitations on rape? >> well, it depends on what, you know, what state you are in, alisyn. for example, in, no, it's, there is no statute of limitations, but that was only passed after some of these allegations so there will be no criminal charges, but there could be civil charges, although, i don't think any of these women want anything more, alisyn, than to just be believed. i find it absolutely disgusting but not surprising that people are so blinded by a celebrity that they're actually getting up on their feet and applauding for
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a man who has been accused not by just one woman, but by 15. this san he said, she said, it's a he said, she said, she said, she said, she said case. so the bottom line is women didn't come forward 30 years ago because they won't have been believed, because you still have people filling an auditorium and get up on their feet because the guy is a celebrity and because he's worth $400 million. no woman wants to be the face of rape, particularly when nay are accusing a person that nobody will believe. this happened with the catholic church scandal. it happened at penn state. it wasn't until one person came forward and pushed that it was believed that other women came out from the shadows because of their safety in numbers, am sin. >> you had your own experience, what happened when you wrote a story he didn't like. >> i wrote a story back in 2004 about the fact that bill cosby is making a lot of statements about what he seemed to see as a
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pathology in the black community and it was a simple plea for tolerance, that people should talk in a civil way within the black community about the problems that we face. he called me up and let me have it about what he thought of the story, issued a press release attacking the story. it's sometimes very difficult to calgary people who were in those kind of positions of power. but i should say, things seem to be current u turning around with cosby with his current controversy, surveys show him as one of the ten post-trusted pitch men in america. that may be damaged by what's happening now. cosby show rerun versus brought in over $1.5 billion in revenue over the last 20 years. the fact that it's pulled from tv land shows that may be damaged in the near future. so there is a lot of mounting financial difficulties that he has to face if he doesn't deal with this current controversy. >> what is the tiping point for bill cosby? what will clang the pattern we
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have seen thus far, old allegations surface, accusers come forward. he stays silent. we move on. >> you know, am sin, i think your question about -- alisyn, i think your question about whether or not he can remain silent is an excellent one. i think he will continue to remain silent. it continues to work with him. we live in a society everyone is so distracted unless we have video of an actual incident that puts it in our face or audio like we saw with donald sterling with the nba scandal, people will forget about this. it's a big world. there are plenty of people in america that are willing to still buy tickets, get up on their feet and applaud a guy accused of raping at least 15 minutes. >> do you agree, or do you think his speaking out will help the legacy? >> i think, you know, this all happened because a comedienne, male comedienne made a joke and suddenly it became national news. women make serious allegations
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for a long time and the media didn't cover it as much. the media has to look in the mirror and say why do you think a male comedienne making a joke to put it on the front pages. >> great to have your analysis this morning. great to see you guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> there have been seven investigations into the benghazi attack to see if there was a conspiracy. the report says, plenty to fix, but no conspiracy, the republican reaction will surprise you. also, we will take you to ferguson, deadly confrontation between white cops and black women. it is an issue that goes wale beyond ferguson, the footballs support it is happening more. is that rue? if it is, why? we have don lemon weighing in on it ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] over time, you've come to realize...
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good morning, once again, here's a look at your headlines. this could be the day we larry from a grand jury deciding whether to indict darren wilson in the shooting of michael brown. the panel will reconvene this morning. then of the 12 grand juror versus to agree for the case to move forward. police and the national guard are on high alert for the potential of violence. also, the nuclear deal on hold for now. talks will extend into next month. a western diplomat say both sides are reporting good progress. iran claims it's for peaceful purposes. world powers, however, want it scaled back. the next round of talks will be
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between lower level diplomats. condolences are pouring in for foreman washington, d.c. mayor marion barry. barry served four terms, three before he went to prison, he rebounded in the '90s to serve another term. funeral and memorial plans yet to be announced. one direction and iggy azalea took home the trophies. she's so fancy, ozzie raper iggy azalea had a leading six nominations, took home two awards. that's a look at your headlines. i'll pass it over to you. >> all right. there is infighting in the gop following a house report on the 2012 benghazi attack. at first, the report appeared to exoneration the obowl administration of wrong doing, saying it was working off the
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best intelligence it had at the time. it did not deliberately mislead the public the report indicates there was lying from the white house. ben ferguson the cnn political commentator and host of the "ben ferguson show." . >> good morning. >> benghazi reports the sixth governmental report issued. some are, well, two years, a two-year investigation, they found no intelligence failure. yet, there was confusion in the intelligence, but when they don't call eight failure, nor do they call eight cover-up or conspiracy, no delay in sending a rescue team. >> that, okay, has been a big complaint from the victims' families that something should have been done sooner. what are your thoughts on this latest report? >> one for the families, if you read this entire report, it is one of the hardest reports, it reads like a terrible tragedy, which it was. so for the families, i hope they find comfort knowing, in fact,
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there were people trying to come rescue and save their loved ones, but in this roar, i think the most shocking part of this, which has been overlooked by a lot of people is the fact that it's blatantly obvious on september 12ing the cia made it clear no one on the ground thought it was anything but a terrorist attack and the narrative was let's change terrorist attack to demonstration, and change terrorist attack to spontaneous. >> from the report the way i read it, it says at first they did have some intelligence from some of the witnesses that people were outraged about a video. they did have some witnesses telling them that that is what motivated mthem. >> but that was in cairo on the same day t. intelligence report makes it very clear, if you look in here, look at number seven, i encourage people to read it. it makes it very clear the cia's
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assessment were the internal cables sent to walk, including those at the white house, that this was not in anyway anything outside of an org straighted attack and they were already -- orchestrated attack and they were already talking about one at guantonomo bay who was released, now he has been arrested. so that's what the findings and the report say. it also says that they were shocked at the words "spontaneous protests" were even being used. where did those words come from? it came from the top advisers on intelligence in the white house said, we need the make sure, i'm using his words, this does not look like a policy failure of the administration. >> so beyond that sin, which is what that is, that the administration was trying to figure out a way to spin this for their narrative. beyond that are you satisfied that this report is definitive and that this was, as you started by saying just a terrible tragedy? >> well, it's certainly an important piece of the puzzle. i also look at this with a large
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after the asterisk. he needs every one of his contacts in the intelligence committee for him to continue his career inside politics looking in. you don't burn bridges, he's an fbi guy. part of this report looks at this protecting your own friends and allies instead of protecting it for what it is. this wasn't an intelligence fail yemplt you don't have an ambassador killed, you don't have this many cables coming forward on the anniversary of 9-11. that's one of the things we saw early on, literally, within eight hours of this report, it was obvious from their assessment on the anniversary of 9-11, this was a terrorist attack, that should have been the narrative from the very beginning. >> i hear what you are saying, you thisty chairman mike rogers isn't holding punches, there are all sorts of other republicans on this select committee. congressman peter king.
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congress woman michelle bachmann, max thornberry of texas. these people are not known as benghazi apoll gists. >> what i'm saying is this report specifically and only deals with the intelligence community. it does not deal with susan rice directly, it does not deal with hillary clinton. hillary clinton, for example, was never looked at by this committee or asked her to testify. so to act as if this is some all encompassing report that many would be talking about would be incredibly naive to look at this way. this was an intelligence report about the intelligence of this attack during and after and one thing it makes clear is that the narrative from the white house was absolutely thought that this was a spontaneous protest. this was two months be every the election. they knew they need to change the words. it was spontaneous to every co. make sure it doesn't look, i use tear words, a failure in policy. >> ben, very quickly, as you
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know, there is a seventh governmental report, an investigation that will come out. it is being spearheaded, when the tre gality reports come out, will they say that and move on? >> the report is looking at hillary clinton, looking alt the state department, looking at the white house. not just the one aspect of the intelligence community. i think that will be a much different narrative. i'm glad they have this report to look at. i'm glad it says early on we did not have a stand down order, there were men and women incredibly believe at the annex that says regardless of waiting, we are going, we will save men and women including our ambassador. they understood it was a terrorist attacks. they understand there is a lot of language that changed between the attack time and what the white house was telling us, which is spontaneous and it wasn't. they even knew there was less than 70 guys on the ground that
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morning and they had large arm fire, rpgs and mortars. that's not a protest. that's a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9-11 in the middle east. >> ken ferguson, thanks, so plup for your perspective. always great to see. >> you good to talk to you. a grand jury in ferguson, missouri, may decide the shooting of michael brown today. i didn't mention race. to many the key here is a white man shot an unarmed black man and killed him and may not be unpunished. just this weekend word of another fatal incident of a police officer and a young black man, a 12-year-old, is is fuelling the outrage. is this more than circumstance? is it simply unequal justice? ♪
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ferguson matters, it matters because of the need for justice, regardless of the outcome by the grand jury and because the killing of a black man by a white man is something that is perceived as not punished enough. over the weekend, protests in new york city following the
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killing of a 20-year-old in a dark stairwell unarmed. the nypd is calling it an accident. a 12-year-old boy, black, shot and killed in cleveland saturday after police say he was waving a gun t. gun turned out to be a toy on a 911 call t. person calling it in, suspected it was a toy, it had that orange piece that says it's a toy removed. are these cases getting more attention or are the numbers up between cops and young men of color? let's discuss it. gentleman, thank you, don, especially to you, i know it's freezing there, thanks for being a part of this. it's worth it. this is an important conversation. let's play what rudy guiliani, an esteemed member of our society and a lawman had to say on this issue. >> i find it very disappointing that you're not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in america are killed by other blacks. we are talking about the exeption here. i'd like to see the attention paid to that, that you are paying to this.
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what about the poor black child killed by another black child? go to that. >> i do protest that. i'm a minister, they go to jail. why don't you talk about the way. >> why don't you pipe down, so why don't you cut it down so so many white police officers don't have to be in black areas? >> it's something usually not said by powerful people on television, which is his perception that, hey, the cops wouldn't have to be there if you guys weren't doing so much bad stuff. at the end of the day, that's what the mayor was saying, right? >> right. understand even in the question and what the mayor is saying, what does this mean, like you guys, so much, it is i can only understand it to be what i assume it to be is racist on his face. >> i am putting it that way. >> i'm not saying you. i'm saying you take even chicago with the tremendous amount of attention lately. it wasn't the murder capital of the world, not by a long shot. it had a really high murder
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rate, highly concentrated in african-american neighborhoods. jail took a look at that and found that 70% of all those murders were conducted by 6% of the population. they looked at just a six square mile area where the murders were heavily concentrated. what happens to the other 94% of those people? what are we saying to them when people like guiliani say you people just need to handle it, deem with it, or you have to accept some level of collateral damage in this battle that we are conducting. >> he's point. ing out. >> those are extraordinary things. >> he is saying you have to take responsibility for it. that's what he's saying. >> he is saying you are making noise about. that you go to chicago. people are marching, setting up zones to walk kids home from school. they are making all kind of noise about that. the idea the perception that people in chicago did not in their own communities say enough
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is enough, can we do stuff? what people are saying, though is, we don't want to have the fight the criminals and the cops. we don't want to have the perception. we don't want to lose more faith in this current justice system. >> let's unpack it, though. don, here is the truth. okay. rudy is saying, you guy versus to take care of your own business a little bit more. the cops don't have to be there. that's what he is saying. the numbers say, people kill people who look leak they do. blacks don't kill each other more than whites do, really. it's 93% blacks kill blacks, 86% whites kill whites. it's about proximity. but how do we not understand this yet? what does it go to, in your opinion, don? >> i think most rational people do understand that whites kill whites, blacks kill blacks. that's how it works. i think rudy guiliani didn't say it right. i think the way he said it, it
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came off as racist. had he said as i spoked to a police officer last night, you know, don, the numbers are the numbers, if you look at the raw numbers, police are in certain neighborhoods, which 'times happen to be african-american neighborhoods or hispanic neighborhoods, or whatever, just because the crime numbers in that area. had he not and i was very surprised as a leader after a major city for him to say, you people, you guys, those sorts of things? does he have a point when it comes to taking responsibility? we all do, that doesn't just go tore black people. it's important how you say it, especially as a leader. so i think that we need to talk about how we prevent crime in all areas. charles is right. i think michael dyeson is right as well, people do discuss crime in black areas. people are outraged by crimes in black areas. you don't hear about it as much in the news. it's not sex years so to speak, for lack of a better word.
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if there the a police involved, yeah, if there is a police-involved shooting, it gets all the attention and people tune in. >> michael made a good point, which was this, you know, if you can turn the gloof inside out and you can demonstrate to me that there are black people killing other black people and the black person, we know they shot the person, we know where they are. still they did not get a cardinal, they did not get locked up, they did not go through the criminal justice whatsoever. they did not get locked up, if you can show me the same percentage. >> when police officers get involved, let's generalize on that level. do you think those numbers should relate the same, arrest ratio as when black civilians shoot other civilians? >> let's take it further, let's say all police shootings, should be, if they were truly equitable, you would have relative numbers of white people killed by police and black people killed by police. but that is not what the data
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show. >> they report the amount of crime. >> these people are not the people necessarily committing the crimes. a lot of these people, we see unarmed people. if you say you are shooting somebody in the commission of a crime. it is a different animal than a boy sitting in a swing with a gun. i'm sorry. it's a whole different animal. we cannot mix these two things up together, say the people, a, listen, the other 94% who are not involved in these crimes have to pay some price because a small percent annual of people are not involved. >> it's not okay by any stretch of the imagination? >> you talk about training, you got to talk about training in the community, what ooip type of person is in the community. listen, again, after knowing i was going to do this, being here on this story, i have been speaking to a lot of people i know in police departments. they say, listen, don, you have to realize the broader community
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looks at it as we are racist guy, we don't go to work every day saying we are going to shoot unarmed people or a black person. we go, we want to go home to our families. in many cases it's very tough to find police officers that have the same racial makeup as a community. then have you people who are rookie police officers that need more training, they're scared. they go into communities. they don't know the people, they're just afraid. many times they react poorly. i'm not making an excuse for it. >> they are scared, period, no matter who they have to deal with. >> why does a person who looks like me scare you more than a person who looks like you? if you don't understand that, if you don't put that into context. >> you don't scare me. >> it doesn't matter -- >> sorry, hold on. they're saying. >> hold on one second, i hear you, charles, black cops do it,
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too. >> what i'm telling you, when you have a culture that demonized black peel, we all absorb it. i lift in the society, too, if the black cops absorb it. i'm not saying either of those ab 10r7gs the body of particular black men, it is wrong. we have to look at it and say i'm not saying you are going out to do something racist, to do something bad, who is there to shoot someone, no one is saying that. i'm saying, you look at these numbers, black people are far more likely to be shot by police than white people. you look at the idea that the people are more afraid of people who look like me than look like you, that is the problem. it is the final problem. it is not an individual problem. you can't ask enough people. some of it is implicit. it is not an explicit suggestion. >> it goes far beyond that. >> i'm not saying it's important. i think it's important.
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training mitigates this idea. we have an arbitrary conversation. we have social sciences, they have conducted experiments and given people guns and said, fake guns and said, one of these guys has a gun. one doesn't. people in the general public are more likely to shoot the black person with the gun. >> we are out of time. i'm not arc youing with you, i think are you right about that. what i'm saying, there needs to be more training, people look at it, it doesn't matter, i'm afraid, so few are as we said, if it's intrinsic in society that people are more afraid, officers pay be more afraid of african persons, yes, okay, i agree with you on that. but it's just training. these are young officer was are in communities and they can't find the racial makeup of the community. it's not balanced and they're afraid. it doesn't matter whether it's white or hispanic. they need more training. >> if are you the person who has
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taken the oath, who had gone through the training, they have given you a gun, can you not simply lean back on the concept i am afraid and let that be the guiding principle. >> it's not an excuse, it's just a reality, though, it's true, it's a truth, i don't think that they're leaning on that, but that's a part of it. that's a part of the discussion and part of the training that needs to be worked on. >> there is no question. it is a big problem. it goes beyond what happens with blacks in the communities, how communities see each other and other people kevenlth it's a big conversation, that's why we have to keep having it. thanks for being with us in the cold. i will be joining you soon. my friend, thank you for keeping this going. >> chris, on a more fun note, the new york giants lost to the rival dallas cowboys. the giants' rookie receiver was the winner of the fight. the catch you have to see to believe coming up in ""bleacher report."" ♪
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welcome back. the cowboys and giants squaring off on sunday night football. the game taking a back seat though to what some are calling the greatest catch in nfl history. andy shulls has more, hi andy.
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>> good morning, yeah erin's talking about beckham junior's catch this morning. in terms of regular season catches, i think this is the best grab of all time. happened first play of the second quarter, eli manning going deep for beckham, and as he's getting pulled down, he reaches back and just makes an insane one-handed catch. look again. just incredible. now beckham said after the game i hope it's not my greatest catch, good luck topping that one, man. now the giants were up 21-10 in this one. but cowboys came back, alex gets the win, 31-28. all right, colts wide receiver t.y. hilton had a baby girl yesterday morning. he was holding his daughter at 11:15 then on the field playing less than two hours later. now he promised his new daughter he'd catch a touchdown for her, and sure enough, in the third quarter, hilton goes 70 yards for the score, and watch this, cradles the football as if it was his daughter.
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then he tweeted this saying my princess got the game ball today. i promised you a td on your special day. that's cute. all right some fans in detroit waited hours to get their hands on free tickets to the bills-jets gaim. this is with the tickets looked like yesterday morning. they were gone in just ten minutes. people who snapped them up online and at the box office are trying to resell them, but most online exchanges like stubhub and ticket masters are not allowing people to resell them. meanwhile in buffalo, the clean up continues at the stadium. crews are working to remove six feet of snow before next sunday when the bills are scheduled to host the browns. and chris, your jets taking -- allison's there, jets taking on the bills, i wondered if he thought they were going to get a win. again, two games for monday night football. double header tonight. >> are you trying to give chris grief because we don't want to get in the way of that. >> bills didn't get to practice
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much, the jets have a competitive advantage tonight. we'll see what happens. >> good, he's hearing you and grimacing, so that's great, andy. thanks so much. we love the baby included in the bleacher report, great job. meanwhile, ferguson, missouri, is on edge. grand jury meets again today after no decision was reached on whether to indict officer darren wilson object shooting death of michael brown. the city and country are bracing for protests. [ shutter clicks ] hi there! [ laughs ] -i'm flo! -i know! i'm going to get you your rental car. this is so ridiculous. we're going to manage your entire repair process from paperwork to pickup, okay, little tiny baby? your car is ready, and your repairs are guaranteed for as long as you own it. the progressive service center -- a real place, where we really manage your claim from start to finish. really.
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what comes next? grand jury in ferguson meets today, the decision could follow on whether to indict officer darren wilson in the death of unarmed teen michael brown. key arrests have been made that hopefully are not a sign of what's to come. new accusations against bill cosby, another woman claims to have been assaulted by the comedian 45 years ago. the allegations from accusers cast a cloud over the comedian, will he finally speak out? one year later. obamacare up and running, will this round of sign ups go smoother than the debut? this as the gop continues to push for repeal.
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former secretary kathleen sebelius breaking her silence. new day continues right now. this is "new day." >> good morning, welcome to new day, it's monday, november 24th, just after 8:00 in the east, chris, allison, and michaela, here her in, we want welcome to back in our dish viewers. call a friend, tell them. new day's back in town. and we're going to start off with ferguson, missouri. there is a reason to be on edge. the grand jury is meeting there today, could be the last time they meet. could be bringing up a decision very soon. so the question is whether they will or not indict officer darren wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. whatever decision is made, we're expecting a quick announcement, and that's new information. it had been that authorities were going to hold it for a
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couple of days. now you'll hear as soon as we do. >> attentions remain high with concerns over what will happen if wilson is exonerated, and not clear whether the public will get to see the evidence the grand jury reviewed. we are live in clayton, missouri, for us, what is the latest there, ana? >> reporter: good morning, we are seeing an increase in police presence outside the st. louis county justice center here this morning where the grand jury is expected to reconvene some time in the next few hours. remember, there have to be at least nine of the 12 grand jurors that agree for there to be an indictment in this case. what will their decision be? when will the announcement come? these are questions creating a lot of anxiety and tension in this community awaiting answers. overnight, protesters marched, blocking traffic in ferguson. relatively calm, but for this incident. >> trying to go home. >> all right, yeah, but you going to be here far minute,
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bro. >> reporter: l.a. times reporter matt pierce was rushed after being struck in the head by a small object. >> i didn't see anything throw anything, i didn't see what it was. it felt like conk on the head. >> reporter: fire burning in the hearts of protesters awaiting a decision from the st. louis county grand jury. the group of 12, five women, seven men, nine white, and three black is expected to meet again today after ending friday with no decision. outside the courthouse, law enforcement have put up barricades to brace for backlash, inside the grand jury weighs the following options. indict officer darren wilson on first or second-degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, or deliver a no true bill. saying there isn't enough evidence to go forward with the scharges against wilson who -- charges against wilson who fatally shot michael brown. >> ultimately the transparency will there, everything the grand jury hears, the public will
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hear. one way or the other. >> reporter: the prosecutor says if wilson is charged, the evidence comes out at trial, if there is no indictment, he plans to make all the testimony, reports, diagrams, and more public. but a judge has the final say on what gets released and when. michael brown's parents have urged calm. >> i just want y'all to be careful, don't agitate them, don't let them agitate y'all. i don't want nobody getting hurt. >> reporter: the president on abc's this week, joined the call. >> this is a country that allows everybody to express their views, but using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to rule of law and contrary to who we are. >> reporter: keep in mind, regardless of the outcome of the grand jury decision here, this will not be the end. there are still two federal civil rights investigations that are ongoing, one probe into the
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shooting death of michael brown, the other is taking a much broader look at police conduct involving minorities in ferguson, chris. >> all right ana, and just as a matter of law, the prosecutor even if the grand jury doesn't return a true bill, he could still prosecute. it's part of his prerogative. so there is much that remains to be seen. let's bring in gabe crocker, he's the president of the st. louis county police association. gabe, good to have you with us. what the police do here is going -- always a pleasure. and this outcome is very relevant to the brothers and sisters who are trying to protect the communities as well. let me ask you, do you have different sets of protocols and dispositions based on what the outcome of the grand jury decision is? >> well, you know, we have in st. louis, st. louis county, the st. louis region, we have a unified command, you've heard about it. our chief of police, the city police chief and captain from the missouri state highway patrol have worked on the plans with all of their command
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personnel over the last several weeks. so there are different areas that are more hot spot like, like the shaw neighborhood in st. louis county or certainly west flor sant up in ferguson. of course here in ferguson, we're expecting the announcement any time. there are different areas that we expect different levels, and of course we have got police officers and first responders that are in these areas. there is a plan in place. we're trying to secure the areas, protect life, protect property, and make sure that, you know, that, you know, we don't lose anybody in these situations. >> lessons learned from the last time around in terms of where to be and how to be? >> oh absolutely. i mean, and you know, we also have the opportunity to do a lot more planning. you know last time, it just, everything exploded on us so quickly, it really flashed on us. we were behind the curve from
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the very beginning, this time we've had more time to prepare, we've had, you know, a lot more time for larger police departments and smaller police departments to work together, establish command posts, and put particular officers in certain locations. so we're much, much more prepared this time. >> how worried are you about the outside bad guys, fbi making arrests on two people trying to get materials in an undercover operations to make pipe bombs. that's dampbt level of -- different level of nasty. pipe bomb versus a water bot sl no joke. -- bottle is no joke. how concerned are you about more of them out there? >> how concerned i am about domestic terrorism, because that's not protesting, that's not a first amendment thing, that's people that are trying to place bombs, and we can go back in our history the last 20 years ago and talk about domestic terrorism that occurred right here. that's of course we're very, very worried, as we have been even since august when we, you know, when we were behind the curve a little bit, but we
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started to realize quickly that most of the people in st. louis, especially in ferguson, weren't the one tharps actually cause -- ones actually causing the problems. we had outside groups that were here quite frankly to have fun, and it was at the expense of a lot of good, hard working decent people here in the st. louis region. >> being an agitator versus a pipe bomb is two very different degrees of involvement, hopefully you're on top of that. do you think you need the national guard there? >> yes. and i actually agreed with that decision to do that. the national guard, you know, of course there is an immediate accusation of you're military rising the situation, that's completely unfair, and that's just simply people that are not informed about the situation making that call. what that was is, and what it is now, is they are there to provide support to law enforcement. you know, guarding parking garages, guarding strip malls, things of that nature which
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frees up additional police officers and patrol cars that can be out in the communities, doing what we need to do in direct contact with the protesters, and that, of course you have the national guard and they're basically back filling roles for us. and that's extremely helpful to law enforcement. >> underthe concern just -- you understand the concern, just humvees, it sends a message. what their role is rel vanlt as well. >> that's not true. they are hum vies, i can go to any -- >> not like that, you can't. >> not trying to be argumentative with you. not with a gun. you know, and you know sure they're going to have those vehicles available to them, they're not going to be armed with machine guns on the top and no cannons or anything like that. they're back filling positions. listen, if you want them in a pries prius, we can do that too, but this is the vehicles they have. if it's a humvee that makes a
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st. louis community safer and protects us from what we just said, domestic terrorists planning to put bombs in the area or people looking to burn down businesses or kill police officers, the more humvees the better in my opinion, and i don't think very many people disagree. >> safety is the priority. thanks for being with us. hopefully are the preparations are much more than as needed to deal with what the outcome is, i'll see you out there. >> thanks, chris. >> allison. we have breaking news this morning to get to, the deadline far deal on iran's nuclear program is being extended until next summer. six world powers agreed to this extension with iran, so what does mean? let's get to cnn's chief national correspondent live in vienna, what does it mean, jim? >> reporter: well, that's right, allison. western diplomat telling us the new details that that deadline extended for a final agreement to july 1st, next year, and for a political agreement general
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principles you can say, until march 1st, do the math, that's eight months from now, 20 months from when the agreement was first signed last november. that's a lot of time to have a lot of these questions unresolved, but particularly keeping in mind the political pressure that certainly american negotiators are under back home with a republican-led congress, going to be starting in january, but also back in iran, and it means that you've had secretary kerry working this, certainly not just for the last few days, but for weeks and months and could not come to agreement to close those gaps on those big issues. what does that mean to people back home? it means the big questions of what exactly is the nature of iran's nuclear program? do they fess up to detail us about past efforts to make a nuclear weapon? what rights will iran retain in terms of enriching uranium, even if you don't go further than that. all those questions will not have final answers far number of months. now when i speak to members of
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the diplomats involved in the negotiations, they would not keep talking unless there was something to talk about. unless there was a good chance to come to agreements on the issues. they're going to start those talks yet again just in the next couple of weeks, but they've given themselves a lot of time allison to resolve the issues, and it means for folks watching this back home and the obama administration, those questions will remain unanswered for some time. >> let's hope that restart proves productive, jim, thanks so much for explaining that. more news, let's get to michaela. >> here's the headlines, afghanistan approving with u.s. and nato allowing troops to remain beyond the end of the year when the mission was supposed to end. 12,000 international troops will remain, that number is unchanged. what does change is their role. president obama approved new guidelines allowing american troops to engage taliban fighters in addition to al qaeda. republican senator lindsey graham with a sharp rebuttal to a house committee report to the
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for them. >> she said it was good. >> i was dispointed she didn't ask me to take her. i thought it was going to be an end run around that i'm old to be seeing the movie. >> nope. >> denied. >> went with another girl and two boys. >> sorry dad. >> new era. >> she doesn't to want go on a date with daddy. >> outside longer daddy did. >> oh. ready to hop over there and deal a beating. it was a good movie. >> really? >> i think it's a calorie burner. >> well, then that's good. >> i'll see it twice. >> there you go. stick around for this, there's another woman from bill cosby's past who claims the comedian sexual assaulted her. the disturbing details and the words she has for cosby in her first national interview. plus did the university of virginia ignore student's rape claims? that's the question and we're talking live with a professor and alum of the school for answers. un-leash the holidays at t-mobile with a tablet on us! right now when you get a new data plan
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in the past two weeks at least 15 women have come forward accusing bill cosby of sexual assault or rape. some of these women, like the one you're about to meet, kept the alleged assault secret from their closest friends aenz family for decades. on social media, people are skrept call of the accusers, zsh skeptical of the accusers. many accused of doing this for money or fame. she says cosby assaulted her in 1965 and i asked her whether she
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has ever tried to get money for her story. >> i am a very, woman that's very comfortable financially. i'm really happy. i have everything. i don't his money, or anyone else's. >> so then why are you coming forward? >> two reasons. one, i don't like to see these other women who had similar experiences called liars and trashed in the media when i know that i can speak for them. and the second reason, it was that it might encourage others, because i thought, these are all new, that i didn't know about and there may be dozens, or hundreds of other victims. >> 71-year-old kristina ruly
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says her encounter with comedian bill cosby took place in 1965 when she was 22 years old, making hers the earliest known alleged case. she was working as a secretary when she says cosby invited her and several co-workers to a party at his house. you get to the party, or the beginning of what you think will be a party. and he prepares a cocktail for you. >> yes. bourbon and 7, that was the standard thing for me to drink at that time. i. >> you have two drinks. >> i two drinks that i'm clear about. >> and then what happened? >> i don't remember a thing. it went blank. when you're in that kind of a foggy state, you don't think of anything, but that. you had drunk too much. so i must have passed out again, because when i awakened again, i found myself on a bed. >> then what happened? >> he was there, he had his shirt off, and i believe he had
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his pants off. it's pretty groggy. and he had his hand on the back of my head. >> she says he then tried to force her to perform oral sex. >> and so, i lifted my head away, i think it surprised him. i lifted my head away, and pulled myself away immediately. and i went into the bathroom, and i threw up, and i know i threw up a couple of times. when i finished, i came out and he was gone. >> kristina believes it could have been worse. cosby could have raped her a few months after the incident, she told her boyfriend at the time what happened. did you tell anyone else other than your boyfriend? >> i might have, i might have, but it's something that sort of maybe you would term your boyfriend, but not girlfriends. things were different. you talked about different things. you didn't talk about date rape with girlfriend. >> did it ever occur to you to
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go to the police? >> no. he had no injured me. what had he done? exposed himself to me, but this was the '60s. and it never occurred to me to go to the police. i just went on with my life. >> people are skeptical. >> i know. >> that bill cosby did this to you and to the other women. bill cosby was a likable, beloved -- >> he was likable. >> back in the '70s, '60s and '70s, why did he have to resort to drugging women? >> i don't think he's very attractive. or sexy. i guess that's just my viewpoint. maybe he is an adequate -- maybe he is inadequate inside. i heard this is a routine of his. all the time. rape is about power, not sex. rape is about anger, not sex.
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and until he had the series i spy which was the series he had then, he was just a comedian. and the power that he found in his hands, he abused. >> in 2005, 40 years later, kristina read about another victim, she filed a lawsuit against cosby and kristina wanted to help. becoming one of the 13 jane doe's in the case, which was settled for an undisclosed amount with her. so you basically volunteered your services, and your memory -- >> yes. >> to this other lawsuit, but you to not stand to gain financially from being a part of this lawsuit. >> oh no. and i didn't need it, and i didn't need the aggravation, but i thought, what's the worst thing that can happen to me that somebody calls me a liar. >> i want to read you, um, a statement from bill cosby's attorney. >> uh-huh. >> lawsuits are filed against people in the public eye every
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day. there has never been a shortage of lawyers to represent people with claims against rich, powerful men, so it makes no sense that not one of these new women who have just come forward for the first time now ever asserted a legal claim back at the time they alleged to be sexual assaulted. >> well lawyers can be hired by rich, powerful men to speak for them when they are silent. that's my answer. >> cosby's attorneys did not provide cnn with a response specific to kristina's claims. what do you think is going to happen next? do you think that there's such a dim now that's been created by the more than dozen women, yourself included that he must respond? >> i think more will come from the word, whatever you follow here, it doesn't end with me. >> do you think it's time for bill cosby to come forward and say something? >> i do. i wish he had the courage.
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i wish he had the balls. who would want 15 minutes of this kind of, not fame, shame? so i'm here, not that the i think i'm this great, courageous character person, but to say to the others who have come forward and who i hope will come forward, it's, it takes courage. >> all right. so she answers a lot of the questions that have been on social media. doing it for money, notoriety or fame, she addresses those directly. when we tabulated the facebook response on the new day facebook page, it was 3-1 last week in favor of cosby supporting cosby and rejecting the women's stories. maybe today, it's changing, but she just gets right to the heart of the matter. she was candid. i don't need money, i'm coming forward to support all of the --
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>> standing in solidarity. i'm getting so frustrated when i hear people say, why are you covering this story? because these allegations are too loud for us to ignore. if this is happening, we have to shine a light on this. >> yes. >> the question is what are you going to do about it? what happens here? there is an inherent frustration, they're coming forward at great personal risk -- >> make somebody take responsibility. >> the chance he decides to go on television and give an answer, different than that in the past is a very remote suggestion. although, she made a point there that i misunderstood the first time you just explained. who would want these 15 minutes of shame. that may apply equally to cosby. if he's saying this is untrue, how long will he take it? you know, how long will he take it? >> the women, why would they want to come forward? >> i know. >> strong point. >> here's a comment that just came in on facebook that i just have to read because of the misunderstanding that i believe
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it is warranted here. joshua writes, to me it's not a question of whether i believe them, he tried to seduce them, they said no, and the woman got back in the car and let him drive her home. that's not seduction, joshua, if what they are alleging happened, happened. he allegedly drugged them and attacked them. you have an interesting view of seduction. >> this is where i think it's just, you know, social media gets, i don't know that it's necessarily helpful in this kind of situation because it just propagates mistruths instead of -- >> especially facebook, twitter, facebook can be different, twitter is hate bait. >> we're trying to take the temperature of the viewers and of americans in terms of their response to the cosby things, i don't know if this is representative of how people are really -- >> no, i think there are a lot -- there's a range of opinions, not that big of a range on this. when you look online. reasonable people find themselves in one position.
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extended, western diplomat terms cnn there's a margin deadline and a july deadline far completed deal. another bill cosby accuser coming forward, kristina ruly says cosby tried to assault her sexually in 1955. she's comfortably financially and not looking for money. university of virginia student leaders are set to speak about the school's growing sexual abuse scandal this morning. it comes days after uva suspended all fraternity activities following disturbing allegations in a rolling stone article. look, i don't know football, but i know that is an amazing catch. some are saying this grab by giant's receiver odell beckham jr. is the best they've ever seen. five things to know, we update them for the latest. >> that is impressive, thanks. well to buffalo we go. the white stuff is set to become
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the wet stuff. warmer temperatures moving in, ready to melt the seven feet of snow that fell there last week. let's get to alexander field, she's live in buffalo, new york, with the plans to keep people safe, what is the plan? >> reporter: well the flood warning will be in effect for most of the day. right now it's melting less quickly than officially feared it might. we are autohere along the creek and slowly over the hours, water levels are creeping up. they are geared towards people who live near these creeks. also to people in more urban areas with all the snow that came down, you have the storm dra drains that got clogged up. this area, it got pummelled with snow, now the state is doing everything it can with the former temperatures in the forecast. they brought in a lot of preparations, they're doing a lot of advanced work to stem any issues that could be created bay flood. additional boats, helicopter, sandbags, pumps, generators, everything everybody doing what they can to prepare for the
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possibility of flooding. peep told to get things out of basement and pack a bag, just be ready in case it comes, they've been through a lot this week. they're hoping that they have seen the worst of it, allison. >> we are too. but it looks like they'll be prepared, thanks so much. is obamacare destined to be overturned? the president's signature health care law facing some major legal hurdles. does it stand a chance? we will speak live to the woman who was in charge of the law when it launched. that's straight ahead. we needed 30 new hires for our call center.
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has been one year since healthcare.gov had its big roll out. we remember it was a big thud, right. it's round two starting now. open enrollment under way, the affordable care act facing hurdles however. one is a huge one, supreme court case that could ultimately doom the law depending on the jot come there. we'll discuss that. and can obamacare withstand legal challenges and just the ordinary challenges, and will it be worth it in terms of the benefit it can provide? kathleen sebelius, former secretary of health and human services. of course also the former governor of kansas. very nice to have you with us, governor. >> thank you, chris, great to be with you this morning. >> all right. so let's break this down, five points i want to get after here. first the health of the program in general, no pun attended, 56% of people disapprove of the affordable care act still, what do you see out there in terms of the acceptance of this program and the effectiveness of this
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program at this point? >> well, i think two measures are really about the effectiveness and success of the program. first there are about just under seven million people who now have affordable coverages and in the new marketplaces. that's good news, almost eight and a half million people have medicaid coverage that they did not have before, and i can tell you, chris, i get stopped in airports and grocery stores, all over this country with people saying thank you, thank you because i now have health care. >> governor -- >> the other thing -- >> before you get to the second point, let me ask you about the seven million, i'm sorry because that number has become a hot button issue. darrell issa saying it was inflated, dental, not medical. >> 6.7 i think is the revised number, there was a, an erroneous count trying to get to a baseline going into open
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enrollment, if tinds correctly, there were about 400,000 double counted who had dental and health coverage and they were counted as two separate groups. >> just a mistake or intentional? >> absolutely a mistake. there is transparency has been a huge part of this program. i think putting out correct numbers, has always been a goal. but as you know, there was a lot of speculation that we would not get anywhere near the projected seven million sign ups and i think that's a sign of success. the other sign of success and wall street analysts again weighed in on friday, 25% of the insurers in the 2015 marketplace are brand new. the markets are competitive in places that they were consolidated before. and the market analysts are actually very optimistic that 2015 will well exceed the numbers with lots of people signing up and younger and healthier people signing up. so there's a very robust marketplace. >> you are no longer in charge of the website, but we are told and that the administration
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acknowledges this, the back end of the swebz still unfinished. how can that be? >> well, i think, chris, what you're talking about is an automated way that numbers will be transferred seemlessly to eninsurers and paid on a -- insurers and paid on a timely basis. what they asked us to keep in place until everything was fully tested and ready to go was the month by month trueing up, making sure we had the right in your opinions and they did and they were paid. the so the work at the back send going on. we want to make sure, and i think the department wants to make sure now in the ongoing work that before its just rolled over to automation that serving absolutely the way it should be. >> let's talk about some of the recent criticism. obamacare advisor jonathan gruber coming out and saying there was somewhat of an intention to sell this in a deceptive way, also talks about
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the tax credits which are going to be the subject of supreme court litigation suggesting that they were used to juice states into accepting the exchanges and accepting obamacare. is he an important part of the process of putting this together and is he telling the truth? >> well, i think the professor gruber's comments are just offensive and flat out wrong. there couldn't have been more open discussions. there were dozens of hearing and mark ups and analysis, there were five committees in congress, this went on for months and months. so the notion that somehow this was a secret or that the tax frame was a secret is just really ludicrous. i think that there's no question that congress intended for tax credits to be an important part of the framework, overall in the bill that people would have the federal government playing the role when an employer didn't provide a portion of the coverage. that's what this market was all about. people who didn't have
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affordable coverage in the workplace, had an opportunity to not pay 100% out of their own pocket, but to get some assistance from the federal government. so they and their families could have affordable health coverage, and it works. >> you believe it will survive the legal challenge. what about the political challenge? specifically what gruber says about there was an intentional sell, push that it will cost less, maybe it will, maybe it won't, push that, don't push it's about covering everybody we can because people won't like that as much, is that what you did? >> again, i don't think jonathan groouber is correct at all. -- gruber is correct at all. we were forth right with the american public. members of congress were forth right, it was both about having affordable coverage was a piece of it, but also people getting coverage they didn't have. people who did not have, in their workplace, affordable coverage, entrepreneurs, start up business owners, others who were really on their own to try and buy coverage who were
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uninsured, we've seen the biggest drop in the uninsured, in the united states history, and that's very good news. >> let me ask you something, governor, and in this context, former secretary, a year later now, do you feel it was wrong to make you a fall guy for what was going on with obamacare? do you wish you were still there? >> i think that i'm really proud of the work that i was able to do with an amazing team of people and certainly led by the president in the united states. the president and i talked about the right time to leave and right after the election. i was very happy to stay through the roll out initially, and we had a disastrous eight weeks. there's no excuse for that. the website was flawed, and for eight weeks, it was really miserable. the good news is by the end of december, when coverage started, we had a million people sign up, and by the end of open enrollment, we had almost eight million people and by the time we got to october of this year, about 6.7 million of those folks
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have new coverage. and governors red and blue states expanded medicaid. that's a great legacy and i'm really proud of that. >> governor, former secretary, kathleen sebelius for being with us on new day. good luck in whatever comes next. >> thank you so much. >> allison. students at the university of virginia outraged at the way college officials handled a rape claim. live with a professor and alum of the school to find out how the scandal is effecting campus. un-leash the holidays at t-mobile with a tablet on us!
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we've been talking about the fall out from the rolling stone article detailing rape allegations on campus at the university of virginia. student ts stage protests over the weekend as more of these details emerged. fraternities at the school were put on suspension until january. we should point out, a third of the students are part of greek life on that campus. here to discuss the article, an english professor and a uva alumnist. a crowd funding site for sex abuse victims. ladies, i'm glad you would join us here. we've been examining so much about what has been described as a culture of violence at uva. professor, first to you because i think we would love to hear your perspective after hearing the startling allegations in this rolling stone article. is there a culture at your school that allows for this kind of thing to go on?
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>> well, obviously this thing does go on. this is certainly not the first time that we've heard about sexual misconduct on this campus, the case that was covered in the rolling stone is a particularly egregious one to be sure. you know, as the article pointed out, unfortunately uva is the norm, this is a problem at uva, it's also a problem at colleges around the country, it's frankly a problem in our military, and it's not just the united states. so i would say that there is a culture of violence, it's not peculiar to uva. uva also has a lot of resources to support survivors, to help them report the crime, what's great about this article is that what we have is apparently not enough, so i'm glad that the article has gal vennized such --
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issues. >> lisa in fact as an alumnist, it's interesting and powerful statement, you graduated backed in 2003, i'm curious about your experience and what led you now to create this. crowd-funding site, a facebook page, what motivated all of this, lisa? >> well, when i got home from picking my kids up from school on wednesday, i is that true on facebook. it was a faculty member and he was member and disappointed and enraged and didn't know what to do and so were all of my fellow alums. and i just felt that instead of being mad on social media, we could do something with this anger. and so i posted to some friends, hey, if i set up a fund to help get an attorney for these victims, would anyone donate? and someone said, send me the link, where is it, i guess i have to build a link now. that's how this started. so after i lot of work to do,
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but what we think we're seeing across the country at universities everywhere is that deans aren't equipped to e jud date sexual assault, if you're a dean, you're the dean of both students and your role as judge is different than one's role as advocate. i wanted to start this fund so there was a clear, unbiassed a vo cat specifically for victims of sexual violence who had absolutely know conflict of interest. and i felt that it was an important thing for the alumni to do, a lot feel like our university failed these students, but the university community doesn't have to. maybe we can right this wrong a little bit if we can help the girls get justice. >> and support. that's what we're hearing is an interesting parallel to what we're seeing going on with the bill cosby case of the victims who feel they're not being heard. this is such an interesting thing, susan, i know you were active in organizing the rallies over the weekend, and men and women came out, students and
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faculty, what is it that you're hearing from them that they want to see happen and to see changed? >> well, you're right that we had a rally on saturday night, it was the second rally that day at uva. and we had hundreds of people as you say, it was a faculty rally we realize that we have the victims and the perpetrators in our classes, one of my colleagues is carrying a sign saying we need to unlearn rape. there were faculty from many, many departments and faculty are organizing in other ways and writing letters and formlating their concerns and demands. a key concern is fraternity culture and that's why we were on rug by road on a saturday night. it's not a place that usually find faculty, we steer clear, speeshlly after a home game -- especially after a home game. we're concerned that fraternities dominate social life. we would like to see a
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diversified social life. we don't want to stop the party, but we want to make the party safe for everyone. and the way that things work now, sororities are dry, the parties take place for the most part at fraternities. men actually control the entrance to the party. they evaluate women on their appearance. once women get inside, they are not on their own turf, and this is really a climate for sexualer in days, and you add alcohol -- >> and it makes it worse. uva is not a situation specific to this problem. we know that this is something that sadly we're seeing at campuses and other education facilities across the nation, ladies, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate you standing up for this. lisa richie and professor susan frayman, we appreciate your time today, allison. >> okay, michal la. homeless man wants a special gift. he wants a family to share the holiday with. we'll tell you the incredible lengths he went to to get it
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>> yes. >> it's perfect for the season. check for yourself. here's the good stuff. homeless man from virginia. here's what he wanted for thanksgiving. he wanted a family. he has been down on his luck. living in a shelter for 18 months. his family is all long gone. >> i am lonely, like 365 days a year, but christmas and thanksgiving are like two of the worst days. it would mean the world to me if somebody took me in. just for that one day, you know, couple hours. you know. >> oh. so neil got the idea to post a wanted add on the facebook page of our affiliate, wtkr. he wasn't expecting anything. maybe a response or two, he got dozens from around the country. >> this is another one from wisconsin, another person, new jersey, you're going to have family year round.
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>> okay. >> even new jersey reached out to neil. he had his pick of families. in the end it was first come first serve. he chose listen to this, even more perfect. ashley and cory, a military family. >> wow. >> they say they know what it's like to not have family around on the holidays. >> why didn't you warn us? >> right. i didn't want to. >> you couldn't be warned about it. >> it's a beautiful thing. >> perfect? >> right. come on, i don't get it right that often, amazing. best for neil and his new family. couldn't be better. a lot of news this morning. let's get you spot news room. this time, don't be angry about it. neil was worth it. >> he was worth it, that's an awesome story, thanks so much, have a great day. >> you too. newsroom starts

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